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afann : 10/30/2020 5:44 am
I have a question for those that might know. Can Cohen just go build a stadium somewhere else? Can he just say F this and move the team to somewhere like the meadowlands?
My guess...  
KDavies : 10/30/2020 6:28 am : link
I believe they could move with league approval. I don’t believe de Blasio could stop the Mets from moving, but they could sue the Mets for unpaid lease.

Regardless, it’s not going to come to that. NYC would be fools for getting into an expensive, pointless legal battle to prevent one of their MLB teams from getting better. All this at a time when NYC and the state’s fiscal issues are further exacerbated by the pandemic. Someone will talk some sense into the mayor

You mean move the team  
Giantsfan79 : 10/30/2020 7:33 am : link
Or build a stadium somewhere else in NYC? Either way, sure how could it not be finished by March
In my opinion  
SJGiant : 10/30/2020 7:44 am : link
The only quick way to play somewhere else is to share Yankee Stadium. Cohen cannot make any threats until the owners vote is complete. I understand your frustration with the mayor.
Yeah  
afann : 10/30/2020 7:51 am : link
He’s gong to build a stadium by March, such a stupid response. Obviously, find a place to play while building. Point is can he just basically say FU de bozo and walk away., He has the money. Thanks to the other responses!
DiBlassio has no legal standing to do anything  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/30/2020 10:03 am : link
...the law he cites says that a team with a stadium on NYC owned land can't be sold to "any person that has been convicted in a criminal proceeding for a felony or any crime involving moral turpitude."

Cohen was never convicted of any crime. The law says what it says.
Cohen  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:14 am : link
can't build a stadium somewhere else. The Mets baseball team has a 40-year lease to play their home games at CitiField. Without the city (aka the people he's dealing with right now) allowing them out of the lease, the Mets will play at CitiField. There is no out clause. Under normal circumstances, the owner would negotiate with the city a break in the lease, in this case that obviously wouldn't be an option
Quote from @JoePantorno on relocation  
JB_in_DC : 10/30/2020 10:17 am : link
For those saying Steve Cohen should just threaten to pick the #Mets up and move them to play hardball:
1) No
2) There's a non-relocation clause in that '06 lease agreement
Link - ( New Window )
If any mayor wants to make an issue he can but something that flimsy  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 10:18 am : link
won't work and will do nothing more than make this whole situation look back (for the instigating party). It's just going to be a waste of time. There's almost certainly no precedent for utilizing the statute that way for pro sports (or else we'd all recall it) and the grounds they are citing seem borderline frivolous since I don't believe Cohen ever had any charges even filed against him personally and I'm also pretty sure SAC didn't even need to admit any guilt (they just paid the fine).

But again, there's a reason the post is the only paper that ran this as if it were a legitimate case. There's also a reason the mayors office didn't release a statement with any teeth. It's a desperate PR maneuver, and just the most recent in string this summer against Cohen. Why the mayor is indulging it at all is beyond me but I'd imagine he has no affinity for Cohen and doesn't mind getting a small shot in.

Cohen will get approved and the team will be his.
Hearing  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:20 am : link
multiple teams ahead of the Mets are considering Hand but if he falls to 10 and we pass I'll be very disappointed in the first "decision" of Sandy's return.
The Post  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 10:21 am : link
is not the only one to print the story.

It's on cbssports, nj.com, espn, newsday, etc.

maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.
RE: The Post  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 15029027 pjcas18 said:
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is not the only one to print the story.

It's on cbssports, nj.com, espn, newsday, etc.

maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.


I have to agree with PJ here. Maybe people are arguing 2 different points ie the Mayor's stance is bluster and the "story" will end up being a non-factor but this isn't a fabricated story in the sense a writer at the post "invented it".
Source  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:24 am : link
close to Cohen (per Joe Pantorno) is "fingers crossed" in terms of the 1:30 vote.
Thanks  
afann : 10/30/2020 10:30 am : link
Everyone. These answer were what I was looking for.
the Post owns the direct quotes they sourced (pasted below)  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 10:36 am : link
not any of the other organizations who simply covered "the news" they claimed to be breaking.

