One of my favorite pastimes for years was baiting my many Pats friends with the old, “Tom Brady is a system quarterback”. They always took the cheese and I like to think that’s because there was always a kernel of truth there.
But tbh, even I know now that Tawmy is the GOAT. Or at least among the GOATs. And Hoodie’s a GOAT too. I think they can both be GOATs.
But, in lieu of another Jones is/n’t great/good or even another riveting LW keep him/cut him thread I thought it might be interesting to talk about how much of the Pats dynasty was Brady and how much was Bill?
Prior to this season I’d have said 80% Bill and 20% Tawmy. My reasoning would have been that a lot of top QB would have won with those Hoodie coached Pats teams, and the fact that Hoodie had so much success in NY and yes even in Cleveland. Finally, put Brady on any Jets team and what would he have done?
Now though? At this point in the season? I might say 75% Belichick and 25% Brady.
What do you think?
I don't even think that Cam is "bad" or anything like that, but he seems like the wrong fit for Little Bill. Am I wrong?
Cam may end up as Daniel Jones's backup at the rate he's going...
Newton has been atrocious since returning from COVID.
yes Bill is an amazing coach and who is better than everyone else at game planning and exposing weaknesses but..
Brady is at the same time, just special, especially for the last 3 SB wins. First of all Brady is like having a coach, a really good coach, on the field. Brady does several things as well or better than any QB in history. He is very football smart and knows where to go with the ball as well as any one i have scene. His short passing game was unsurpassed. Hitting Edelman, Welker and others with laser darts and hitting them in stride. Brady was also excellent with mid range passes, even hitting receivers without separation in tough situations, he would place the ball perfectly, as if he was handing it to them. His touch and accuracy is as good as any of the greats and he did it over and over in the highest leverage situations. Brady didn't haev the best arm talent but it was almost always good enough and again with such good touch and accuracy. Brady moved very well in the pocket for a QB with so little mobility. And I think he doesn't get enough credit for making the offense as a whole, work. Helping porous lines gel and getting the most out of WRs who often weren't very good and didn't get great separation. Brady was great and Bill was lucky to have him to execute his offense.
The fact is they are both GOATs. Even before the season started I don't know why folks wanted to try and split credit. As if now with Brady going to a stacked team is evidence that he had more to do with NE's success than BB.
Bill Belichick is the greatest NFL coach of all time and Tom Brady is the greatest NFL QB of all time?
Brady went to possibly the best team in tells NFL, who were lacking a quarterback
The Patriots, lost Brady, 8 starters opted out. It s obviously a rebuild.
I get frustrated with stories and reporting that seemed based only on the present disregarding what has gone before, your post is in that category
Brady and Belichick were the greatest combo of all time but Don t forget Belichick went 11-5 one year in N. E. without Brady.
I also think Belichick will coach another 5 years, let s see how it plays out
Last year Brady had minimal tools, one of the reasons he left, and he could not get it done with no help(WRs).
Finally, after 20 years the Pats come crashing to earth. Remember also they have been picking at the back end of the draft for decades and still got it done.
It was obviously a collaboration. I'd say 65% Bill and 35% Tom being most generous to Tom.
This. The rest of us are fortunate it’s over and the competitive balance is back to the league. For my money I take Rodgers and Peyton first in that generation of QBs, but that type of run doesn’t happen without a great QB in place.
Put your own spin on it but Belichick % is above 50% and less than 100%.
He joined a 7-9 team who missed the playoffs for the 12th straight time. Let’s not act like this was Durant joining GSW.
It’s more Brady. I have always said it. Belichek was nothing before Brady. Loser on the Browns and his Patriots looked horrible at 0-2 before Brady came in for Bledsoe. Not saying BB isn’t a HoF coach. He’s still the best ever. I would bet more money on Brady winning SBs with worse HCs than BB winning SBs with worse QBs.
And NE's problems go much deeper than losing a GOAT at QB. They lost 7 starters from last year's defense. That is hard for anyone, even a defensive mastermind like BB, to make up.
That said, if TB wins a SB with Brady at QB, he has to be the GOAT. And it's not a long shot for that to happen, they may be the most complete team in the NFL.
