Best game by Jones, back to back 0 turnover games, D is really starting to establish itself. Big step forward this week with those two stops to close it out. The last several years, Philly finds a way to put 10-14 points on the board under those circumstances. Nice win.
The buy is both a blessing and a curse for us right now. IT's good to have it for Ximines and McKinney to get a lot of work in before getting on the field. But, with an actual winning streak, they want to get right back on the field.
is everything that sucks or doesn't work isn't playing aggresive enough, but when we get scorched or give up a TD its all the prevent defense. This is a soft zone defense, and considering our personnel makes a ton of sense. Parsons from PSU would look great in another form of BLUE! He can cover the middle of the field next to Martinez.
Well coached team who is talent deficient but they play hard and close every week (other then the 49ers game )
Jones played terrific today. Threw some really good passes, ran the ball very well, no turnovers 2nd week in a row, and didn't force any throws and took sacks when he needed to.
Very encouraging game from the team and for Jones growth going forward
WFT in the division. Yes, the whole division sucks. But, for several years now, they found ways to lose these games. Going out back to back weeks and beating teams they have every right and chance to win, instead of blowing it, is huge. First winning streak in a long time. They have to be confident going in to the bye.
to being a good team. Been awhile since I've been able to really believe that. Easier to live with the ups and downs when the team is going in the right direction.
Giants looked decent on both d and O. Great on specials.
WFT in the division. Yes, the whole division sucks. But, for several years now, they found ways to lose these games. Going out back to back weeks and beating teams they have every right and chance to win, instead of blowing it, is huge. First winning streak in a long time. They have to be confident going in to the bye.
Yup, and the Eagles were healthier than last time and coming off a bye. Sanders, Kelce, and Jeffrey back. No grading this one on a curve, we stood toe to toe with the Eagles and knocked them out
Before Hernandez replaced the injured Zeitler late in the 3rd, had either him or Peart been in? Did Peart play at all? I don't get even the notion of a rotation. Just play Lemieux and Peart for Zeitler and Fleming.
No complaints from me. Judge looks like one helluva coach. Solid work from the offense. Defense is hanging in there. Specials teams may be our strength - Gano and Dixon are having incredible seasons.
I've gotten conditioned to not believing it was possible to beat this team. It's not that we lose we just find the craziest way to lose. This goes as far back as 2003 with the Westbrook punt game. Might even say back to 2001 with the Lambuth Special and that first game we should have won too.
What a great Sunday afternoon. A huge hump to get over!
The PI on Holmes was really a questionable call. The hold on Thomas on Jones TD was bullshit as Sweat should have been called for hands to the face and Thomas never held, anyway.
Judge has some good ammo to send to the league office.
The last Gano FG was a mini version of the game ...
FG to put the game away, looks like its slicing wide right, everyone thinking "here we go again", and then someone in heaven said "there will be no miracle in the meadowlands part 1000 today", and the ball hooked right back in.
Teaching philosophy with a teaching staff
Fundamentals and details
Players started with a clean slate (e.g. Gallman emerged from his 2019 doghouse)
The result is a team that as the season goes on
- has no communication problems (backfield confusion in 2019)
- makes fewer mistakes as the season goes on
- the team retains confidence despite early losses
If they can take the division, this team may go deeper in the playoffs than most assume.
a really solid game, although there were too many plays where we were gashed in run defense. But we didn't beat ourselves on or off the field. Judge coached a good game. The team plays hard for him. Really happy with the win.
Before Hernandez replaced the injured Zeitler late in the 3rd, had either him or Peart been in? Did Peart play at all? I don't get even the notion of a rotation. Just play Lemieux and Peart for Zeitler and Fleming.
Peart was in at least once. I saw him on a goal line play.
the perfect pulse for this team right now. Pushing all the right buttons. Good game plan and execution for the most part on offense and defense. Can’t really argue with a single thing today.
The best thing about todays game was Jones handling of the ball
When the pocket started collapsing he would just tuck it down and try to run. Usually would just get back to the LOS or so, but no tipped passes going for Ints.
Wentz came out in the second half red hot. On second down, he inserts Hurts under center in an obvious run for no gain, forcing 3rd and long. They wind up punting, killing their momentum.
That sequence of playcalling after the huge Slayton catch almost gave me a nervous breakdown.
Well in FG range, the game changes from needing yards to simply needing to burn clock and protect field position.
Instead: they go shotgun 3 times. 1st play an east-west end around that loses yardage. 3rd play gets blown up in the backfield and almost causes a fumble.
