Why is it other teams get this benefit of the doubt?
By that logic we could be 4-3. No?
Have you seen the way the Falcons have lost? I believe they have had at least two games where NextGen stats predicted they had 95% or > chance of winning...
That’s not fair at all. Both teams blew the game against Dallas (Giants had 2 TD’s called back). The Giants played the Steelers, Bears & Rams all well. Giants had the Philly game well.
I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt, but it is annoying when it is used as an excuse for the Falcons.
These are the same people that are quick to say the Skins game should have been a loss. Moving goal posts to support arguments, at least be consistent.
Have you seen how the Falcons have lost this season?
The underlying point is the Falcons aren't as bad as their record shows.
Right. I get the tactic after being around here all these years.
Yet, I still find the reaction very off. Like you have to add a qualifier by saying something good about NYG if you say something good about another team.
Since Judge and Rhule are directly competing against each other for wins, every loss Rhule gets is a win for Judge. It's important that we never lose sight of the fact that only one of them was the correct choice, and now we just have to wait for the answer to be unveiled.
Right. I get the tactic after being around here all these years.
Yet, I still find the reaction very off. Like you have to add a qualifier by saying something good about NYG if you say something good about another team.
Maybe something like...Phil Simms had a really good Super Bowl. By the way, the Falcons aren’t all that bad, they just lost some heartbreakers this year.
bw, you were not a Rhule fan if I recall - he would have been a “Giants Way” hire I remember you saying.
I like Rhule & Judge to this point.
That's all accurate. I wasn't a Rhule guy. Didn't see what the huge attraction was. But I've given him credit so far for the good work he's done in Carolina. That's a very tough division they are competing in
I think we will go 2-1 at minimum the rest of the way against the division, beat Cincy, and 1 of Cleveland/Arizona at home. That leaves 1 other win, against Tampa, or another division win.
It's not some ridiculous prediction. It's only 6 wins!
I think we will go 2-1 at minimum the rest of the way against the division, beat Cincy, and 1 of Cleveland/Arizona at home. That leaves 1 other win, against Tampa, or another division win.
It's not some ridiculous prediction. It's only 6 wins!
You dont't think that. You hope that. You are so overly optimistic at this point its bordering on parody.
I simply said the Falcons were a pretty good team. And they legitimately could have a better record based on some unbelievable losses.
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
Is it a stretch conclusion if people feel that way about this team?
It's putting lipstick on a pig. But if people are so starved to find anything to latch onto as a sign of hope then by all means.
But every team in the NFL is hard pressed to finds losses like Atlanta experienced versus Dallas, Chicago and Detroit. And they aren't even half way through the season...
going 5-4 down the stretch is not being "overly optimistic" i'm basing that on how i've seen the team play for the first 7 weeks.
Explain to me how a 1-6 team, with terrible offensive production, is suddenly going to go 5-4?
Based on what?
Seattle, Baltimore, Arizona, Tampa are all losses.
They are winning the other 5? LOL.
going 5-4 down the stretch is not being "overly optimistic" i'm basing that on how i've seen the team play for the first 7 weeks.
Explain to me how a 1-6 team, with terrible offensive production, is suddenly going to go 5-4?
Based on what?
Seattle, Baltimore, Arizona, Tampa are all losses.
They are winning the other 5? LOL.
omis, just yesterday you introduced yourself on a thread and said it was your first time posting. Since then, you are all over the place on multiple threads just as comfortable as can be. October 2020 registration. New posters don’t just jump in and suddenly act like they have been here forever unless they have been here forever. So, be honest, what was your old handle? Or handles?
I simply said the Falcons were a pretty good team. And they legitimately could have a better record based on some unbelievable losses.
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
Is it a stretch conclusion if people feel that way about this team?
It's putting lipstick on a pig. But if people are so starved to find anything to latch onto as a sign of hope then by all means.
But every team in the NFL is hard pressed to finds losses like Atlanta experienced versus Dallas, Chicago and Detroit. And they aren't even half way through the season...
So it's fair for you to put lipstick on a pig (or in this case a Falcon) but for others to have any comparable opinion it's "starved latching onto hope"?
Didn't all NYG fans witness a loss last Thursday exactly like the 3 you mentioned? And similar 2 weeks prior vs. Dallas when the NYG had 2 TDs taken off the board and Gallup came down with 2 prayers no different than Golladay vs. ATL this past Sunday?