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But what the mayor has said publicly and what he has told people inside city government appear to be at odds, and multiple sources have told The Post the mayor has been pushing the city’s lawyers to find a way to halt Cohen’s sale by using a clause buried in the Citi Field lease.

“The ‘due diligence’ line is bulls–t,” a source familiar with City Hall told The Post Wednesday. “He’s told [Major League] Baseball he doesn’t want Cohen and he’s told his Law Department to find a way to stop it.”


a) a source "familiar with City Hall" is relatively weak - that's reporter speak for not someone in an actual official capacity. Could it describe an aggrieved party familiar with the negotiations who also happens to know there are normal due diligence steps the city goes through on any large transaction? Has there been an aggrieved party leaking about Cohen relentlessly for the past 6-12 months?

b) I don't believe any other news organization has confirmed a single source (let alone multiple or more direct) corroborating the alleged motivation in that quote - and the mayor's own release explicitly denied it. They could of course be lying but it doesn't change the fact that the uncorroborated quotes above from the post appear to be the entire basis to affix the motive.

In fact, haven't most of the other sources you mentioned who have reported on this directly contradicted this quote saying that they've heard from people familiar with the deal that they don't expect it to stop the deal?
De Blasio asserts control over $2.475 billion deal to sell Mets to Steve Cohen - ( New Window )
RE: RE: The Post  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 15029031 DanMetroMan said:
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is not the only one to print the story.

It's on cbssports, nj.com, espn, newsday, etc.

maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.



I have to agree with PJ here. Maybe people are arguing 2 different points ie the Mayor's stance is bluster and the "story" will end up being a non-factor but this isn't a fabricated story in the sense a writer at the post "invented it".


It's not that the story is fabricated - it's the allegations and quotes within the story (which I haven't seen backed up anywhere else - only quoted from the post's report). I have no doubts there's a due diligence process the city goes through on any major sale - and the official press release confirmed that and nothing more from the post's story.

I can guarantee you if someone is attempting to throw around allegations on this story they aren't only talking to a single outlet so it is always a red flag on any story if other news organizations don't corroborate (or dispute the motives as has happened in this case).

It also tells you how concerned Manfred is about the call he had with Deblasio that the vote is seemingly going on as scheduled.
Eric-  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:50 am : link
Pantorno said Cohen's camp is prepared to sue the Mayor if he does indeed block this which would indicate internally (and not via the Post) that the Mayor is trying some shenanigans and not purely due diligence. Martino also confirmed the posts story. Quite frankly (100% not aimed at you at all) I'm tired of this story. 1:30 I want him approved (not a complete lock) and I want the Mayor to stop being a tool and give approval.
So any time  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 10:53 am : link
you see an unnamed source that gets referenced in other stories, you assume the original writer(s) fabricated it?

Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.

The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.
Senator  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 10:55 am : link
has CONFIRMED she's been involved in "negotiations" with Cohen, she was also heavily involved in the Amazon talks that fell apart...
Ramos  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:00 am : link
wrote an op-ed in July "Mets fans deserve better than Steve Cohen"
how much money would it cost to fight Cohen in court...  
Italianju : 10/30/2020 11:01 am : link
like how can he even begin to justify that. I mean with what is going on in NY and the country right now i cant believe this is a fight he should be taking on. Use his time, his offices time, etc.... on things that matter more then if a guy he doesnt like owns a team that happens to play in his city.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:01 am : link
like Hand isn't happening even if he's there at 10.
is MLB finances in such bad shape that a team...  
Italianju : 10/30/2020 11:03 am : link
like the Red Sox (Or even the Mets) cant absorb an all star player for 10 mill.
RE: So any time  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 15029082 pjcas18 said:
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you see an unnamed source that gets referenced in other stories, you assume the original writer(s) fabricated it?

Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.

The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.


