Good to see him staying positive about it. I look forward ro him coming back better after this. I'm not looking forward to all the repetitive posters telling us we shouldn't have drafted him, we shouldn't give him a long term contract, nor how he's damaged goods when he is held out of practices leading up to next season and panicking over that.
But i want to see how much muscle mass he lost in his leg post surgery.
When i had mine, i ended up losing 15 lbs of muscle in my leg and my legs are nowhere near as big as Saquon's. It was shocking to see.
Doc said your quad basically melts away when they have to cut off the blood flow for the surgery.
What? Surgery takes at most a couple hours and cut off blood flow? There is no cut off blood flow. I think you misunderstood.
Your leg atrophies because you are not using it. The leg is immobilized for weeks. It would do the same if you had your leg in a cast for a broken femur. Yes he will lose mass because his legs are artificial large because of his work outs. Without lifting several days per week, the quads would start to go back to "normal" size from lack of use.
There are actually youtube videos on complete surgeries. Had a friend get a complete knee replacement and I wanted to know what was done. I watched a teaching video from the surgeon for other surgeons, it wasn't even two hours.
Good to see him staying positive about it. I look forward ro him coming back better after this. I'm not looking forward to all the repetitive posters telling us we shouldn't have drafted him, we shouldn't give him a long term contract, nor how he's damaged goods when he is held out of practices leading up to next season and panicking over that.
The surgeons have to wait until the swelling goes down before they are able to do the operation. I wonder what was done regarding any meniscus damage that Barkley had?
Why did they wait so long after the injury to do the surgery? I thought they normally do it the first week or two right after the injury.
Hoping for the best and a full recovery for Bark.
They wait sometimes because of the other parts of the injury. I suspect the MCL part of the injury made them wait for the exact reason that they want to maintain leg strength after the surgery and if the MCL heals a bit, that makes for a faster/more effective rehab
Good to see him staying positive about it. I look forward ro him coming back better after this. I'm not looking forward to all the repetitive posters telling us we shouldn't have drafted him, we shouldn't give him a long term contract, nor how he's damaged goods when he is held out of practices leading up to next season and panicking over that.
Robbie, I get your point, He s a Giant, and it would be great to finally see him play on a good team, being a dominant player again, contributing to big wins, something missing for most of the past decade.
While I agree no point in going back in rehashing the pick, not taking a running back at #2 was certainly a legitimate position.
Given another losing season, the disappointment of another injury to Barkley, some just can’t let it go.
With that said, this shows that you need solid depth and the ability to rotate RBs. Giants had such an effective rotation with Jacob's, Bradshaw and Ward a number of years ago. They need to have a guy behind SB that they feel comfortable possibly splitting time with him.
Why did they wait so long after the injury to do the surgery? I thought they normally do it the first week or two right after the injury.
Hoping for the best and a full recovery for Bark.
They wait sometimes because of the other parts of the injury. I suspect the MCL part of the injury made them wait for the exact reason that they want to maintain leg strength after the surgery and if the MCL heals a bit, that makes for a faster/more effective rehab
... about Saquon will be exhausting. He’s one of the few bright spots on this team the past several years, and it sucks to think of him in strictly return on investment terms. And with advances in surgery, I could see him return for many productive years — which would be great.
That said 2020 is yet another reminder that RB is a brutal position with a nearly 100% injury rate. Saquon, McCaffrey, Chubb etc ... it’s not a good bet to count on the enduring health of star RBs. In an ideal world the Giants would approximate the approach of the Niners, who through scheme and personnel seemingly have an endless wave of RBs who can play effectively (before they inevitably get hurt). Look at undrafted Jeff Wilson last week ... watch undrafted Jamycal Hasty next week.
Hope these statements don’t add to the exhaustion quotient. I hope #26 comes back roaring.