Just line up in a Jumbo formation and run up the gut 3 times. Even taking 3 knees is a sound strategy there.
Defense got me frustrated with the 2 DL deployment and getting gouged in the run game, but it is the bend but don’t break. When push came to shove they did find a way to get pressure
Thought outside of the weak holding call, Thomas played well. They had a good push again
I agree, He played a very good game. Best of this season, but no way best of his career. That was against Washington late lat season when he went 28-42 for 352 yds with 5 touchdown passes and 0 int. Still did a terrific job of protecting the ball and managing the game. He showed growth which is something he had not been doing all season.
From what I saw on both sides of the ball. Improvements all around and DJ seemed to have more control of the offense for reasons beyond my drunk ass. : )
In the 4th quarter. Besides having a very solid game, I really appreciated Gallman’s obvious passion throughout the contest. It was obvious many of the players really, really wanted to win.
The streak is over. Gotta give a Ric Flair WOOOOOOOOO!
Teaching philosophy with a teaching staff
Fundamentals and details
Players started with a clean slate (e.g. Gallman emerged from his 2019 doghouse)
The result is a team that as the season goes on
- has no communication problems (backfield confusion in 2019)
- makes fewer mistakes as the season goes on
- the team retains confidence despite early losses
If they can take the division, this team may go deeper in the playoffs than most assume.
We would get smacked in the playoffs just because we don't have the talent to compete at that level yet. However, with the right moves, we would have a legit playoff team next year
Giants are competing and winning more often than not on the lines. There is more talent than people think on the team and some Mckinney might be a nice add with Xman providing depth. The turnaround is they are playing more and more as a team. Well done and happy they get a break from the game for a bit on a positive note.
Misleading. They had 22 first downs. Same amount as the Giants. They just got their first downs on first and second down.
Why is it misleading? I wouldn't undersell that. The NFL average third down conversion is around 40%. Philly was at 43% entering the game.
Those are key opportunities to stop or continue drives. To stop points or add points the other way with change of possession. So that is a great credit to the D.
RE: This feels like a playoff win after the past few seasons.
FG to put the game away, looks like its slicing wide right, everyone thinking "here we go again", and then someone in heaven said "there will be no miracle in the meadowlands part 1000 today", and the ball hooked right back in.
FG to put the game away, looks like its slicing wide right, everyone thinking "here we go again", and then someone in heaven said "there will be no miracle in the meadowlands part 1000 today", and the ball hooked right back in.
Before Hernandez replaced the injured Zeitler late in the 3rd, had either him or Peart been in? Did Peart play at all? I don't get even the notion of a rotation. Just play Lemieux and Peart for Zeitler and Fleming.
Peart was in the game on the 3rd drive (I think) following the 2 TDs. His man beat him around the edge on 3rd down causing an errant throw by Jones.
Double digit leads in their last 6 games. They are going to start expecting to win and do well in these games. The tide is turning.
We should be 5-0 in the NFC East for sure. Dalton made a lucky throw to Gallup at the end of that game in Dallas and Engram dropped that easy catch in Philly. What I hope starts happening is that they use the Eagles win as a springboard to start beating other real teams. The schedule is moderately hard and there are a couple of really difficult away games (Baltimore and Seattle) there which are likely losses. However, we have Cincinnati, Cleveland, Arizona and Dallas which are all winnable
He finally read those threatening letters GO TERPS sent to his house and designed running plays for the quarterback. The TD and the almost TD were excellent plays.
Jones did an excellent job in the second half because the Giants badly needed to score after the Eagles TD. (BTW, FUCK BOSTON SCOTT!!! Does this guy do anything against anyone else?) The deep throws to contested Shep and Tate were great. The catch by Slayton on the not so good throw was great.
Props to Nick Gates. I didn’t watch him the entire game, but he made some great blocks during the game.
The defense was ugly at times, but the “bend but don’t break” style worked again. Late in the game, they kept putting the Eagles in 2nd/3rd and longs.
Gino with his first kick with pressure and a bad snap. Good job.
Gotta give Joe Judge a TON of credit. Wouldn’t it be amazing if Judge and Brian Flores were the two best coaches of the Belicheck tree and not the big name assistant?
for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.
Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.
I will wake up a bit earlier to get WIP going. Suck it Cataldi!
I usually check in Friday before Giants-Eagles games to hear what they're saying, and he was talking tons of shit about Jones. Its gonna be glorious...
