Not sure how much stock you put into Jordan Raanan confirming something, but per twitter ( I don’t listen to his podcast), confirms at the very least a discussion was had.
Unless Giants are trading their own expiring players straight up, i don’t see this rebuilding team trading for a future high priced WR. Zero chance any picks should be involved and much like LW last year, why give up assets for someone you can pay in FA. i can only see this happening if A) Lions have no intention of paying Kenny and B) Ironically, LW would have to be involved..or maybe Zeitler/Peppers or other players whose names have popped up in rumors.
I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
Then trade Zeitler for a 3rd
Then trade Zeitler for a 3rd
No, we should under no circumstances walk into a draft where we are again looking at a top 5 pick and trade one of our 5 picks left. This idea is fucking crazy. Teams don't do this at 1-6 for good reason.
At some point the league has to sit down and have a talk with Mara.....his incompetence has turned us from one of the premier NFL franchises into a fucking laughingstock.
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Maybe they take a 3rd and we can sign him long term. This team badly needs someone on the outside
Then trade Zeitler for a 3rd
No, we should under no circumstances walk into a draft where we are again looking at a top 5 pick and trade one of our 5 picks left. This idea is fucking crazy. Teams don't do this at 1-6 for good reason.
^^^^^^^ 100% ^^^^^^^
If a contending team wants and needs a starting guard, they are not getting away with a 6th rounder.
Also how is Mara allowing these talks to be had LOL
My guess is that we've already shopped Tate and Zeitler and found that we can't get anything for either of them. The offers we received for Engram and Tomlinson were also less than what we were willing to accept.
Yup, he sure did.
Exactly, if they sign him to a long term deal here’s your next Burress. Big Golladay fan.
And another guy with a different sort of track record completely mocked him for it.
Also how is Mara allowing these talks to be had LOL
I see this, too.
But I think there is also an underlying message - Mara/Gettleman think they are still in the hunt for the Least and believe adding a very competent WR will significantly help.
Can't say it's totally crazy. But is "winning" the Least with 5 or 6 wins really a good year?
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And another guy with a different sort of track record completely mocked him for it.
Charlotte man strikes again
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mentioned this last week.
And another guy with a different sort of track record completely mocked him for it.
who?
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mentioned this last week.
I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?
Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.
Assuming we have a contract agreement in place, I'll do Golladay for Engram, Tate, and Zeitler. Or maybe Golladay for Engram and Tomlinson.
if it's draft picks I'd imagine they'd want a 3rd+ and that I'd pass on. You can find good WR's in FA.
He's really good, but the idea of trading for him when he'll be a FA at year end is incredibly stupid.
It really is time to take the car keys away from Gettleman, who should have been shown the door with Shurmur.
He's really good, but the idea of trading for him when he'll be a FA at year end is incredibly stupid.
So selling their best WR doesn't make sense, especially for Patricia and Quinn...very likely trying to keep their jobs.
Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....
Am I nuts?
Engram is not comparable value plus they have Hockenson.
Tomlinson? Maybe, he's one of the few guys who date back to the Reese era but he is a defensive captain currently.
I'm just not sure I see a fit for a deal here.
Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....
Am I nuts?
No, I would do that as well.
Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....
Am I nuts?
If the above was the case i think you absolutely do It. We have a handful of DT/DEs, not so much WR. Even if we don’t come to an agreement with KG this off-season(in this scenario we absolutely should), what’s the damage? You let LW walk which theoretically we were going to anyway
The Lions only won last weekend because Golladay made plays.
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mentioned this last week.
I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?
Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.
Because it DG. Because he traded assets last year for a FA to be? I mean, I get it.. we desperately need a wr. But it seems like you either trade a pick for a guy with a long term contract or sign a guy in FA. Not trade picks for a guy becoming a FA. This isn’t the only wr around. Yes he’s good but ... the draft is full of good wr. Other teams seem to find them every year.
So selling their best WR doesn't make sense, especially for Patricia and Quinn...very likely trying to keep their jobs.
Agreed. I don't see this happening, but can't believe we'd be "buyers" again in FA.
Who's the moron?
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
That's the issue for me. And your out your mind if you think Golladay is going for a 3rd. The media barely talks about the guy and he's a better player than Cooper who grabbed a first. Their asking price would certainly be a first, but maybe a second in our case. If they would take two 3rd's and Engram I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I agree with your latter point though and I think this defense is a CB and edge from being very, very good and the only way you can get edge these days is in the draft or trade a boatload of picks. Trade away a second and then we might see ourselves force the edge with our top pick which is exactly where you don't want to be long-term. I think having your first two picks in the draft is huge as it gives you more leeway of not forcing need.
