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EricJ : 11/15/2020 4:08 pm
improving every week
I CAN'T BELIEVE  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:09 pm : link
WHAT I JUST SAW!!!!
Great game from Jones  
jeff57 : 11/15/2020 4:09 pm : link
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Fuck yeah!!!!  
VanillaVick : 11/15/2020 4:09 pm : link
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I am also seeing some role players doing the job..  
EricJ : 11/15/2020 4:09 pm : link
Mayo made some plays in the 4th qtr that went unnoticed..
No TDs but one of the best games of Jones' career  
BestFeature : 11/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
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YES!  
truebluelarry : 11/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
That felt good! :-)
NYG/NFC East  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
Tied for 1st in the in column!
Good Game and Great Win  
GiantEgo : 11/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
All the units stepped up when they had to. This time the arrow really is pointing up.
NYG/NFC East  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
Tied for 1st in the win column!
This is the first game since 2004 that the Eagles were held  
BestFeature : 11/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
to 0 3rd down conversions. A few ugly drives but the D was good.
Jones played a really good game  
Mattman : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
Judge and his staff is doing a great job. Everyone is improving.
If it was not for us  
BigBlueJ : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
expecting to lose as we have always done. We pretty much dominated them from out the gate.
First win in four years against the Eagles  
jeff57 : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
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First win I've felt really good about  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
Best game by Jones, back to back 0 turnover games, D is really starting to establish itself. Big step forward this week with those two stops to close it out. The last several years, Philly finds a way to put 10-14 points on the board under those circumstances. Nice win.

The buy is both a blessing and a curse for us right now. IT's good to have it for Ximines and McKinney to get a lot of work in before getting on the field. But, with an actual winning streak, they want to get right back on the field.
Wow  
SomeFan : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
A lot of kudos from the Fox talking heads for Judge and Giants.
RE: No TDs but one of the best games of Jones' career  
giants#1 : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15046066 BestFeature said:
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No passing TDs.
This is the type of game Jones needs to put up  
Chris684 : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
as we move down the stretch.

Remember this is all still with very limited weapons.

He played winning football today.
Two straight wins  
dpinzow : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
two straight games where Daniel Jones did not turn the ball over. A win over Philly is always great; you love to see it
Great! Great! Game Boys!  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
Wooo Hooo!!!!
Damn *bye*  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
not buy. D'oh.
BestFeature  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:12 pm : link
The D still gives me a bit of agita though. It still seems like the other team's WRs are always wide open.
3 7 never felt so damn good.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2020 4:12 pm : link
F the Eagles!
Great win!!  
montanagiant : 11/15/2020 4:12 pm : link
Cue up the "All this did was mess up our draft position" posts from the miserable Marys
But  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:12 pm : link
they got pressure on Wentz when they needed to.
Graham Gano is God  
jeff57 : 11/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
Kicker God.
This One Feels...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
Really good!
a win over the Eagles!  
bluepepper : 11/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
Good omen for the Judge era. Maybe the tide has turned.
My favorite on the game thread  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
is everything that sucks or doesn't work isn't playing aggresive enough, but when we get scorched or give up a TD its all the prevent defense. This is a soft zone defense, and considering our personnel makes a ton of sense. Parsons from PSU would look great in another form of BLUE! He can cover the middle of the field next to Martinez.
WFT and Det  
Jim in Tampa : 11/15/2020 4:14 pm : link
Going to OT
Giants are the doiphins from last season  
Giantfan21 : 11/15/2020 4:14 pm : link
Well coached team who is talent deficient but they play hard and close every week (other then the 49ers game )

Jones played terrific today. Threw some really good passes, ran the ball very well, no turnovers 2nd week in a row, and didn't force any throws and took sacks when he needed to.

Very encouraging game from the team and for Jones growth going forward
RE: Great game from Jones  
mfsd : 11/15/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15046062 jeff57 said:
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Best all around game of his career. Several great throws, a threat on the run all day, zero turnovers. Play like that big guy, play just like that!
A little each week  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 4:14 pm : link
I feel better about the future of this team. They are disciplined and play hard all game. Now, they are starting to break through to win some.
Best thing IMO  
bluepepper : 11/15/2020 4:15 pm : link
Offense and defense both closed well. O made it a two score game and D shut them down. Nice job.
I guarantee  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:15 pm : link
they won't lose next Sunday either!!!
Play 60 minutes  
Paul326 : 11/15/2020 4:15 pm : link
Smart hard nosed football all game! Keep it up.
I freaking love it......  
Simms11 : 11/15/2020 4:15 pm : link
Finally got over the hump against this damn team and they were relatively healthy!

Jones finally looking like an NFL QB and I think Garrett knows how to use him now.
It gets better  
Mike in NY : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
Matt Prater takes down WTF with 59 yard FG as time expires
RE: WFT and Det  
giants#1 : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15046103 Jim in Tampa said:
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Going to OT


Nope
Jones is learning that  
bc4life : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
sometimes the game winning plays are the ones you don't try to make
Lions win at the gun  
jeff57 : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
Washington falls to 2-7
I will say this, now they got over the hump against a team other than  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
WFT in the division. Yes, the whole division sucks. But, for several years now, they found ways to lose these games. Going out back to back weeks and beating teams they have every right and chance to win, instead of blowing it, is huge. First winning streak in a long time. They have to be confident going in to the bye.
Does not get better than that  
St. Jimmy : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
in the regular season.
Lions  
AcidTest : 11/15/2020 4:16 pm : link
beat the WFT on a 59 yard FG at the end of the game.
Giants in second  
jeff57 : 11/15/2020 4:17 pm : link
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RE: WFT and Det  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15046103 Jim in Tampa said:
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Going to OT
Nope. DET pulled out the win with a 59 yard FG at the end of regulation.
Snoil beat WAS  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/15/2020 4:17 pm : link
!
RE: WFT and Det  
Jim in Tampa : 11/15/2020 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15046103 Jim in Tampa said:
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Going to OT

LOL...NOT!!