Sorry just having a hard time squaring how the Falcons, who just fired their coach and haven't had a winning season since 2017 are a "pretty good team" but it's invalid for anyone to see progress in how Judge has had this team competing (w/o their best player since week 2).
going 5-4 down the stretch is not being "overly optimistic" i'm basing that on how i've seen the team play for the first 7 weeks.
Explain to me how a 1-6 team, with terrible offensive production, is suddenly going to go 5-4?
Based on what?
Seattle, Baltimore, Arizona, Tampa are all losses.
They are winning the other 5? LOL.
omis, just yesterday you introduced yourself on a thread and said it was your first time posting. Since then, you are all over the place on multiple threads just as comfortable as can be. October 2020 registration. New posters don’t just jump in and suddenly act like they have been here forever unless they have been here forever. So, be honest, what was your old handle? Or handles?
Can you link me the study?
I am a former Long Island football coach, have strong opinions. I take pride in not being a "normal" new poster.
I just think its nuts to predict 5-4 from here on out. What are your thoughts on that which are much more interesting to me on your views of message board posting habits.
So it's fair for you to put lipstick on a pig (or in this case a Falcon) but for others to have any comparable opinion it's "starved latching onto hope"?
Didn't all NYG fans witness a loss last Thursday exactly like the 3 you mentioned? And similar 2 weeks prior vs. Dallas when the NYG had 2 TDs taken off the board and Gallup came down with 2 prayers no different than Golladay vs. ATL this past Sunday?
Sorry just having a hard time squaring how the Falcons, who just fired their coach and haven't had a winning season since 2017 are a "pretty good team" but it's invalid for anyone to see progress in how Judge has had this team competing (w/o their best player since week 2).
Atlanta plays in the NFC South. Which I think we both can agree has more quality than the Least.
On the stats side...
Atlanta is 14th in the league at 26.1 PPG. We are 31st at 17.4.
Atlanta is giving up 28ppg on defense, 21st in the league. We are giving up 25ppg, 14th in the league.
On paper, Atlanta is the more complete team. And I would imagine we would also agree they are considerably more talented on offense. Yes?
I agree that we have had some tough losses. But those three losses Atlanta had are three statistical outliers. Do you see how they lost to Dallas, Chicago, and Detroit?
There was the insanity of the Dallas on-sides miracle comeback.
Giving up 20 to Chicago in the last six minutes of the game despite being up 16.
And then last week against Detroit when Gurley accidentally fell into the endzone for a TD, when going down at the one kills the clock, and that gave Detroit the opportunity to go 80 yards in a minute with no timeouts.
To me, those are just the strangest ways to lose NFL games. And all three happened in the last six weeks.
you realize the only NFCS team ATL has played is CAR, right?
and that 2 of the 3 losses you're holding up as outliers are also teams the Giants also lost close games to on the road w/ similarly bizarre circumstances?
To be clear I'm not taking a strong stand on either team being "pretty good" - you are entitled to whatever opinion you have.
Just don't understand how it's valid to call Atlanta "pretty good" while also thinking it's invalid for someone to make a positive judgement about the direction this NYG team is going without being "starved to latch onto hope" based on similar results. Seems like a double standard.
They put the stat up last night that Atlanta has three losses this season where they had a greater than 98% win probability. I don’t think that’s been the case with the Giants this year. I don’t watch the Falcons enough to know for certain but I really doubt they’re in the same class as the Giants. The Falcons has a legit NFL offense, just a bad D and shaky teams. They’re coaching has been bad too.
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The Falcons had a win probability as high as 98.7%, per ESPN's win probability model.
It was Atlanta's 3rd loss this season with a win probability of at least 98%, the most by a team in the last 20 seasons.
The rest of the NFL has 4 such losses combined this season.
On paper, Atlanta is the more complete team. And I would imagine we would also agree they are considerably more talented on offense. Yes?
I agree that we have had some tough losses. But those three losses Atlanta had are three statistical outliers. Do you see how they lost to Dallas, Chicago, and Detroit?
To me, those are just the strangest ways to lose NFL games. And all three happened in the last six weeks.
No doubt Atlanta has a much more complete offense. But statistical outlier? They lost three games in virtually the same fashion - 98% win probability - and then dump three games in last 6 minutes or less and two with biggish leads.
Those are not outliers. Those are trends and they were close again last night.
