I have a question for those that might know. Can Cohen just go build a stadium somewhere else? Can he just say F this and move the team to somewhere like the meadowlands?
I believe they could move with league approval. I don’t believe de Blasio could stop the Mets from moving, but they could sue the Mets for unpaid lease.
Regardless, it’s not going to come to that. NYC would be fools for getting into an expensive, pointless legal battle to prevent one of their MLB teams from getting better. All this at a time when NYC and the state’s fiscal issues are further exacerbated by the pandemic. Someone will talk some sense into the mayor
The only quick way to play somewhere else is to share Yankee Stadium. Cohen cannot make any threats until the owners vote is complete. I understand your frustration with the mayor.
He’s gong to build a stadium by March, such a stupid response. Obviously, find a place to play while building. Point is can he just basically say FU de bozo and walk away., He has the money. Thanks to the other responses!
...the law he cites says that a team with a stadium on NYC owned land can't be sold to "any person that has been convicted in a criminal proceeding for a felony or any crime involving moral turpitude."
Cohen was never convicted of any crime. The law says what it says.
can't build a stadium somewhere else. The Mets baseball team has a 40-year lease to play their home games at CitiField. Without the city (aka the people he's dealing with right now) allowing them out of the lease, the Mets will play at CitiField. There is no out clause. Under normal circumstances, the owner would negotiate with the city a break in the lease, in this case that obviously wouldn't be an option
For those saying Steve Cohen should just threaten to pick the #Mets up and move them to play hardball:
1) No
2) There's a non-relocation clause in that '06 lease agreement Link - ( New Window )
If any mayor wants to make an issue he can but something that flimsy
won't work and will do nothing more than make this whole situation look back (for the instigating party). It's just going to be a waste of time. There's almost certainly no precedent for utilizing the statute that way for pro sports (or else we'd all recall it) and the grounds they are citing seem borderline frivolous since I don't believe Cohen ever had any charges even filed against him personally and I'm also pretty sure SAC didn't even need to admit any guilt (they just paid the fine).
But again, there's a reason the post is the only paper that ran this as if it were a legitimate case. There's also a reason the mayors office didn't release a statement with any teeth. It's a desperate PR maneuver, and just the most recent in string this summer against Cohen. Why the mayor is indulging it at all is beyond me but I'd imagine he has no affinity for Cohen and doesn't mind getting a small shot in.
multiple teams ahead of the Mets are considering Hand but if he falls to 10 and we pass I'll be very disappointed in the first "decision" of Sandy's return.
maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.
I have to agree with PJ here. Maybe people are arguing 2 different points ie the Mayor's stance is bluster and the "story" will end up being a non-factor but this isn't a fabricated story in the sense a writer at the post "invented it".
not any of the other organizations who simply covered "the news" they claimed to be breaking.
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But what the mayor has said publicly and what he has told people inside city government appear to be at odds, and multiple sources have told The Post the mayor has been pushing the city’s lawyers to find a way to halt Cohen’s sale by using a clause buried in the Citi Field lease.
“The ‘due diligence’ line is bulls–t,” a source familiar with City Hall told The Post Wednesday. “He’s told [Major League] Baseball he doesn’t want Cohen and he’s told his Law Department to find a way to stop it.”
a) a source "familiar with City Hall" is relatively weak - that's reporter speak for not someone in an actual official capacity. Could it describe an aggrieved party familiar with the negotiations who also happens to know there are normal due diligence steps the city goes through on any large transaction? Has there been an aggrieved party leaking about Cohen relentlessly for the past 6-12 months?
b) I don't believe any other news organization has confirmed a single source (let alone multiple or more direct) corroborating the alleged motivation in that quote - and the mayor's own release explicitly denied it. They could of course be lying but it doesn't change the fact that the uncorroborated quotes above from the post appear to be the entire basis to affix the motive.
maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.
I have to agree with PJ here. Maybe people are arguing 2 different points ie the Mayor's stance is bluster and the "story" will end up being a non-factor but this isn't a fabricated story in the sense a writer at the post "invented it".
