Not sure how much stock you put into Jordan Raanan confirming something, but per twitter ( I don’t listen to his podcast), confirms at the very least a discussion was had.
Unless Giants are trading their own expiring players straight up, i don’t see this rebuilding team trading for a future high priced WR. Zero chance any picks should be involved and much like LW last year, why give up assets for someone you can pay in FA. i can only see this happening if A) Lions have no intention of paying Kenny and B) Ironically, LW would have to be involved..or maybe Zeitler/Peppers or other players whose names have popped up in rumors.
It may be worth it to get a top WR for a few years, if you know what the contract will be. The problem with the LW trade is that it didn't come with a pre-arranged deal in place, and the Giants way overpaid for the tag, and the right to negotiate again with a guy who wants more than the Giants thought they would have to pay. You don't want that situation again with KG.
IF the pick (s) you give up AND the contract price is worth it, then go for it. As LW showed, trading just for the right of first negotiation is highly questionable.
He missed two games this year already with a hamstring. He missed 5 games his rookie year with a hamstring.
What if the edger rushers aren’t good? This is how you wind up with Cedric Jones.
It may be worth it to get a top WR for a few years, if you know what the contract will be. The problem with the LW trade is that it didn't come with a pre-arranged deal in place, and the Giants way overpaid for the tag, and the right to negotiate again with a guy who wants more than the Giants thought they would have to pay. You don't want that situation again with KG.
IF the pick (s) you give up AND the contract price is worth it, then go for it. As LW showed, trading just for the right of first negotiation is highly questionable.
Well said.
I recall very clearly how many at BBI said Gettleman would not have made the LW deal without some "gentleman's agreement" in place. And getting to a signed contract was going to be a mere formality since Gettleman was smart enough to flesh out the contract beforehand...
Gettleman...there is no substitute.
You have to offer a contract that beats the lure of Free Agency. His agent wouldn't be doing a good job if he advised him otherwise.
However, at the end of day, I think the Lions will.
It's rare a talent like KG becomes available at the age of 27.
This is the mystery behind the Sith!
Would you not do it for a 4th or 5th round pick? Or, as others have floated, a player (LW maybe) for player swap?
I said the same thing last April in the second round, specifically targeting Pittman Jr or Claypool. Woulda worked out well.
That's all you're getting guaranteed in the deal: the right to have Golladay for the remainder of 2020-21 and then the right to tag Golladay and have his services for 2021-22, and no further, for upwards of $18 million.
As noted above, he's not signing an extension when he's scheduled to become a UFA.
Detroit has a real chance to qualify for the playoffs. And it's probably a safe bet that Patricia and/or Quinn are on some thin ice. So they need to capitalize on this opportunity. Which means they are more likely buyers and not sellers (e.g. Golloday) before the deadline...
Golladay is an enormous talent and is very much in the mix of #1 WRs. I don't think you've seen enough of him. Having said that, I agree with bw that Detroit won't deal him. He's a foundational talent.
Turn those machines back on!! Selllll!!!
We traded JPP for BJ Hill (69th overall)...
We traded Ashtyn Davis (68th overall) for Leonard Williams...
Those trades of good players for mid round (3rd round) draft picks seem devastating to a rebuilding team in need of draft capital but hardly ever really are... I say do it even if it costs us a 3... everyone bitching about the LW trade is unreal... like that pick would have made this team better than LW? Insane. Give me KG for our 3rd round pick. Give me Sewell in round 1 defense in round 2 and let’s sign an Edge that makes it to the FA market
Tolerating those mistakes is tough to swallow, it suggests a considerable blind spot.
It's also not just about 2020, that's what a big chunk of BBI consistently fails to grasp.
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mentioned this last week.
I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?
Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.
Considering Golladay IS AN IMPENDING FREE AGENT, you can roll the fucking dice that you absolutely can get this same WR in FA. And if you can't, it will be because he wanted to sign somewhere else, which will also be the case if he was our FA instead of Detroit's.
It's insane.
Tolerating those mistakes is tough to swallow, it suggests a considerable blind spot.
It's also not just about 2020, that's what a big chunk of BBI consistently fails to grasp.
I hated that trade so much and I actually love Williams the player.
A third and a fifth. Those call option picks on cheap contracts are much needed.
If they'd gotten the extension done, I think alot of the handwringing would've subsided.
I'm working on it
That's all you're getting guaranteed in the deal: the right to have Golladay for the remainder of 2020-21 and then the right to tag Golladay and have his services for 2021-22, and no further, for upwards of $18 million.
As noted above, he's not signing an extension when he's scheduled to become a UFA.
Excellent analysis. I wouldn't do the trade unless it was for players only, and we worked out an extension with him, both of which are extremely unlikely. I also agree with JonC that we should just look early in the draft for a WR.
Interesting, thanks
Can't see it.
Detroit is not deep at WR. Amendola and Marvin Jones are pure complimentary parts. Unless you are high on this year's 5th round pick Quintez Cephus out of Wisconsin... ;)
Golladay makes them vertical. With him out, they are purely a horizontal offense...
Well it appears he was on top of this inside info a full blown week ago. Hopefully he shares more if able in future.
Certainly doesn't deserve to be cursed at and called a f-ing moron by belligerent posters like Fmic on this site. What an idiot.
disagree. he's every bit a top wr in this league.
that being said, i wouldn't give up anything earlier than a 4 and if you do the 4 you need to have a contract extension agreed on before the trade
One the other hand, any team trading for him should have a contract agreement in place BEFORE the trade. Only Gettleman would do it ass backwards.
They could also use a CB desperately.
One the other hand, any team trading for him should have a contract agreement in place BEFORE the trade. Only Gettleman would do it ass backwards.
That’s assuming the Lions don’t sign any free agents. Who they sign will impact the comp pick formula
All this is of course dependent on getting him signed as part of the deal. I would not let him remain a FA at the end of the year.
Have some of you taken a class from Gettleman on how not to rebuild a roster?
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but I'd agree he's not the player to pay #1 dollars.
disagree. he's every bit a top wr in this league.
that being said, i wouldn't give up anything earlier than a 4 and if you do the 4 you need to have a contract extension agreed on before the trade
If he's a top WR in the NFL, the price tag is much higher, like a #1 draft pick and more.