Atlanta has better talent then the Giants, but they are only 1 game better.
just pointing out that it's inconsistent to praise one team for competing hard and having close losses but not see validity to others who may do the same for another team whose circumstances and common losses are actually pretty similar.
that just seems to be a fundamentally hypocritical stance along with poor form to criticize the latter as "starved to latch onto hope".
also looks like the Giants odds of winning were 96.9% vs. PHI
just pointing out that it's inconsistent to praise one team for competing hard and having close losses but not see validity to others who may do the same for another team whose circumstances and common losses are actually pretty similar.
that just seems to be a fundamentally hypocritical stance along with poor form to criticize the latter as "starved to latch onto hope".
This is exactly right. When the Giants lose close games they are accused of being happy with “morale victories”. But a team that many expected to be a playoff team gets absolutely embarrassed late in games time after time after time is looked at as “wow, they could have 5 wins”. I guarantee you that if the Giants lost in the exact same way the Falcons have with the expectations they had, bw wouldn’t be singing their praises about how good they were. But rather, what an embarrassment they are
No doubt Atlanta has a much more complete offense. But statistical outlier? They lost three games in virtually the same fashion - 98% win probability - and then dump three games in last 6 minutes or less and two with biggish leads.
Those are not outliers. Those are trends and they were close again last night.
Atlanta has better talent then the Giants, but they are only 1 game better.
I'm not sure we are far apart here in our view. This losing late has become a very bad habit for ATL. But to lose in the fashions that they have over such a short span is the statistical outlier, IMV.
Just for the record, I said Atlanta was a pretty good team. That's all. Not a good team, a really good team or a great team. Just a pretty good team.
And, yes, I do find them to be a more complete team than the Giants. Why that bugs people is fascinating.
No doubt Atlanta has a much more complete offense. But statistical outlier? They lost three games in virtually the same fashion - 98% win probability - and then dump three games in last 6 minutes or less and two with biggish leads.
Those are not outliers. Those are trends and they were close again last night.
Atlanta has better talent then the Giants, but they are only 1 game better.
I'm not sure we are far apart here in our view. This losing late has become a very bad habit for ATL. But to lose in the fashions that they have over such a short span is the statistical outlier, IMV.
Just for the record, I said Atlanta was a pretty good team. That's all. Not a good team, a really good team or a great team. Just a pretty good team.
And, yes, I do find them to be a more complete team than the Giants. Why that bugs people is fascinating.
Because you kill the Giants/fans for being happy with morale victories while giving the Falcons a pass and looking at it that they could have 5 wins. Be consistent.
That’s the same thing we kept saying about Dallas...
And besides that, coaching didn’t cause that idiot to not jump on that onside kick. A five year old in his first season of flag football knows this. Coaching didn’t cause Gurley to go into the end zone after Matt Ryan told him before the play to make sure to go down and not score.
It seems like you’re moving the goalposts an awful lot
would you rather have Atlanta's roster to compete in the Least or stay with ours?
Are you talking about just the rest of this season or trajectory over the next few years? I don't think there's any question the NYG roster is younger and built to progress over the next few years whereas Atlanta is probably on the cusp of a rebuild.
Atlanta may be a little bit better right now because they have a veteran QB and 2 stud receivers he knows how to use. But Julio is 31 and breaking down and Ryan is 35. They are exiting their primes and haven't made the playoffs since 2017 because they have a non-competitive defense - so for anything beyond the next couple months I would definitely not swap rosters if at all.
And again - you continue to evade the fact that nobody is trying to compare the 2 rosters or insist you don't have the right to think they are a better team than their record, just your inconsistency when simultaneously being critical of anyone who feels the same re: the NYG. In fact given that the NYG lost their best player in week 2 and entered the season with a new coaching staff and 2nd year QB, it's a lot more understandable that they've struggled to close out games whereas Atlanta continues to invent new ways to lose more games than they win.
RE: Users here have literally said they're sold on Judge
At 1-6 and with plenty of botched late possessions.
Why does this thread exist?
I can honestly say, that with maybe one or two exceptions (which I dont remember immediately) that those botched late possessions were not blatantly faulty coaching. I seem to remembering questioning some offensive play calls (which is Garrett to be fair....not Judge), but it wasnt clear whether the entire play just sucked or if it was that the line collapsed and/or receivers couldnt get open.
So I didnt read the whole thread Ten Ton, and am not in favor of ragging on Rhule when he has had far better results in Carolina than Judge, I just think any attacks on Judge or even this whole team of players and coaches this year is just not fair. Many of us said they get a mulligan this year before the season started and now many of those people are moonwalking out of that stance. I get it, we all want results because we have seen a sad product for a decade now. But I think Judge has even acknowledged the fact that the team he has was never going to compete for anything with no offseason and that this would be a year of "evaluation." What happened to all that talk?