It's not that the story is fabricated - it's the allegations and quotes within the story (which I haven't seen backed up anywhere else - only quoted from the post's report). I have no doubts there's a due diligence process the city goes through on any major sale - and the official press release confirmed that and nothing more from the post's story.
I can guarantee you if someone is attempting to throw around allegations on this story they aren't only talking to a single outlet so it is always a red flag on any story if other news organizations don't corroborate (or dispute the motives as has happened in this case).
It also tells you how concerned Manfred is about the call he had with Deblasio that the vote is seemingly going on as scheduled.
Pantorno said Cohen's camp is prepared to sue the Mayor if he does indeed block this which would indicate internally (and not via the Post) that the Mayor is trying some shenanigans and not purely due diligence. Martino also confirmed the posts story. Quite frankly (100% not aimed at you at all) I'm tired of this story. 1:30 I want him approved (not a complete lock) and I want the Mayor to stop being a tool and give approval.
like how can he even begin to justify that. I mean with what is going on in NY and the country right now i cant believe this is a fight he should be taking on. Use his time, his offices time, etc.... on things that matter more then if a guy he doesnt like owns a team that happens to play in his city.
you see an unnamed source that gets referenced in other stories, you assume the original writer(s) fabricated it?
Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.
The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.
Where did I say the source was fabricated?
There's a difference between fabrication and being willing to quote someone who may not be credible or have an axe to grind. Every outlet has different journalistic standards on what they are willing to publish.
Am I wrong that no other organization has been able to confirm those quotes or publish similar beyond just quoting the post's report? Honest question because that's what I have not seen and it is far preferred when publishing something to get your own direct confirmation than rely on someone else's reporting.
@NickReisman
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A little more complex than that. Fans only have to worry about the team and as a fellow fan I want it done quick too, but I’m also the senator and I have to worry about the workers, the stadium, the land, and the surrounding area. I’m gonna keep doing my job.
yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.
Pantorno said Cohen's camp is prepared to sue the Mayor if he does indeed block this which would indicate internally (and not via the Post) that the Mayor is trying some shenanigans and not purely due diligence. Martino also confirmed the posts story. Quite frankly (100% not aimed at you at all) I'm tired of this story. 1:30 I want him approved (not a complete lock) and I want the Mayor to stop being a tool and give approval.
Of course they are prepared to take legal action - this entire transaction is a legal action. The mayor confirmed the factual basis of the posts story (call with Manfred) so there is no dispute that there is a due diligence process going on.
There hasn't been any confirmation that deblasio made a threat or is acting on a motive to sink the deal. That is the uncorroborated allegation in the posts direct quote that is thinly sourced and has not been corroborated.
And I'm 100% with you - I also want it to go away and was worried about this when it first broke because Deblasio is an unpredictable moron. But when nobody else can back up a key part of the accusation and MLB is proceeding on their final approval without delay, the odds begin to favor the most likely scenario as nothing more than another hit piece against Cohen. Probably from the same source as the previous hit pieces against Cohen.
yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.
Has MLB delayed the vote? Until that happens there's no reason for concern, and considering it's like 2 hours away it would seem unlikely to happen.
yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.
Has MLB delayed the vote? Until that happens there's no reason for concern, and considering it's like 2 hours away it would seem unlikely to happen.
MLB's stance is this is unrelated. They want zero intermingling of governmental issues. That the deal is contingent on Cohen gaining access to the lease. 100% (theoretically) possible he gets approval but does not get the lease and the deal is off.
you see an unnamed source that gets referenced in other stories, you assume the original writer(s) fabricated it?
Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.
The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.
Where did I say the source was fabricated?
There's a difference between fabrication and being willing to quote someone who may not be credible or have an axe to grind. Every outlet has different journalistic standards on what they are willing to publish.
Am I wrong that no other organization has been able to confirm those quotes or publish similar beyond just quoting the post's report? Honest question because that's what I have not seen and it is far preferred when publishing something to get your own direct confirmation than rely on someone else's reporting.
Many stories that cite the NY Post will follow it up and say something like this - that sure seems to me like trying to independently verify the Post - but I see stories literally every day that cite unnamed sources "with direct knowledge" or even sometimes not and multiple other stories cite the original:
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...Asked twice by reporters whether he thought Cohen was a fit owner, De Blasio declined to comment.
