NFT: MLB: Indians Place RP Brad Hand on Waivers

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including Lindor.

John Sabol
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#Indians payroll cuts this offseason are underway. This should be a surprise to no one. Expect the Tribe to trim about $40-$50M this winter which includes the eventual trade of Lindor.
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Hand a job.

Ginn and a lottery ticket like Newton for Lindor, thanks! Expand it for Carrasco if possible.

Ryan Fagan
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This is crazy. Hand went 16-for-16 in save opportunities this year (leading the AL), with a 1.37 FIP, 0.773 WHIP and 7.25 K/BB. He's an absolute bargain at $10 million.

Guess I'll start writing my "where will Cleveland trade Francisco Lindor" article right damn now.

someone is going to get a steal. I cant imagine they couldnt just trade him for a prospect though. WOudl still save the salary right?

which tells you what they think the FA market is going to be like this winter.

Wonder if the Yankes turn down Britton's 2-year option (at $13M/per)

In comment 15028333 Italianju said:

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someone is going to get a steal. I cant imagine they couldnt just trade him for a prospect though. WOudl still save the salary right?

Mets are 10th but 9 in front of them are all mostly small market teams, legit shot he falls to them.

predict he's picked up by the Red Sox, they are rebuilding but he's a potential future trade chip.

In comment 15028327 DanMetroMan said:

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Ginn and a lottery ticket like Newton for Lindor, thanks! Expand it for Carrasco if possible.

I liked the JD Davis, Rosario, Baty rumor a bit more. Would rather give up Rosario than Gimenez. Lindor is a star, but he's also an upcoming FA

In comment 15028350 KDavies said:

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In comment 15028327 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Ginn and a lottery ticket like Newton for Lindor, thanks! Expand it for Carrasco if possible. I liked the JD Davis, Rosario, Baty rumor a bit more. Would rather give up Rosario than Gimenez. Lindor is a star, but he's also an upcoming FA

Not realistic. JD Davis and Rosario are making about 6 million dollars in 2021. Indians are cutting a very good reliever making 10. They are going to want VERY cheap and many years of control. Not 28 year old Davis and taking back cash.

Sox hire Tony LaRussa

cost from any team on Lindor will be 1-2 top prospects that either haven't played yet or haven't played much. They will want 5-6 years of control, not taking back millions.

Who Cleveland's owner is right, what more do you need to know

no one has money. The word on the Yankees is that Cashman can choose between DJ or Tanaka, but that's it. The Yankees will not be players in free agency this year. I would figure lots of players are going to be taking 1 year deals and hoping for fans in the stands in 2021. And I'm sure the "C" word is going to be used at some point.

I'll miss Tanaka, but it's pretty easy to foresee a young starting staff falling in line behind Cole: Sevy, German, Garcia, Monty, Schmidt.

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is probably the 3rd best SP on the market. I'd love him as an option for the Mets.

has done for the Yanks. But if it is between DJLM and Masa...there really isn't any question it will by MLB batting champion.

would be a real nice start to the Cohen era.

order

Pittsburgh, Texas, Detroit, Boston, Baltimore, Arizona, KC, Colorado, LAA, Mets


On paper, I see Boston, Colorado and LAA as the most likely to snipe him.

but would really love it if they could bring Paxton back on a super cheap 1 year provide it deal. Based on his injury history, recent injury and innefectivenss this year something in the range of $6-8 Million for 1 year might get it done.

is going to be really ugly. The shame of it is that the game is in excellent shape in terms of young talent. Lots of eyeballs locked in on an exciting playoffs, and some really good momentum for the game.

They should start the negotiations in earnest now. Of course, they won't. That's pie in the sky.

In comment 15028424 bigbluehoya said:

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is going to be really ugly. The shame of it is that the game is in excellent shape in terms of young talent. Lots of eyeballs locked in on an exciting playoffs, and some really good momentum for the game. They should start the negotiations in earnest now. Of course, they won't. That's pie in the sky.