The only thing I am certain of and hopefully ownership is certain of is that this roster of players assembled after 3 years of Gettlman is very poor with very very few exceptions.
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also got knocked out while they were driving for a go-ahead score.
Too early to judge any of these guys definitively - but threads like these are silly.
This thread was to point how silly the threads anointing him the next Parcells a few weeks ago were silly. It too early to Judge (no pun intended)
No one did that
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also got knocked out while they were driving for a go-ahead score.
Too early to judge any of these guys definitively - but threads like these are silly.
This thread was to point how silly the threads anointing him the next Parcells a few weeks ago were silly. It too early to Judge (no pun intended)
No one did that
Bull Shit
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but the Falcons are a pretty good team.
They could easily be 4-4 or 5-3...easily.
Why is it other teams get this benefit of the doubt?
By that logic we could be 4-3. No?
Have you seen the way the Falcons have lost? I believe they have had at least two games where NextGen stats predicted they had 95% or > chance of winning...
So, no.
I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt, but it is annoying when it is used as an excuse for the Falcons.
These are the same people that are quick to say the Skins game should have been a loss. Moving goal posts to support arguments, at least be consistent.
Have you seen how the Falcons have lost this season?
The underlying point is the Falcons aren't as bad as their record shows.
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also got knocked out while they were driving for a go-ahead score.
Too early to judge any of these guys definitively - but threads like these are silly.
This thread was to point how silly the threads anointing him the next Parcells a few weeks ago were silly. It too early to Judge (no pun intended)
No one did that
Bull Shit
Here is the thread. Point out the post saying he is the next parcels or other over the top praise
Link - ( New Window )
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
It's seemingly perceived as an unsaid shot against the NY Giants. I guess?
Yet, I still find the reaction very off. Like you have to add a qualifier by saying something good about NYG if you say something good about another team.
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
Is it a stretch conclusion if people feel that way about this team?
Yet, I still find the reaction very off. Like you have to add a qualifier by saying something good about NYG if you say something good about another team.
Maybe something like...Phil Simms had a really good Super Bowl. By the way, the Falcons aren’t all that bad, they just lost some heartbreakers this year.
thoughts?
I like Rhule & Judge to this point.
I would say either the same or they'd be winless
I like Rhule & Judge to this point.
That's all accurate. I wasn't a Rhule guy. Didn't see what the huge attraction was. But I've given him credit so far for the good work he's done in Carolina. That's a very tough division they are competing in
If you just keep predicting a deluge of wins, it's bound to happen eventually, right?
It's not some ridiculous prediction. It's only 6 wins!
It's not some ridiculous prediction. It's only 6 wins!
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I simply said the Falcons were a pretty good team. And they legitimately could have a better record based on some unbelievable losses.
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
Is it a stretch conclusion if people feel that way about this team?
It's putting lipstick on a pig. But if people are so starved to find anything to latch onto as a sign of hope then by all means.
But every team in the NFL is hard pressed to finds losses like Atlanta experienced versus Dallas, Chicago and Detroit. And they aren't even half way through the season...
Explain to me how a 1-6 team, with terrible offensive production, is suddenly going to go 5-4?
Based on what?
Seattle, Baltimore, Arizona, Tampa are all losses.
They are winning the other 5? LOL.
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going 5-4 down the stretch is not being "overly optimistic" i'm basing that on how i've seen the team play for the first 7 weeks.
Explain to me how a 1-6 team, with terrible offensive production, is suddenly going to go 5-4?
Based on what?
Seattle, Baltimore, Arizona, Tampa are all losses.
They are winning the other 5? LOL.
omis, just yesterday you introduced yourself on a thread and said it was your first time posting. Since then, you are all over the place on multiple threads just as comfortable as can be. October 2020 registration. New posters don’t just jump in and suddenly act like they have been here forever unless they have been here forever. So, be honest, what was your old handle? Or handles?
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I simply said the Falcons were a pretty good team. And they legitimately could have a better record based on some unbelievable losses.
If people paid attention to what's going on around the rest of the league, they would realize that's not a stretch conclusion.
Is it a stretch conclusion if people feel that way about this team?
It's putting lipstick on a pig. But if people are so starved to find anything to latch onto as a sign of hope then by all means.
But every team in the NFL is hard pressed to finds losses like Atlanta experienced versus Dallas, Chicago and Detroit. And they aren't even half way through the season...