Where did I say the source was fabricated?

There's a difference between fabrication and being willing to quote someone who may not be credible or have an axe to grind. Every outlet has different journalistic standards on what they are willing to publish.

Am I wrong that no other organization has been able to confirm those quotes or publish similar beyond just quoting the post's report? Honest question because that's what I have not seen and it is far preferred when publishing something to get your own direct confirmation than rely on someone else's reporting.
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:04 am : link
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
Replying to
@philpiv

@NickReisman
and 2 others
A little more complex than that. Fans only have to worry about the team and as a fellow fan I want it done quick too, but I’m also the senator and I have to worry about the workers, the stadium, the land, and the surrounding area. I’m gonna keep doing my job.
So  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:08 am : link
yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.
RE: Eric-  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 15029078 DanMetroMan said:
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Pantorno said Cohen's camp is prepared to sue the Mayor if he does indeed block this which would indicate internally (and not via the Post) that the Mayor is trying some shenanigans and not purely due diligence. Martino also confirmed the posts story. Quite frankly (100% not aimed at you at all) I'm tired of this story. 1:30 I want him approved (not a complete lock) and I want the Mayor to stop being a tool and give approval.


Of course they are prepared to take legal action - this entire transaction is a legal action. The mayor confirmed the factual basis of the posts story (call with Manfred) so there is no dispute that there is a due diligence process going on.

There hasn't been any confirmation that deblasio made a threat or is acting on a motive to sink the deal. That is the uncorroborated allegation in the posts direct quote that is thinly sourced and has not been corroborated.

And I'm 100% with you - I also want it to go away and was worried about this when it first broke because Deblasio is an unpredictable moron. But when nobody else can back up a key part of the accusation and MLB is proceeding on their final approval without delay, the odds begin to favor the most likely scenario as nothing more than another hit piece against Cohen. Probably from the same source as the previous hit pieces against Cohen.
RE: So  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 15029107 DanMetroMan said:
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yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.


Has MLB delayed the vote? Until that happens there's no reason for concern, and considering it's like 2 hours away it would seem unlikely to happen.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:10 am : link
Jessica Ramos all but acknowledged it today. She also previously wrote an entire article against Cohen owning the Mets.
RE: RE: So  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 15029112 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15029107 DanMetroMan said:


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yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.



Has MLB delayed the vote? Until that happens there's no reason for concern, and considering it's like 2 hours away it would seem unlikely to happen.


MLB's stance is this is unrelated. They want zero intermingling of governmental issues. That the deal is contingent on Cohen gaining access to the lease. 100% (theoretically) possible he gets approval but does not get the lease and the deal is off.
RE: RE: So any time  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 15029101 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15029082 pjcas18 said:


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you see an unnamed source that gets referenced in other stories, you assume the original writer(s) fabricated it?

Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.

The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.



Where did I say the source was fabricated?

There's a difference between fabrication and being willing to quote someone who may not be credible or have an axe to grind. Every outlet has different journalistic standards on what they are willing to publish.

Am I wrong that no other organization has been able to confirm those quotes or publish similar beyond just quoting the post's report? Honest question because that's what I have not seen and it is far preferred when publishing something to get your own direct confirmation than rely on someone else's reporting.


Many stories that cite the NY Post will follow it up and say something like this - that sure seems to me like trying to independently verify the Post - but I see stories literally every day that cite unnamed sources "with direct knowledge" or even sometimes not and multiple other stories cite the original:

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...Asked twice by reporters whether he thought Cohen was a fit owner, De Blasio declined to comment.

“When we’re in the middle of a legal review, which again is our fiduciary responsibility as a city to do this, it’s not appropriate to be commenting on the people involved,” the Democrat mayor said.

De Blasio confirmed he had called baseball commissioner Rob Manfred to discuss the matter....
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 15029113 DanMetroMan said:
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Jessica Ramos all but acknowledged it today. She also previously wrote an entire article against Cohen owning the Mets.


