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Per Raanan, Giants discuss Kenny Golladay with Lions

The Dude : 10/28/2020 7:13 pm
Not sure how much stock you put into Jordan Raanan confirming something, but per twitter ( I don’t listen to his podcast), confirms at the very least a discussion was had.

Unless Giants are trading their own expiring players straight up, i don’t see this rebuilding team trading for a future high priced WR. Zero chance any picks should be involved and much like LW last year, why give up assets for someone you can pay in FA. i can only see this happening if A) Lions have no intention of paying Kenny and B) Ironically, LW would have to be involved..or maybe Zeitler/Peppers or other players whose names have popped up in rumors.
This  
UGADawgs7 : 10/28/2020 7:14 pm : link
Is beyond confusing...
Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
j_rud : 10/28/2020 7:15 pm : link
mentioned this last week.
Golladay  
Toth029 : 10/28/2020 7:18 pm : link
Is a stud. Concern over his absent games though.
RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/28/2020 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15027614 j_rud said:
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mentioned this last week.


I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.

Obviously, the coaches know each other  
George from PA : 10/28/2020 7:20 pm : link
But I would have preferred A.Brown (biting my lip)
If the Lions know they aren’t going to sign him  
Giants in 07 : 10/28/2020 7:21 pm : link
Maybe they take a 3rd and we can sign him long term. This team badly needs someone on the outside

Then trade Zeitler for a 3rd
Everything says the lions should sign him long term.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/28/2020 7:23 pm : link
WRs like that tend not to hit free agency.
RE: If the Lions know they aren’t going to sign him  
NoGainDayne : 10/28/2020 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15027623 Giants in 07 said:
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Maybe they take a 3rd and we can sign him long term. This team badly needs someone on the outside

Then trade Zeitler for a 3rd


No, we should under no circumstances walk into a draft where we are again looking at a top 5 pick and trade one of our 5 picks left. This idea is fucking crazy. Teams don't do this at 1-6 for good reason.
The fact that Mara is even allowing DG....  
Tesla : 10/28/2020 7:24 pm : link
to talk about trading away even more draft picks during another wasted season shows that he has learned absolutely nothing from the disasters of the last four seasons.

At some point the league has to sit down and have a talk with Mara.....his incompetence has turned us from one of the premier NFL franchises into a fucking laughingstock.
Of course we’re buyers  
Oscar : 10/28/2020 7:25 pm : link
Another guy who’s about to be a free agent too. Go get em Dave! Ffs
Depends on a long term deal.  
robbieballs2003 : 10/28/2020 7:29 pm : link
That was the missing piece of the LW deal. Golladay is a player this team needs but we can't play this game of tagging players. I am for it if we can sign him long term and it isn't a first or second round pick.
RE: RE: If the Lions know they aren’t going to sign him  
bw in dc : 10/28/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15027625 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15027623 Giants in 07 said:


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Maybe they take a 3rd and we can sign him long term. This team badly needs someone on the outside

Then trade Zeitler for a 3rd



No, we should under no circumstances walk into a draft where we are again looking at a top 5 pick and trade one of our 5 picks left. This idea is fucking crazy. Teams don't do this at 1-6 for good reason.


^^^^^^^ 100% ^^^^^^^
I forgot the other insane part of Giants in 07's post  
NoGainDayne : 10/28/2020 7:34 pm : link
that we could get a 3rd for Zeitler. That is a real LOL. If we get a 6th rounder for him i'd be surprised. He has played like garbage the last two seasons. Where do people come up with this stuff?
RE: I forgot the other insane part of Giants in 07's post  
section125 : 10/28/2020 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15027633 NoGainDayne said:
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that we could get a 3rd for Zeitler. That is a real LOL. If we get a 6th rounder for him i'd be surprised. He has played like garbage the last two seasons. Where do people come up with this stuff?


If a contending team wants and needs a starting guard, they are not getting away with a 6th rounder.
If the trade  
The Dude : 10/28/2020 7:40 pm : link
Is basically LW for KG(for argument sake)..that’s just swapping a guy we’re unsure about paying for another? But one can argue we have more DT depth than WR

Also how is Mara allowing these talks to be had LOL
Zeitler starts for us but our line is horrific and he is a  
NoGainDayne : 10/28/2020 7:41 pm : link
big part of that. You are dreaming if you think they get more than that. Golden actually had a solid season for us last year (unlike Zeitler) and has a better contract. Why would Zeitler fetch more?
I'd  
AcidTest : 10/28/2020 7:45 pm : link
be really upset if we traded picks for Golladay, an impending FA. As others have said, it would be LW all over again. Our third round pick will also basically be a second. Idiotic.

My guess is that we've already shopped Tate and Zeitler and found that we can't get anything for either of them. The offers we received for Engram and Tomlinson were also less than what we were willing to accept.
Like the  
cokeduplt : 10/28/2020 7:46 pm : link
Player but trading more draft picks for an expiring contract would be horrific.
I’m fine with a discussion  
UConn4523 : 10/28/2020 7:48 pm : link
but I definitely do t want it to happen unless is trade value is less than I think it is.
RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
eric2425ny : 10/28/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15027614 j_rud said:
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mentioned this last week.


Yup, he sure did.
Not gonna lie  
GoDeep13 : 10/28/2020 7:50 pm : link
For a 3rd or later I’d be all for this. We badly need WR help but the best talent for other areas of need on this team (Edge and DB) are in the 1st two rounds. After that it’s a major drop off.
RE: Depends on a long term deal.  
eric2425ny : 10/28/2020 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15027630 robbieballs2003 said:
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That was the missing piece of the LW deal. Golladay is a player this team needs but we can't play this game of tagging players. I am for it if we can sign him long term and it isn't a first or second round pick.