So it's fair for you to put lipstick on a pig (or in this case a Falcon) but for others to have any comparable opinion it's "starved latching onto hope"?
Didn't all NYG fans witness a loss last Thursday exactly like the 3 you mentioned? And similar 2 weeks prior vs. Dallas when the NYG had 2 TDs taken off the board and Gallup came down with 2 prayers no different than Golladay vs. ATL this past Sunday?
Sorry just having a hard time squaring how the Falcons, who just fired their coach and haven't had a winning season since 2017 are a "pretty good team" but it's invalid for anyone to see progress in how Judge has had this team competing (w/o their best player since week 2).
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going 5-4 down the stretch is not being "overly optimistic" i'm basing that on how i've seen the team play for the first 7 weeks.
Explain to me how a 1-6 team, with terrible offensive production, is suddenly going to go 5-4?
Based on what?
Seattle, Baltimore, Arizona, Tampa are all losses.
They are winning the other 5? LOL.
omis, just yesterday you introduced yourself on a thread and said it was your first time posting. Since then, you are all over the place on multiple threads just as comfortable as can be. October 2020 registration. New posters don’t just jump in and suddenly act like they have been here forever unless they have been here forever. So, be honest, what was your old handle? Or handles?
Can you link me the study?
I am a former Long Island football coach, have strong opinions. I take pride in not being a "normal" new poster.
I just think its nuts to predict 5-4 from here on out. What are your thoughts on that which are much more interesting to me on your views of message board posting habits.
So it's fair for you to put lipstick on a pig (or in this case a Falcon) but for others to have any comparable opinion it's "starved latching onto hope"?
Didn't all NYG fans witness a loss last Thursday exactly like the 3 you mentioned? And similar 2 weeks prior vs. Dallas when the NYG had 2 TDs taken off the board and Gallup came down with 2 prayers no different than Golladay vs. ATL this past Sunday?
Sorry just having a hard time squaring how the Falcons, who just fired their coach and haven't had a winning season since 2017 are a "pretty good team" but it's invalid for anyone to see progress in how Judge has had this team competing (w/o their best player since week 2).
Atlanta plays in the NFC South. Which I think we both can agree has more quality than the Least.
On the stats side...
Atlanta is 14th in the league at 26.1 PPG. We are 31st at 17.4.
Atlanta is giving up 28ppg on defense, 21st in the league. We are giving up 25ppg, 14th in the league.
On paper, Atlanta is the more complete team. And I would imagine we would also agree they are considerably more talented on offense. Yes?
I agree that we have had some tough losses. But those three losses Atlanta had are three statistical outliers. Do you see how they lost to Dallas, Chicago, and Detroit?
There was the insanity of the Dallas on-sides miracle comeback.
Giving up 20 to Chicago in the last six minutes of the game despite being up 16.
And then last week against Detroit when Gurley accidentally fell into the endzone for a TD, when going down at the one kills the clock, and that gave Detroit the opportunity to go 80 yards in a minute with no timeouts.
To me, those are just the strangest ways to lose NFL games. And all three happened in the last six weeks.
To be clear I'm not taking a strong stand on either team being "pretty good" - you are entitled to whatever opinion you have.
Just don't understand how it's valid to call Atlanta "pretty good" while also thinking it's invalid for someone to make a positive judgement about the direction this NYG team is going without being "starved to latch onto hope" based on similar results. Seems like a double standard.
It was Atlanta's 3rd loss this season with a win probability of at least 98%, the most by a team in the last 20 seasons.
The rest of the NFL has 4 such losses combined this season.
On paper, Atlanta is the more complete team. And I would imagine we would also agree they are considerably more talented on offense. Yes?
I agree that we have had some tough losses. But those three losses Atlanta had are three statistical outliers. Do you see how they lost to Dallas, Chicago, and Detroit?
To me, those are just the strangest ways to lose NFL games. And all three happened in the last six weeks.
No doubt Atlanta has a much more complete offense. But statistical outlier? They lost three games in virtually the same fashion - 98% win probability - and then dump three games in last 6 minutes or less and two with biggish leads.
Those are not outliers. Those are trends and they were close again last night.
Atlanta has better talent then the Giants, but they are only 1 game better.
that just seems to be a fundamentally hypocritical stance along with poor form to criticize the latter as "starved to latch onto hope".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401220259 - ( New Window )
that just seems to be a fundamentally hypocritical stance along with poor form to criticize the latter as "starved to latch onto hope".