Wentz came out in the second half red hot. On second down, he inserts Hurts under center in an obvious run for no gain, forcing 3rd and long. They wind up punting, killing their momentum.
It's amazing how much they went to Hurts in these two games. Free down for the Giants. It feels like a mandate from Roseman to make his pick look good or something.
I've gotten conditioned to not believing it was possible to beat this team. It's not that we lose we just find the craziest way to lose. This goes as far back as 2003 with the Westbrook punt game. Might even say back to 2001 with the Lambuth Special and that first game we should have won too.
I agree, He played a very good game. Best of this season, but no way best of his career. That was against Washington late lat season when he went 28-42 for 352 yds with 5 touchdown passes and 0 int. Still did a terrific job of protecting the ball and managing the game. He showed growth which is something he had not been doing all season.
Jones had 3 games last year where he threw for >300 yards, 4 tds, and no interceptions. Those 3 games were pretty good too.
That sequence of playcalling after the huge Slayton catch almost gave me a nervous breakdown.
Well in FG range, the game changes from needing yards to simply needing to burn clock and protect field position.
Instead: they go shotgun 3 times. 1st play an east-west end around that loses yardage. 3rd play gets blown up in the backfield and almost causes a fumble.
Just line up in a Jumbo formation and run up the gut 3 times. Even taking 3 knees is a sound strategy there.
plowed the whole defensive line into the end zone on the goal line.
I was yelling who the hell are these guys? great stuff today.
And that fucking ref ruining Jone's second TD was a ridiculous call
This team is really well coached. Even with the sputtering drive at the end of the half they managed to not give the ball away or allow any cheap points before the half. And yeah, they gave up the TD out of the gate to the second half but then punched right back with those two nice throws down field by Jones.
Offense, defense and specials played well. The coaches had good game plans and worked the game situations exactly right. I think this might be the most complete game I’ve seen from Big Blue in years. I’m very happy.
I wouldn't say I'm yet at a point where I can say I feel good about
this year. But, after the last few weeks, I at least feel good that we don't outright suck and I am optimistic for the future.
Plus, after the bye, I am excited to see McKinney and Ximinesback. Perhaps with the extra practice time Holmes can push for the #2 CB spot. On D, with everyone healthy, we are only 2 or 3 players from being a good D. Not, great, but good enough to rely on.
For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.Everything grows from there.
Not sure the OL is yet at the point of 'protecting the quarterback"...3 sacks, 7 hits, lots of times Jones running for his life. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Is it improving? I think so, but a long way to go.
And to the clueless poster who ripped Jones for not throwing the perfect strike to EE in Q4 because it was to the outside and OOB, he had a DL with an arm in his face throwing off his back foot. But, yes, back to your scheduled programming of bashing Jones.
It figures there’d be tornado warnings in the tri state area tonight
As badly as Miles Sanders was kicking the Giants ass today and Boston Scott kicks their ass every day, they should’ve had 35-40 carries between them. Then he kept putting Jalen Hurt in the game for no fucking reason whatsoever. So instead of running the ball, he bailed the Giants out with a combo of Carson Wentz not doing much and Jason Kelce apparently snapping shotgun snaps for the first time ever.
Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
They won their 3rd game. Yes, people will praise them when they win.
the very fact that you refuse to acknowledge progress shows just about everything we need to know. There’s a difference between getting your ass kicked, and losing a hard fought game that you could argue you outplayed the other opponent for the majority of the game. Giants have done that multiple times this year and come up short.
My point was that lots of posters were simply blind to this notion, or refused to believe it because of their hatred for DG or Mara or Jones or whatever. And even after a nice win today, it’s still happening.
Just when are the Giants going to get credit for doing something good? First it was well Washington sucks so what. Now today we have posters today “well Philly sucks.” I guess Tampa must suck too. I guess the Rams aren’t good either.
2 weeks ago where posters were raving about Carson Wentz and his ability to “lift up his teammates, it’s a special quality” when saying Jones never does it. How’d that go today?
Never sucks to beat the Eagles, even when they're struggling.
OL, Jones, receivers, Gallman, all are improving and Jones protected the football nicely for a second game in a row.
Defense played with more discipline. Big thing I see on this side is the lack of second level and backend talent on the Edges and Corner. Tough to scheme around those two bare spots, and often leads to them failing to get stops and get off the field when they really should.