“When we’re in the middle of a legal review, which again is our fiduciary responsibility as a city to do this, it’s not appropriate to be commenting on the people involved,” the Democrat mayor said.
De Blasio confirmed he had called baseball commissioner Rob Manfred to discuss the matter....
Jessica Ramos all but acknowledged it today. She also previously wrote an entire article against Cohen owning the Mets.
She is a queens state senator? How much power do you think any individual state senator has? They can do all the due diligence they are entitled to by law but they can't just disrupt a deal because they don't like somebody.
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
I don’t want Steve Cohen to be #SeenIn13. He doesn’t deserve us or the @Mets
! A quick look at his career raises red flag after red flag. If @MLB
is serious about beginning to change their legacy, they’ll step right up and say no to Cohen.
Jessica Ramos all but acknowledged it today. She also previously wrote an entire article against Cohen owning the Mets.
She is a queens state senator? How much power do you think any individual state senator has? They can do all the due diligence they are entitled to by law but they can't just disrupt a deal because they don't like somebody.
She's "credited" as being a driving force in killing the Amazon deal, so it sounds like a pretty significant amount.
The moment the owners approve the sale it’s then solely a matter between the Mets ownership group and city. Given the somewhat dubious standing of the city’s stance the city loses massive leverage once the owners vote. Right now they are essentially saying you need to settle this before 130 or you risk losing the vote.
What leverage nyc does have is even more mitigated by the likliehood the fans won’t be there to start season permitting Cohen to have the team play in Brooklyn while this is settled if an injunction isn’t granted (which it would be).
But I do agree that it’s effing exhausting. It’s been now a full year of Mets fans being dragged along with uncertainty. Ramos and deblasio can go pound sand.
PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking
and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking
and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.
I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
actually responding to me on twitter (I retweeted her views on Cohen lol)
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
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@WexlerRules
Yes, and we’re past that point now. If it’s gonna be Cohen, fine. No matter who it is, they need to do right by us. That’s it.
Jessica Ramos
@jessicaramos
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Yeah totally and this all doesn’t have to be so sensationalized by the press but it is what it is. I’m not hiding what I’m fighting for. I expect our new neighbor to step up or I’m going to be a thorn in their side, esp when I go to Mets games
Winking face
is expecting from "her new neighbor". I mean if she is just trying to get Cohen to pay attention to her so she can do some good in her area, i dont hate that. But if she is doing this because she doesnt like Cohen (Deblasio seems to be in this boat) then i dont respect that at all.
understandably not as much coverage as Brad Hand...
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I mean while we are on the subject, where was the push to prompt the Wilpons to do more for the community? They received the land on a sweetheart deal and Willets Point is still the butt of jokes. understand there is leverage now, but it seems as if the Wilpons got off scot free
11:23 AM · Oct 30, 2020·Twitter Web App
Jessica Ramos
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I wasn’t an elected official back then so I wasn’t in those conversations. I’m an elected official now and we have a better opportunity now so I’m gonna focus on now.
RE: RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking
and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.
I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
Yes this is 100% how news works - that's why it's an industry most people don't trust. But the simplest way to determine whether something being reported is trustworthy is if it's independently confirmed by other outlets. That's generally the biggest red flag for any big story because the bigger the story the more other organizations there are trying to confirm whatever they can on it or break new details.
I agree with the 2nd paragraph as well btw. It sounds like that state senator is a crusader and deblasio is a moron, so it wouldn't shock me if he wants to insert himself. But the grounds for him to do so appear so flimsy I don't see any concerning factual basis right now (especially if MLB also doesn't see any reason to be concerned and votes anyway).
The other fact in this situation is that there have been constant leaks against Cohen. So there is a plausible explanation as to why there has been a constant drumbeat of BS being leaked out through the media.
RE: understandably not as much coverage as Brad Hand...
Zero insight, just a guy on the internet but here's guessing that A-Rod and JLO smartly pledged xyz to the city, Flushing, and Willets Point development if the team were sold to them
RE: RE: RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking
and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.