This is exactly right. When the Giants lose close games they are accused of being happy with “morale victories”. But a team that many expected to be a playoff team gets absolutely embarrassed late in games time after time after time is looked at as “wow, they could have 5 wins”. I guarantee you that if the Giants lost in the exact same way the Falcons have with the expectations they had, bw wouldn’t be singing their praises about how good they were. But rather, what an embarrassment they are
No doubt Atlanta has a much more complete offense. But statistical outlier? They lost three games in virtually the same fashion - 98% win probability - and then dump three games in last 6 minutes or less and two with biggish leads.
Those are not outliers. Those are trends and they were close again last night.
Atlanta has better talent then the Giants, but they are only 1 game better.
I'm not sure we are far apart here in our view. This losing late has become a very bad habit for ATL. But to lose in the fashions that they have over such a short span is the statistical outlier, IMV.
Just for the record, I said Atlanta was a pretty good team. That's all. Not a good team, a really good team or a great team. Just a pretty good team.
And, yes, I do find them to be a more complete team than the Giants. Why that bugs people is fascinating.
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No doubt Atlanta has a much more complete offense. But statistical outlier? They lost three games in virtually the same fashion - 98% win probability - and then dump three games in last 6 minutes or less and two with biggish leads.
Those are not outliers. Those are trends and they were close again last night.
Atlanta has better talent then the Giants, but they are only 1 game better.
I'm not sure we are far apart here in our view. This losing late has become a very bad habit for ATL. But to lose in the fashions that they have over such a short span is the statistical outlier, IMV.
Just for the record, I said Atlanta was a pretty good team. That's all. Not a good team, a really good team or a great team. Just a pretty good team.
And, yes, I do find them to be a more complete team than the Giants. Why that bugs people is fascinating.
Because you kill the Giants/fans for being happy with morale victories while giving the Falcons a pass and looking at it that they could have 5 wins. Be consistent.
We are losing games mostly do to talent.
That's an important distinction.
We are losing games mostly do to talent.
That's an important distinction.
That’s the same thing we kept saying about Dallas...
And besides that, coaching didn’t cause that idiot to not jump on that onside kick. A five year old in his first season of flag football knows this. Coaching didn’t cause Gurley to go into the end zone after Matt Ryan told him before the play to make sure to go down and not score.
It seems like you’re moving the goalposts an awful lot
Are you talking about just the rest of this season or trajectory over the next few years? I don't think there's any question the NYG roster is younger and built to progress over the next few years whereas Atlanta is probably on the cusp of a rebuild.
Atlanta may be a little bit better right now because they have a veteran QB and 2 stud receivers he knows how to use. But Julio is 31 and breaking down and Ryan is 35. They are exiting their primes and haven't made the playoffs since 2017 because they have a non-competitive defense - so for anything beyond the next couple months I would definitely not swap rosters if at all.
And again - you continue to evade the fact that nobody is trying to compare the 2 rosters or insist you don't have the right to think they are a better team than their record, just your inconsistency when simultaneously being critical of anyone who feels the same re: the NYG. In fact given that the NYG lost their best player in week 2 and entered the season with a new coaching staff and 2nd year QB, it's a lot more understandable that they've struggled to close out games whereas Atlanta continues to invent new ways to lose more games than they win.
Why does this thread exist?
I can honestly say, that with maybe one or two exceptions (which I dont remember immediately) that those botched late possessions were not blatantly faulty coaching. I seem to remembering questioning some offensive play calls (which is Garrett to be fair....not Judge), but it wasnt clear whether the entire play just sucked or if it was that the line collapsed and/or receivers couldnt get open.
So I didnt read the whole thread Ten Ton, and am not in favor of ragging on Rhule when he has had far better results in Carolina than Judge, I just think any attacks on Judge or even this whole team of players and coaches this year is just not fair. Many of us said they get a mulligan this year before the season started and now many of those people are moonwalking out of that stance. I get it, we all want results because we have seen a sad product for a decade now. But I think Judge has even acknowledged the fact that the team he has was never going to compete for anything with no offseason and that this would be a year of "evaluation." What happened to all that talk?
The only thing I am certain of and hopefully ownership is certain of is that this roster of players assembled after 3 years of Gettlman is very poor with very very few exceptions.
I agree. Comparing his first 7 weeks to Rhule's is stupid. Both seem to be better coaches than their predecessors.
Ron Rivera has been a pretty good coach in his career.
We are losing games mostly do to talent.
That's an important distinction.
Good post.
Debating about 10 different guys on here and holding more than your own...well done.