Should have drafted Josh Allen (qb) and worry about a running back
later. Reese made the same mistake with David Wilson. I don't expect Saquon to be back "better than ever". And even if he were the same runner, with this offensive line, it makes little difference.
later. Reese made the same mistake with David Wilson. I don't expect Saquon to be back "better than ever". And even if he were the same runner, with this offensive line, it makes little difference.
That's bullshit. Allen was never in the equation. By any and every account Darnold was the guy of interest.
Allen had concerns about his accuracy, turnovers, competition, and for me the worst was his shoulder injury. I would always shy away from a QB, or any player, with a shoulder injury. That joint seems the most delicate and oft re-injured. The red flags were enough to stay away. Looking back through current eyes doesn't change that.
Saquon was the best player in that draft, period ...
He was considered a "gold jacket type", he got hurt; that's life. QBs get hurt too.
The ultimate drafts occur when you fill a desperate need with a superior player. Gettleman made an outstanding choice, that day.
He drafted a mid first round player (Thomas) 4th over-all, that's a screw-up. Ernie Accorsi did it too drafting Shawn Williams over eventual multi- year ALL PRO & HOF Alan Faneca. It happens
RE: RE: Should have drafted Josh Allen (qb) and worry about a running back
later. Reese made the same mistake with David Wilson. I don't expect Saquon to be back "better than ever". And even if he were the same runner, with this offensive line, it makes little difference.
That's bullshit. Allen was never in the equation. By any and every account Darnold was the guy of interest.
Allen had concerns about his accuracy, turnovers, competition, and for me the worst was his shoulder injury. I would always shy away from a QB, or any player, with a shoulder injury. That joint seems the most delicate and oft re-injured. The red flags were enough to stay away. Looking back through current eyes doesn't change that.
Supposedly Shurmur liked Allen the most of the 2018 QBs. Can't say for sure that would have put him in consideration for the #2 pick, but it's at least feasible that he might have been - if DG was going to take a QB, it would stand to reason that he'd at least consider the one that PS preferred.
That said, part of taking SB wasn't just that he was a choice over any of the QBs, it's that he was a choice that was specifically about not resetting with a rookie QB in general. It wasn't "we don't like any of these QBs better than Barkley" (which may have been true regardless), it was "we don't need to draft a QB because that would be wasteful since we still have Eli."
It's just fundamentally on the opposite side of spectrum to take a QB there vs. a RB, so the idea that it was ever really an either/or between Barkley and Darnold (or Allen) would suggest that the Giants went into that draft still torn on whether they were rebuilding or trying to reload to get back to the playoffs immediately like they had in 2016.
Taking SB was not just because he was a better prospect than any of the QBs, even if one believes that to be true (and it's irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make); it's because the very concept of drafting SB there suggested that DG just simply was not looking at the roster at that time as one that needed to be torn down and rebuilt.
That's why most of the asshat info going into that draft was that it would be Barkley or Bradley Chubb, with Darnold mostly listed as a footnote (like, "if their thinking changes and they go QB, it will probably be Darnold"), but I think it's fairly widely accepted that the pick was going to be Barkley or Chubb at #2. And both of those players would have represented immediate contributors to a contending team, and thus are consistent with DG's misreading of the roster when he took the job and all the other personnel moves he made that offseason.
That's bullshit. Allen was never in the equation. By any and every account Darnold was the guy of interest.
The only direct comment from an insider was from Chris Mara, in a radio interview with Russo a week after the 2018 draft, where he said: "We liked the QBs but the issue was we couldn't agree on which one. We all agreed on Barkley."
Darnold and Rosen were both very young and DG dropped a comment at one point in the process about the difficulty of a 20 yo QB leading a locker room full of men. I don't think he had any interest in either one and I doubt you can find any credible account that he did.
My hunch is that Mayfield was DG's guy, if had to pick one in that draft. Giants had BM in for multiple visits and, on draft night, DG's comment was, "After Cleveland took Baker, I said turn off the phones."
Something about the way he called him by his first name.
He was considered a "gold jacket type", he got hurt; that's life. QBs get hurt too.
