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Will a new GM look to trade Barkley?

GGGGmen : 10/28/2020 11:18 am
Assuming this will be the final year of the Dave Gettleman era is it fair to think a new GM will sell Saquon to the highest bidder and get more draft picks for a rebuild?

I know it sucks but this roster is in need of a lot of talent and the only way that happens is hitting on picks. I think paying Barkley a huge contract after next season is not going to help this franchise long term.

What are we thinking? Have we seen Saquons last game in blue?

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no  
pjcas18 : 10/28/2020 11:23 am : link
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After 2021  
Go Terps : 10/28/2020 11:24 am : link
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this offseason?  
giants#1 : 10/28/2020 11:25 am : link
If so, we hired the wrong GM since Barkley's value can't get any lower.
When his value is lowest, definitely not.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/28/2020 11:26 am : link
But so much to see when he gets back. Will he look the same?

I think they keep him but I'd say it's doubtful he gets a 2nd contract unless he goes ballistic. Likely he will be replaced with a cheaper option.
No way Barkley gets traded UNLESS he starts the year  
SGMen : 10/28/2020 11:38 am : link
with say four straight 100 yard, high end performance games, and gets traded to a contender. I don't see him being traded at all though.
he's injured  
Producer : 10/28/2020 11:46 am : link
he's not getting traded, if at all, until he proves he is back.
Barkley is now on a 1yr prove it deal  
averagejoe : 10/28/2020 11:49 am : link
If he does not come back strong next year he will be traded rather than resigned.
RE: No way Barkley gets traded UNLESS he starts the year  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 15027177 SGMen said:
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with say four straight 100 yard, high end performance games, and gets traded to a contender. I don't see him being traded at all though.
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Wouldn't the Giants be a contender if he did that?
the new GM will look to trade anyone  
UConn4523 : 10/28/2020 11:51 am : link
IMO. But Barkley wouldn't happen until after he comes back - what's the point of trying to trade him beforehand?
Barkley is the marquise player for the Giants  
Fishmanjim57 : 10/28/2020 11:53 am : link
He is the only reason why the lowly Giants have been scheduled to play on Monday Night Football and Thursday Night Football this season.
Aside from him this is a starless team.
The Giants organisation will not bail on him due to that horrible injury, so I doubt he'll be traded.....ever.
Given his knee  
JonC : 10/28/2020 11:53 am : link
you're probably 18 months too early with the question.
This is tricky...  
bw in dc : 10/28/2020 11:53 am : link
because you don't know if Barkley has seen his better days after he recovers from the injury.

I would float some trial balloons right now to see if there is any interest. And if you get someone to bite with a reasonable offer - not sure what that is, btw - then you pull that trigger.

If he's mostly recovered and is back to at least 95% of SB, circa 2018, then you unload him in 2021 - like Terps said.

But there is risk in the unknown and what the rebuilt SB is going to look like...

What is playing against him is that there a lot of teams who view the position like many of us do here: RBs grow on trees. So why give up picks/cash when you can just walk over to the nearby RB Store and find a few...
RE: When his value is lowest, definitely not.  
Dnew15 : 10/28/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 15027161 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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But so much to see when he gets back. Will he look the same?

I think they keep him but I'd say it's doubtful he gets a 2nd contract unless he goes ballistic. Likely he will be replaced with a cheaper option.


His value can absolutely get lower - there's a chance (I don't think it's a good chance) but there's a chance he's not anywhere near the same explosive player he was prior to the injury.

In that line of thinking -his value may actually never be higher than it is now.
The only GM who might trade for SB now  
JonC : 10/28/2020 11:59 am : link
is our GM.
RE: The only GM who might trade for SB now  
bw in dc : 10/28/2020 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15027207 JonC said:
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is our GM.


Now that's a plan.

