Marc Colomobo agrees with Sy regarding Nick Gates

Paul Schwartz
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Giants offensive line coach Marc Colombo on Andrew Thomas: “Everything with Andrew is a timing issue. He’s working really hard to get this right.”

Gates is our best OL right now?

but feel like he is doing a solid job at center. That said, it was depressing that in one of the other threads I believe it was mentioned that he is the 31st or 33rd rated Center in the league? I thought he was better than that.

Ryan Dunleavy
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#Giants OL coach Marc Colombo: We are going to take this head on. And you are going to see a much more consistent Andrew Thomas down the stretch."

people shitting on the contract he gave him, which I thought at the time was low risk high reward.

In comment 15027278 Zeke's Alibi said:

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people shitting on the contract he gave him, which I thought at the time was low risk high reward.

So maybe Gettleman got one right?

Skill or even the "blind squirrel finding a nut" theory? ;)

In comment 15027284 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15027278 Zeke's Alibi said: Quote: people shitting on the contract he gave him, which I thought at the time was low risk high reward. So maybe Gettleman got one right? Skill or even the "blind squirrel finding a nut" theory? ;)

I am still being more careful. All of the OL he drafted this year might end up being good and Gates is actually encouraging. DJ is not a lost cause yet. Leave room to be wrong. If the OL looks solid by year's end DJ has some big games. DG might be staying with Judge. I know in this instant, DG looks really bad. I agree. Wait the year and be certain.

it's becoming evident that Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemieux-Peart is what they envision for 2021.

This would be a huge win for the team. Especially since he can play multiple positions and his salary is low

a guy that will lock down the position. His positive moments seem to increase each game.

In comment 15027302 ryanmkeane said:

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it's becoming evident that Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemieux-Peart is what they envision for 2021.

1) they'd have 1 of the most cost effective starting OL's in the entire league for a few years (huge asset if the OL performs well).

2) they'd be well served to give these guys at least 5 games or so to start building chemistry this year. Or to possibly see if there's a problem with the plan (Lemiuex could look amazing or terrible, who knows)

yup, I'm guessing that a Zeitler trade will happen

In comment 15027302 ryanmkeane said:

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it's becoming evident that Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemieux-Peart is what they envision for 2021.

Let’s hope it plays out this way ... but both Hernandez and Lemieux have historically played on the left side ... someone will be on a learning curve.

a great find.

Dan Duggan
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Colombo is very high on Nick Gates. Said Gates played his best game against the Eagles and is playing at a high level right now. Colombo notes Gates' combination of nastiness and smarts.

Dan Duggan
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Colombo said Shane Lemieux was a little bit out of control with his footwork early on because he was being too aggressive. "He's tough, he wanted to get out there and fight everyone." Colombo is seeing more patience now in practice. Sounds like they'll mix him in like Peart.

Dan Duggan
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Marc Colombo continues to be optimistic about Andrew Thomas' long-term prospects while not ignoring the obvious struggles right now. Colombo said consistency and taking technique from practice to games are the biggest issues. Colombo said it's his job to simplify things.

Dan Duggan
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Colombo says Thomas needs to fight through this. No plans to sit him down. Colombo said it would only be necessary to sit a rookie if he dwelled on mistakes and wasn't up for the challenge. Said that's not the case with Thomas.

...but he has shown steady improvement each week. It's one of the few bright spots this season.

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Not sure if the coach from Nebraska is still on the Giants staff but he was the one who highlighted him.

I think Thomas comes around. Liking that Lemieux just wanted to fight and hopefully he works himself into the line up with Peart.

Slow process but pieces maybe on the team. That said they better add at least two more OL next offseason through the draft. Competition and depth. This unit is the single biggest unit for the Giants fortunes the last decade.

In comment 15027350 Eric from BBI said:

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Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 22m Marc Colombo continues to be optimistic about Andrew Thomas' long-term prospects while not ignoring the obvious struggles right now. Colombo said consistency and taking technique from practice to games are the biggest issues. Colombo said it's his job to simplify things. Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 22m Colombo says Thomas needs to fight through this. No plans to sit him down. Colombo said it would only be necessary to sit a rookie if he dwelled on mistakes and wasn't up for the challenge. Said that's not the case with Thomas.

Do it again, reps, reps, reps!

In comment 15027273 bw in dc said:

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Gates is our best OL right now?

Not sure if he said that or not but our best lineman this season has been zeitler and it isn’t close. Gates has looked better the previous 2 weeks. I was impressed how he handled the interior of the eagles defense. I think his worst game of the year may have been the Dallas game.

In comment 15027302 ryanmkeane said:

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it's becoming evident that Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemieux-Peart is what they envision for 2021.

^^^^^This it seems.

Less obvious, perhaps, is that the strength of this OL will likely be run blocking.

Hernandez LG
Gates C
Lemieux RG
Thomas RT

I wonder if we ever see this OL combination this season...