I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
Yes this is 100% how news works - that's why it's an industry most people don't trust. But the simplest way to determine whether something being reported is trustworthy is if it's independently confirmed by other outlets. That's generally the biggest red flag for any big story because the bigger the story the more other organizations there are trying to confirm whatever they can on it or break new details.
I agree with the 2nd paragraph as well btw. It sounds like that state senator is a crusader and deblasio is a moron, so it wouldn't shock me if he wants to insert himself. But the grounds for him to do so appear so flimsy I don't see any concerning factual basis right now (especially if MLB also doesn't see any reason to be concerned and votes anyway).
The other fact in this situation is that there have been constant leaks against Cohen. So there is a plausible explanation as to why there has been a constant drumbeat of BS being leaked out through the media.
the use of unnamed sources is a very small part of why the public doesn't trust the media.
it's more about activism and agendas which I doubt is the goal of the Post in this case. At best you can claim the Post is the useful idiot, but I don't see them having an agenda.
the public distrusts the media because of the forced narrative based on what stories they even cover or ignore.
I won't expand on this so this thread doesn't get locked like the other one, but that's my opinion.
more from Deblasio - my guess is approval comes shortly after the vote
take is, it sounds like the Wilpons resisted doing much in terms of helping the area and the city didn't have any leverage. Now they do and want to squeeze as much out of Cohen as they can. Quite frankly, I "get it". I just wish Lurch was more transparent. Ramos has been.
RE: RE: RE: RE: PJ - I'm not disputing that journalism standards are lacking
the use of unnamed sources is a very small part of why the public doesn't trust the media.
it's more about activism and agendas which I doubt is the goal of the Post in this case. At best you can claim the Post is the useful idiot, but I don't see them having an agenda.
the public distrusts the media because of the forced narrative based on what stories they even cover or ignore.
I won't expand on this so this thread doesn't get locked like the other one, but that's my opinion.
You seem to be attributing things to me that I haven't stated.
I never said the post had an agenda, I said they have lower reporting standards than others and I backed up that claim with what I believe is a fact that in this case no other outlets have corroborated the key quote that everyone got worried and that the quote itself was sourced as an indirect participant (not an actual govt official).
I don't believe this has anything to do with a biased agenda from the post. Their business model embraces provocative stories and that's what they did here. They got a bunch of clicks, someone got their quote in the paper, and when/if this passes without incident it's one more story that turned out to be more sensationalized than it needed to be that makes everyone trust journalism a little less than the day before. Rinse and repeat.
I just corresponded via e-mail with someone I trust and I completely 100% believe Steve Cohen will receive approval to take over the lease assuming he receives the necessary votes. I now have zero doubt. 100% down to the owners vote. My "source" works for the city and not any connections to the league, so they have no owners vote insight.
I just corresponded via e-mail with someone I trust and I completely 100% believe Steve Cohen will receive approval to take over the lease assuming he receives the necessary votes. I now have zero doubt. 100% down to the owners vote. My "source" works for the city and not any connections to the league, so they have no owners vote insight.
Thank you for posting. Every minute we get closer to the owner's vote without delay it seems clear that this story, like the others before it, was someone's attempt to torpedo Cohen the same way they have torpedo'd our enjoyment of the Mets franchise for the past 2 decades.
said "100%" chance the city gives approval if the owners do. They admitted (as I said above) they aren't even huge baseball fans and know nothing regarding that side of things but that the Mayor is doing "what he should" but how he's doing it has been quite poor.
said "100%" chance the city gives approval if the owners do. They admitted (as I said above) they aren't even huge baseball fans and know nothing regarding that side of things but that the Mayor is doing "what he should" but how he's doing it has been quite poor.
thanks for sharing that info and the back and forth with Ramos haha. Agreed with your impression that she's simply leveraging for some easily agreed to concessions for the community. No issues with that on my end - and based on Cohen's earlier payments to Citi Field staff, I doubt there's any issue.
Deblasio's motives less clear of course. Likely just pointless squawking that serves no-one and accomplishes nothing (so par for the course for him). And Cohen winds up the owner.