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I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
No, he doesn’t
Yeah unless Patricia has been given some insurances no way he's a seller. I think a lot of this is getting driven by the fact he's from the "Bill Belichik" tree.
Who's the moron?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
Ya that was pretty unnecessary.
Anyone that can't see that has already quit on this year and is already looking at next year.
We're going to trade for a WR who's a free agent at the end of year and will likely command what $15 million plus per year.
Brilliant!!!
why not draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd instead, save millions based on the rookie contract and/or sign Galladay this off-season if they really want to.
Or may DG is convinced we are one WR away from the playoffs.
He's really good, but the idea of trading for him when he'll be a FA at year end is incredibly stupid.
Also how is Mara allowing these talks to be had LOL
who says there is any discussion with the Lions about any of this? Consider the source... not credible at all
But...
The Giants need a #1 WR to work with Jones. So long as the Jets organization exists, they are going to pick #1. Now that might force Lawrence to go back to Clemson, but the bottom line is I don't think the Giants are going to give up on Jones just yet.
So for the Judge team to start winning, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to give a half of a season for Jones to start to build a connection with Golladay. Slayton is a nice WR, but more and more he's a #2 or #3 on a deep roster. Shepard is the underneath slot guy. Forget Tate, he's done. Golladay is more of a building block for the immediate future than Williams was last year in the trade.
Like GoDeep13 said above, for a 3rd I might have a tough time saying no to that. At some point the Giants need to start giving Jones some help out there. Now he turns 27 next week, he came in as an older rookie, so that might drive his price tag down. It will be interesting to see if they do anything.
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.
Who's the moron?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
Ya that was pretty unnecessary.
He’s a dink. But he does have the inside scoop on the big story this month ...WR Coleman being added to the practice squad.
Who's the moron?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
That post wasn’t directed at Rico. I believe Sonic Youth and Fatman had a disagreement.
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talking with the Lions last week about Golladay.
Who's the moron?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
That post wasn’t directed at Rico. I believe Sonic Youth and Fatman had a disagreement.
What? How do you come to that view?
But...
The Giants need a #1 WR to work with Jones. So long as the Jets organization exists, they are going to pick #1. Now that might force Lawrence to go back to Clemson, but the bottom line is I don't think the Giants are going to give up on Jones just yet.
So for the Judge team to start winning, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to give a half of a season for Jones to start to build a connection with Golladay. Slayton is a nice WR, but more and more he's a #2 or #3 on a deep roster. Shepard is the underneath slot guy. Forget Tate, he's done. Golladay is more of a building block for the immediate future than Williams was last year in the trade.
Like GoDeep13 said above, for a 3rd I might have a tough time saying no to that. At some point the Giants need to start giving Jones some help out there. Now he turns 27 next week, he came in as an older rookie, so that might drive his price tag down. It will be interesting to see if they do anything.
Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....
Am I nuts?
No, we need Golladay more.
Rico has been legit repeatedly, btw.
That would give them a very unique set of skill players and you could really play Engram to his strengths. Hockenson is emerging to what he is was hyped as and their other tight end is pretty good. They could go two tight ends all game giving you a lot of options as to what you want to do on offense. Really outside the box, but there's a certain logic to it for both teams. I think if Golladay is rumored to be shopped than its possible Patricia has been given certain assurances he'll get another year.
Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....
Am I nuts?
I would absolutely do that in one second.
We knew the state of our wrs. This was no surprise.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
That post wasn’t directed at Rico. I believe Sonic Youth and Fatman had a disagreement.
I also think it was between Sonic and FMIC
Stop
We already have 2 div losses. One more and we are done.
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mentioned this last week.
I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?
Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.
Golladay IS a FA at the end of the year. It's the Leonard Williams trade all over again.
Both on expiring contracts. We are still with at least 3 competent starters at DT/DE up front. Golladay fills a bigger hole. Next contract would probably be similar to what LW wants....
Am I nuts?
No, your trade would make more sense than trading a draft pick.
We knew the state of our wrs. This was no surprise.
Hggins was taken before our second round pick. He was the first pick of the second round.
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and here we are talking about trading picks for a receiver. DG Could still have gone OL at 4 and grabbed a nice prospect in Claypool, Higgins or shenualt in the 2nd.