She is a queens state senator? How much power do you think any individual state senator has? They can do all the due diligence they are entitled to by law but they can't just disrupt a deal because they don't like somebody.
Bottom line-  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:12 am : link
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
I don’t want Steve Cohen to be #SeenIn13. He doesn’t deserve us or the @Mets
! A quick look at his career raises red flag after red flag. If @MLB
is serious about beginning to change their legacy, they’ll step right up and say no to Cohen.
RE: RE: Eric  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 15029117 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15029113 DanMetroMan said:


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Jessica Ramos all but acknowledged it today. She also previously wrote an entire article against Cohen owning the Mets.



She is a queens state senator? How much power do you think any individual state senator has? They can do all the due diligence they are entitled to by law but they can't just disrupt a deal because they don't like somebody.


She's "credited" as being a driving force in killing the Amazon deal, so it sounds like a pretty significant amount.
Dan it is totally intermingled  
bhill410 : 10/30/2020 11:17 am : link
The moment the owners approve the sale it’s then solely a matter between the Mets ownership group and city. Given the somewhat dubious standing of the city’s stance the city loses massive leverage once the owners vote. Right now they are essentially saying you need to settle this before 130 or you risk losing the vote.

What leverage nyc does have is even more mitigated by the likliehood the fans won’t be there to start season permitting Cohen to have the team play in Brooklyn while this is settled if an injunction isn’t granted (which it would be).

But I do agree that it’s effing exhausting. It’s been now a full year of Mets fans being dragged along with uncertainty. Ramos and deblasio can go pound sand.
PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:18 am : link
and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:

1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken

Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 15029125 Eric on Li said:
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and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:

1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken

Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.


I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.

I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
She's  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:23 am : link
actually responding to me on twitter (I retweeted her views on Cohen lol)

Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
Replying to
@WexlerRules
Yes, and we’re past that point now. If it’s gonna be Cohen, fine. No matter who it is, they need to do right by us. That’s it.
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:25 am : link
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
Replying to
@WexlerRules

@philpiv
and 6 others
Yeah, that’s what I just said. Problem is Cohen is silent on my community
Neutral face
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:26 am : link
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
·
4m
Yeah totally and this all doesn’t have to be so sensationalized by the press but it is what it is. I’m not hiding what I’m fighting for. I expect our new neighbor to step up or I’m going to be a thorn in their side, esp when I go to Mets games
Winking face
do we know what it is she...  
Italianju : 10/30/2020 11:28 am : link
is expecting from "her new neighbor". I mean if she is just trying to get Cohen to pay attention to her so she can do some good in her area, i dont hate that. But if she is doing this because she doesnt like Cohen (Deblasio seems to be in this boat) then i dont respect that at all.
understandably not as much coverage as Brad Hand...  
KDavies : 10/30/2020 11:29 am : link
but Darren O'Day's option was not picked up. 38 next year, but 1.10 ERA this year. May be worth a look
RE: understandably not as much coverage as Brad Hand...  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 15029144 KDavies said:
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but Darren O'Day's option was not picked up. 38 next year, but 1.10 ERA this year. May be worth a look


like 8 years too late since they cut him, but the Mets could definitely use him.
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:31 am : link
Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
Replying to
@jessicaramos

@philpiv
and 6 others
I mean while we are on the subject, where was the push to prompt the Wilpons to do more for the community? They received the land on a sweetheart deal and Willets Point is still the butt of jokes. understand there is leverage now, but it seems as if the Wilpons got off scot free
11:23 AM · Oct 30, 2020·Twitter Web App


Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
·
1m
Replying to
@WexlerRules

@philpiv
and 6 others
I wasn’t an elected official back then so I wasn’t in those conversations. I’m an elected official now and we have a better opportunity now so I’m gonna focus on now.
RE: RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:32 am : link
In comment 15029131 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15029125 Eric on Li said:


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and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:

1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken

Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.



I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.

I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).