Some good intel from Martino on Cohen/Alderson plans
I thought it seemed like most thought he was just cashing a check but he seems to continue to have offers out there?
Great question. Keith Law fucking hates him (they worked together), he openly hated the idea of spending on international FA's etc, very smug (not that Law isn't smug) lol
I thought it seemed like most thought he was just cashing a check but he seems to continue to have offers out there?
Great question. Keith Law fucking hates him (they worked together), he openly hated the idea of spending on international FA's etc, very smug (not that Law isn't smug) lol
yea he must be smart in some way to continue getting offers - especially since his rep doesn't seem great. Maybe just one of those guys who is intelligent but rubs others the wrong way? Or maybe peers are just jealous of him getting cushy gigs? Just don't see Sandy or Cohen just handing out scholarships.
Why they pushing for the “community”, who could have a stake in that. Lol
I'm not pushing for anything but given the fact one of the richest men in the world is "coming to the neighborhood" they wouldn't be doing their duty to try and push for xyz. This is much like the Amazon deal which sadly (in my view) fell apart. The implication is the (soon to be previous) owners did NOTHING for the neighborhood, that's the concern of politicians. Not the Mets.,
I just corresponded via e-mail with someone I trust and I completely 100% believe Steve Cohen will receive approval to take over the lease assuming he receives the necessary votes. I now have zero doubt. 100% down to the owners vote. My "source" works for the city and not any connections to the league, so they have no owners vote insight.
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Indications mayor de Blasio approval process coming along. Announcement could come in short order and expectation has long been it will be good news for saleS
Regardless, it’s not going to come to that. NYC would be fools for getting into an expensive, pointless legal battle to prevent one of their MLB teams from getting better. All this at a time when NYC and the state’s fiscal issues are further exacerbated by the pandemic. Someone will talk some sense into the mayor
Cohen was never convicted of any crime. The law says what it says.
1) No
2) There's a non-relocation clause in that '06 lease agreement
Link - ( New Window )
But again, there's a reason the post is the only paper that ran this as if it were a legitimate case. There's also a reason the mayors office didn't release a statement with any teeth. It's a desperate PR maneuver, and just the most recent in string this summer against Cohen. Why the mayor is indulging it at all is beyond me but I'd imagine he has no affinity for Cohen and doesn't mind getting a small shot in.
Cohen will get approved and the team will be his.
It's on cbssports, nj.com, espn, newsday, etc.
maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.
It's on cbssports, nj.com, espn, newsday, etc.
maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.
I have to agree with PJ here. Maybe people are arguing 2 different points ie the Mayor's stance is bluster and the "story" will end up being a non-factor but this isn't a fabricated story in the sense a writer at the post "invented it".
“The ‘due diligence’ line is bulls–t,” a source familiar with City Hall told The Post Wednesday. “He’s told [Major League] Baseball he doesn’t want Cohen and he’s told his Law Department to find a way to stop it.”
a) a source "familiar with City Hall" is relatively weak - that's reporter speak for not someone in an actual official capacity. Could it describe an aggrieved party familiar with the negotiations who also happens to know there are normal due diligence steps the city goes through on any large transaction? Has there been an aggrieved party leaking about Cohen relentlessly for the past 6-12 months?
b) I don't believe any other news organization has confirmed a single source (let alone multiple or more direct) corroborating the alleged motivation in that quote - and the mayor's own release explicitly denied it. They could of course be lying but it doesn't change the fact that the uncorroborated quotes above from the post appear to be the entire basis to affix the motive.
In fact, haven't most of the other sources you mentioned who have reported on this directly contradicted this quote saying that they've heard from people familiar with the deal that they don't expect it to stop the deal?
De Blasio asserts control over $2.475 billion deal to sell Mets to Steve Cohen - ( New Window )
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is not the only one to print the story.
It's on cbssports, nj.com, espn, newsday, etc.
maybe the Post broke it, but no idea why to single them out, they were doing their job. It's a legit story, even if it's bullshit.
