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adamg : 10/31/2020 1:32 pm
Clemson losing to BC right now...
BC just faked a fake field goal and drew Clemson offsides  
adamg : 10/31/2020 1:36 pm : link
on 4th and 2. Wow
28 - 10 BC  
adamg : 10/31/2020 1:37 pm : link
Wow
Sunshine  
Spider43 : 10/31/2020 1:38 pm : link
Proving his worth, eh?
Certainly makes  
The_omis_orb : 10/31/2020 1:39 pm : link
Lawrence look good.

However if Clemson beats ND does this really matter?
Boston College  
lax counsel : 10/31/2020 1:48 pm : link
Qb may very well be a first round pick in 2022. That will be a strong qb class.
Clemson is Miami 2002  
BigBlueCane : 10/31/2020 1:50 pm : link
most talented team in the country but there's something missing internally.

Need that spark to ignite.
Man ever since Jets got the #1 slot  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/31/2020 1:55 pm : link
Lawrence has been going haywire... just saying
Clemson has the heir apparent to Lawrence...  
bw in dc : 10/31/2020 2:24 pm : link
in Uiageleili.

I'm not saying Lawrence will not be a really good NFL QB  
PatersonPlank : 10/31/2020 2:35 pm : link
(disclaimer upfront), however this gets back to the point of how hard it is to judge QB's at schools like Clemson and OSU. This kid steps in, is now completing 73% of his passes, 301 yds, 2 TDs, and 1 rushing TD, with 1.5 quarters still to play. He may throw for 400 yds.

Again nothing against Lawrence, but there are a lot of QB's who would look really good on this team.
Clemson with the quick comeback  
adamg : 10/31/2020 2:35 pm : link
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Paterson  
Toth029 : 10/31/2020 2:37 pm : link
I don't disagree with your notion, but Clemson has had more success than OSU for QB's at the next level. Sure Lawrence will be more than fine.
RE: I'm not saying Lawrence will not be a really good NFL QB  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/31/2020 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15030020 PatersonPlank said:
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(disclaimer upfront), however this gets back to the point of how hard it is to judge QB's at schools like Clemson and OSU. This kid steps in, is now completing 73% of his passes, 301 yds, 2 TDs, and 1 rushing TD, with 1.5 quarters still to play. He may throw for 400 yds.

Again nothing against Lawrence, but there are a lot of QB's who would look really good on this team.


The flip side to that is that because they are Clemson, they get top QB talent to come to their school. I think they were saying earlier that he was the top pocket passer coming out of HS.
Myles Murphy...  
bw in dc : 10/31/2020 2:43 pm : link
is going to be a terrific DE prospect for Clemson.

Kid is only a frosh and is already making an impact. Living up to high ranking out of Georgia...
RE: RE: I'm not saying Lawrence will not be a really good NFL QB  
PatersonPlank : 10/31/2020 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15030023 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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(disclaimer upfront), however this gets back to the point of how hard it is to judge QB's at schools like Clemson and OSU. This kid steps in, is now completing 73% of his passes, 301 yds, 2 TDs, and 1 rushing TD, with 1.5 quarters still to play. He may throw for 400 yds.

Again nothing against Lawrence, but there are a lot of QB's who would look really good on this team.



The flip side to that is that because they are Clemson, they get top QB talent to come to their school. I think they were saying earlier that he was the top pocket passer coming out of HS.


Absolutely they do. But as anyone knows with kids, there are a lot of changes going on between 18 and 22. Thats why you see guys like Cutler at Vandy, Wentz at NDSU, and McNair at Alcorn St. They get a lot bigger, more mature, and better. Conversely you see guys like Leinert at USC. These are guys who for whatever reason were better than most at 18 (could be growing earlier, better coaching/lessons, better surrounding HS team), that get passed up.

It happens in every sport, all the time.
Uiageleili was the top pocket passer...  
bw in dc : 10/31/2020 2:54 pm : link
Had a big rivalry with Bryce Young who went to Alabama.

Young was at Mater Dei and Uiageleili was at St John Bosco...two powerhouses in CA.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not saying Lawrence will not be a really good NFL QB  
joeinpa : 10/31/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15030026 PatersonPlank said:
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(disclaimer upfront), however this gets back to the point of how hard it is to judge QB's at schools like Clemson and OSU. This kid steps in, is now completing 73% of his passes, 301 yds, 2 TDs, and 1 rushing TD, with 1.5 quarters still to play. He may throw for 400 yds.