Also leads me to wonder if part of their plan is build up the middle, rather than try to find the impact Edge talent that's so hard to find. Patriots never really had great Edge players either, but the defense was smart, well-prepared, tough, and play strong up the middle to make up for it.
Did a much better job today, but still. need. finishers. The top talent that wins championships. Will Jones be that type of QB is a big question to answer, as well as can they get a defensive star up front from the 2021 draft who fits the scheme and plan.
They’re getting better. The coaches and the players, they’ve improved over the last month. The point is they were really bad before and deserved criticism and they need to continue to progress before any victory laps. Otherwise, we’re picking in the top 6 for the 4th consecutive season.
we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.
I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.
Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.
Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.
So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.
Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
You were one of the few definitely suggesting they would come to life in the second half of the season. Hopefully they keep it up and make you look good.
we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.
I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.
Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.
Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.
So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.
I think "encouraged" is a bit more fitting than impressive.
Good point on the upcoming bye week and being complacent. Eagles were absolutely sloppy yesterday coming off theirs. How many times did they screw up the snap from Center...6 maybe? Lots of penalties although not enough for some. Dropped balls.
Maybe the Giants can play a scrimmage.
You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.
but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.
And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?
Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.
It's all about the coaching.
Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.
And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?
Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.
It's all about the coaching.
Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
Say Gettleman should be "absolved". The point is, it was considered an excuse as a defense of Gettleman, now it seems Judge is being used as an excuse to keep any credit from Gettleman. Two things or more can be right and more than likely are.
Gettleman has made mistakes, Judge is doing a great job coaching these current players and Gettleman has landed some good players that make the coaches job easier.
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.
And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?
Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.
It's all about the coaching.
Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.
lets see how it looks by week 17. Slowly we are seeing some question marks from September turn into answers by mid November.
*****I shouldn't be calling anyone out today I am better than that. I will walk my puff piece back. lets just keep winning games and BBI can be the good ship lolipop.****
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.
and just listened to Doug Pederson's day after presser. He was thin skinned, irritable, and sarcastic. Talking heads are calling him a bully and he's getting absolutely destroyed for it.
I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.
and just listened to Doug Pederson's day after presser. He was thin skinned, irritable, and sarcastic. Talking heads are calling him a bully and he's getting absolutely destroyed for it.
I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.
Unless they are playing NYG or WASH, they aren't winning games. Look at their record over the last three years, minus those two teams.
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.
Pass protection is much tougher to gage but it could be telling the run game has been better without him
The buy is both a blessing and a curse for us right now. IT's good to have it for Ximines and McKinney to get a lot of work in before getting on the field. But, with an actual winning streak, they want to get right back on the field.
No passing TDs.
Remember this is all still with very limited weapons.
He played winning football today.
Jones played terrific today. Threw some really good passes, ran the ball very well, no turnovers 2nd week in a row, and didn't force any throws and took sacks when he needed to.
Very encouraging game from the team and for Jones growth going forward
Best all around game of his career. Several great throws, a threat on the run all day, zero turnovers. Play like that big guy, play just like that!
Jones finally looking like an NFL QB and I think Garrett knows how to use him now.
Nope
LOL...NOT!!
59 yd FG by Det
Jones great game.
Jones finally looking like an NFL QB and I think Garrett knows how to use him now.
You know what? Jones 2nd TD (the one that was called back) was one of the best designed plays the Giants have run in a long, long time.
Yup, and the Eagles were healthier than last time and coming off a bye. Sanders, Kelce, and Jeffrey back. No grading this one on a curve, we stood toe to toe with the Eagles and knocked them out
So many missed holding calls, then they call back DJ TD on a soft call. Fuck the Eagles.
The PI on Holmes was really a questionable call. The hold on Thomas on Jones TD was bullshit as Sweat should have been called for hands to the face and Thomas never held, anyway.
Judge has some good ammo to send to the league office.
He's not a machine, he's a man - ( New Window )
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No passing TDs.
Good point.
Fundamentals and details
Players started with a clean slate (e.g. Gallman emerged from his 2019 doghouse)
The result is a team that as the season goes on
- has no communication problems (backfield confusion in 2019)
- makes fewer mistakes as the season goes on
- the team retains confidence despite early losses
If they can take the division, this team may go deeper in the playoffs than most assume.
Peart was in at least once. I saw him on a goal line play.
He just looked very composed back there
That is an amazing stat.
And man how over rated is Doug Pederson
Wentz came out in the second half red hot. On second down, he inserts Hurts under center in an obvious run for no gain, forcing 3rd and long. They wind up punting, killing their momentum.
Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.
Super Bowl here we come!
Well in FG range, the game changes from needing yards to simply needing to burn clock and protect field position.
Instead: they go shotgun 3 times. 1st play an east-west end around that loses yardage. 3rd play gets blown up in the backfield and almost causes a fumble.
Just line up in a Jumbo formation and run up the gut 3 times. Even taking 3 knees is a sound strategy there.
That is an amazing stat.
Misleading. They had 22 first downs. Same amount as the Giants. They just got their first downs on first and second down.
Thought outside of the weak holding call, Thomas played well. They had a good push again
I hate the Eagles
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for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.
Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.
I will wake up a bit earlier to get WIP going. Suck it Cataldi!
Garrett is light years ahead of previous HC/OC
Don’t think so
Cheers!
Once the Giants OL got to a place they could even out the philly dL they had a good chance.
Jones, Zeitler, Peppers, Hernandez, Engram, (hell, even Barkley) - they all must gooooooooooooo.
Fundamentals and details
Players started with a clean slate (e.g. Gallman emerged from his 2019 doghouse)
The result is a team that as the season goes on
- has no communication problems (backfield confusion in 2019)
- makes fewer mistakes as the season goes on
- the team retains confidence despite early losses
If they can take the division, this team may go deeper in the playoffs than most assume.
We would get smacked in the playoffs just because we don't have the talent to compete at that level yet. However, with the right moves, we would have a legit playoff team next year
Unfortunately, the half-win (the tie) could be the tiebreaker.
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on third down.
That is an amazing stat.
Misleading. They had 22 first downs. Same amount as the Giants. They just got their first downs on first and second down.
Why is it misleading? I wouldn't undersell that. The NFL average third down conversion is around 40%. Philly was at 43% entering the game.
Those are key opportunities to stop or continue drives. To stop points or add points the other way with change of possession. So that is a great credit to the D.
Hell yes!
Nice little draw!
Yessir!
Nice little draw!
Peart was in the game on the 3rd drive (I think) following the 2 TDs. His man beat him around the edge on 3rd down causing an errant throw by Jones.
You goddamn right!
In fact it didn't seem to affect his throws at all.
Key skillset to succeed at Metlife late in the year.
With a few more weapons he can succeed.
We should be 5-0 in the NFC East for sure. Dalton made a lucky throw to Gallup at the end of that game in Dallas and Engram dropped that easy catch in Philly. What I hope starts happening is that they use the Eagles win as a springboard to start beating other real teams. The schedule is moderately hard and there are a couple of really difficult away games (Baltimore and Seattle) there which are likely losses. However, we have Cincinnati, Cleveland, Arizona and Dallas which are all winnable
Yeah Mayo has a rough day. Still plenty of work to do on this roster.
Maybe the Giants in victory formation with Dallas on the other side
Only playoff and super bowls!
Jones did an excellent job in the second half because the Giants badly needed to score after the Eagles TD. (BTW, FUCK BOSTON SCOTT!!! Does this guy do anything against anyone else?) The deep throws to contested Shep and Tate were great. The catch by Slayton on the not so good throw was great.
Props to Nick Gates. I didn’t watch him the entire game, but he made some great blocks during the game.
The defense was ugly at times, but the “bend but don’t break” style worked again. Late in the game, they kept putting the Eagles in 2nd/3rd and longs.
Gino with his first kick with pressure and a bad snap. Good job.
Gotta give Joe Judge a TON of credit. Wouldn’t it be amazing if Judge and Brian Flores were the two best coaches of the Belicheck tree and not the big name assistant?
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for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.
Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.
I will wake up a bit earlier to get WIP going. Suck it Cataldi!
I usually check in Friday before Giants-Eagles games to hear what they're saying, and he was talking tons of shit about Jones. Its gonna be glorious...
Big key.
Eagles wins are rare but always enjoyable. Nice two week break to bask in it.
And man how over rated is Doug Pederson
Wentz came out in the second half red hot. On second down, he inserts Hurts under center in an obvious run for no gain, forcing 3rd and long. They wind up punting, killing their momentum.
It's amazing how much they went to Hurts in these two games. Free down for the Giants. It feels like a mandate from Roseman to make his pick look good or something.
2003? Try 1978! Joe Pisarcik!
To think we could have locked him up as a FA for cheap after a lackluster year on the Jets. He ain't gonna be cheap now.
That is a very good point.