I have to agree with PJ here. Maybe people are arguing 2 different points ie the Mayor's stance is bluster and the "story" will end up being a non-factor but this isn't a fabricated story in the sense a writer at the post "invented it".
It's not that the story is fabricated - it's the allegations and quotes within the story (which I haven't seen backed up anywhere else - only quoted from the post's report). I have no doubts there's a due diligence process the city goes through on any major sale - and the official press release confirmed that and nothing more from the post's story.
I can guarantee you if someone is attempting to throw around allegations on this story they aren't only talking to a single outlet so it is always a red flag on any story if other news organizations don't corroborate (or dispute the motives as has happened in this case).
It also tells you how concerned Manfred is about the call he had with Deblasio that the vote is seemingly going on as scheduled.
Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.
The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.
Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.
The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.
Where did I say the source was fabricated?
There's a difference between fabrication and being willing to quote someone who may not be credible or have an axe to grind. Every outlet has different journalistic standards on what they are willing to publish.
Am I wrong that no other organization has been able to confirm those quotes or publish similar beyond just quoting the post's report? Honest question because that's what I have not seen and it is far preferred when publishing something to get your own direct confirmation than rely on someone else's reporting.
@jessicaramos
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@philpiv
@NickReisman
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A little more complex than that. Fans only have to worry about the team and as a fellow fan I want it done quick too, but I’m also the senator and I have to worry about the workers, the stadium, the land, and the surrounding area. I’m gonna keep doing my job.
Of course they are prepared to take legal action - this entire transaction is a legal action. The mayor confirmed the factual basis of the posts story (call with Manfred) so there is no dispute that there is a due diligence process going on.
There hasn't been any confirmation that deblasio made a threat or is acting on a motive to sink the deal. That is the uncorroborated allegation in the posts direct quote that is thinly sourced and has not been corroborated.
And I'm 100% with you - I also want it to go away and was worried about this when it first broke because Deblasio is an unpredictable moron. But when nobody else can back up a key part of the accusation and MLB is proceeding on their final approval without delay, the odds begin to favor the most likely scenario as nothing more than another hit piece against Cohen. Probably from the same source as the previous hit pieces against Cohen.
Has MLB delayed the vote? Until that happens there's no reason for concern, and considering it's like 2 hours away it would seem unlikely to happen.
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yes, we can now fully confirm that the Mayor/Senator are holding up this deal, and the Senator previously stated she was against Cohen owning the Mets. No longer a question.
Has MLB delayed the vote? Until that happens there's no reason for concern, and considering it's like 2 hours away it would seem unlikely to happen.
MLB's stance is this is unrelated. They want zero intermingling of governmental issues. That the deal is contingent on Cohen gaining access to the lease. 100% (theoretically) possible he gets approval but does not get the lease and the deal is off.
Quote:
you see an unnamed source that gets referenced in other stories, you assume the original writer(s) fabricated it?
Hard standard to keep intact with "journalism" today, but that's your prerogative.
The mayor's office has had ample opportunity to refute the leaks to the Post and has NOT done so.
Where did I say the source was fabricated?
There's a difference between fabrication and being willing to quote someone who may not be credible or have an axe to grind. Every outlet has different journalistic standards on what they are willing to publish.
Am I wrong that no other organization has been able to confirm those quotes or publish similar beyond just quoting the post's report? Honest question because that's what I have not seen and it is far preferred when publishing something to get your own direct confirmation than rely on someone else's reporting.
Many stories that cite the NY Post will follow it up and say something like this - that sure seems to me like trying to independently verify the Post - but I see stories literally every day that cite unnamed sources "with direct knowledge" or even sometimes not and multiple other stories cite the original:
“When we’re in the middle of a legal review, which again is our fiduciary responsibility as a city to do this, it’s not appropriate to be commenting on the people involved,” the Democrat mayor said.
De Blasio confirmed he had called baseball commissioner Rob Manfred to discuss the matter....
She is a queens state senator? How much power do you think any individual state senator has? They can do all the due diligence they are entitled to by law but they can't just disrupt a deal because they don't like somebody.