Again nothing against Lawrence, but there are a lot of QB's who would look really good on this team.



The flip side to that is that because they are Clemson, they get top QB talent to come to their school. I think they were saying earlier that he was the top pocket passer coming out of HS.



Absolutely they do. But as anyone knows with kids, there are a lot of changes going on between 18 and 22. Thats why you see guys like Cutler at Vandy, Wentz at NDSU, and McNair at Alcorn St. They get a lot bigger, more mature, and better. Conversely you see guys like Leinert at USC. These are guys who for whatever reason were better than most at 18 (could be growing earlier, better coaching/lessons, better surrounding HS team), that get passed up.

It happens in every sport, all the time.


Good post
RE: Sunshine  
jomps : 10/31/2020 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15029983 Spider43 said:
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Proving his worth, eh?


Nah, according to some he doesn't play good teams so it's impossible to say if he's good.
Harbaugh's  
Jon in NYC : 10/31/2020 3:34 pm : link
probably gone after this year, right?

Everyone on the Wisconsin roster has COVID and we'd still probably wipe the floor with Michigan.
Hee-hee  
Spider43 : 10/31/2020 3:37 pm : link
Does anyone else enjoy Jim Harbaugh losses as much as me?
RE: Harbaugh's  
chopperhatch : 10/31/2020 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15030050 Jon in NYC said:
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probably gone after this year, right?

Everyone on the Wisconsin roster has COVID and we'd still probably wipe the floor with Michigan.


Hes gotta be. I watched that last drive where he wasdown by 2 scores with 2 min left. They were calling outside QB runs and dinking and dunking down the field. I turned in toff when they jad like 40 secs left down by ten and hes calling run plays up the middle.

I never like his offensive play calls.
Ok, enough with the preliminary's - Its time for the undefeated  
PatersonPlank : 10/31/2020 3:42 pm : link
unbeatable Scarlet Knights to take the field
Ummm. WTF is Michigan State doing?  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:43 pm : link
They won this game, but why the fuck wouldn't you take a knee?
RE: Harbaugh's  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15030050 Jon in NYC said:
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probably gone after this year, right? .


Gotta think. He's been absolute shit against Ohio State
RE: RE: Sunshine  
LBH15 : 10/31/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15030048 jomps said:
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Proving his worth, eh?



Nah, according to some he doesn't play good teams so it's impossible to say if he's good.


No I think the point is it’s better to evaluate how well he plays against better caliber teams than most of the ACC.

RE: Ummm. WTF is Michigan State doing?  
Jon in NYC : 10/31/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15030059 Anakim said:
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They won this game, but why the fuck wouldn't you take a knee?


I think the TV graphic was messed up. Michigan had all 3 timeouts.
So Michigan lost to Michigan State which lost to Rutgers  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:46 pm : link
So... Rutgers > Michigan?
RE: RE: Ummm. WTF is Michigan State doing?  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15030063 Jon in NYC said:
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They won this game, but why the fuck wouldn't you take a knee?



I think the TV graphic was messed up. Michigan had all 3 timeouts.


Oh okay. That would make sense
Jim Harbaugh  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:48 pm : link
1-6 against Ohio State and Michigan State ain't gonna cut it.
RE: RE: RE: Sunshine  
jomps : 10/31/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15030062 LBH15 said:
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Proving his worth, eh?



Nah, according to some he doesn't play good teams so it's impossible to say if he's good.



No I think the point is it’s better to evaluate how well he plays against better caliber teams than most of the ACC.


You're definitely right. But games like this shows his worth too, I mean it's a little futile to do this exercise but my guess is Clemson never trails past 7-0 if Lawrence plays in this game.
RE: Jim Harbaugh  
bw in dc : 10/31/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15030068 Anakim said:
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1-6 against Ohio State and Michigan State ain't gonna cut it.


That was a bad loss.
LOL. WTF Is that LSU lineman doing?  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:53 pm : link
Auburn defender targets the QB and the LSU lineman helps the Auburn player up?
RE: LOL. WTF Is that LSU lineman doing?  
Anakim : 10/31/2020 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15030072 Anakim said:
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Auburn defender targets the QB and the LSU lineman helps the Auburn player up?