Jones had 3 games last year where he threw for >300 yards, 4 tds, and no interceptions. Those 3 games were pretty good too.
Garrett is light years ahead of previous HC/OC
Sign Garrett to a long term contract- at least 3year deal. And no release for a coaching job.. he’s ours now and calls one heck of a game.
Well in FG range, the game changes from needing yards to simply needing to burn clock and protect field position.
Instead: they go shotgun 3 times. 1st play an east-west end around that loses yardage. 3rd play gets blown up in the backfield and almost causes a fumble.
Just line up in a Jumbo formation and run up the gut 3 times. Even taking 3 knees is a sound strategy there.
I was yelling who the hell are these guys? great stuff today.
And that fucking ref ruining Jone's second TD was a ridiculous call
Offense, defense and specials played well. The coaches had good game plans and worked the game situations exactly right. I think this might be the most complete game I’ve seen from Big Blue in years. I’m very happy.
Plus, after the bye, I am excited to see McKinney and Ximinesback. Perhaps with the extra practice time Holmes can push for the #2 CB spot. On D, with everyone healthy, we are only 2 or 3 players from being a good D. Not, great, but good enough to rely on.
Hopefully they get some deep playoff runs in before Graham gets a head coaching gig.
Everything grows from there.
No Joe Pisarcik or Herman Edwards...
Everything grows from there.
LOL
Holy crap
And to the clueless poster who ripped Jones for not throwing the perfect strike to EE in Q4 because it was to the outside and OOB, he had a DL with an arm in his face throwing off his back foot. But, yes, back to your scheduled programming of bashing Jones.
Fantastic win. Jones looked superb. All around great effort.
Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
They won their 3rd game. Yes, people will praise them when they win.
My point was that lots of posters were simply blind to this notion, or refused to believe it because of their hatred for DG or Mara or Jones or whatever. And even after a nice win today, it’s still happening.
Just when are the Giants going to get credit for doing something good? First it was well Washington sucks so what. Now today we have posters today “well Philly sucks.” I guess Tampa must suck too. I guess the Rams aren’t good either.
OL, Jones, receivers, Gallman, all are improving and Jones protected the football nicely for a second game in a row.
Defense played with more discipline. Big thing I see on this side is the lack of second level and backend talent on the Edges and Corner. Tough to scheme around those two bare spots, and often leads to them failing to get stops and get off the field when they really should.
Also leads me to wonder if part of their plan is build up the middle, rather than try to find the impact Edge talent that's so hard to find. Patriots never really had great Edge players either, but the defense was smart, well-prepared, tough, and play strong up the middle to make up for it.
Did a much better job today, but still. need. finishers. The top talent that wins championships. Will Jones be that type of QB is a big question to answer, as well as can they get a defensive star up front from the 2021 draft who fits the scheme and plan.
I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.
Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.
Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.
So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.
Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
You were one of the few definitely suggesting they would come to life in the second half of the season. Hopefully they keep it up and make you look good.
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we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.
I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.
Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.
Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.
So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.
I think "encouraged" is a bit more fitting than impressive.
Good point on the upcoming bye week and being complacent. Eagles were absolutely sloppy yesterday coming off theirs. How many times did they screw up the snap from Center...6 maybe? Lots of penalties although not enough for some. Dropped balls.
Maybe the Giants can play a scrimmage.
Nice manager.
If you watched that game and came away thinking Jones was nothing more than a “good game manager” you don’t know what the fuck you’re watching
If by game mgr you mean Jones was the most important and best player on the field yesterday? Sure.
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Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.
If you watched that game and came away thinking Jones was nothing more than a “good game manager” you don’t know what the fuck you’re watching
I mean that’s what he was yesterday. There’s nothing wrong with that.
And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?
Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.
It's all about the coaching.
Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?
Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.
It's all about the coaching.
Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
Gettleman has made mistakes, Judge is doing a great job coaching these current players and Gettleman has landed some good players that make the coaches job easier.
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
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but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.
And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?
Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.
It's all about the coaching.
Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.
lets see how it looks by week 17. Slowly we are seeing some question marks from September turn into answers by mid November.
*****I shouldn't be calling anyone out today I am better than that. I will walk my puff piece back. lets just keep winning games and BBI can be the good ship lolipop.****
peace and love PEACE AND LOVE.
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.
I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.
I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.
Unless they are playing NYG or WASH, they aren't winning games. Look at their record over the last three years, minus those two teams.
And those days are coming to an end............
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.
Pass protection is much tougher to gage but it could be telling the run game has been better without him