Fire Gettleman now. Hope Atlanta hires Gettleman. And off to the ATL SB goes... ;)
I doubt it. A new GM will excercise the 5th year tender  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/28/2020 12:02 pm : link
...and based on how he plays this year and next they will look to extend him or maybe not.
RE: I doubt it. A new GM will excercise the 5th year tender  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/28/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15027210 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...and based on how he plays this year and next they will look to extend him or maybe not.


Ha, meant next year and the year after. I guess subconsciously I've moved on from this year....
RE: The only GM who might trade for SB now  
Dnew15 : 10/28/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15027207 JonC said:
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is our GM.


hahahahah - that's probably a fact.
probably not getting a new GM  
bc4life : 10/28/2020 12:07 pm : link
and why does everyone want to trade the few plus+plus players we have?
Some think spending on UFAs or trading for shiny will save this roster  
JonC : 10/28/2020 12:10 pm : link
some think it's trading everyone and the kitchen sink.

Truth lies somewhere in the middle.
In the past  
ghost718 : 10/28/2020 12:12 pm : link
Only if a player forced the issue,would the Giants trade someone like Barkley.They paid Beckham and ignored all the warning signs.

With that said,who knows what's going with Saquon,he might be more celebrity than football player these days.
No, because right now Barkley's value is at its lowest  
montanagiant : 10/28/2020 12:14 pm : link
If it were to happen it would be after next season when he has had a full season to showcase
Ownership  
AdamBrag : 10/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
will likely look for a GM that tells them Barkley is a vital piece of the team moving forward, assuming he's healthy. I don't think ownership is going to hire someone who tells them they have made a bunch of mistakes.
RE: Barkley is the marquise player for the Giants  
Black_Flag : 10/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15027195 Fishmanjim57 said:
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He is the only reason why the lowly Giants have been scheduled to play on Monday Night Football and Thursday Night Football this season.
Aside from him this is a starless team.
The Giants organisation will not bail on him due to that horrible injury, so I doubt he'll be traded.....ever.


What kind of response is that?

You know the Packers, Patriots, Seahawks, and Chiefs can't play every Monday night.

yes not doing anything like setting ego aside and own up to mistakes and instead double down on them is a Giants thing to do. By the looks of things the Jets will be the #1 franchise in NY again soon. (and for many years to come.)
one question I don't know answer to....  
bc4life : 10/28/2020 12:24 pm : link
raised by a few on the site already - do we have the best OL coach available?

I don't know the answer - but, the correct answer is a key to expediting progress moving forward.
RE: Barkley is the marquise player for the Giants  
BMac : 10/28/2020 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15027195 Fishmanjim57 said:
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He is the only reason why the lowly Giants have been scheduled to play on Monday Night Football and Thursday Night Football this season.
Aside from him this is a starless team.
The Giants organisation will not bail on him due to that horrible injury, so I doubt he'll be traded.....ever.


marquee
RE: Some think spending on UFAs or trading for shiny will save this roster  
UConn4523 : 10/28/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15027221 JonC said:
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some think it's trading everyone and the kitchen sink.

Truth lies somewhere in the middle.


I agree. And timing is everything especially when buying/selling.
Could they cut him  
Black_Flag : 10/28/2020 12:28 pm : link
And free up that money toward the cap. They won't anyway. They'll just pretend they can still win w/ these guys and so will everyone else. Despite all evidence to the contrary.
RE: Could they cut him  
JonC : 10/28/2020 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15027244 Black_Flag said:
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And free up that money toward the cap. They won't anyway. They'll just pretend they can still win w/ these guys and so will everyone else. Despite all evidence to the contrary.


You're an angry dude.
I've looked at Spotrac & UFAs  
bc4life : 10/28/2020 12:33 pm : link
I'm thinking the answer lies in upgrading LB corps re: pass rushers in the draft (Rousseau?). That and some wr talent. That's going to happen in the draft. That and making a decision about Tomlinson or Williams.