Okay, wasn't targeting, but the QB's helmet still came off. Why the hell would you help the Auburn player up?
Lets fucking go RU.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/31/2020 4:05 pm : link
NFL level on that TD throw and they have a defense that flies around the ball. Rutgers is going to be tough this tear
RE: RE: RE: I'm not saying Lawrence will not be a really good NFL QB  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/31/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15030026 PatersonPlank said:
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(disclaimer upfront), however this gets back to the point of how hard it is to judge QB's at schools like Clemson and OSU. This kid steps in, is now completing 73% of his passes, 301 yds, 2 TDs, and 1 rushing TD, with 1.5 quarters still to play. He may throw for 400 yds.

Again nothing against Lawrence, but there are a lot of QB's who would look really good on this team.



The flip side to that is that because they are Clemson, they get top QB talent to come to their school. I think they were saying earlier that he was the top pocket passer coming out of HS.



Absolutely they do. But as anyone knows with kids, there are a lot of changes going on between 18 and 22. Thats why you see guys like Cutler at Vandy, Wentz at NDSU, and McNair at Alcorn St. They get a lot bigger, more mature, and better. Conversely you see guys like Leinert at USC. These are guys who for whatever reason were better than most at 18 (could be growing earlier, better coaching/lessons, better surrounding HS team), that get passed up.

It happens in every sport, all the time.


This happens because recruiting out of high school is extraordinarily difficult if they aren’t playing at power programs. It’s why teams love to recruit at FL, California, and Texas. These guys all go to massive schools that are highly into football and they playing fields are closer to even. Same reason why it’s very difficult to recruit out of NJ. There’s a billion small schools with talent level all over the place.

Not to say there aren’t late bloomers, but most guys that have NFL size tend to be early bloomers. The dudes with massive bone structure that these guys have at most positions.
I’m staring to think harbaugh goes and coaches the Jets  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/31/2020 4:20 pm : link
Would be perfect spot for him.
RE: Lets fucking go RU.  
EricJ : 10/31/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15030077 Zeke's Alibi said:
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NFL level on that TD throw and they have a defense that flies around the ball. Rutgers is going to be tough this tear


I am watching... lets see how this season progresses. They are getting lucky today with a lot of drops by the opposing receivers.
I think for money reasons  
BigBlueCane : 10/31/2020 5:00 pm : link
its gonna be tougher then usual to fire a highly regarded and paid head coach like Harbaugh.
He's also out  
Spider43 : 10/31/2020 7:06 pm : link
Versus the Irish next weekend.
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College play of the year...  
EricJ : 10/31/2020 7:09 pm : link
Rutgers with about 10 laterals and scores...
.  
Banks : 10/31/2020 7:10 pm : link
Damn so close. It was amazing even though it was called back
Other than Micah Parsons and Fields  
chopperhatch : 10/31/2020 7:22 pm : link
Are there any potential 1st rounders we should watch for tonight?
RE: Harbaugh's  
BigBlueShock : 10/31/2020 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15030050 Jon in NYC said:
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probably gone after this year, right?

Everyone on the Wisconsin roster has COVID and we'd still probably wipe the floor with Michigan.

I guess the I’ve affair between Michigan fans and Harbaugh is over? Holy shit, remember when he was hired at Michigan? This board absolutely exploded with non stop Harbaugh circle jerks from all these random “Michigan fans” on this board coming out of the woodwork. It was the strangest thing. How the hell are there so many Michigan fans on a NY Giants board? Of course, we don’t hear from them anymore...
RE: Other than Micah Parsons and Fields  
BigBlueShock : 10/31/2020 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15030135 chopperhatch said:
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Are there any potential 1st rounders we should watch for tonight?

Parsons opted out....
RE: Clemson is Miami 2002  
chopperhatch : 10/31/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15029991 BigBlueCane said:
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most talented team in the country but there's something missing internally.

Need that spark to ignite.


As far as I remember, that 2002 team was awesome and were winning that OSU game except for McGahee's devastating injury.
RE: RE: Other than Micah Parsons and Fields  
chopperhatch : 10/31/2020 7:28 pm : link
In comment 15030137 BigBlueShock said:
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Are there any potential 1st rounders we should watch for tonight?


Parsons opted out....


Ahhh thats right.
Mac Jones...  
bw in dc : 10/31/2020 7:36 pm : link
is very interesting. I really like his pocket presence. Very poised and good footwork. Steps into the pocket and keeps his head on his reads.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm not saying Lawrence will not be a really good NFL QB  
markky : 10/31/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15030082 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Same reason why it’s very difficult to recruit out of NJ. There’s a billion small schools with talent level all over the place.