We knew the state of our wrs. This was no surprise.
Hggins was taken before our second round pick. He was the first pick of the second round.
Good catch.
For all you analytic geeks, Cray run on WRs this year...27 taken in 1st 5 rounds.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
Ya that was pretty unnecessary.
Typical of him, egg all over his face as always
2- The Giants plan to move down in the draft to accumulate some more picks.
I think we will be active in FA and fill a number of holes that way.
Who's the moron?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
Jesus.. FMiC should sit these next few plays out.
I love the Fatman when he's talking football, but far too often he's more interested in being snarky.
His not knowing, or respecting, Rico's history is odd, since Fats usually has the memory of an elephant when it comes to posters.
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Not if the plan is just hand the reins over to Abrams. This would be the perfect Giants Way of handling the situation.
I mean - that's the kind of shit they do over at Jints Central.
I agree Gettleman stinks but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and this is a nut we could use.
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DG's keys from him by this point, no?
Not if the plan is just hand the reins over to Abrams. This would be the perfect Giants Way of handling the situation.
I mean - that's the kind of shit they do over at Jints Central.
I'm aware of that but I'm in a hopeful mood today.
Who's the moron?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
you a fucking moron?
Maybe sleep it off
Can you imagine what this guy is like in real life?
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FatMan in Charlotte : 10/22/2020 11:48 pm : link : reply
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Maybe sleep it off
Can you imagine what this guy is like in real life?
Still can’t get over the gem he dropped after the loss to the cowboys: “So th is is the GMs fault?”
I agree Gettleman stinks but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and this is a nut we could use.
They can inquire but they aren’t trading Golloday for Leonard freaking Williams
Forget the money for a second. Barely anyone here is getting paid big bucks and the ones that are won't be here for much longer. Shepard is the only WR making any money and it isn't exactly a contract to begin with. Tate is done.
It's the LW thing all over again.
If the Lions aren't going to pay him - just buy in the offseason.
If there's one thing Jints Central should have learned from LW, it's that procuring these guys prior to FA hasn't helped them get these guys signed to long term deals.
Obviously Golladay would be kept on the franchise or transition tag, and they'd use the other tag on whichever DT they keep (if they can't agree to extension.)
I agree Gettleman stinks but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and this is a nut we could use.
Agree. If the deal is fair, we need to add talent. We need help putting points on the board. If Gettleman can get Golladay for a player and a later draft pick, do it. We need talent. Love to see Peppers involved.
Forget the money for a second. Barely anyone here is getting paid big bucks and the ones that are won't be here for much longer. Shepard is the only WR making any money and it isn't exactly a contract to begin with. Tate is done.
Excuses in making sub optimal transactions is how we got in this mess
It’s all we had to do this because or we can do this because.
Start a foundation on good decisions, not excuses
I’m fine with adding vet talent at WR, but we’ve seen first hand that trading for a guy and hoping to negotiate later doesn’t work.
It may be worth it to get a top WR for a few years, if you know what the contract will be. The problem with the LW trade is that it didn't come with a pre-arranged deal in place, and the Giants way overpaid for the tag, and the right to negotiate again with a guy who wants more than the Giants thought they would have to pay. You don't want that situation again with KG.
IF the pick (s) you give up AND the contract price is worth it, then go for it. As LW showed, trading just for the right of first negotiation is highly questionable.
He missed two games this year already with a hamstring. He missed 5 games his rookie year with a hamstring.
What if the edger rushers aren’t good? This is how you wind up with Cedric Jones.
It may be worth it to get a top WR for a few years, if you know what the contract will be. The problem with the LW trade is that it didn't come with a pre-arranged deal in place, and the Giants way overpaid for the tag, and the right to negotiate again with a guy who wants more than the Giants thought they would have to pay. You don't want that situation again with KG.
IF the pick (s) you give up AND the contract price is worth it, then go for it. As LW showed, trading just for the right of first negotiation is highly questionable.
Well said.
I recall very clearly how many at BBI said Gettleman would not have made the LW deal without some "gentleman's agreement" in place. And getting to a signed contract was going to be a mere formality since Gettleman was smart enough to flesh out the contract beforehand...
Gettleman...there is no substitute.
You have to offer a contract that beats the lure of Free Agency. His agent wouldn't be doing a good job if he advised him otherwise.
However, at the end of day, I think the Lions will.
It's rare a talent like KG becomes available at the age of 27.