The ultimate drafts occur when you fill a desperate need with a superior player. Gettleman made an outstanding choice, that day.
He drafted a mid first round player (Thomas) 4th over-all, that's a screw-up. Ernie Accorsi did it too drafting Shawn Williams over eventual multi- year ALL PRO & HOF Alan Faneca. It happens
But i want to see how much muscle mass he lost in his leg post surgery.
When i had mine, i ended up losing 15 lbs of muscle in my leg and my legs are nowhere near as big as Saquon's. It was shocking to see.
Doc said your quad basically melts away when they have to cut off the blood flow for the surgery.
What? Surgery takes at most a couple hours and cut off blood flow? There is no cut off blood flow. I think you misunderstood.
Your leg atrophies because you are not using it. The leg is immobilized for weeks. It would do the same if you had your leg in a cast for a broken femur. Yes he will lose mass because his legs are artificial large because of his work outs. Without lifting several days per week, the quads would start to go back to "normal" size from lack of use.
There are actually youtube videos on complete surgeries. Had a friend get a complete knee replacement and I wanted to know what was done. I watched a teaching video from the surgeon for other surgeons, it wasn't even two hours.
Yeah I know surgery only take a couple of hours, I went through it myself. And your leg is never immobilzed for weeks beofre or post ACL surgery, the whole point of the recovery is to get your knee moving immediately to regain full range of motion. Pre-surgery you are rehabbing to get as much strength as possible and then literally hours after the surgery your knee is in a machine to bend it to get full range of motion back. You start rehab immediately.
I walked into surgery and out of surgery and 12 hours later my quad had shrunk by about 50%. It has nothing to do with immobilzation. Its a combo of blood flow/body reacting to the surgery. My quad was so weak after surgery that I couldn't even lift my leg from a lying flat on my back position.
Rehab was all about strenthening hip/quad/hamstring; I was asontished how the quad seemed to melt away and the doctor said that pretty much happens to everyone.
still argue that he was the best player in the draft?
Great talent, but the best player in the draft was Quenton Nelson. There really isnt an argument to be made at this point that he was the best player in the draft
Hopefully he bounces back from this, has a great couple of seasons and the giants franchise him for his 6th season and then walk away. And hopefully in that timeframe this team will be good enough to compete for a division title.
Best wishes Saquon.
2K rushing next season!
When i had mine, i ended up losing 15 lbs of muscle in my leg and my legs are nowhere near as big as Saquon's. It was shocking to see.
Doc said your quad basically melts away when they have to cut off the blood flow for the surgery.
Good to see him staying positive about it. I look forward ro him coming back better after this. I'm not looking forward to all the repetitive posters telling us we shouldn't have drafted him, we shouldn't give him a long term contract, nor how he's damaged goods when he is held out of practices leading up to next season and panicking over that.
When i had mine, i ended up losing 15 lbs of muscle in my leg and my legs are nowhere near as big as Saquon's. It was shocking to see.
Doc said your quad basically melts away when they have to cut off the blood flow for the surgery.
What? Surgery takes at most a couple hours and cut off blood flow? There is no cut off blood flow. I think you misunderstood.
Your leg atrophies because you are not using it. The leg is immobilized for weeks. It would do the same if you had your leg in a cast for a broken femur. Yes he will lose mass because his legs are artificial large because of his work outs. Without lifting several days per week, the quads would start to go back to "normal" size from lack of use.
There are actually youtube videos on complete surgeries. Had a friend get a complete knee replacement and I wanted to know what was done. I watched a teaching video from the surgeon for other surgeons, it wasn't even two hours.
Good to see him staying positive about it. I look forward ro him coming back better after this. I'm not looking forward to all the repetitive posters telling us we shouldn't have drafted him, we shouldn't give him a long term contract, nor how he's damaged goods when he is held out of practices leading up to next season and panicking over that.
👍👍👍
Hoping for the best and a full recovery for Bark.
Hoping for the best and a full recovery for Bark.