Exactly, if they sign him to a long term deal here’s your next Burress. Big Golladay fan.
RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
santacruzom : 10/28/2020 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15027614 j_rud said:
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mentioned this last week.


And another guy with a different sort of track record completely mocked him for it.
RE: If the trade  
bw in dc : 10/28/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15027648 The Dude said:
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Is basically LW for KG(for argument sake)..that’s just swapping a guy we’re unsure about paying for another? But one can argue we have more DT depth than WR

Also how is Mara allowing these talks to be had LOL


I see this, too.

But I think there is also an underlying message - Mara/Gettleman think they are still in the hunt for the Least and believe adding a very competent WR will significantly help.

Can't say it's totally crazy. But is "winning" the Least with 5 or 6 wins really a good year?

I
I think Gettleman needs to come in tomorrow  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 8:01 pm : link
and bring his office key and security pass to Mr. Mara, and then say goodbye.
RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
BeckShepEli : 10/28/2020 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15027674 santacruzom said:
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mentioned this last week.



And another guy with a different sort of track record completely mocked him for it.


Charlotte man strikes again
Dave Gettleman should not be making long term moves  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/28/2020 8:02 pm : link
on behalf of this franchise. That's my POV.
RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15027674 santacruzom said:
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mentioned this last week.



And another guy with a different sort of track record completely mocked him for it.


who?
RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
djm : 10/28/2020 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15027617 GiantsRage2007 said:
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mentioned this last week.



I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.


Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?

Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.
Golladay  
AcidTest : 10/28/2020 8:11 pm : link
can't save our season. No one can. It's over. Again. Not only didn't we make it to Halloween before being out of contention, we realistically couldn't even get out of September. And in the worst division of football.

Assuming we have a contract agreement in place, I'll do Golladay for Engram, Tate, and Zeitler. Or maybe Golladay for Engram and Tomlinson.
Santacruzom  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 8:12 pm : link
Who are you referring to?
Only if it’s a player for player deal..  
Sean : 10/28/2020 8:12 pm : link
Need to be adding draft picks, not selling them off.
I think the word is out  
David B. : 10/28/2020 8:12 pm : link
That Peppers is useless, and Zeitler is done. Tate can help you if you have a #1 and maybe a #2.
Golladay  
Jon in NYC : 10/28/2020 8:15 pm : link
is great and is very much what this team needs. The price is a concern both in salary and trade comp, more the latter. Seems unlikely, but I'd love to send Peppers and a 5th as opposed to a 3rd.
So what is the big issue if we could get a 26 yr old Golladay  
PatersonPlank : 10/28/2020 8:16 pm : link
for a good deal? He is young and could be part of the solution moving forward. IMO, I wouldn't be against a Zeitler for KG deal. Slayton, KG, and Shep is ok. We need to build around young players, and he is young
players for Golladay all day  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 8:17 pm : link
whether it's Peppers, Engram, Tate, Zeitler, etc. Perhaps even Tomlinson or Hill since it's an area with some depth.

if it's draft picks I'd imagine they'd want a 3rd+ and that I'd pass on. You can find good WR's in FA.
If we want Golladay  
AdamBrag : 10/28/2020 8:19 pm : link
we should sign him as a FA after the season.

He's really good, but the idea of trading for him when he'll be a FA at year end is incredibly stupid.
If we give up draft picks for a soon to be FA...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/28/2020 8:21 pm : link
JFC.

It really is time to take the car keys away from Gettleman, who should have been shown the door with Shurmur.
RE: If we want Golladay  
SGMen : 10/28/2020 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15027733 AdamBrag said:
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we should sign him as a FA after the season.

He's really good, but the idea of trading for him when he'll be a FA at year end is incredibly stupid.
I'd trade Zeitler for him. LOL. But yes, trading for a guy who will be a FA at season's end is not very smart.
The Lions are squarely...  
bw in dc : 10/28/2020 8:23 pm : link
in the playoff hunt right now. That was a huge win they stole in Atlanta last week. They have a fairly manageable schedule for the rest of the year where they could get to nine wins.

So selling their best WR doesn't make sense, especially for Patricia and Quinn...very likely trying to keep their jobs.
I would do Leonard Williams for  
chopperhatch : 10/28/2020 8:25 pm : link
Golladay straight up. Am I wrong?

Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....


Am I nuts?
Golladay is a really good player  
Chris684 : 10/28/2020 8:25 pm : link
The cost (specifically draft picks) does concern me as I'm not sure what players they'd want in return, who we would actually trade.

Engram is not comparable value plus they have Hockenson.

Tomlinson? Maybe, he's one of the few guys who date back to the Reese era but he is a defensive captain currently.

I'm just not sure I see a fit for a deal here.
What are some of you talking about  
mdthedream : 10/28/2020 8:26 pm : link
Judge things we are a year away esp in this div and that is how he should look at it. Fix the oline and the rest will come together.
RE: I would do Leonard Williams for  
Jon in NYC : 10/28/2020 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15027745 chopperhatch said:
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Golladay straight up. Am I wrong?

Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....


Am I nuts?


No, I would do that as well.
He  
mdthedream : 10/28/2020 8:27 pm : link
would be a great fit.
Why do all of you think  
David B. : 10/28/2020 8:27 pm : link
Someone's giving up a stud player for our trash? Even if it's LOTS of trash.
RE: I would do Leonard Williams for  
The Dude : 10/28/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15027745 chopperhatch said:
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Golladay straight up. Am I wrong?

Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....


Am I nuts?


If the above was the case i think you absolutely do It. We have a handful of DT/DEs, not so much WR. Even if we don’t come to an agreement with KG this off-season(in this scenario we absolutely should), what’s the damage? You let LW walk which theoretically we were going to anyway
I like LW but I'd trade him for Golladay as long as medical checks out  
Eric on Li : 10/28/2020 8:31 pm : link
I'd rather invest around Jones than the defense. The way the game is now you have to be able to score if you get the ball last.