Yes this is 100% how news works - that's why it's an industry most people don't trust. But the simplest way to determine whether something being reported is trustworthy is if it's independently confirmed by other outlets. That's generally the biggest red flag for any big story because the bigger the story the more other organizations there are trying to confirm whatever they can on it or break new details.

I agree with the 2nd paragraph as well btw. It sounds like that state senator is a crusader and deblasio is a moron, so it wouldn't shock me if he wants to insert himself. But the grounds for him to do so appear so flimsy I don't see any concerning factual basis right now (especially if MLB also doesn't see any reason to be concerned and votes anyway).

The other fact in this situation is that there have been constant leaks against Cohen. So there is a plausible explanation as to why there has been a constant drumbeat of BS being leaked out through the media.
RE: understandably not as much coverage as Brad Hand...  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:32 am : link
In comment 15029144 KDavies said:
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but Darren O'Day's option was not picked up. 38 next year, but 1.10 ERA this year. May be worth a look


One of the worst moves they have made in recent years, not kidding. One start to lose a reliever who has been good for almost a decade.
lol  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:37 am : link
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
·
7m
Replying to
@WexlerRules
and
@Mets
From your mouth to God’s ears, bro.
It sounds like DeBlasio ‘s real goal  
Vanzetti : 10/30/2020 11:38 am : link
Is to sway owners not to vote for Cohen. He knows he won’t win a lawsuit but if he creates enough bad press, he hopes they will vote against him

Problem for the mayor is he is generally considered a buffoon so he is unlikely to sway owners
RE: It sounds like DeBlasio ‘s real goal  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:42 am : link
In comment 15029156 Vanzetti said:
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Is to sway owners not to vote for Cohen. He knows he won’t win a lawsuit but if he creates enough bad press, he hopes they will vote against him

Problem for the mayor is he is generally considered a buffoon so he is unlikely to sway owners


Is that deblasio's goal, or the goal of the person "familiar with city hall" who sourced the story in the first place?

if only there were some credible suspects who have been trying to sink the deal with Cohen over the last several months...
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:43 am : link
Zero insight, just a guy on the internet but here's guessing that A-Rod and JLO smartly pledged xyz to the city, Flushing, and Willets Point development if the team were sold to them
RE: RE: RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking  
pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 15029147 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15029131 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15029125 Eric on Li said:


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and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:

1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken

Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.



I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.

I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).



Yes this is 100% how news works - that's why it's an industry most people don't trust. But the simplest way to determine whether something being reported is trustworthy is if it's independently confirmed by other outlets. That's generally the biggest red flag for any big story because the bigger the story the more other organizations there are trying to confirm whatever they can on it or break new details.

I agree with the 2nd paragraph as well btw. It sounds like that state senator is a crusader and deblasio is a moron, so it wouldn't shock me if he wants to insert himself. But the grounds for him to do so appear so flimsy I don't see any concerning factual basis right now (especially if MLB also doesn't see any reason to be concerned and votes anyway).

The other fact in this situation is that there have been constant leaks against Cohen. So there is a plausible explanation as to why there has been a constant drumbeat of BS being leaked out through the media.


the use of unnamed sources is a very small part of why the public doesn't trust the media.

it's more about activism and agendas which I doubt is the goal of the Post in this case. At best you can claim the Post is the useful idiot, but I don't see them having an agenda.

the public distrusts the media because of the forced narrative based on what stories they even cover or ignore.

I won't expand on this so this thread doesn't get locked like the other one, but that's my opinion.
more from Deblasio - my guess is approval comes shortly after the vote  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:45 am : link
Quote:
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
Bill de Blasio did not say anything new about the Mets sale during his weekly appearance on WNYC.

"We’ll have a resolution very soon," he said, repeating what he said all week.

OK, but when?

“Real soon means real soon."
It’s DeBlasio  
Vanzetti : 10/30/2020 11:48 am : link
NYP obviously doesn’t like the mayor and is driving the story. But Deblasios comments at his press conference also gives legs to the story.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:51 am : link
Mayor again said a resolution is expected "soon" but wouldn't say more.
Reading that Cohen might have to offer concessions  
Metnut : 10/30/2020 11:51 am : link
like the Mets funding/supporting local queens little leagues in low income areas and let citi field be used more by the community on non game days.