In comment 15027349 Eric from BBI said:

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Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 20m Colombo is very high on Nick Gates. Said Gates played his best game against the Eagles and is playing at a high level right now. Colombo notes Gates' combination of nastiness and smarts. Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 20m Colombo said Shane Lemieux was a little bit out of control with his footwork early on because he was being too aggressive. "He's tough, he wanted to get out there and fight everyone." Colombo is seeing more patience now in practice. Sounds like they'll mix him in like Peart.

I hope I’m not irrationally projecting too many Seubert vibes onto Lemieux ... dear god, it’d be amazing if they got three OL in one draft.

In comment 15027392 Jim from Katonah said:

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In comment 15027349 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 20m Colombo is very high on Nick Gates. Said Gates played his best game against the Eagles and is playing at a high level right now. Colombo notes Gates' combination of nastiness and smarts. Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 20m Colombo said Shane Lemieux was a little bit out of control with his footwork early on because he was being too aggressive. "He's tough, he wanted to get out there and fight everyone." Colombo is seeing more patience now in practice. Sounds like they'll mix him in like Peart. I hope I’m not irrationally projecting too many Seubert vibes onto Lemieux ... dear god, it’d be amazing if they got three OL in one draft.

At this point, it'd be nice to know we got one legit starting OL from the draft...

be closer to reflecting reality. Likely because it's pretty easy to tabulate pressures, sacks, and penalties against an OL. Certainly much easier than grading how good of a move a RB makes in the open field or how good of a decision a QB made when they don't know what routes were supposed to be run, etc.

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PFF NY Giants @PFF_Giants Gates had his highest graded game of the season last week with an 84 pass block grade after not allowing a pressure on 39 pb snaps.

The reports sound just like they did with Flowers...

In comment 15027395 90.Cal said:

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The reports sound just like they did with Flowers...

Right now he looks like Flowers, but the reports about his work ethic and how he handles coaching are diametrically opposed.

In comment 15027395 90.Cal said:

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The reports sound just like they did with Flowers...

Flowers was boxy, had bad footwork and no technique.

Thomas has good footwork and is a better athlete, it seems like he is getting fooled, so I am not as worried.

In comment 15027278 Zeke's Alibi said:

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people shitting on the contract he gave him, which I thought at the time was low risk high reward.

See this is where fans that say rush to bet on the Giants to win the NFC East in the offseason and are falling over themselves to compliment the Giants miss.

If you look at the thread about signing the extension it was talked about as early to sign a player and people just refused to call it a slam dunk move, slam dunk moves are rare and the message was at LEAST wait until we know the terms to have the "slam dunk" conversation. It's funny, in general when it comes to areas where the Giants look like they've screwed up it's always a seeming endless amount of patience IE Andrew Thomas being pretty much the worst T in the league is "don't jump to conclusions" here you are talking about the development of Gates as a done deal great move.

Gates has had a few good games, and some bad games to start the season. It's certainly looking like a good move right now but it doesn't mean the Giants haven't more often than not been wrong in almost all of recent memory so being skeptical of them is certainly fair.

You don't even see how insane it is to declare this a victory while in the same breath wanting to pretty much ignore the horrendous start Thomas has had but that's par for the course for your ilk.

First, I doubt we can unload Zeitler due to his contract UNLESS a team is really, really hurting on the OL and has the money. I just don't see us trading him as no one wants that kind of contract.

If the OL is Peart-Hernandez-Gates-Lemiuex-Thomas or those five in some order for late 2020 and for 2021 and we know they can handle those spots (no OJT in real games...) then our offense can step up quickly.

during the giants season. Right now they are sitting at 18-1. Doesn’t take a math genius to say at this point in time I’m still getting value there. I didn’t bet on the Giants because they are good, I bet them because the division sucks and if it’s not the Boys and something happens there, why can’t it be us? Which is actually still playing itself out if you haven’t paid attention. Jesus Christ - great jab bro

of your general lack of realistic thinking around the team.

As completely mischaracterized the opposition to Gates because you were too busy throwing the victory parade on his contract. But that's what you do...

negative regression does about a player. It says they belong, especially when you consider the caliber of player Gates has been going against recently. Listen this team isn't good, DG hasn't done good, but you guys are like Pavlonian dogs. You hear his name and go apoplectic about anything he does, its nuts. There were definitely people on that thread that subscribe to that. Literally trashed the move as he hasn't proven anything. It's about getting ahead of the curve, was it a gamble? Sure, but need to give someone credit when its due. It was a low risk gamble for small money because the worst thing is he shows what he's showing and then someone blows him away with an offer in FA. THat isn't going to happen now, and will have a lot more tape to evaluate for a long term deal.

one position on the OL appears to be fixed, and then a hole opens up elsewhere.

Sign Solder, long term fix at LT. He falls apart.
Hernandez looks good as a rookie, still hasn't played as good as his first season.
Trade for Zeitler, long term fix at Right Guard. He looks like a fading starter.
Maybe Gates reverses the pattern.

