Bellichick as GM a possibility???

Not this shit again.

I wouldnt be shocked if this is a pipe dream, whrn it comes to Belichek i dont think anyonr knows..

I eouodnt be surprised if he wanted to move on last year after Brady left and Kraft asked him for one more year..

has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady.

I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach.

In comment 15028881 allstarjim said:

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Not this shit again.

Hey man I just walked into it while listening to the podcast this morning. Sorry if it was brought up prior but Chris is pretty good when it comes to this stuff.

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has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach.

I’d prefer BB the coach as well, but let’s not act like Belichick hasn’t had his share of quality draft and trade hits. Sure, there are misses - like Sanu over Emanuel Sanders - but he’s infinitely better than the clown show ruling the roost at Jints Central right now...

Personally, I think he’s one of the great GMs of all time.

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has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach.

100 percent. Remember bill in Miami. It didn’t work out so well. Bill in Dallas was working and he was the coach and partial GM there

As he’s always had a GM and would def still have a lieutenant. But president of football operations would be 😍😍😍

JFC make it stop

In comment 15028887 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15028883 KDavies said: Quote: has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach. I’d prefer BB the coach as well, but let’s not act like Belichick hasn’t had his share of quality draft and trade hits. Sure, there are misses - like Sanu over Emanuel Sanders - but he’s infinitely better than the clown show ruling the roost at Jints Central right now... Personally, I think he’s one of the great GMs of all time.

He had some incredible drafts early on. His drafts lately have been pretty mediocre. And he makes some bad trades too. 2017 they didn't have any picks in the first two rounds because they traded them for Brandin Cooks and Kony Ealy. Last year a 2nd rounder for Sanu.

I take it if we have him as coach too, and he gets guys to fit his system. But Giants could do better IMO than him in just a GM role.

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has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach.

Would you take him on in an all encompassing “director of football operations “ position?

not so sure about his impact in this regard as a GM, he might be too far removed from what he's great at. He's also pushing 70.

has had some not so great drafts, but he also has been selecting at the bottom of them forever now.

At least there will be a pure understanding between HC and GM now.

Assuming this fairytale comes true.

He was cut.

In comment 15028895 ron mexico said:

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In comment 15028883 KDavies said: Quote: has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach. Would you take him on in an all encompassing “director of football operations “ position?

I wouldn't have as much a problem with that. But I don't get the obsession. I am a big Belichick fan. He helped the Giants win two Super Bowls. I root for the Patriots as I like Belichick. But if he comes here, I would want him as coach as well.

I'd be too worried about him doing crazy shit in the draft (and with draft picks), and not having Brady and himself as coach to make up for it.

For most wins I think he will want to remain a HC

It seems very unlikely to me but that guy doesn’t throw shit against the wall to see what sticks. He seems like a pretty straight shooter

Because it would mean the Mara clan is no longer making football decisions

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not so sure about his impact in this regard as a GM, he might be too far removed from what he's great at. He's also pushing 70.

This is the only reason I think it’s a possibility. You can hang around in the FO at an older age than HC. Vermeil did it for a while, but he strikes me as a much healthier guy than Bill.

If the next move is front office for Bill, I’d imagine he’s much rather do it for the Giants and Mars than Kraft and Pats. Plus it would be another notch in his belt as the franchise has been in the toilet.

but no thanks. If he was coming over to be the HC or President of operations(where the new GM holds the final say over the roster) then great. As GM I am not a fan of his recent moves.

In comment 15028894 KDavies said:

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In comment 15028887 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 15028883 KDavies said: Quote: has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach. I’d prefer BB the coach as well, but let’s not act like Belichick hasn’t had his share of quality draft and trade hits. Sure, there are misses - like Sanu over Emanuel Sanders - but he’s infinitely better than the clown show ruling the roost at Jints Central right now... Personally, I think he’s one of the great GMs of all time. He had some incredible drafts early on. His drafts lately have been pretty mediocre. And he makes some bad trades too. 2017 they didn't have any picks in the first two rounds because they traded them for Brandin Cooks and Kony Ealy. Last year a 2nd rounder for Sanu. I take it if we have him as coach too, and he gets guys to fit his system. But Giants could do better IMO than him in just a GM role.