All no brainers and stuff Cohen would easily agree to.
Rays decline options on Zunino and Morton  
KDavies : 10/30/2020 11:52 am : link
I want no part of Zunino unless cheap (and maybe as backup). Guy is lucky to hit .200.

Morton could be interesting as a 2nd SP signing, behind a Bauer or more likely Stroman.
My  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:53 am : link
take is, it sounds like the Wilpons resisted doing much in terms of helping the area and the city didn't have any leverage. Now they do and want to squeeze as much out of Cohen as they can. Quite frankly, I "get it". I just wish Lurch was more transparent. Ramos has been.
RE: RE: RE: RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 15029164 pjcas18 said:
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the use of unnamed sources is a very small part of why the public doesn't trust the media.

it's more about activism and agendas which I doubt is the goal of the Post in this case. At best you can claim the Post is the useful idiot, but I don't see them having an agenda.

the public distrusts the media because of the forced narrative based on what stories they even cover or ignore.

I won't expand on this so this thread doesn't get locked like the other one, but that's my opinion.


You seem to be attributing things to me that I haven't stated.

I never said the post had an agenda, I said they have lower reporting standards than others and I backed up that claim with what I believe is a fact that in this case no other outlets have corroborated the key quote that everyone got worried and that the quote itself was sourced as an indirect participant (not an actual govt official).

I don't believe this has anything to do with a biased agenda from the post. Their business model embraces provocative stories and that's what they did here. They got a bunch of clicks, someone got their quote in the paper, and when/if this passes without incident it's one more story that turned out to be more sensationalized than it needed to be that makes everyone trust journalism a little less than the day before. Rinse and repeat.
RE: Rays decline options on Zunino and Morton  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 15029178 KDavies said:
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I want no part of Zunino unless cheap (and maybe as backup). Guy is lucky to hit .200.

Morton could be interesting as a 2nd SP signing, behind a Bauer or more likely Stroman.


Zunino is straight trash. We have Nido. Morton isn't an option. Won't leave Florida, more likely going to retire.
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 11:57 am : link
I just corresponded via e-mail with someone I trust and I completely 100% believe Steve Cohen will receive approval to take over the lease assuming he receives the necessary votes. I now have zero doubt. 100% down to the owners vote. My "source" works for the city and not any connections to the league, so they have no owners vote insight.
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Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15029186 DanMetroMan said:
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I just corresponded via e-mail with someone I trust and I completely 100% believe Steve Cohen will receive approval to take over the lease assuming he receives the necessary votes. I now have zero doubt. 100% down to the owners vote. My "source" works for the city and not any connections to the league, so they have no owners vote insight.


Thank you for posting. Every minute we get closer to the owner's vote without delay it seems clear that this story, like the others before it, was someone's attempt to torpedo Cohen the same way they have torpedo'd our enjoyment of the Mets franchise for the past 2 decades.
They  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 12:03 pm : link
said "100%" chance the city gives approval if the owners do. They admitted (as I said above) they aren't even huge baseball fans and know nothing regarding that side of things but that the Mayor is doing "what he should" but how he's doing it has been quite poor.
RE: They  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15029193 DanMetroMan said:
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said "100%" chance the city gives approval if the owners do. They admitted (as I said above) they aren't even huge baseball fans and know nothing regarding that side of things but that the Mayor is doing "what he should" but how he's doing it has been quite poor.


Deblasio gonna Deblasio.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 12:08 pm : link
have zero doubts now that Cohen will own the Mets if he gets the 23 votes. Fingers crossed.
DMM  
JB_in_DC : 10/30/2020 12:17 pm : link
thanks for sharing that info and the back and forth with Ramos haha. Agreed with your impression that she's simply leveraging for some easily agreed to concessions for the community. No issues with that on my end - and based on Cohen's earlier payments to Citi Field staff, I doubt there's any issue.