Because for 3 years in the late 1800's any group of people in NJ could decide to create their own municipality. There has been some consolidation but there are still so many towns in NJ compared to other states. Anyway, Trevor Lawrence will be fine. He's the real deal. The new freshman QB behind him is a 5 star. He's one to keep an eye on for the 2023 draft.
Wilson  
MookGiants : 10/31/2020 11:26 pm : link
on BYU is going to be a big time NFL quarterback.

He's going to go after Lawrence and Fields, but this is a really good QB class.

I like Jones but i would have zero issue if the new front office decides they don't think he's a franchise QB and trades back and then takes Wilson. I would prefer Wilson over the kid from NDSU and Fields
RE: RE: Clemson is Miami 2002  
MookGiants : 10/31/2020 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15030139 chopperhatch said:
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most talented team in the country but there's something missing internally.

Need that spark to ignite.



As far as I remember, that 2002 team was awesome and were winning that OSU game except for McGahee's devastating injury.


You mean except for the worst call possibly ever in a championship game to cost Miami the title on Glenn Sharpe
I'm so convinced  
MookGiants : 10/31/2020 11:40 pm : link
of this guy being a stud in the NFL. I really think the move is to move back with someone who loves Fields or one of the tackles, take what you can get for Jones, and draft Wilson with your first pick.

I am not shitting on Jones  
MookGiants : 10/31/2020 11:55 pm : link
by any means because I do think he can be solid but I think thats his ceiling and don't think he has any chance to reach that ceiling with the Giants, they have already pissed away 2 years of his rookie contract. He would be better off going somewhere else that has a solid team around him.

If Jones can be taken with the 6th pick then drafting a guy like Wilson in the top 10 is not unreasonable at all. As a prospect I think Wilson is better in nearly every area.
RE: I am not shitting on Jones  
chopperhatch : 11/1/2020 12:06 am : link
In comment 15030256 MookGiants said:
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by any means because I do think he can be solid but I think thats his ceiling and don't think he has any chance to reach that ceiling with the Giants, they have already pissed away 2 years of his rookie contract. He would be better off going somewhere else that has a solid team around him.

If Jones can be taken with the 6th pick then drafting a guy like Wilson in the top 10 is not unreasonable at all. As a prospect I think Wilson is better in nearly every area.


I havent watched Wson play, so I cant comment on his play as a QB. I would definitely question the level of comp he faces. But also, he is REALLY light in the ass. 6'3 209 is TINY. I know you can add some weight in the NFL, but look around. Most of these QBs these days not only can run, but are sturdy as hell. Hell Jones is like 235 now.
Even after all these years....  
Greg from LI : 11/1/2020 12:19 am : link
Mack Brown still cant win in Charlottesville
Russell  
MookGiants : 11/1/2020 12:58 am : link
Wilson was 204 I believe at the combine, and Wilson likely will be in the 220 range come the combine he'll pack on the pounds.

Competition is a fair question, but he also doesn't play with great players either.
RE: Russell  
chopperhatch : 11/1/2020 1:38 am : link
In comment 15030268 MookGiants said:
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Wilson was 204 I believe at the combine, and Wilson likely will be in the 220 range come the combine he'll pack on the pounds.

Competition is a fair question, but he also doesn't play with great players either.


Wilson also is 5'10 and a half. That's a much sturder frame than Wilson. Wilson had about the same measurements size-wise as Tiki Barber at that combine. He's 215 now. Just a perspective...Eli was 6'4" and 220 coming out and he was by no means big.

But I guess we'll have to see. Will have to watch him next time hes on.
RE: Wilson  
jomps : 11/1/2020 1:10 am : link
In comment 15030250 MookGiants said:
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on BYU is going to be a big time NFL quarterback.

He's going to go after Lawrence and Fields, but this is a really good QB class.

I like Jones but i would have zero issue if the new front office decides they don't think he's a franchise QB and trades back and then takes Wilson. I would prefer Wilson over the kid from NDSU and Fields


Really? I mean, I like all I've seen from Wilson, but trade Jones for him? Can u give me some more insight as to why you'd do that? Honest question.
RE: I am not shitting on Jones  
jomps : 11/1/2020 1:30 am : link
In comment 15030256 MookGiants said:
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by any means because I do think he can be solid but I think thats his ceiling and don't think he has any chance to reach that ceiling with the Giants, they have already pissed away 2 years of his rookie contract. He would be better off going somewhere else that has a solid team around him.

If Jones can be taken with the 6th pick then drafting a guy like Wilson in the top 10 is not unreasonable at all. As a prospect I think Wilson is better in nearly every area.


Does is it really make sense to you?
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