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EricJ : 11/15/2020 4:08 pm
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Jones impressed me today  
jhibb : 11/15/2020 6:20 pm : link
with the way he handled the wind. Wentz had quite a few passes sail on him.
Wen was the last time our offensive line  
gtt350 : 11/15/2020 6:28 pm : link
plowed the whole defensive line into the end zone on the goal line.
I was yelling who the hell are these guys? great stuff today.
And that fucking ref ruining Jone's second TD was a ridiculous call
Watch the Bengals game on now to get  
Simms11 : 11/15/2020 6:33 pm : link
and idea of what the Giants will be seeing in a few weeks.
Great win!  
trueblueinpw : 11/15/2020 6:41 pm : link
This team is really well coached. Even with the sputtering drive at the end of the half they managed to not give the ball away or allow any cheap points before the half. And yeah, they gave up the TD out of the gate to the second half but then punched right back with those two nice throws down field by Jones.

Offense, defense and specials played well. The coaches had good game plans and worked the game situations exactly right. I think this might be the most complete game I’ve seen from Big Blue in years. I’m very happy.
I wouldn't say I'm yet at a point where I can say I feel good about  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 6:44 pm : link
this year. But, after the last few weeks, I at least feel good that we don't outright suck and I am optimistic for the future.

Plus, after the bye, I am excited to see McKinney and Ximinesback. Perhaps with the extra practice time Holmes can push for the #2 CB spot. On D, with everyone healthy, we are only 2 or 3 players from being a good D. Not, great, but good enough to rely on.
Threw some back afterwards.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2020 6:46 pm : link
Man...this win felt goooood.
GREAT WIN.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/15/2020 6:52 pm : link
Huge to finally beat the Eagles. Such a well played game by the Giants today. More of this, please!
This team still needs some front office changes  
ajr2456 : 11/15/2020 6:57 pm : link
And has some glaring holes but they have what could turn out to be a top 10 staff in the league, if not better.

Hopefully they get some deep playoff runs in before Graham gets a head coaching gig.
Don’t want to start  
Everyone Relax : 11/15/2020 6:58 pm : link
a new thread for this, but Drew Lock suuuuuuuuucks
It all comes down to the offensive line play  
Hammer : 11/15/2020 7:18 pm : link
For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.

Everything grows from there.
RE: Is there anything more beautiful than Giants in victory formation  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2020 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15046349 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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with the Eagles on the other side?


No Joe Pisarcik or Herman Edwards...
RE: It all comes down to the offensive line play  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15046602 Hammer said:
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For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.

Everything grows from there.
Agreed. For years, I never felt good in short yardage situations. Now, you see Gallman waltzing into the end zone.
what just happened to the Bills...  
jnoble : 11/15/2020 7:27 pm : link
Boy I'm glad that wasn't us
LOL


Holy crap
Just checking back in...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2020 7:36 pm : link
I feel good/I knew that I would, now/So good, so good
It’s not really about the turnovers  
Carl in CT : 11/15/2020 7:39 pm : link
The game is easy when your OL can block. Thats what stops 75% of the turnovers.
RE: It all comes down to the offensive line play  
ColHowPepper : 11/15/2020 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15046602 Hammer said:
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For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.Everything grows from there.
Not sure the OL is yet at the point of 'protecting the quarterback"...3 sacks, 7 hits, lots of times Jones running for his life. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Is it improving? I think so, but a long way to go.

And to the clueless poster who ripped Jones for not throwing the perfect strike to EE in Q4 because it was to the outside and OOB, he had a DL with an arm in his face throwing off his back foot. But, yes, back to your scheduled programming of bashing Jones.
It figures there’d be tornado warnings in the tri state area tonight  
djm : 11/15/2020 9:17 pm : link
This game was so rare. A nice “normal” 60 minute NYG win over Philly, in a big game no less. The universe is all fucked up from today’s events.