This is the mystery behind the Sith!
Would you not do it for a 4th or 5th round pick? Or, as others have floated, a player (LW maybe) for player swap?
I said the same thing last April in the second round, specifically targeting Pittman Jr or Claypool. Woulda worked out well.
That's all you're getting guaranteed in the deal: the right to have Golladay for the remainder of 2020-21 and then the right to tag Golladay and have his services for 2021-22, and no further, for upwards of $18 million.
As noted above, he's not signing an extension when he's scheduled to become a UFA.
Detroit has a real chance to qualify for the playoffs. And it's probably a safe bet that Patricia and/or Quinn are on some thin ice. So they need to capitalize on this opportunity. Which means they are more likely buyers and not sellers (e.g. Golloday) before the deadline...
Golladay is an enormous talent and is very much in the mix of #1 WRs. I don't think you've seen enough of him. Having said that, I agree with bw that Detroit won't deal him. He's a foundational talent.
Turn those machines back on!! Selllll!!!
We traded JPP for BJ Hill (69th overall)...
We traded Ashtyn Davis (68th overall) for Leonard Williams...
Those trades of good players for mid round (3rd round) draft picks seem devastating to a rebuilding team in need of draft capital but hardly ever really are... I say do it even if it costs us a 3... everyone bitching about the LW trade is unreal... like that pick would have made this team better than LW? Insane. Give me KG for our 3rd round pick. Give me Sewell in round 1 defense in round 2 and let’s sign an Edge that makes it to the FA market
Tolerating those mistakes is tough to swallow, it suggests a considerable blind spot.
It's also not just about 2020, that's what a big chunk of BBI consistently fails to grasp.
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mentioned this last week.
I saw this last week and shook my head. DG thinks we are 1 player away.
Why does everyone always jump to this conclusion?
Perhaps the giants just want a wr. You might not get this same wr in fa.
Considering Golladay IS AN IMPENDING FREE AGENT, you can roll the fucking dice that you absolutely can get this same WR in FA. And if you can't, it will be because he wanted to sign somewhere else, which will also be the case if he was our FA instead of Detroit's.
It's insane.
Tolerating those mistakes is tough to swallow, it suggests a considerable blind spot.
It's also not just about 2020, that's what a big chunk of BBI consistently fails to grasp.
I hated that trade so much and I actually love Williams the player.
A third and a fifth. Those call option picks on cheap contracts are much needed.
If they'd gotten the extension done, I think alot of the handwringing would've subsided.
I'm working on it
That's all you're getting guaranteed in the deal: the right to have Golladay for the remainder of 2020-21 and then the right to tag Golladay and have his services for 2021-22, and no further, for upwards of $18 million.
As noted above, he's not signing an extension when he's scheduled to become a UFA.
Excellent analysis. I wouldn't do the trade unless it was for players only, and we worked out an extension with him, both of which are extremely unlikely. I also agree with JonC that we should just look early in the draft for a WR.
Interesting, thanks
Can't see it.
Detroit is not deep at WR. Amendola and Marvin Jones are pure complimentary parts. Unless you are high on this year's 5th round pick Quintez Cephus out of Wisconsin... ;)
Golladay makes them vertical. With him out, they are purely a horizontal offense...
Well it appears he was on top of this inside info a full blown week ago. Hopefully he shares more if able in future.
Certainly doesn't deserve to be cursed at and called a f-ing moron by belligerent posters like Fmic on this site. What an idiot.
disagree. he's every bit a top wr in this league.
that being said, i wouldn't give up anything earlier than a 4 and if you do the 4 you need to have a contract extension agreed on before the trade
One the other hand, any team trading for him should have a contract agreement in place BEFORE the trade. Only Gettleman would do it ass backwards.
They could also use a CB desperately.
One the other hand, any team trading for him should have a contract agreement in place BEFORE the trade. Only Gettleman would do it ass backwards.
That’s assuming the Lions don’t sign any free agents. Who they sign will impact the comp pick formula
All this is of course dependent on getting him signed as part of the deal. I would not let him remain a FA at the end of the year.
Have some of you taken a class from Gettleman on how not to rebuild a roster?
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but I'd agree he's not the player to pay #1 dollars.
disagree. he's every bit a top wr in this league.
that being said, i wouldn't give up anything earlier than a 4 and if you do the 4 you need to have a contract extension agreed on before the trade
If he's a top WR in the NFL, the price tag is much higher, like a #1 draft pick and more.