Deblasio's motives less clear of course. Likely just pointless squawking that serves no-one and accomplishes nothing (so par for the course for him). And Cohen winds up the owner.
Some good intel from Martino on Cohen/Alderson plans  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 12:23 pm : link
most of this sounds good to me, unfortunate that the Brad Hand thing may not work out due to timing. But at the same time the Mets did just make some moves the other day so I don't see why they couldn't tell BVW to make the claim if the deal hasn't closed yet but Cohen has gotten his final approval from today's vote?
The East Coast Dodgers with two GMs? Here’s what happens to Mets right after Steve Cohen approval - ( New Window )
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 12:29 pm : link
on his podcast mentioned Owens, DePo, Ricciardi, Heck, Woodfork as candidates to join the Mets. Owens has interest from LAA, as does Ricciardi.
what do people like about Ricciardi?  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 12:35 pm : link
I thought it seemed like most thought he was just cashing a check but he seems to continue to have offers out there?
RE: what do people like about Ricciardi?  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15029234 Eric on Li said:
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I thought it seemed like most thought he was just cashing a check but he seems to continue to have offers out there?


Great question. Keith Law fucking hates him (they worked together), he openly hated the idea of spending on international FA's etc, very smug (not that Law isn't smug) lol
RE: RE: what do people like about Ricciardi?  
Eric on Li : 10/30/2020 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15029238 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15029234 Eric on Li said:


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I thought it seemed like most thought he was just cashing a check but he seems to continue to have offers out there?



Great question. Keith Law fucking hates him (they worked together), he openly hated the idea of spending on international FA's etc, very smug (not that Law isn't smug) lol


yea he must be smart in some way to continue getting offers - especially since his rep doesn't seem great. Maybe just one of those guys who is intelligent but rubs others the wrong way? Or maybe peers are just jealous of him getting cushy gigs? Just don't see Sandy or Cohen just handing out scholarships.
Matz  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 1:17 pm : link
Is a no brainer non tender in this market
Done  
Shecky : 10/30/2020 1:27 pm : link
Why they pushing for the “community”, who could have a stake in that. Lol
Shecky what’s done?  
bhill410 : 10/30/2020 1:31 pm : link
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RE: Done  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15029283 Shecky said:
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Why they pushing for the “community”, who could have a stake in that. Lol


I'm not pushing for anything but given the fact one of the richest men in the world is "coming to the neighborhood" they wouldn't be doing their duty to try and push for xyz. This is much like the Amazon deal which sadly (in my view) fell apart. The implication is the (soon to be previous) owners did NOTHING for the neighborhood, that's the concern of politicians. Not the Mets.,
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DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15029186 DanMetroMan said:
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I just corresponded via e-mail with someone I trust and I completely 100% believe Steve Cohen will receive approval to take over the lease assuming he receives the necessary votes. I now have zero doubt. 100% down to the owners vote. My "source" works for the city and not any connections to the league, so they have no owners vote insight.



Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Indications mayor de Blasio approval process coming along. Announcement could come in short order and expectation has long been it will be good news for saleS
Easy GIF to use here...  
Drewcon40 : 10/30/2020 1:37 pm : link
Meeting  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 1:39 pm : link
has begun
Gyorko  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 1:43 pm : link
a FA, I'd take him off the bench any day
Done  
DanMetroMan : 10/30/2020 1:45 pm : link
Approved
APPROVED  
Metnut : 10/30/2020 1:46 pm : link
WHOOOOO
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pjcas18 : 10/30/2020 1:46 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
· 23s
Steve Cohen Mets ownership bid has been approved by MLB owners
Approved!!  
RodneyHamp : 10/30/2020 1:46 pm : link
!!
O Happy Day!  
BigBlueNH : 10/30/2020 2:23 pm : link
may a new era of winning Mets baseball commence immediately.
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