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Interesting call on Gallman run in 4th quarter vs Eagles.

BVP10 : 10/29/2020 1:28 pm
I know the game has passed but interesting take on this by the guys at fantasy pros on Gallmans run on 1st and 10 where he gains nine yards but the refs give him the 1st down. Who know how this would have played out.





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The refs were terrible in the fourth quarter of the game.  
St. Jimmy : 10/29/2020 1:40 pm : link
Tons of quick whistles. I checked the stats the next day and was surprised to see Wentz did not have a fumble. I'm not sure what happened on the 2 point conversion there. I guess that is why the Giants weren't allowed to return the fumble. I figured they were in contact with an Eagle when they were on the ground. Apparently it never happened or two point conversions don't get added to the stats. The whistle did take forever when Jones had three guys on him in the fourth quarter.
whats the thinking?  
mattlawson : 10/29/2020 1:41 pm : link
if he doesnt get the first down the strategy changes and perhaps we win the game?
RE: whats the thinking?  
Eli Wilson : 10/29/2020 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15028332 mattlawson said:
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if he doesnt get the first down the strategy changes and perhaps we win the game?


The thinking is we can burn another 40 seconds off the clock, at least. Assuming we do eventually pick up the 1st down.
saw this in real time  
giants#1 : 10/29/2020 2:22 pm : link
Would be very curious to know if Judge knew he was short and if he considered challenging it.

And this is basically the opposite of what Vrabel did a few weeks ago. In that case, the Titans were trailing and (IIRC) their opposition similarly picked up 9(?) yards on 1st leading to a 2nd and 1(? it was definitely <5 yards). Instead of giving them an extra 1-2 chances to pick up the first (and kill 40 secs between each play), Vrabel forced the Titans into a 12 man penalty and gave them the 1st.

Boils down to the odds of converting a 2nd and 1 are >80% even with an offense as bad as the Giants (though Gallman was running well at that point).

RE: whats the thinking?  
giants#1 : 10/29/2020 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15028332 mattlawson said:
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if he doesnt get the first down the strategy changes and perhaps we win the game?


2nd and 1 gives us another play (or two):

1. Picks up the first on 2nd and 1 - Giants burn 40 more secs than if they had gotten the 1st
2. Stuffed on 2nd, picks up the first on 3rd and 1 - Giants burn 80 more secs than if they had gotten the 1st
3. <20% chance they get stuffed twice and have to punt, which is the only scenario that is worse than picking up the first immediately (and with hindsight, would've burned roughly the same amount of time since the 3rd down play I believe was the pass to Engram).
Doesnt Change Anything  
LTIsTheGreatest : 10/29/2020 2:37 pm : link
If Engram catches that pass on 3rd down, we win. Hands down. He dropped it, Eagles got the ball back and drove down and won the game
Penalty That Really Turned the Game Around  
LTIsTheGreatest : 10/29/2020 2:40 pm : link
was after the Giants went up 21-10 and they had Wentz sacked on 2nd down in the series right after. Giants got called for illegal contact. Instead of 3rd and long, it was a first down and Wentz hurled that 59 yard bomb to Hightower that really swung the momentum in Philly's favor
RE: Doesnt Change Anything  
giants#1 : 10/29/2020 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15028385 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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If Engram catches that pass on 3rd down, we win. Hands down. He dropped it, Eagles got the ball back and drove down and won the game


That's true. But let's assume we did challenge it and then picked up the 1st on the 2nd and 1.

Even if the next two plays go the same, I believe the 3rd down would've come after the 2 minute warning. Or at least forced the Eagles into using an extra TO. Either option increases the Giants chances of holding on.
RE: RE: whats the thinking?  
rnargi : 10/29/2020 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15028341 Eli Wilson said:
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In comment 15028332 mattlawson said:


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if he doesnt get the first down the strategy changes and perhaps we win the game?



The thinking is we can burn another 40 seconds off the clock, at least. Assuming we do eventually pick up the 1st down.


Not sure I agree, though at the time I was thinking exactly the same...it should have been second and 1. My thinking was they would have forced a minimum of 1 more time out used by the Eagles. Seeing as they had two when they got the ball back, and didn't even need to use one of them, who knows if it would have helped.
Yea, since they didn't need all the time/TOs  
giants#1 : 10/29/2020 3:15 pm : link
it may not have mattered. Though your play calling is going to be different with 1 TO rather than 2.
RE: whats the thinking?  
jvm52106 : 10/29/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15028332 mattlawson said:
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if he doesnt get the first down the strategy changes and perhaps we win the game?


TIME and play selection.. It gives us 30 seconds more to run off and at least one more play before the first down. It isn't a bad question as it does change strategy.
Giants also dropped an INT  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/29/2020 11:47 pm : link
would have iced it
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