The Lions only won last weekend because Golladay made plays.
RE: RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/28/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15027702 djm said:
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In comment 15027614 j_rud said:


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mentioned this last week.



I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.




Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?

Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.


Because it DG. Because he traded assets last year for a FA to be? I mean, I get it.. we desperately need a wr. But it seems like you either trade a pick for a guy with a long term contract or sign a guy in FA. Not trade picks for a guy becoming a FA. This isn’t the only wr around. Yes he’s good but ... the draft is full of good wr. Other teams seem to find them every year.
RE: The Lions are squarely...  
AcidTest : 10/28/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15027742 bw in dc said:
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in the playoff hunt right now. That was a huge win they stole in Atlanta last week. They have a fairly manageable schedule for the rest of the year where they could get to nine wins.

So selling their best WR doesn't make sense, especially for Patricia and Quinn...very likely trying to keep their jobs.


Agreed. I don't see this happening, but can't believe we'd be "buyers" again in FA.
This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 8:40 pm : link
talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?


Quote:
Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
RE: Not gonna lie  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/28/2020 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15027670 GoDeep13 said:
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For a 3rd or later I’d be all for this. We badly need WR help but the best talent for other areas of need on this team (Edge and DB) are in the 1st two rounds. After that it’s a major drop off.


That's the issue for me. And your out your mind if you think Golladay is going for a 3rd. The media barely talks about the guy and he's a better player than Cooper who grabbed a first. Their asking price would certainly be a first, but maybe a second in our case. If they would take two 3rd's and Engram I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I agree with your latter point though and I think this defense is a CB and edge from being very, very good and the only way you can get edge these days is in the draft or trade a boatload of picks. Trade away a second and then we might see ourselves force the edge with our top pick which is exactly where you don't want to be long-term. I think having your first two picks in the draft is huge as it gives you more leeway of not forcing need.
Golloday is a bonafide #1  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/28/2020 8:53 pm : link
Lions have 3 wins and the coach and GM are playing for their jobs. Peppers and a 5th is a laughable offer
RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
Saquads26 : 10/28/2020 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15027617 GiantsRage2007 said:
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mentioned this last week.



I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.


No, he doesn’t
RE: Golloday is a bonafide #1  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/28/2020 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15027775 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Lions have 3 wins and the coach and GM are playing for their jobs. Peppers and a 5th is a laughable offer


Yeah unless Patricia has been given some insurances no way he's a seller. I think a lot of this is getting driven by the fact he's from the "Bill Belichik" tree.
Anyone think Raanan has any sources?  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/28/2020 9:00 pm : link
Or did he just cut and paste what Rico said ?
RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
widmerseyebrow : 10/28/2020 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off



Ya that was pretty unnecessary.
I can see the reasoning....  
giant_thoughts : 10/28/2020 9:07 pm : link
If this does happen you can bet a driving motivation for making it happen would be the ability to provide Daniel Jones some real weapons to help in the development and evaluation of him as a franchise quarterback.

Anyone that can't see that has already quit on this year and is already looking at next year.
An extension needs to be paired with the trade  
widmerseyebrow : 10/28/2020 9:07 pm : link
For it to make any kind of sense, and even then what is the point in this kind of season. And why should Gettleman get the benefit of a doubt given how LW played out?
Gettleman is known to trade picks  
Metnut : 10/28/2020 9:07 pm : link
for players who are immediately due a big contract.
so  
Giantsfan79 : 10/28/2020 9:08 pm : link
in a draft that's going to be super deep in WR again and which we are likely to have a top 5 pick;

We're going to trade for a WR who's a free agent at the end of year and will likely command what $15 million plus per year.

Brilliant!!!

why not draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd instead, save millions based on the rookie contract and/or sign Galladay this off-season if they really want to.

Or may DG is convinced we are one WR away from the playoffs.
The Giants are approaching a Knicks death spiral  
arniefez : 10/28/2020 9:10 pm : link
John and Chris Mara are trending to Dolan levels.
RE: If we want Golladay  
GoDeep13 : 10/28/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15027733 AdamBrag said:
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we should sign him as a FA after the season.

He's really good, but the idea of trading for him when he'll be a FA at year end is incredibly stupid.
would he be viable for some kind of tag?
RE: If the trade  
EricJ : 10/28/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15027648 The Dude said:
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Is basically LW for KG(for argument sake)..that’s just swapping a guy we’re unsure about paying for another? But one can argue we have more DT depth than WR

Also how is Mara allowing these talks to be had LOL


who says there is any discussion with the Lions about any of this? Consider the source... not credible at all
I like Golladay  
Matt in SGS : 10/28/2020 9:19 pm : link
a lot, not thrilled at the idea of trading picks for him.

But...

The Giants need a #1 WR to work with Jones. So long as the Jets organization exists, they are going to pick #1. Now that might force Lawrence to go back to Clemson, but the bottom line is I don't think the Giants are going to give up on Jones just yet.

So for the Judge team to start winning, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to give a half of a season for Jones to start to build a connection with Golladay. Slayton is a nice WR, but more and more he's a #2 or #3 on a deep roster. Shepard is the underneath slot guy. Forget Tate, he's done. Golladay is more of a building block for the immediate future than Williams was last year in the trade.

Like GoDeep13 said above, for a 3rd I might have a tough time saying no to that. At some point the Giants need to start giving Jones some help out there. Now he turns 27 next week, he came in as an older rookie, so that might drive his price tag down. It will be interesting to see if they do anything.
RE: RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15027782 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:


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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off





Ya that was pretty unnecessary.