But, the OL is a bit of a puzzle to me - especially in light of some recent critiques of Thomas' development.
RE: No, because right now Barkley's value is at its lowest  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15027228 montanagiant said:
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If it were to happen it would be after next season when he has had a full season to showcase


This is what should happen. Also, look for a RB to be drafted as well around Rd 3.

Just need a decent GM to arrange both.

RE: I've looked at Spotrac & UFAs  
JonC : 10/28/2020 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15027250 bc4life said:
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I'm thinking the answer lies in upgrading LB corps re: pass rushers in the draft (Rousseau?). That and some wr talent. That's going to happen in the draft. That and making a decision about Tomlinson or Williams.

But, the OL is a bit of a puzzle to me - especially in light of some recent critiques of Thomas' development.


bc, I agree with your strategy, I'm looking ER at the top and need at least one WR from early in the draft. Given how young the roster is, I'd think they pick up another OL or two. Plus, prospects to push the OGs, a C, and DB depth.

The 2020 draft shows how difficult it can be to find difference makers at LB.
RE: Some think spending on UFAs or trading for shiny will save this roster  
AcidTest : 10/28/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15027221 JonC said:
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some think it's trading everyone and the kitchen sink.

Truth lies somewhere in the middle.


^This.
RE: RE: No, because right now Barkley's value is at its lowest  
bw in dc : 10/28/2020 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15027252 LBH15 said:
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In comment 15027228 montanagiant said:


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If it were to happen it would be after next season when he has had a full season to showcase



This is what should happen. Also, look for a RB to be drafted as well around Rd 3.

Just need a decent GM to arrange both.


As is our wont, we still need a lot. And only having five picks isn't going to getting us closer to solving that "a lot" problem.

That's why we need to have a clearance sale...
RE: RE: I've looked at Spotrac & UFAs  
JonC : 10/28/2020 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15027264 JonC said:
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In comment 15027250 bc4life said:


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I'm thinking the answer lies in upgrading LB corps re: pass rushers in the draft (Rousseau?). That and some wr talent. That's going to happen in the draft. That and making a decision about Tomlinson or Williams.

But, the OL is a bit of a puzzle to me - especially in light of some recent critiques of Thomas' development.



bc, I agree with your strategy, I'm looking ER at the top and need at least one WR from early in the draft. Given how young the roster is, I'd think they pick up another OL or two. Plus, prospects to push the OGs, a C, and DB depth.

The 2020 draft shows how difficult it can be to find difference makers at LB.



... OL prospects to push the OGs, a C ...
RE: Barkley is the marquise player for the Giants  
GeofromNJ : 10/28/2020 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15027195 Fishmanjim57 said:
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He is the only reason why the lowly Giants have been scheduled to play on Monday Night Football and Thursday Night Football this season.
Aside from him this is a starless team.
The Giants organisation will not bail on him due to that horrible injury, so I doubt he'll be traded.....ever.

I was wondering why the NFL schedulers opted to showcase the Giants twice this year.
We couldn't  
PaulN : 10/28/2020 1:07 pm : link
Get a football for him right now.
We are void of talent  
UberAlias : 10/28/2020 1:09 pm : link
Barkley is the only guy on either side of the ball that opponents worry about. Selling him especially at this point when his stock is lowest would be foolish.
..  
ryanmkeane : 10/28/2020 1:13 pm : link
extremely funny to me how half of BBI has already bailed on Saquon Barkley. You guys are out of your minds.
We'll be lucky if we get any value out of him at all and none  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/28/2020 1:14 pm : link
of it will be from a trade. He's a RB coming back from a major knee injury. I doubt he'll be all the way back until late in the year next year or 2022. He may never get back to what he was. Around the same time, I think the Giants will need to decide whether they should offer him an extension or let him play out the last year of his deal. Not ideal timing.
RE: ..  
JonC : 10/28/2020 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15027304 ryanmkeane said:
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extremely funny to me how half of BBI has already bailed on Saquon Barkley. You guys are out of your minds.