They wait sometimes because of the other parts of the injury. I suspect the MCL part of the injury made them wait for the exact reason that they want to maintain leg strength after the surgery and if the MCL heals a bit, that makes for a faster/more effective rehab
Good to see him staying positive about it. I look forward ro him coming back better after this. I'm not looking forward to all the repetitive posters telling us we shouldn't have drafted him, we shouldn't give him a long term contract, nor how he's damaged goods when he is held out of practices leading up to next season and panicking over that.
Robbie, I get your point, He s a Giant, and it would be great to finally see him play on a good team, being a dominant player again, contributing to big wins, something missing for most of the past decade.
While I agree no point in going back in rehashing the pick, not taking a running back at #2 was certainly a legitimate position.
Given another losing season, the disappointment of another injury to Barkley, some just can’t let it go.
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Why did they wait so long after the injury to do the surgery? I thought they normally do it the first week or two right after the injury.
Hoping for the best and a full recovery for Bark.
They wait sometimes because of the other parts of the injury. I suspect the MCL part of the injury made them wait for the exact reason that they want to maintain leg strength after the surgery and if the MCL heals a bit, that makes for a faster/more effective rehab
Ah thanks Mark & Bob
That said 2020 is yet another reminder that RB is a brutal position with a nearly 100% injury rate. Saquon, McCaffrey, Chubb etc ... it’s not a good bet to count on the enduring health of star RBs. In an ideal world the Giants would approximate the approach of the Niners, who through scheme and personnel seemingly have an endless wave of RBs who can play effectively (before they inevitably get hurt). Look at undrafted Jeff Wilson last week ... watch undrafted Jamycal Hasty next week.
Hope these statements don’t add to the exhaustion quotient. I hope #26 comes back roaring.
Allen had concerns about his accuracy, turnovers, competition, and for me the worst was his shoulder injury. I would always shy away from a QB, or any player, with a shoulder injury. That joint seems the most delicate and oft re-injured. The red flags were enough to stay away. Looking back through current eyes doesn't change that.
He was considered a "gold jacket type", he got hurt; that's life. QBs get hurt too.
The ultimate drafts occur when you fill a desperate need with a superior player. Gettleman made an outstanding choice, that day.
He drafted a mid first round player (Thomas) 4th over-all, that's a screw-up. Ernie Accorsi did it too drafting Shawn Williams over eventual multi- year ALL PRO & HOF Alan Faneca. It happens
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later. Reese made the same mistake with David Wilson. I don't expect Saquon to be back "better than ever". And even if he were the same runner, with this offensive line, it makes little difference.
That's bullshit. Allen was never in the equation. By any and every account Darnold was the guy of interest.
Allen had concerns about his accuracy, turnovers, competition, and for me the worst was his shoulder injury. I would always shy away from a QB, or any player, with a shoulder injury. That joint seems the most delicate and oft re-injured. The red flags were enough to stay away. Looking back through current eyes doesn't change that.
Supposedly Shurmur liked Allen the most of the 2018 QBs. Can't say for sure that would have put him in consideration for the #2 pick, but it's at least feasible that he might have been - if DG was going to take a QB, it would stand to reason that he'd at least consider the one that PS preferred.
That said, part of taking SB wasn't just that he was a choice over any of the QBs, it's that he was a choice that was specifically about not resetting with a rookie QB in general. It wasn't "we don't like any of these QBs better than Barkley" (which may have been true regardless), it was "we don't need to draft a QB because that would be wasteful since we still have Eli."
It's just fundamentally on the opposite side of spectrum to take a QB there vs. a RB, so the idea that it was ever really an either/or between Barkley and Darnold (or Allen) would suggest that the Giants went into that draft still torn on whether they were rebuilding or trying to reload to get back to the playoffs immediately like they had in 2016.
Taking SB was not just because he was a better prospect than any of the QBs, even if one believes that to be true (and it's irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make); it's because the very concept of drafting SB there suggested that DG just simply was not looking at the roster at that time as one that needed to be torn down and rebuilt.