The guy has been at it for 20 years in the role. Of course you can find some poor decisions. He's the most aggressive, active GM in the sport. Always looking to get an edge. So there are going to be misses...

And when he misses, to his credit, he's quick to cut bait and go on to the next plan.

How can you not love that?

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Because it would mean the Mara clan is no longer making football decisions

Absolutely. Which, alas, means it's never going to happen...

He can carve out a FO role in NE if he wants one.

I don’t buy the new challenge angle nor do I think he prefers Mara over kraft.

i would almost be surprised if he went anywhere other than the Giants to be GM. I think if Bill wants to leave and wants to be GM somewhere, he will be GM for NYG and work with Judge. It makes a lot of sense but Bill has to want to leave NE first.

One of the things I believe holds back the development of the team is all the young players which have never tasted success.

It's great to bring in a bunch of young low-paid players and beat your chest about spending wisely - but roster dynamics are far more complex than that. The goal isn't to have an inexpensive roster - it's to win games. What usually works best for a talented young player entering the NFL is a veteran position group, where he can work in slowly and see how things are done at a level that consistently wins games. These guys come into the NFL clueless of how to win a high stakes football game against other grown men, and if they aren't shown how, it's much tougher to learn.

Part of the reason why losing teams stay losing teams - no example being set in the building. The young players quickly fall into the losing ways. Rinse, repeat.

This is why I support veteran additions who have won in the past, and can potentially stabilize the organization. When you're off kilter, step 1 is stabilization. It's not wasted $$$ bringing in Logan Ryan right now. They need a couple more of those guys and they'll start winning more games and a standard takes shape for all the young guys.

To flounder away, hoping for losses that lead to high draft picks (who can then Rinse, Repeat) is dangerously off course. IMO.

in a lost season. That's not a high hurdle to clear, but it'd be an improvement.

In comment 15028881 allstarjim said:

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Not this shit again.

Seriously.

And why would we want him? Great coach decides to become GM. Sometimes it works, but sometimes you get Phil Jackson. BB isn't a great drafter and his free agent signings are only so-so. As a coach, he's very good at figuring out what guys can do to help him win, so he's good at reclamation projects. Maybe he and JJ would be simpatico that way.

In comment 15028917 ron mexico said:

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Because it would mean the Mara clan is no longer making football decisions

That would be an improvement, true.

(if someone hasn't beaten me to this yet, didn't read every comment yet)

Bill and Mara talk this time last year (or by the time coaching searches were conducted) and they agree that Judge should be the new HC of big blue, and Bill and Mara have a wink wink deal to allow for BB to come over as GM in 2021 and work with his protege, JJ.

And no, I won't make it stop. Fucking deal with it. There are dozens of worthless threads here ranging from the regurgitated DG bash fests and what you had for lunch, you can deal with this one too.

Many of you refer to Belichick as being aNn underwhelming GM of late, but that jas only been the draft. Sure he's had some bad picks....especially at WR (Chad Jackson, Harry looking like a bust). Hes also had some big time cornerstone picks like Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Devin McCourty, Gronk, Edelman, Jamie Collins, Jerod Mayo was outstanding for a while....not to mention Chandler Jones. He seems to have done well recently with Wynn and Michel.

But his biggest attribute in my mind is his navigating the FA quagmire. He not only values his players correctly, but also plugs other holes to make up for stap players' losses. He lost Jones and Collins and instead of replacing positional equivalents, he boned up on secondary and made his front 7 "multiple" by bringing in guys who could do several things effectively but werent excellent at any one in particular.