@jessicaramos
I don’t want Steve Cohen to be #SeenIn13. He doesn’t deserve us or the @Mets
! A quick look at his career raises red flag after red flag. If @MLB
is serious about beginning to change their legacy, they’ll step right up and say no to Cohen.
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Jessica Ramos all but acknowledged it today. She also previously wrote an entire article against Cohen owning the Mets.
She is a queens state senator? How much power do you think any individual state senator has? They can do all the due diligence they are entitled to by law but they can't just disrupt a deal because they don't like somebody.
She's "credited" as being a driving force in killing the Amazon deal, so it sounds like a pretty significant amount.
What leverage nyc does have is even more mitigated by the likliehood the fans won’t be there to start season permitting Cohen to have the team play in Brooklyn while this is settled if an injunction isn’t granted (which it would be).
But I do agree that it’s effing exhausting. It’s been now a full year of Mets fans being dragged along with uncertainty. Ramos and deblasio can go pound sand.
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.
I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
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Yes, and we’re past that point now. If it’s gonna be Cohen, fine. No matter who it is, they need to do right by us. That’s it.
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Yeah, that’s what I just said. Problem is Cohen is silent on my community
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Yeah totally and this all doesn’t have to be so sensationalized by the press but it is what it is. I’m not hiding what I’m fighting for. I expect our new neighbor to step up or I’m going to be a thorn in their side, esp when I go to Mets games
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like 8 years too late since they cut him, but the Mets could definitely use him.
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I mean while we are on the subject, where was the push to prompt the Wilpons to do more for the community? They received the land on a sweetheart deal and Willets Point is still the butt of jokes. understand there is leverage now, but it seems as if the Wilpons got off scot free
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I wasn’t an elected official back then so I wasn’t in those conversations. I’m an elected official now and we have a better opportunity now so I’m gonna focus on now.
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and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.
I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
Yes this is 100% how news works - that's why it's an industry most people don't trust. But the simplest way to determine whether something being reported is trustworthy is if it's independently confirmed by other outlets. That's generally the biggest red flag for any big story because the bigger the story the more other organizations there are trying to confirm whatever they can on it or break new details.
I agree with the 2nd paragraph as well btw. It sounds like that state senator is a crusader and deblasio is a moron, so it wouldn't shock me if he wants to insert himself. But the grounds for him to do so appear so flimsy I don't see any concerning factual basis right now (especially if MLB also doesn't see any reason to be concerned and votes anyway).
The other fact in this situation is that there have been constant leaks against Cohen. So there is a plausible explanation as to why there has been a constant drumbeat of BS being leaked out through the media.
One of the worst moves they have made in recent years, not kidding. One start to lose a reliever who has been good for almost a decade.
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From your mouth to God’s ears, bro.
Problem for the mayor is he is generally considered a buffoon so he is unlikely to sway owners
Problem for the mayor is he is generally considered a buffoon so he is unlikely to sway owners
Is that deblasio's goal, or the goal of the person "familiar with city hall" who sourced the story in the first place?
if only there were some credible suspects who have been trying to sink the deal with Cohen over the last several months...
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and there is a frequent use of lax sourcing. It's a huge problem across the board and every outlet does it (albeit in different ways - but different ways the public generally doesn't understand). but the devil is in the details and the confirmed facts from the posts story are:
1. the city has a role in due diligence
2. Manfred and Deblasio have spoken
Those are the confirmed facts - along with the fact that the vote hasn't been delayed and is still going on as planned. The rest is just noise and I don't think there's any reason to worry about it unless the vote gets delayed.
I think that's how news works though, people have been "negotiating" through the press since time began. Did the Post unnamed source have an axe to grind? Maybe. or maybe the Post source just wanted to communicate the seriousness of the situation.
I don't believe anything 100% and like Shecky has said Cohen isn't worries, but I also believe 100% could be some truth to de Blasio not wanting Cohen as an owner for a variety of reasons. His options to stop it are probably limited (or maybe even none).
Yes this is 100% how news works - that's why it's an industry most people don't trust. But the simplest way to determine whether something being reported is trustworthy is if it's independently confirmed by other outlets. That's generally the biggest red flag for any big story because the bigger the story the more other organizations there are trying to confirm whatever they can on it or break new details.