That's why most of the asshat info going into that draft was that it would be Barkley or Bradley Chubb, with Darnold mostly listed as a footnote (like, "if their thinking changes and they go QB, it will probably be Darnold"), but I think it's fairly widely accepted that the pick was going to be Barkley or Chubb at #2. And both of those players would have represented immediate contributors to a contending team, and thus are consistent with DG's misreading of the roster when he took the job and all the other personnel moves he made that offseason.
That's bullshit. Allen was never in the equation. By any and every account Darnold was the guy of interest.
The only direct comment from an insider was from Chris Mara, in a radio interview with Russo a week after the 2018 draft, where he said: "We liked the QBs but the issue was we couldn't agree on which one. We all agreed on Barkley."
Darnold and Rosen were both very young and DG dropped a comment at one point in the process about the difficulty of a 20 yo QB leading a locker room full of men. I don't think he had any interest in either one and I doubt you can find any credible account that he did.
My hunch is that Mayfield was DG's guy, if had to pick one in that draft. Giants had BM in for multiple visits and, on draft night, DG's comment was, "After Cleveland took Baker, I said turn off the phones."
Something about the way he called him by his first name.
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He was considered a "gold jacket type", he got hurt; that's life. QBs get hurt too.
The ultimate drafts occur when you fill a desperate need with a superior player. Gettleman made an outstanding choice, that day.
He drafted a mid first round player (Thomas) 4th over-all, that's a screw-up. Ernie Accorsi did it too drafting Shawn Williams over eventual multi- year ALL PRO & HOF Alan Faneca. It happens
He was not the best player in that draft.
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But i want to see how much muscle mass he lost in his leg post surgery.
When i had mine, i ended up losing 15 lbs of muscle in my leg and my legs are nowhere near as big as Saquon's. It was shocking to see.
Doc said your quad basically melts away when they have to cut off the blood flow for the surgery.
What? Surgery takes at most a couple hours and cut off blood flow? There is no cut off blood flow. I think you misunderstood.
Your leg atrophies because you are not using it. The leg is immobilized for weeks. It would do the same if you had your leg in a cast for a broken femur. Yes he will lose mass because his legs are artificial large because of his work outs. Without lifting several days per week, the quads would start to go back to "normal" size from lack of use.
There are actually youtube videos on complete surgeries. Had a friend get a complete knee replacement and I wanted to know what was done. I watched a teaching video from the surgeon for other surgeons, it wasn't even two hours.
Yeah I know surgery only take a couple of hours, I went through it myself. And your leg is never immobilzed for weeks beofre or post ACL surgery, the whole point of the recovery is to get your knee moving immediately to regain full range of motion. Pre-surgery you are rehabbing to get as much strength as possible and then literally hours after the surgery your knee is in a machine to bend it to get full range of motion back. You start rehab immediately.
I walked into surgery and out of surgery and 12 hours later my quad had shrunk by about 50%. It has nothing to do with immobilzation. Its a combo of blood flow/body reacting to the surgery. My quad was so weak after surgery that I couldn't even lift my leg from a lying flat on my back position.
Rehab was all about strenthening hip/quad/hamstring; I was asontished how the quad seemed to melt away and the doctor said that pretty much happens to everyone.
The man is a warrior. I believe if anyone will put in the work and come back as strong as he was before the injury it is SB.
Get well SB!
The man is a warrior. I believe if anyone will put in the work and come back as strong as he was before the injury it is SB.
Get well SB!
Well said. Get well, and eventually back to 100% Saquon!
No one will work more diligently to achieve that than Saquon.
Great talent, but the best player in the draft was Quenton Nelson. There really isnt an argument to be made at this point that he was the best player in the draft
Hopefully he bounces back from this, has a great couple of seasons and the giants franchise him for his 6th season and then walk away. And hopefully in that timeframe this team will be good enough to compete for a division title.