Fantastic win. Jones looked superb. All around great effort.
One interesting stat is neither  
Gregorio : 11/15/2020 9:21 pm : link
team committed a turnover. NYG also had relatively few penalties. These are signs of effective coaching, players are making progress.
Didn’t mention it before, but jeez Doug Peterson.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/15/2020 9:26 pm : link
As badly as Miles Sanders was kicking the Giants ass today and Boston Scott kicks their ass every day, they should’ve had 35-40 carries between them. Then he kept putting Jalen Hurt in the game for no fucking reason whatsoever. So instead of running the ball, he bailed the Giants out with a combo of Carson Wentz not doing much and Jason Kelce apparently snapping shotgun snaps for the first time ever.
Great game  
HomerJones45 : 11/15/2020 9:29 pm : link
Jonesy played well, good gameplan, well executed. They looked like the better team today. Keep it going.
This team is so good,  
Silver Spoon : 11/15/2020 9:56 pm : link
it almost feels like a 4 win team.
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 10:51 pm : link
I said 6 wins. Still feel good about it.

Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
RE: ...  
AcesUp : 11/15/2020 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15046875 ryanmkeane said:
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I said 6 wins. Still feel good about it.

Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.


They won their 3rd game. Yes, people will praise them when they win.
Aces  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 11:19 pm : link
you miss the point of the post entirely, per usual.
True  
AcesUp : 11/15/2020 11:23 pm : link
The calculus of “I told you guys things were good” after winning a game was a little too much for me to grasp.
Aces  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 11:32 pm : link
the very fact that you refuse to acknowledge progress shows just about everything we need to know. There’s a difference between getting your ass kicked, and losing a hard fought game that you could argue you outplayed the other opponent for the majority of the game. Giants have done that multiple times this year and come up short.

My point was that lots of posters were simply blind to this notion, or refused to believe it because of their hatred for DG or Mara or Jones or whatever. And even after a nice win today, it’s still happening.

Just when are the Giants going to get credit for doing something good? First it was well Washington sucks so what. Now today we have posters today “well Philly sucks.” I guess Tampa must suck too. I guess the Rams aren’t good either.
I remember a time about  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 11:35 pm : link
2 weeks ago where posters were raving about Carson Wentz and his ability to “lift up his teammates, it’s a special quality” when saying Jones never does it. How’d that go today?
A good win, more progress  
JonC : 11/15/2020 11:36 pm : link
Never sucks to beat the Eagles, even when they're struggling.

OL, Jones, receivers, Gallman, all are improving and Jones protected the football nicely for a second game in a row.

Defense played with more discipline. Big thing I see on this side is the lack of second level and backend talent on the Edges and Corner. Tough to scheme around those two bare spots, and often leads to them failing to get stops and get off the field when they really should.

Also leads me to wonder if part of their plan is build up the middle, rather than try to find the impact Edge talent that's so hard to find. Patriots never really had great Edge players either, but the defense was smart, well-prepared, tough, and play strong up the middle to make up for it.

Did a much better job today, but still. need. finishers. The top talent that wins championships. Will Jones be that type of QB is a big question to answer, as well as can they get a defensive star up front from the 2021 draft who fits the scheme and plan.
When have I refused to acknowledge progress?  
AcesUp : 11/15/2020 11:38 pm : link
They’re getting better. The coaches and the players, they’ve improved over the last month. The point is they were really bad before and deserved criticism and they need to continue to progress before any victory laps. Otherwise, we’re picking in the top 6 for the 4th consecutive season.
RE: Impressive that  
BlackLight : 11/15/2020 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15046454 Des51 said:
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we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.


I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.

Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.

Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.

So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.
RE: ...  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 7:26 am : link
In comment 15046875 ryanmkeane said:
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I said 6 wins. Still feel good about it.

Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.