He’s a dink. But he does have the inside scoop on the big story this month ...WR Coleman being added to the practice squad.
RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
PetesHereNow : 10/28/2020 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




Quote:


Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off



That post wasn’t directed at Rico. I believe Sonic Youth and Fatman had a disagreement.
RE: RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
LBH15 : 10/28/2020 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15027810 PetesHereNow said:
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In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:


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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off





That post wasn’t directed at Rico. I believe Sonic Youth and Fatman had a disagreement.


What? How do you come to that view?
RE: I like Golladay  
GoDeep13 : 10/28/2020 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15027803 Matt in SGS said:
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a lot, not thrilled at the idea of trading picks for him.

But...

The Giants need a #1 WR to work with Jones. So long as the Jets organization exists, they are going to pick #1. Now that might force Lawrence to go back to Clemson, but the bottom line is I don't think the Giants are going to give up on Jones just yet.

So for the Judge team to start winning, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to give a half of a season for Jones to start to build a connection with Golladay. Slayton is a nice WR, but more and more he's a #2 or #3 on a deep roster. Shepard is the underneath slot guy. Forget Tate, he's done. Golladay is more of a building block for the immediate future than Williams was last year in the trade.

Like GoDeep13 said above, for a 3rd I might have a tough time saying no to that. At some point the Giants need to start giving Jones some help out there. Now he turns 27 next week, he came in as an older rookie, so that might drive his price tag down. It will be interesting to see if they do anything.
another guy for them to consider would be DJ Chark. Jacksonville looks like it wants draft picks. They drafted Shenault and have Cole as well. He’s a bit disgruntled with them at the moment. 6’3 and ran in the 4.3s. Been a productive guy with top tier WR1 potential.
RE: I would do Leonard Williams for  
islander1 : 10/28/2020 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15027745 chopperhatch said:
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Golladay straight up. Am I wrong?

Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....


Am I nuts?


No, we need Golladay more.
Makes little sense to trade picks  
JonC : 10/28/2020 9:52 pm : link
when you stink and already traded a couple picks away. Lions are also in the mix so why trade a weapon. He's probably a nutter.

Rico has been legit repeatedly, btw.
Didn't realize he was turning 27 during the season, thought he was a  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/28/2020 9:55 pm : link
young 26. That changes things a tiny bit. Patricia is trying to win this year, but I wonder if he'd take a 3rd and Engram.

That would give them a very unique set of skill players and you could really play Engram to his strengths. Hockenson is emerging to what he is was hyped as and their other tight end is pretty good. They could go two tight ends all game giving you a lot of options as to what you want to do on offense. Really outside the box, but there's a certain logic to it for both teams. I think if Golladay is rumored to be shopped than its possible Patricia has been given certain assurances he'll get another year.
.  
Walnut : 10/28/2020 10:10 pm : link
An offense with Golladay-Slayton-EE-Sheppard with Lewis/Freeman/Gallman out of the backfield could win the division. Espeically as Thomas and the rest of the line continue to improve.
RE: I would do Leonard Williams for  
santacruzom : 10/28/2020 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15027745 chopperhatch said:
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Golladay straight up. Am I wrong?

Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....


Am I nuts?


I would absolutely do that in one second.
Deep 2020 WR draft  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 10/28/2020 11:06 pm : link
and here we are talking about trading picks for a receiver. DG Could still have gone OL at 4 and grabbed a nice prospect in Claypool, Higgins or shenualt in the 2nd.

We knew the state of our wrs. This was no surprise.
LW for Golladay  
Giants in 07 : 10/28/2020 11:08 pm : link
is a no brainer
RE: RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
eric2425ny : 10/28/2020 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15027810 PetesHereNow said:
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In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:


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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off





That post wasn’t directed at Rico. I believe Sonic Youth and Fatman had a disagreement.


I also think it was between Sonic and FMIC
RE: .  
ron mexico : 10/28/2020 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15027828 Walnut said:
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An offense with Golladay-Slayton-EE-Sheppard with Lewis/Freeman/Gallman out of the backfield could win the division. Espeically as Thomas and the rest of the line continue to improve.


Stop

We already have 2 div losses. One more and we are done.
RE: RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
Anakim : 10/28/2020 11:34 pm : link
In comment 15027702 djm said:
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mentioned this last week.



I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.




Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?

Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.


Golladay IS a FA at the end of the year. It's the Leonard Williams trade all over again.
RE: I would do Leonard Williams for  
Anakim : 10/28/2020 11:35 pm : link
In comment 15027745 chopperhatch said:
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Golladay straight up. Am I wrong?

Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....


Am I nuts?


No, your trade would make more sense than trading a draft pick.
RE: Deep 2020 WR draft  
Anakim : 10/28/2020 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15027848 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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and here we are talking about trading picks for a receiver. DG Could still have gone OL at 4 and grabbed a nice prospect in Claypool, Higgins or shenualt in the 2nd.

We knew the state of our wrs. This was no surprise.


Hggins was taken before our second round pick. He was the first pick of the second round.
RE: RE: Deep 2020 WR draft  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 10/28/2020 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15027856 Anakim said:
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In comment 15027848 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:


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and here we are talking about trading picks for a receiver. DG Could still have gone OL at 4 and grabbed a nice prospect in Claypool, Higgins or shenualt in the 2nd.

We knew the state of our wrs. This was no surprise.



Hggins was taken before our second round pick. He was the first pick of the second round.


Good catch.

For all you analytic geeks, Cray run on WRs this year...27 taken in 1st 5 rounds.
Fire. Dave. Gettleman.  
Justlurking : 10/28/2020 11:54 pm : link
The fact that this is even being discussed by the giants is offensive. Learned nothing over the past 3 years??? John Mara wake up.
RE: RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
Saquads26 : 10/29/2020 12:10 am : link
In comment 15027782 widmerseyebrow said:
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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Are..
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off





Ya that was pretty unnecessary.