Bill the GM working with Judge would be more than worth a shot. Finishing his career off fixing the team that gave him his start.

that would have a leg to stand on if they sat here complaining if Bill B was brought in as GM. Even if his batting avg isn't that great in terms of FA and draft player personnel. Don't even bother. I don't care what Belichick is brought in here to do--he can park fucking cars for all I care. Bring him in. If he fails here so be it, you don't say no to Belichick. So please, zip it.

that Belichick is the greatest GM in the history of the NFL, especially with the weight of the cap system, player turnover, and the otherworldly consistency and trophies for twenty years.

I mean, who even comes remotely close?

Polian, maybe? He did it at several stops, so that's a strong combination.

In comment 15028888 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 15028883 KDavies said: Quote: has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach. 100 percent. Remember bill in Miami. It didn’t work out so well. Bill in Dallas was working and he was the coach and partial GM there

Do you even know which Bill we're talking about?

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He was cut.

Better than DG's 5th rounder from 2 years ago because at least it freed up a roster spot.

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has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach.

BB master strategist and coach but terrible with personnel. Look at his moves. You can count on two things they'll always be loaded with picks and they'll waste virtually every one

In comment 15029652 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:

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In comment 15028883 KDavies said: Quote: has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach. BB master strategist and coach but terrible with personnel. Look at his moves. You can count on two things they'll always be loaded with picks and they'll waste virtually every one

Is that right?

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In comment 15029653 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 15029652 Jint Fan in Buc Land said: Quote: In comment 15028883 KDavies said: Quote: has anyone seen his drafts lately? How would BBI react if he traded a 2nd rounder for Sanu and cut him the next year? Many are freaking out about a 3rd for Gollady. I want no part of Belichick as GM without him being the coach. BB master strategist and coach but terrible with personnel. Look at his moves. You can count on two things they'll always be loaded with picks and they'll waste virtually every one Is that right? Link - ( New Window )

Im not going to look at the link before addressing how dumb Jint Fan's comment was. Granted there were several stupid moves (trading one of the best pass rushers in the league to ARZ for a failed OT was one). The Sanu trade I didnt view as that big a deal because the Pats were in win now mode,Sanu was a Y receiver seemed like a nice cog in that he was bigger, mobile and could do the funky shit McDaniels liked to do in terms of tossing the occasional reverse pass.

But he also traded Jamie Collins for a third and a fourth (to be taken from him because of Spygate), which turned into acquiring Brandin Cooks. Then, he got Collins back again at a cheaper number.

He pulled a similar stunt with LaGarette Blount.

He found gems like Vrabel, Trent Brown...

Does he really have THAT many misses? He has shown a tendency to trade out of late 1st a lot which Im not crazy about, but it saves money and damn the 5th year option....if ypu know you've foundd a keeper, he is signed well before that is even an issue

At how miserable some of you are. That being said, Come home Bill!! I’d love to have him back in the organization in any role. For those of you bitching and complaining, the Giants haven’t given us much to talk about the last decade so let us have some fun with this, don’t like it then go piss up a rope. Our current GM is awful and arrogant to boot.

In comment 15029788 MtDizzle said:

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At how miserable some of you are. That being said, Come home Bill!! I’d love to have him back in the organization in any role. For those of you bitching and complaining, the Giants haven’t given us much to talk about the last decade so let us have some fun with this, don’t like it then go piss up a rope. Our current GM is awful and arrogant to boot.

Imagine thinking BB wasn’t arrogant

one of the strongest rosters top to bottom. Football is a war of attrition and it’s a reason for their consistent success. Internal competition breeds stronger football teams as well.

Of course Bill the coach and having a great QB is the reason they aren’t just a perennial SB contender and not just playoffs. Occasionally, he runs into a team like the Eagles which were just way more talented than his team on the top that just happened to stay healthy. Could probably say the same about the Giants as well. Although we weren’t nearly as talented up top as the Eagles, but we were led by a great HC and Eli Ice.

it would be like a dream come true for the NY Giants franchise. They're going nowhere but lower into the dumpster fire with that sack of sh*t Gettleman.