What type of edge should we try to draft?

good question.

However, I dont see the Giants having the freedom to do so in the upcoming draft.

The offensive line is still an utter mess, devoid of one "good player" and on top of that its becoming clear that objectively Daniel Jones is not a starting qb in this league let alone a franchise one.

Until this team can start drafting good linemen and fix the QB position I dont think a premium edge can be taken.

Just looking at the current sack leaders and most are over 6'2 and 260lbs. I think Strahan played around 260/265 and was pretty stout against the run. Lighter LBs like LT need to be able to drop in coverage and the Giants scouting dept just can't seem to find those guys.

One of the reasons I am personally against signing LW as 3-4 DE is the fact he does not seem to hold the edge very well and loses contain trying to disrupt the pocket. Maybe some of that is by design, but without legit outside pressure he just seems to get neutralized by the OL. Tomlinson seems like a better fit for either 3-4 or 4-3 DL even if he is not getting as many sacks as LW or BJ Hill.

The guy I would be interested in keeping is Kyle Fackrell. Seems really disruptive in the pass rush and can actually drop back in coverage.

martinez not a game changer but a sure tackler
Carter and Ximines are not ultra fast

lawrence-tomlinson and Williams = strong but not fast

we need speed ... we need havoc... we need fast pressures we should go speed over someone strong

so yes Gregory Rousseau with a trade down at 6-7-8 would great + the picks we would get that is if Sewell is gone.

You can also take ILB Micah Parsons at our position and get pressures from him on blitzes and such

Smart
Tough
Versatile
Team player

LT is not an example of your description.

But to answer your question, I'll take a player like LT. Unfortunately I don't expect to find one again in my lifetime.

In comment 15029539 Hades07 said:

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LT is not an example of your description. But to answer your question, I'll take a player like LT. Unfortunately I don't expect to find one again in my lifetime.

LT was slow?

We won't get one with our 1st, this isn't the year for it, we just gotta hope a Clay Matthews/ TJ Watt type is sitting there at the top of the 2nd.

In comment 15029552 aGiantGuy said:

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We won't get one with our 1st, this isn't the year for it, we just gotta hope a Clay Matthews/ TJ Watt type is sitting there at the top of the 2nd.

When is it going to be the year for it then? Gettleman's had three years to fix the pass rush and he's failed. Nobody in the NFL waits longer than three years, and nobody goes anywhere without a guy or two who can consistently win a one-on-one with an OL, especially the Giants. They have no pass rush, they don't go anywhere.

Defense so that eliminates many candidates. And Rousseau is not “the Mad Stork”.

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In comment 15029563 Ivan15 said:

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Defense so that eliminates many candidates. And Rousseau is not “the Mad Stork”.

Hence why I was asking what type of Edge to go for.

This draft isn't looking like the pantry at the Overlook Hotel

I’d resign both our FA DTs so they can gain experience and continuity together. They are already good vs the run, next step is to pressure the QB.

Edge pass rushers are expensive in FA so I’d prefer to draft and develop them. Unfortunately this years drafts best availables in the top 8 or 9 picks are probably QBs, CBs, WRs and MLB Parsons. Let Judge get his guy and then find developmental OLBs in subsequent rounds that fit his criteria as Robbie mentioned above, guys that come to practice every day and work hard to get better.

We have a head coach who is going to build his reputation as a superior teacher and developer of talent. Unfortunately for impatient fans it will take time to see results.

Hopefully by this time next year we’ll see improved play by a lot of our younger players and the draftees will be counted on to provide depth while they develop into eventual starters the following year.

In other words I don’t think the pass rushing savior we’re all looking for is out there for next season, but maybe we draft a player or two to develop for 2022.

In comment 15029558 Angel Eyes said:

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In comment 15029552 aGiantGuy said: Quote: We won't get one with our 1st, this isn't the year for it, we just gotta hope a Clay Matthews/ TJ Watt type is sitting there at the top of the 2nd. When is it going to be the year for it then? Gettleman's had three years to fix the pass rush and he's failed. Nobody in the NFL waits longer than three years, and nobody goes anywhere without a guy or two who can consistently win a one-on-one with an OL, especially the Giants. They have no pass rush, they don't go anywhere.

We should probably wait for Nolan Smith and Thibodeaux to come out next year, other than that, I don’t know what to tell you. Patrick Willis is in this draft though and I would absolutely love to see him in blue.

Arik Armstead...better lined up inside

Good player but not exactly what the Giants need.

Parsons seems like he is a guy who you can line up all over and he'll be effective as a blitzer as an off-ball LB

There are a couple of guys on Duke this year that are interesting EDGE guys in the later rounds

Josh Allen would have been a good fit.