100% agree. If the owners were smart they would make a proactive positive gesture of completely opening the books to player's association leadership and start outlining a revenue's linked model emulating the NHL or NBA. Some form of a cap floor linked to team revenues, some form of a ceiling/luxury tax, etc. The major complicating factor is the wild difference in revenues team to team based on attendance, but they should be able to figure that out with a more variable cap floor tied to team revenues and big market to small market revenue sharing.

all sides need to admit the current system sucks and just copy the other leagues to create a viable system going forward - giving each side some of the things they want (like a quicker path to UFA for the players, which they deserve).

But of course none of that will happen. this offseason will be a blood bath that only increases hostility heading into labor talks that were already going to be extremely hostile even when revenues were projecting upward instead of downward.

Remember that Polanco is their only guaranteed salary on their payroll (about $11.5M), with some arbitration cases. Their estimated payroll is only $55M.

They can pick him up, let him close for 4 months, then trade him and only be on the hook for about $6- 6.5M. Not bad for getting an asset for free.

have multiple appealing pieces, they could have a busy off-season.

But I seriously doubt that the Indians simply cut Hand without seeing if they could get something for him in a trade. (Anything is better than nothing.)

If that's the case it could well mean that ALL the teams passed and NO team is going to claim him for $10M.

Am I missing something?

In comment 15028333 Italianju said:

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someone is going to get a steal. I cant imagine they couldnt just trade him for a prospect though. WOudl still save the salary right?

Seriously makes no sense to me. Maybe there's some bonus they wouldn't have been able to get out of? Boggles the mind - and feel bad for their fans.

In comment 15028451 DanMetroMan said:

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have multiple appealing pieces, they could have a busy off-season.

There was 16 former Pirates in the playoffs, they're basically a major league feeder system at this point. Glasnow, Cole, Happ, Meadows, Morton, etc.

The Indians are just straight waiving him. If things are that bad MLB should force them to sell the team.

In comment 15028476 JoeMoney19 said:

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The Indians are just straight waiving him. If things are that bad MLB should force them to sell the team.

You're forgetting that the owners took a big hit financially from Covid this year. No way MLB forces an owner to sell the team simply for trying to cut a little payroll in a down year.

And the more I think of it, the more telling it is that the Indians couldn't find a single trade partner for Hand. If no team was even willing to give up a few marginal prospects for Hand, what makes anyone think that any team is going to claim him on waivers and take on the $10M contract?

In comment 15028315 Pete in MD said:

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Hand a job.

Unless he’s a jerkoff

I am shocked Atlanta didn't at least offer a lesser prospect for Hand. They traded a lot two seasons ago for Melancon, Shane Greene, and Chris Martin. Melancon and Greene are both free agents which has freed up over $20 million.

He hasn’t aged a bit since we last saw him in the dugout.

In comment 15028334 Tesla said:

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which tells you what they think the FA market is going to be like this winter. Wonder if the Yankes turn down Britton's 2-year option (at $13M/per)

They picked it up.
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In comment 15028596 bceagle05 said:

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He hasn’t aged a bit since we last saw him in the dugout.

I’m pulling for him. Apparently all the analytics geeks in the front office are upset about this and I’m really hoping an old school baseball man tells them to shove it up their asses and leads them to great things. I’m a big analytics guy when it comes to certain things but I think it’s out of control in baseball. It’s ruining the game. Baseball is supposed to be entertainment, the extent that these analytics have taken over the game may potentially lead to winning more if used properly, but it’s certainly not making the game more enjoyable. I don’t tune in to a game to watch a battle of the computers.

Cora’s been rumored back to the Sox too.

Katie Sharp
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Zack Britton 2020:
76 batters faced, 12 H, 0 HR, 4 ER, .482 OPS

Brad Hand 2020:
86 batters faced, 13 H, 0 HR, 5 ER, .486 OPS