I mean there were NOBODY around the guys for 10 yards when they caught the ball. Running plays as well. After the ball carrier got around the edge, he had at least 7 yards of open field before being touched.
Also, their red zone offense was ridiculous. They always seem to get 7 points. The classic Gronk 7-10 yard in route, defender bounces off of him because he's frickin huge, then turns to the outside where the ball is placed where only he can get it.
They also mastered the art of the legal (maybe) pick on their receiving routes.
No disrespect to Brady, but like we all said, it was chess vs. checkers out there.
You think Billy boy wouldn't be on his way to another 15-1 or 16-0 season if they kept Brady and added that WR corps?
The two work well together but Tom wants to go out in fashion, which he's able to do by calling all the shots in Tampa. I get it.
Newton has been atrocious since returning from COVID.
There is talk of "being in a fog" post Covid and I wonder of Cam is going through that. He has looked dreadful.
I agree with this.
They are both the GOATs and paired together got them 6 rings. To me, the main narrative for years was always Brady was a system QB and you can put a garbage can under center in NE and they would still play well and win.
A ridiculous statement and one that has now been debunked.
Brady does look good. Let's see if he can keep it up as the weather turns and fatigue sets in. I think where it will be clear how important Bill is Playoff time. Arians is not close to Bill here so let's see if Brady can overcome that.
It was always a joke when people said Belichick "made" Brady or that Brady was a system QB. I think Brady is possibly the best short-intermediate passer in NFL history. Yet somehow being really good at throwing short-intermediate passes makes you a system QB. Brady's velocity and accuracy in the intermediate game has always been spectacular, he throws absolute bullets that are perfectly located. That skill allowed Brady to succeed with mediocre WR talent for a big portion of his career, where he turned little slot guys into superstars. Brady being able to carry such a big load is a big reason why Belichick was able to get creative and allocate more resources to the defense and other areas of the team.
Both guys are GOAT-tier and Brady definitely played a bigger role in New England's success than A LOT of people think. It wasn't all about Belichick being a genius.
He joined a 7-9 team who missed the playoffs for the 12th straight time. Let’s not act like this was Durant joining GSW.
It’s more Brady. I have always said it. Belichek was nothing before Brady. Loser on the Browns and his Patriots looked horrible at 0-2 before Brady came in for Bledsoe. Not saying BB isn’t a HoF coach. He’s still the best ever. I would bet more money on Brady winning SBs with worse HCs than BB winning SBs with worse QBs.
They were 7-9 largely because their QB kept throwing it to the wrong jersey. Brady knew what he was doing, and that TB was a solid QB away from being a SB contender.
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it doesn't happen without both. Brady joined a pretty good Bucs team, with additional proven vets following him. Not an apples to oranges comp.
He joined a 7-9 team who missed the playoffs for the 12th straight time. Let’s not act like this was Durant joining GSW.
It’s more Brady. I have always said it. Belichek was nothing before Brady. Loser on the Browns and his Patriots looked horrible at 0-2 before Brady came in for Bledsoe. Not saying BB isn’t a HoF coach. He’s still the best ever. I would bet more money on Brady winning SBs with worse HCs than BB winning SBs with worse QBs.
Again that offense was 3rd in points scored last year with a terrible defense. So there’s no doubt TB is a better QB than JW and Fitz, but they still produced on offense before TB arrived.
Half the NE defense opted out due to covid so I don't think you are getting good comps for this year.
Half the NE defense opted out due to covid so I don't think you are getting good comps for this year.
We can play hypotheticals all day.
Fact of the matter is, NE is off to its worst start ever compared to the Brady era and the NE QBs have 3TDs and 11INTs.
The Defense isn’t good but maybe it looks way worse than it should be their QBs are either TOing the ball or are going 3 and out constantly?
That’s not to say TB12 isn’t great. Just that a lot of top tier QB1s would also thrive under the mastery of Belichick. I suppose something needs to said for Kraft too.
Hoodie 74% Tawmy 25% and Rub n Tuggy Kraft 1% for being smat enough to stay out of the way.