I think he’s struggling to adjust to the speed and strength of NFL game which shouldn’t exactly be shocking

In comment 15027461 NoGainDayne said:

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of your general lack of realistic thinking around the team. As completely mischaracterized the opposition to Gates because you were too busy throwing the victory parade on his contract. But that's what you do...

So betting on the Giants at 20-1 and 40-1 and getting better value for it today is now unrealistic expectations of the team? I think you have an unrealistic expectation of the teams, you make it seem like we are on the Jets level right now or worse. There's the Jets and then theres a bucket of like 10 bad teams that we are currently in which the rest of the NFC East currently resides without Dak. GTFOH

In comment 15027384 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 15027273 bw in dc said: Quote: Gates is our best OL right now? Not sure if he said that or not but our best lineman this season has been zeitler and it isn’t close. Gates has looked better the previous 2 weeks. I was impressed how he handled the interior of the eagles defense. I think his worst game of the year may have been the Dallas game.

Zeitler? Okay...but I think he's on fumes.

we are a lot closer to the Jets than a division winner...

In comment 15027276 Eric from BBI said:

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Ryan Dunleavy @rydunleavy · 14m #Giants OL coach Marc Colombo: We are going to take this head on. And you are going to see a much more consistent Andrew Thomas down the stretch."

Probably not the best choice of words by Mark. I think we have seen "consistent" play from Thomas; its just been consistently bad.

In comment 15027392 Jim from Katonah said:

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In comment 15027349 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 20m Colombo is very high on Nick Gates. Said Gates played his best game against the Eagles and is playing at a high level right now. Colombo notes Gates' combination of nastiness and smarts. Dan Duggan @DDuggan21 · 20m Colombo said Shane Lemieux was a little bit out of control with his footwork early on because he was being too aggressive. "He's tough, he wanted to get out there and fight everyone." Colombo is seeing more patience now in practice. Sounds like they'll mix him in like Peart. I hope I’m not irrationally projecting too many Seubert vibes onto Lemieux ... dear god, it’d be amazing if they got three OL in one draft.

Nope, the fire DG crowd won't stand for it.

that are overly optimistic in these situations, but there are also the Terps brigade ("ilk") that won't allow anything positive to be uttered ever.

In comment 15027563 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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that are overly optimistic in these situations, but there are also the Terps brigade ("ilk") that won't allow anything positive to be uttered ever.

See what I don't think you grasp is that the pollyanna crowd could all read from the same script. You are bunching a bunch of people who think independently of the group as one "ilk" on another thread with DJ two pretty outspoken voices (Terps, bw and I) all have differences in opinion on what to do about the QB position. On the other side there is one blobby opinion of giving him more time and surrounding him with more talent because we've seen enough to know he's the QB of the future.

I think you are confusing and conflating legitimate critiques of a questionable regime as the same opinion.

... until he gets IR’d on Monday.

Coaches are all still in the outdoor shed smoking that weed and the weed gets better each time in. Your talking about a guy who is at this point our best offensive lineman and he’s never played the position before these last seven games. Let’s not make to much of that because he’s close to the bottom of the league ranks for his position but it’s a good thing.

They are going to fix Thomas by taking it head on looking at him during these games he has no reason to be on the field of play they are destroying whatever little bit of confidence he once had. He may be the 4th pick in the draft but he’s playing like he’s never played that position before also. The rest of our linemen are playing the weekly I can be worse than you let me show you my skills. It’s seven weeks in and the starting five is the same and the production continues to decline however that’s a good thing.

These coaches are wasting time having interviews they should all decline simple fact I need to go coach my players were really loosing ground no time to waste. This is the entire team not just the OL it’s way past time to admit either I’m not a good coach or these players need a rude awakening.

Should be insulted to be confused with Thomas yes he had flaws but he never looked this hopeless at this point of his career.

Will this team really continue to overrate their players and not admit complete changes are needed going forward because these guys are not NFL worthy.

In comment 15027905 Dragon said:

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Should be insulted to be confused with Thomas yes he had flaws but he never looked this hopeless at this point of his career. Will this team really continue to overrate their players and not admit complete changes are needed going forward because these guys are not NFL worthy.

Im really hoping Giants can get Penei Sewell at LT and have Thomas have a whole offseason of practice to move him to RT...should have a solid duo

during the 2020 draft, investing in OL for this season and beyond, Peart and Lemieux seemed like 2021 starters and let's see if they can show something this year. It seems like Peart was competent out there when he's had the opportunities.

I think they knew Gates was a solid option but they weren't sure how he would pan out at Center. Jury is still out but he's looking like the answer there. Peart would be a steal at the pick they got him if he can be the answer at RT.

Thomas really has to be good for this to have worked.

In comment 15027563 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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that are overly optimistic in these situations, but there are also the Terps brigade ("ilk") that won't allow anything positive to be uttered ever.

I've said positive things about this team; the amount of positive things I've said correlates more or less to the amount of wins they've produced - so I can understand that those positive comments may be difficult to find.

Some fans don't want to embrace reality, prefer to live in a fantasy land from Monday to Saturday, and then get slapped by reality on Sunday. I'm not in that group.