I agree with the 2nd paragraph as well btw. It sounds like that state senator is a crusader and deblasio is a moron, so it wouldn't shock me if he wants to insert himself. But the grounds for him to do so appear so flimsy I don't see any concerning factual basis right now (especially if MLB also doesn't see any reason to be concerned and votes anyway).
The other fact in this situation is that there have been constant leaks against Cohen. So there is a plausible explanation as to why there has been a constant drumbeat of BS being leaked out through the media.
the use of unnamed sources is a very small part of why the public doesn't trust the media.
it's more about activism and agendas which I doubt is the goal of the Post in this case. At best you can claim the Post is the useful idiot, but I don't see them having an agenda.
the public distrusts the media because of the forced narrative based on what stories they even cover or ignore.
I won't expand on this so this thread doesn't get locked like the other one, but that's my opinion.
@timbhealey
Bill de Blasio did not say anything new about the Mets sale during his weekly appearance on WNYC.
"We’ll have a resolution very soon," he said, repeating what he said all week.
OK, but when?
“Real soon means real soon."
All no brainers and stuff Cohen would easily agree to.
Morton could be interesting as a 2nd SP signing, behind a Bauer or more likely Stroman.
the use of unnamed sources is a very small part of why the public doesn't trust the media.
it's more about activism and agendas which I doubt is the goal of the Post in this case. At best you can claim the Post is the useful idiot, but I don't see them having an agenda.
the public distrusts the media because of the forced narrative based on what stories they even cover or ignore.
I won't expand on this so this thread doesn't get locked like the other one, but that's my opinion.
You seem to be attributing things to me that I haven't stated.
I never said the post had an agenda, I said they have lower reporting standards than others and I backed up that claim with what I believe is a fact that in this case no other outlets have corroborated the key quote that everyone got worried and that the quote itself was sourced as an indirect participant (not an actual govt official).
I don't believe this has anything to do with a biased agenda from the post. Their business model embraces provocative stories and that's what they did here. They got a bunch of clicks, someone got their quote in the paper, and when/if this passes without incident it's one more story that turned out to be more sensationalized than it needed to be that makes everyone trust journalism a little less than the day before. Rinse and repeat.
Morton could be interesting as a 2nd SP signing, behind a Bauer or more likely Stroman.
Zunino is straight trash. We have Nido. Morton isn't an option. Won't leave Florida, more likely going to retire.
Thank you for posting. Every minute we get closer to the owner's vote without delay it seems clear that this story, like the others before it, was someone's attempt to torpedo Cohen the same way they have torpedo'd our enjoyment of the Mets franchise for the past 2 decades.
Deblasio gonna Deblasio.
Deblasio's motives less clear of course. Likely just pointless squawking that serves no-one and accomplishes nothing (so par for the course for him). And Cohen winds up the owner.
The East Coast Dodgers with two GMs? Here’s what happens to Mets right after Steve Cohen approval - ( New Window )
Great question. Keith Law fucking hates him (they worked together), he openly hated the idea of spending on international FA's etc, very smug (not that Law isn't smug) lol
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I thought it seemed like most thought he was just cashing a check but he seems to continue to have offers out there?
Great question. Keith Law fucking hates him (they worked together), he openly hated the idea of spending on international FA's etc, very smug (not that Law isn't smug) lol
yea he must be smart in some way to continue getting offers - especially since his rep doesn't seem great. Maybe just one of those guys who is intelligent but rubs others the wrong way? Or maybe peers are just jealous of him getting cushy gigs? Just don't see Sandy or Cohen just handing out scholarships.
I'm not pushing for anything but given the fact one of the richest men in the world is "coming to the neighborhood" they wouldn't be doing their duty to try and push for xyz. This is much like the Amazon deal which sadly (in my view) fell apart. The implication is the (soon to be previous) owners did NOTHING for the neighborhood, that's the concern of politicians. Not the Mets.,
Andy Martino
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Indications mayor de Blasio approval process coming along. Announcement could come in short order and expectation has long been it will be good news for saleS
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Steve Cohen Mets ownership bid has been approved by MLB owners