Typical of him, egg all over his face as always
I’ll give them  
MtDizzle : 10/29/2020 2:18 am : link
Golden Tate straight up. Take it or leave it.
It makes sense as long as two things happen  
jvm52106 : 10/29/2020 7:09 am : link
1- we sign him to a long term deal and

2- The Giants plan to move down in the draft to accumulate some more picks.

I think we will be active in FA and fill a number of holes that way.
Our biggest need  
mdthedream : 10/29/2020 7:27 am : link
on this team is offense period. Need Oline to get better and we need WRs. I would also look to get a decent TE that can block and catch and yes they are out there during free agency. TE like guys like cook are not expensive.
no way I give up draft assets for a guy who's FA  
Victor in CT : 10/29/2020 7:32 am : link
Leonard Williams redux. Sign him in FA. This year is over.
RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/29/2020 8:42 am : link
In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off



Jesus.. FMiC should sit these next few plays out.
Here's Rico's thread  
fkap : 10/29/2020 8:43 am : link
Unless the mods deleted a post prior to FMiC, the only conclusion one can come to is that his post was aimed at Rico.

I love the Fatman when he's talking football, but far too often he's more interested in being snarky.

His not knowing, or respecting, Rico's history is odd, since Fats usually has the memory of an elephant when it comes to posters.
Rico Thread - ( New Window )
and  
fkap : 10/29/2020 8:44 am : link
no fucking trade without a new deal in place.
Someone HAS to have taken  
Harvest Blend : 10/29/2020 8:55 am : link
DG's keys from him by this point, no?
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/29/2020 9:18 am : link
is Jordan Rico?
RE: Someone HAS to have taken  
Dnew15 : 10/29/2020 9:34 am : link
In comment 15027940 Harvest Blend said:
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DG's keys from him by this point, no?


Not if the plan is just hand the reins over to Abrams. This would be the perfect Giants Way of handling the situation.

I mean - that's the kind of shit they do over at Jints Central.

This is what they should be doing  
HomerJones45 : 10/29/2020 9:39 am : link
they obviously need a receiver, if the Lions don't want to pay Golladay, and he is available, he fits the bill. The Lions need defensive players, we have extra d-linemen, so it seems like fit.

I agree Gettleman stinks but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and this is a nut we could use.
RE: RE: Someone HAS to have taken  
Harvest Blend : 10/29/2020 9:44 am : link
In comment 15027966 Dnew15 said:
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DG's keys from him by this point, no?



Not if the plan is just hand the reins over to Abrams. This would be the perfect Giants Way of handling the situation.

I mean - that's the kind of shit they do over at Jints Central.


I'm aware of that but I'm in a hopeful mood today.
RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/29/2020 9:44 am : link
In comment 15027764 LBH15 said:
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off



Can you imagine what this guy is like in real life?
RE: RE: This was Fmic's post to Rico when he mentioned DG was  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/29/2020 9:47 am : link
In comment 15027976 sb from NYT Forum said:
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.

Who's the moron?




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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off





Can you imagine what this guy is like in real life?


Still can’t get over the gem he dropped after the loss to the cowboys: “So th is is the GMs fault?”
For the right price  
Allen in CNJ : 10/29/2020 9:48 am : link
this deal would be a good one.
RE: This is what they should be doing  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/29/2020 9:48 am : link
In comment 15027968 HomerJones45 said:
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they obviously need a receiver, if the Lions don't want to pay Golladay, and he is available, he fits the bill. The Lions need defensive players, we have extra d-linemen, so it seems like fit.

I agree Gettleman stinks but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and this is a nut we could use.



They can inquire but they aren’t trading Golloday for Leonard freaking Williams
Maybe DG should have used more than 1 of his 33 draft picks on a WR  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/29/2020 9:51 am : link
...especially one of the 24(!!!) picks he had in the two years since trading away Beckham.
let me say this  
djm : 10/29/2020 9:52 am : link
if some of you aren't making this trade because Golladay will need a long term contract? Cmon already. We aren't paying anyone here and it's not like there are 10 players coming up that will need huge long term deals. There are a couple, tops.

Forget the money for a second. Barely anyone here is getting paid big bucks and the ones that are won't be here for much longer. Shepard is the only WR making any money and it isn't exactly a contract to begin with. Tate is done.



I think we are in a place  
djm : 10/29/2020 9:53 am : link
where we need more vet talent than young talent anyway, but that's another story.
Damn...  
Dnew15 : 10/29/2020 10:14 am : link
the more I think about this - the more I agree.

It's the LW thing all over again.

If the Lions aren't going to pay him - just buy in the offseason.

If there's one thing Jints Central should have learned from LW, it's that procuring these guys prior to FA hasn't helped them get these guys signed to long term deals.
You just have to laugh at the piling on here regarding FMiC  
montanagiant : 10/29/2020 10:25 am : link
Somewhat weak to be playing cheerleader because he slammed you in the past. Handle it yourself with him instead of sniping away in here
If they are even seriously THINKING ABOUT  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/29/2020 10:30 am : link
trading for Golladay, they are for sure letting one of DT/LW leave.

Obviously Golladay would be kept on the franchise or transition tag, and they'd use the other tag on whichever DT they keep (if they can't agree to extension.)
RE: This is what they should be doing  
dune69 : 10/29/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 15027968 HomerJones45 said:
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they obviously need a receiver, if the Lions don't want to pay Golladay, and he is available, he fits the bill. The Lions need defensive players, we have extra d-linemen, so it seems like fit.

I agree Gettleman stinks but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and this is a nut we could use.