You were one of the few definitely suggesting they would come to life in the second half of the season. Hopefully they keep it up and make you look good.
RE: RE: Impressive that  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 7:34 am : link
In comment 15046916 BlackLight said:
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we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.



I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.

Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.

Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.

So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.


I think "encouraged" is a bit more fitting than impressive.

Good point on the upcoming bye week and being complacent. Eagles were absolutely sloppy yesterday coming off theirs. How many times did they screw up the snap from Center...6 maybe? Lots of penalties although not enough for some. Dropped balls.

Maybe the Giants can play a scrimmage.
You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.  
Ivan15 : 11/16/2020 7:51 am : link
Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.
Good timing to suggest that after Brady  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 7:53 am : link
throws 5 TDs in yesterday's game.

Nice manager.
RE: You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.  
BigBlueShock : 11/16/2020 8:11 am : link
In comment 15046990 Ivan15 said:
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Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.

If you watched that game and came away thinking Jones was nothing more than a “good game manager” you don’t know what the fuck you’re watching
I don't mean to sound cruel  
djm : 11/16/2020 9:50 am : link
but using the good game manager label is just lazy and stupid.

If by game mgr you mean Jones was the most important and best player on the field yesterday? Sure.
RE: RE: You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 15047006 BigBlueShock said:
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Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.


If you watched that game and came away thinking Jones was nothing more than a “good game manager” you don’t know what the fuck you’re watching


I mean that’s what he was yesterday. There’s nothing wrong with that.
this needs to be said  
djm : 11/16/2020 9:59 am : link
but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.

And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?

Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.

It's all about the coaching.

Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
RE: this needs to be said  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 15047204 djm said:
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but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.

And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?

Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.

It's all about the coaching.

Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.


You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.
So how much  
crick n NC : 11/16/2020 10:07 am : link
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
RE: So how much  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 15047230 crick n NC said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.


And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
I didnt  
crick n NC : 11/16/2020 10:29 am : link
Say Gettleman should be "absolved". The point is, it was considered an excuse as a defense of Gettleman, now it seems Judge is being used as an excuse to keep any credit from Gettleman. Two things or more can be right and more than likely are.

Gettleman has made mistakes, Judge is doing a great job coaching these current players and Gettleman has landed some good players that make the coaches job easier.
RE: RE: So how much  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 15047244 ajr2456 said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.


If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
djm  
JonC : 11/16/2020 11:39 am : link
Oh boy, butthurt is no way to go through life.
RE: RE: RE: So how much  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 11:52 am : link
In comment 15047309 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.



If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out


The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
RE: RE: this needs to be said  
djm : 11/16/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15047220 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15047204 djm said:


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but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.

And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?

Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.

It's all about the coaching.

Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.



You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.


lets see how it looks by week 17. Slowly we are seeing some question marks from September turn into answers by mid November.

*****I shouldn't be calling anyone out today I am better than that. I will walk my puff piece back. lets just keep winning games and BBI can be the good ship lolipop.****


peace and love PEACE AND LOVE.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So how much  
crick n NC : 11/16/2020 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15047566 ajr2456 said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.



If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out



The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.


That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.
I'm in full on schadenfreude mode here  
j_rud : 11/16/2020 1:00 pm : link
and just listened to Doug Pederson's day after presser. He was thin skinned, irritable, and sarcastic. Talking heads are calling him a bully and he's getting absolutely destroyed for it.

I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.
RE: I'm in full on schadenfreude mode here  
BillKo : 11/16/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15047718 j_rud said:
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and just listened to Doug Pederson's day after presser. He was thin skinned, irritable, and sarcastic. Talking heads are calling him a bully and he's getting absolutely destroyed for it.

I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.


Unless they are playing NYG or WASH, they aren't winning games. Look at their record over the last three years, minus those two teams.

And those days are coming to an end............
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ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15047708 crick n NC said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.



If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out



The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.



That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.


Pass protection is much tougher to gage but it could be telling the run game has been better without him
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