Well, those who prescribe to the don't use premium assets on a tailback aren't going away on this one. Extending his contract after he's healthy will extend their frustration.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 10/28/2020 1:22 pm : link
my one issue with their sentiment is we've seen what Barkley can do. He's a game changing player if we've gotten this OL and QB right for 2021.
I'm good with SB  
JonC : 10/28/2020 1:25 pm : link
the talent is obvious and I want to see him as the motor behind a solid OL and receiving weapons.
RE: RE: Could they cut him  
Now Mike in MD : 10/28/2020 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15027246 JonC said:
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In comment 15027244 Black_Flag said:


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And free up that money toward the cap. They won't anyway. They'll just pretend they can still win w/ these guys and so will everyone else. Despite all evidence to the contrary.



You're an angry dude.


You forgot irretrievably stupid
If SB had the holes that  
Now Mike in MD : 10/28/2020 1:34 pm : link
Gallman had against the eagles and washington, he'd probably have taken a couple for 30 plus yards
RE: I'm good with SB  
Sean : 10/28/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15027319 JonC said:
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the talent is obvious and I want to see him as the motor behind a solid OL and receiving weapons.


Yup. Regardless of your opinion if the pick itself, he’s still going to be here. And I’d be shocked if he didn’t get a second contract too. Teams don’t take a RB at #2 and then not pay him. That decision is made clear by drafting him at #2.
RE: RE: RE: No, because right now Barkley's value is at its lowest  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15027280 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15027252 LBH15 said:


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In comment 15027228 montanagiant said:


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If it were to happen it would be after next season when he has had a full season to showcase



This is what should happen. Also, look for a RB to be drafted as well around Rd 3.

Just need a decent GM to arrange both.




As is our wont, we still need a lot. And only having five picks isn't going to getting us closer to solving that "a lot" problem.

That's why we need to have a clearance sale...


Should be dealing away (almost) anybody. Have no idea what they are waiting on.

Smells like a GM acting like a desperate moron yet again.
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LBH15 : 10/28/2020 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15027310 JonC said:
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In comment 15027304 ryanmkeane said:


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extremely funny to me how half of BBI has already bailed on Saquon Barkley. You guys are out of your minds.



Well, those who prescribe to the don't use premium assets on a tailback aren't going away on this one. Extending his contract after he's healthy will extend their frustration.


Ya' think?
RE: ..  
BH28 : 10/28/2020 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15027304 ryanmkeane said:
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extremely funny to me how half of BBI has already bailed on Saquon Barkley. You guys are out of your minds.


It was never about the talent. If there is no such thing as a salary cap, it's a no brainer pick. But RB is so de-valued over the years that barkley was instantly one of the top 5 paid RBs in the league upon being drafted.

We have seen what he can do, we have also seen what he can't do behind a shit offesnive line. The challenge with a RB is that they need a line to be succesful where if you spend top 5 picks on DE, CB, LB, these positions are more naturally set-up where the player by themselves can have an impact without supporting pieces.

Teams that have good lines or offesnive philosophies have taken a plug and play appraoch at RB which allows them spend resources elsewhere which has a better net effect on making the team better.

I would love to see what Barkely can do with the talent that Zeke had around him a few years ago, but you have to ask yourself, does giving Barkely a big second contract help the team as much if those dollars can be used for other positions and we have a lesser talent at RB. Is the sum of the parts greater than the individual RB drop-off? That's what it has always been about.
RE: Jon  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15027316 ryanmkeane said:
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my one issue with their sentiment is we've seen what Barkley can do. He's a game changing player if we've gotten this OL and QB right for 2021.


Right, Saquon is a game-changer. Just need the QB to play better, several new pieces on the OLO, a TE that can catch and some younger receivers.

Anything else on the offense needed to help Barkley show his game changing ability in your view?
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