Agree. If the deal is fair, we need to add talent. We need help putting points on the board. If Gettleman can get Golladay for a player and a later draft pick, do it. We need talent. Love to see Peppers involved.
RE: let me say this  
ron mexico : 10/29/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 15027994 djm said:
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if some of you aren't making this trade because Golladay will need a long term contract? Cmon already. We aren't paying anyone here and it's not like there are 10 players coming up that will need huge long term deals. There are a couple, tops.

Forget the money for a second. Barely anyone here is getting paid big bucks and the ones that are won't be here for much longer. Shepard is the only WR making any money and it isn't exactly a contract to begin with. Tate is done.




Excuses in making sub optimal transactions is how we got in this mess

It’s all we had to do this because or we can do this because.

Start a foundation on good decisions, not excuses

I’m fine with adding vet talent at WR, but we’ve seen first hand that trading for a guy and hoping to negotiate later doesn’t work.
djm  
fkap : 10/29/2020 10:46 am : link
alongside the paying of KG, there's also the price of giving up a draft pick. That's part of the price tag.

It may be worth it to get a top WR for a few years, if you know what the contract will be. The problem with the LW trade is that it didn't come with a pre-arranged deal in place, and the Giants way overpaid for the tag, and the right to negotiate again with a guy who wants more than the Giants thought they would have to pay. You don't want that situation again with KG.

IF the pick (s) you give up AND the contract price is worth it, then go for it. As LW showed, trading just for the right of first negotiation is highly questionable.
Golladay is an injury risk  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/29/2020 11:23 am : link
Last season was the first he played 16 games.

He missed two games this year already with a hamstring. He missed 5 games his rookie year with a hamstring.
I don't want a WR in the first round  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/29/2020 11:35 am : link
We have to go ER in Round 1 this year -- and we need a solid #1 WR -- so I don't have a problem with losing a draft pick to get a receiver like Golladay as long as it's not a 1, 2 or 3



RE: I don't want a WR in the first round  
cokeduplt : 10/29/2020 11:42 am : link
In comment 15028172 gidiefor said:
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We have to go ER in Round 1 this year -- and we need a solid #1 WR -- so I don't have a problem with losing a draft pick to get a receiver like Golladay as long as it's not a 1, 2 or 3




What if the edger rushers aren’t good? This is how you wind up with Cedric Jones.
RE: djm  
bw in dc : 10/29/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 15028087 fkap said:
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alongside the paying of KG, there's also the price of giving up a draft pick. That's part of the price tag.

It may be worth it to get a top WR for a few years, if you know what the contract will be. The problem with the LW trade is that it didn't come with a pre-arranged deal in place, and the Giants way overpaid for the tag, and the right to negotiate again with a guy who wants more than the Giants thought they would have to pay. You don't want that situation again with KG.

IF the pick (s) you give up AND the contract price is worth it, then go for it. As LW showed, trading just for the right of first negotiation is highly questionable.


Well said.

I recall very clearly how many at BBI said Gettleman would not have made the LW deal without some "gentleman's agreement" in place. And getting to a signed contract was going to be a mere formality since Gettleman was smart enough to flesh out the contract beforehand...

Gettleman...there is no substitute.
The market for a WR is immense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/29/2020 12:01 pm : link
He stands to get a huge payday. Unless the Giants are prepared to make a difficult to refuse offer, trading for him is a mistake.you make that trade, you need to be willing to make sure he doesn't ever leave the building.

You have to offer a contract that beats the lure of Free Agency. His agent wouldn't be doing a good job if he advised him otherwise.
Didn't the Giants have a young highly skilled WR?  
GManinDC : 10/29/2020 12:06 pm : link
...
fkap, ron +1  
JonC : 10/29/2020 12:08 pm : link
There's a time to spend, and now the trades and contracts need to be smart and well timed. A trade now for Golladay it not.
The Giants can afford to  
Dnew15 : 10/29/2020 12:09 pm : link
buy him in FA if he's the guy they really want and Detroit isn't will to pay him.

However, at the end of day, I think the Lions will.

It's rare a talent like KG becomes available at the age of 27.
RE: ...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/29/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15027958 ryanmkeane said:
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is Jordan Rico?


This is the mystery behind the Sith!
Rico has been here for years  
JonC : 10/29/2020 12:17 pm : link
and I believe is a doctor.
RE: fkap, ron +1  
bigblue5611_2 : 10/29/2020 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15028216 JonC said:
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There's a time to spend, and now the trades and contracts need to be smart and well timed. A trade now for Golladay it not.


Would you not do it for a 4th or 5th round pick? Or, as others have floated, a player (LW maybe) for player swap?
No  
JonC : 10/29/2020 12:27 pm : link
I think BBI is starved and overrating him a bit. He's also set to be a UFA after this season. Prefer to not repeat the LW mistake, even with the best of intentions.
Fair enough  
bigblue5611_2 : 10/29/2020 12:39 pm : link
I wouldn't be clamoring for him, but also wouldn't mind seeing Jones get another legitimate weapon to throw to. That said I wouldn't want to give up good draft capital either.
If I'm DG  
JonC : 10/29/2020 12:43 pm : link
I'm looking at WR early in the draft. Cost-controlled, age lines up with the core, no repeat of the LW scenario.

I said the same thing last April in the second round, specifically targeting Pittman Jr or Claypool. Woulda worked out well.
A trade for Golladay is a trade for the right to **tag** Golladay  
Kyle_ : 10/29/2020 12:43 pm : link
Among myriad problems (lack of draft capital, team timeline, roster needs, etc.), that's the first one to confront.

That's all you're getting guaranteed in the deal: the right to have Golladay for the remainder of 2020-21 and then the right to tag Golladay and have his services for 2021-22, and no further, for upwards of $18 million.