In comment 15029548 Angel Eyes said:

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In comment 15029539 Hades07 said: Quote: LT is not an example of your description. But to answer your question, I'll take a player like LT. Unfortunately I don't expect to find one again in my lifetime. LT was slow?

he wasn't lighter, a 250 LBer in an age with 270 lb OL is not a lighter rush backer

In comment 15029760 Hades07 said:

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In comment 15029548 Angel Eyes said: Quote: In comment 15029539 Hades07 said: Quote: LT is not an example of your description. But to answer your question, I'll take a player like LT. Unfortunately I don't expect to find one again in my lifetime. LT was slow? he wasn't lighter, a 250 LBer in an age with 270 lb OL is not a lighter rush backer

He’s usually listed at around 243 lbs.

and you can find guys like that in the second round. A pretty poor year for edge rushers and the guy that is closest to a blue-chip player has one productive year and opted out. You can't take big swings on guys like that in top 10. We saw how much blowing premier picks as destroyed this team. He's so risky. You'd think a guy that was an obvious top ten pick would be showing so much over the summer he'd get full-time snaps as a redshirt sophomore. He's also not very technical apparently and uses his size and AA to dominate. I will say I can't say I saw more than a bits of pieces of Miami last year, but reading the profile terrifies me.

Does anyone know the reason he did? Or at least the reason he gave. Curious if there are possible motivations there. Could absolutely see this as a business decision especially in such a bad year for edge rushers. Pretty common to see guys flash in their third year of college with limited tape, go back, and draft stock flounders because of a down year. We drafted someone recently that was predicted as 1st round pick if he came out and was projected top 10 that fell into the mid rounds recently who sucked. Name is escaping me, but this is a fanatics board so maybe someone has a better memory than me.

In comment 15029563 Ivan15 said:

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Defense so that eliminates many candidates. And Rousseau is not “the Mad Stork”.

I miss the 4-3 base defense so much.

Take as high as we’ll be drafting is Micah Parsons. He’s Patrick Willis/Luke Kuechly type who can affect the game at all three levels on defense.

In comment 15029765 Zeke's Alibi said:

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and you can find guys like that in the second round. A pretty poor year for edge rushers and the guy that is closest to a blue-chip player has one productive year and opted out. You can't take big swings on guys like that in top 10. We saw how much blowing premier picks as destroyed this team. He's so risky. You'd think a guy that was an obvious top ten pick would be showing so much over the summer he'd get full-time snaps as a redshirt sophomore. He's also not very technical apparently and uses his size and AA to dominate. I will say I can't say I saw more than a bits of pieces of Miami last year, but reading the profile terrifies me. Does anyone know the reason he did? Or at least the reason he gave. Curious if there are possible motivations there. Could absolutely see this as a business decision especially in such a bad year for edge rushers. Pretty common to see guys flash in their third year of college with limited tape, go back, and draft stock flounders because of a down year. We drafted someone recently that was predicted as 1st round pick if he came out and was projected top 10 that fell into the mid rounds recently who sucked. Name is escaping me, but this is a fanatics board so maybe someone has a better memory than me.

I’m gonna guess Marvin Austin?

the kind that gets to the QB on a pretty consistent basis...all others need not apply

Someone to take a look at if you want someone to get the QB.

At this point, I almost do not care, I just want NFL talent football players. I want to draft a player that we don't instantly question if can even play the position in the NFL.

Those are looking like the only non QB blue chip players. Then if Gentlemen is still around you can expect a cluster fuck of CBs drafted in the next 4 rounds

That drafting CBs high is as risky as drafting QBs high. They are often products of their defense, and they rarely are instant starters. The Giants have had more success signing free agent CBs.

I would be reluctant to draft a CB in the top half of the 1st round. Even the best prospects take time to train up.

However, today, LT is about twice as big as Banks.

In comment 15029505 The_omis_orb said:
[quote] good question.

However, I dont see the Giants having the freedom to do so in the upcoming draft.

becoming clear that objectively Daniel Jones is not a starting qb in this league let alone a franchise one.

See, you can’t be take seriously with takes like this; espy since better qualified people around the NFL, Don t share your take.

A much more effective take would be, “Book still out on Jones”

How about one that doesn't suck?

kind.

In comment 15029767 MtDizzle said:

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In comment 15029563 Ivan15 said: Quote: Defense so that eliminates many candidates. And Rousseau is not “the Mad Stork”. I miss the 4-3 base defense so much.

Same here.

In comment 15029836 Ivan15 said:

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That drafting CBs high is as risky as drafting QBs high. They are often products of their defense, and they rarely are instant starters. The Giants have had more success signing free agent CBs. I would be reluctant to draft a CB in the top half of the 1st round. Even the best prospects take time to train up.

Then there’s their work ethic but that’s for any player. In our case I vaguely remember articles complaining about Deandre Baker sleeping during meetings in 2019.

The best ones typically need a couple years or so. The recently departed Herb Adderley, one of the best cornerbacks in history, was drafted as a running back, but converted to cornerback in his rookie year, made All-Pro the next year.