As noted above, he's not signing an extension when he's scheduled to become a UFA.
Nope  
JonC : 10/29/2020 12:45 pm : link
It's the LW trade all over again, especially if he wants to be on a winning team and get paid, which he can do as a UFA.
Golladay is a nice WR  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/29/2020 12:48 pm : link
but does he really move the needle for this team? I don't think he's a #1 by any means.
He's a good vertical and red zone threat  
JonC : 10/29/2020 12:57 pm : link
but I'd agree he's not the player to pay #1 dollars.
Like I said last night...  
bw in dc : 10/29/2020 1:05 pm : link
I think this really just an academic exercise.

Detroit has a real chance to qualify for the playoffs. And it's probably a safe bet that Patricia and/or Quinn are on some thin ice. So they need to capitalize on this opportunity. Which means they are more likely buyers and not sellers (e.g. Golloday) before the deadline...
RE: Golladay is a nice WR  
Producer : 10/29/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15028267 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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but does he really move the needle for this team? I don't think he's a #1 by any means.


Golladay is an enormous talent and is very much in the mix of #1 WRs. I don't think you've seen enough of him. Having said that, I agree with bw that Detroit won't deal him. He's a foundational talent.
Giants  
JonC : 10/29/2020 1:09 pm : link
should be looking to sell, stockpile the assets and cap space.

Turn those machines back on!! Selllll!!!
i wouldn’t mind sending a 4th or 3rd for KG  
90.Cal : 10/29/2020 1:09 pm : link
Even if we don’t resign and have to tag him... the Giants aren’t a particularly attractive FA destination at the moment... maybe we have to trade for him just to have a chance at signing him long term. It’s a risk worth taking IMO... DJ is pressured more than any QB and his targets are getting the least separation in all of football. It’s awful watching DJ run for his life with no one open to throw to. We need a #1 WR and KG fits the bill, then again I was for going after AB, 2 to 3 mil and no draft capital cost doesn’t seem to bad now...

We traded JPP for BJ Hill (69th overall)...
We traded Ashtyn Davis (68th overall) for Leonard Williams...

Those trades of good players for mid round (3rd round) draft picks seem devastating to a rebuilding team in need of draft capital but hardly ever really are... I say do it even if it costs us a 3... everyone bitching about the LW trade is unreal... like that pick would have made this team better than LW? Insane. Give me KG for our 3rd round pick. Give me Sewell in round 1 defense in round 2 and let’s sign an Edge that makes it to the FA market
What Plaxico was for Eli  
90.Cal : 10/29/2020 1:12 pm : link
Golladay can be for Jones... potentially.
It's not just the #3 pick in the LW deal  
JonC : 10/29/2020 1:14 pm : link
just that pick alone, I have no problem with, for obvious reasons. But, you traded it and a second pick for a UFA whom you completely whiffed on re-signing to an extension before the DT market took a big leap higher. And, it forced you to tag him which sets the price tag higher nowadays, not lower, because you're buying out their open market leverage too.

Tolerating those mistakes is tough to swallow, it suggests a considerable blind spot.

It's also not just about 2020, that's what a big chunk of BBI consistently fails to grasp.
RE: RE: RE: Rico, an asshat with a pretty solid track record  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/29/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15027702 djm said:
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In comment 15027617 GiantsRage2007 said:


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In comment 15027614 j_rud said:


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mentioned this last week.



I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.




Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?

Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.

Considering Golladay IS AN IMPENDING FREE AGENT, you can roll the fucking dice that you absolutely can get this same WR in FA. And if you can't, it will be because he wanted to sign somewhere else, which will also be the case if he was our FA instead of Detroit's.

It's insane.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 10/29/2020 1:18 pm : link
yup, I'm looking at CB or EDGE in round 1, WR in round 2. It would line up nicely with the current roster.
ryan  
JonC : 10/29/2020 1:19 pm : link
You finally got something right! j/k
RE: It's not just the #3 pick in the LW deal  
BrettNYG10 : 10/29/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15028298 JonC said:
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just that pick alone, I have no problem with, for obvious reasons. But, you traded it and a second pick for a UFA whom you completely whiffed on re-signing to an extension before the DT market took a big leap higher. And, it forced you to tag him which sets the price tag higher nowadays, not lower, because you're buying out their open market leverage too.

Tolerating those mistakes is tough to swallow, it suggests a considerable blind spot.

It's also not just about 2020, that's what a big chunk of BBI consistently fails to grasp.


I hated that trade so much and I actually love Williams the player.

A third and a fifth. Those call option picks on cheap contracts are much needed.
I like LW too  
JonC : 10/29/2020 1:27 pm : link
Really liked him out of USC, just don't like paying those big dollars to 3-4 DE. He's a very good player but wouldn't say he's lived up to the draft pedigree yet.

If they'd gotten the extension done, I think alot of the handwringing would've subsided.
RE: ryan  
ryanmkeane : 10/29/2020 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15028305 JonC said:
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You finally got something right! j/k

I'm working on it
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 10/29/2020 1:56 pm : link
you were high on Okudah this year...I think Surtain II looks to be a better prospect. Thoughts?
Like him a lot, good bloodlines  
JonC : 10/29/2020 2:12 pm : link
Fluid athlete, 6'2 and long, excellent in press, good football IQ and instincts, willing tackler in run support. Only thing I see is he's not a quick twitch athlete with great hips, probably due to his height and length.
They gonna go OL  
GManinDC : 10/29/2020 2:13 pm : link
in the 1st and CB in the 2nd. They won't go WR in the first
RE: A trade for Golladay is a trade for the right to **tag** Golladay  
AcidTest : 10/29/2020 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15028261 Kyle_ said:
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Among myriad problems (lack of draft capital, team timeline, roster needs, etc.), that's the first one to confront.

That's all you're getting guaranteed in the deal: the right to have Golladay for the remainder of 2020-21 and then the right to tag Golladay and have his services for 2021-22, and no further, for upwards of $18 million.

As noted above, he's not signing an extension when he's scheduled to become a UFA.


Excellent analysis. I wouldn't do the trade unless it was for players only, and we worked out an extension with him, both of which are extremely unlikely. I also agree with JonC that we should just look early in the draft for a WR.
I could see  
HomerJones45 : 10/29/2020 2:21 pm : link
the Giants and Lions swapping Williams for Golladay.
RE: Like him a lot, good bloodlines  
ryanmkeane : 10/29/2020 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15028359 JonC said:
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Fluid athlete, 6'2 and long, excellent in press, good football IQ and instincts, willing tackler in run support. Only thing I see is he's not a quick twitch athlete with great hips, probably due to his height and length.

Interesting, thanks
RE: I could see  
bw in dc : 10/29/2020 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15028365 HomerJones45 said:
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the Giants and Lions swapping Williams for Golladay.


Can't see it.

Detroit is not deep at WR. Amendola and Marvin Jones are pure complimentary parts. Unless you are high on this year's 5th round pick Quintez Cephus out of Wisconsin... ;)

Golladay makes them vertical. With him out, they are purely a horizontal offense...
it would be doubling down on dumb  
PerpetualNervousness : 10/29/2020 3:32 pm : link
the Giants are a team that needs to acquire as much cheap, young talent as possible. they already traded away two draft picks in the upcoming draft (Isaac Yiadom, anyone?) they are once again going to have a high draft pick, and, just as in the Williams trade, any draft capital you expend to acquire the player nets you simply a pretty valueless first bid option. For all the talk about how Williams wanted to be a Giant etc etc, but, like any smart NFL player, he wanted to maximize his value, and as he and his agent clearly realized, he had the Giants over a barrel in the negotiations. Kenny Golladay has no incentive to sign an underpriced deal with the Giants. So if the team is interested in him, then they should simply do what they should have done with Williams, sign him in free agency. the notion that somehow by owning his rights the Giants will save some money vs price on the free agent market makes no sense. if he ends up being too expensive on the free agent market, then you were never signing him to a long term deal to begin with.
I get it  
Thegratefulhead : 10/29/2020 3:51 pm : link
They understand that have a small shot at Lawrence and reasonable shot at Fields. We need to know what we have in DJ, it is hard to do with our receivers. I would not give up a pick but LW or Zeitler...yeah.
RE: Rico has been here for years  
LBH15 : 10/29/2020 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15028225 JonC said:
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and I believe is a doctor.


Well it appears he was on top of this inside info a full blown week ago. Hopefully he shares more if able in future.

Certainly doesn't deserve to be cursed at and called a f-ing moron by belligerent posters like Fmic on this site. What an idiot.
RE: He's a good vertical and red zone threat  
GiantsFan84 : 10/29/2020 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15028280 JonC said:
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but I'd agree he's not the player to pay #1 dollars.


disagree. he's every bit a top wr in this league.

that being said, i wouldn't give up anything earlier than a 4 and if you do the 4 you need to have a contract extension agreed on before the trade
The Lions would never let him go  
.McL. : 10/29/2020 8:04 pm : link
for less than a 3rd, because that's the comp pick they would get if he opted for FA and signed elsewhere.

One the other hand, any team trading for him should have a contract agreement in place BEFORE the trade. Only Gettleman would do it ass backwards.
RE: I don't want a WR in the first round  
Carson53 : 10/30/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 15028172 gidiefor said:
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We have to go ER in Round 1 this year -- and we need a solid #1 WR -- so I don't have a problem with losing a draft pick to get a receiver like Golladay as long as it's not a 1, 2 or 3


.

They could also use a CB desperately.
God almighty  
Giant4Life : 10/30/2020 11:34 am : link
Doesn't Gettleman ever learn from his mistakes? Please, no more trades and can his ass 10 seconds after the season is over.
RE: The Lions would never let him go  
BigBlueShock : 10/30/2020 11:46 am : link
In comment 15028652 .McL. said:
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for less than a 3rd, because that's the comp pick they would get if he opted for FA and signed elsewhere.

One the other hand, any team trading for him should have a contract agreement in place BEFORE the trade. Only Gettleman would do it ass backwards.

That’s assuming the Lions don’t sign any free agents. Who they sign will impact the comp pick formula
I don’t believe for a second that DG would consider making a trade  
steve in ky : 10/30/2020 11:47 am : link
like this unless Judge was firmly onboard. So what would motivate them to consider this if they could get him for the right price? Perhaps Judge believes having a better wr is the only way for him to fully evaluate Jones prior to the draft in order to determine whether or not they consider drafting another qb.
We definitely need to improve our WR Corp and KG is still young  
PatersonPlank : 10/30/2020 12:02 pm : link
He can be part of the future plan. I'd definitely consider him in a player-for-player trade (someone like Zeitler or EE), and I would absolutely consider giving a 3rd for him. Its unlikely we can get a proven WR of his caliber in Rd 3 anyway (at least it would be a guy who's unproven and more of a risk).

All this is of course dependent on getting him signed as part of the deal. I would not let him remain a FA at the end of the year.
Player for player is one thing. But to you all that keep thinking  
LBH15 : 10/30/2020 12:12 pm : link
a winning strategy is to trade our draft picks for another team's relatively good player that they don't want to keep is eye-rolling to say the least.

Have some of you taken a class from Gettleman on how not to rebuild a roster?
RE: RE: He's a good vertical and red zone threat  
JonC : 10/30/2020 12:33 pm : link
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but I'd agree he's not the player to pay #1 dollars.



disagree. he's every bit a top wr in this league.

that being said, i wouldn't give up anything earlier than a 4 and if you do the 4 you need to have a contract extension agreed on before the trade


If he's a top WR in the NFL, the price tag is much higher, like a #1 draft pick and more.
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