59 yd FG by Det
Chase Young to the doghouse.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/15/2020 4:17 pm : link
Roughing penalty with about 12 seconds left helps set up Prater’s 59-yard game-winner.
What a difference  
rocco8112 : 11/15/2020 4:17 pm : link
a functional run game makes.

Jones great game.
RE: I freaking love it......  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15046115 Simms11 said:
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Jones finally looking like an NFL QB and I think Garrett knows how to use him now.


You know what? Jones 2nd TD (the one that was called back) was one of the best designed plays the Giants have run in a long, long time.
Giants are on the road  
TJ : 11/15/2020 4:18 pm : link
to being a good team. Been awhile since I've been able to really believe that. Easier to live with the ups and downs when the team is going in the right direction.
Giants looked decent on both d and O. Great on specials.  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/15/2020 4:19 pm : link
They’re the tallest midget currently.
RE: I will say this, now they got over the hump against a team other than  
mfsd : 11/15/2020 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15046122 Matt M. said:
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WFT in the division. Yes, the whole division sucks. But, for several years now, they found ways to lose these games. Going out back to back weeks and beating teams they have every right and chance to win, instead of blowing it, is huge. First winning streak in a long time. They have to be confident going in to the bye.


Yup, and the Eagles were healthier than last time and coming off a bye. Sanders, Kelce, and Jeffrey back. No grading this one on a curve, we stood toe to toe with the Eagles and knocked them out
Dirty ass Eagles.  
Britt in VA : 11/15/2020 4:19 pm : link
Beat them and the one sided officiating.
God I can’t tell you how much I wanted this win!  
Giant John : 11/15/2020 4:19 pm : link
This team is in our rear view mirror finally!!!!!!!
I asked in the game thread, but it got buried  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 4:20 pm : link
Before Hernandez replaced the injured Zeitler late in the 3rd, had either him or Peart been in? Did Peart play at all? I don't get even the notion of a rotation. Just play Lemieux and Peart for Zeitler and Fleming.
Best win since beating Dallas 10-7 in 2016  
Sean : 11/15/2020 4:20 pm : link
This was a huge win. It was also the best game of Jones career. I think we’ve turned the corner.
RE: Dirty ass Eagles.  
EliTheGreatest : 11/15/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15046140 Britt in VA said:
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Beat them and the one sided officiating.


So many missed holding calls, then they call back DJ TD on a soft call. Fuck the Eagles.
Great win.  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2020 4:20 pm : link
No complaints from me. Judge looks like one helluva coach. Solid work from the offense. Defense is hanging in there. Specials teams may be our strength - Gano and Dixon are having incredible seasons.
Great win  
Giants86 : 11/15/2020 4:21 pm : link
We can win this division!!
Huge draft coming up to fill  
Beef Wellington : 11/15/2020 4:21 pm : link
some needs. Trade Hernandez and Barkley for picks and let Getts and Judge do their thing!
That was so fucking rewarding!  
jpkmets : 11/15/2020 4:21 pm : link
What a great Sunday afternoon. A huge hump to get over!
This win feels like a miracle  
BestFeature : 11/15/2020 4:22 pm : link
I've gotten conditioned to not believing it was possible to beat this team. It's not that we lose we just find the craziest way to lose. This goes as far back as 2003 with the Westbrook punt game. Might even say back to 2001 with the Lambuth Special and that first game we should have won too.
RE: That was so fucking rewarding!  
section125 : 11/15/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15046151 jpkmets said:
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What a great Sunday afternoon. A huge hump to get over!


The PI on Holmes was really a questionable call. The hold on Thomas on Jones TD was bullshit as Sweat should have been called for hands to the face and Thomas never held, anyway.
Judge has some good ammo to send to the league office.
The last Gano FG was a mini version of the game ...  
Keyser : 11/15/2020 4:23 pm : link
FG to put the game away, looks like its slicing wide right, everyone thinking "here we go again", and then someone in heaven said "there will be no miracle in the meadowlands part 1000 today", and the ball hooked right back in.
Good afternoon  
Oscar : 11/15/2020 4:23 pm : link
This team is playing hard for Judge. Jones had a nice game, he needs to start stringing them together but that was good to watch.
That was so fucking rewarding!  
jpkmets : 11/15/2020 4:23 pm : link
What a great Sunday afternoon. A huge hump to get over!
Hernandez  
Giant John : 11/15/2020 4:23 pm : link
Goes NOWHERE. He is the best guard we have.
This is what comes to mind  
Ron from Ninerland : 11/15/2020 4:24 pm : link
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He's not a machine, he's a man - ( New Window )
RE: RE: No TDs but one of the best games of Jones' career  
BestFeature : 11/15/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15046083 giants#1 said:
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In comment 15046066 BestFeature said:


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No passing TDs.


Good point.
This feels like a playoff win after the past few seasons.  
j_rud : 11/15/2020 4:25 pm : link
A win that really feels like theyre headed in the right direction, and its over the godforsaken MFing Eagles. GodDAMN this feels good!
Confirms the early season optimism re JJ  
KeoweeFan : 11/15/2020 4:25 pm : link
Teaching philosophy with a teaching staff
Fundamentals and details
Players started with a clean slate (e.g. Gallman emerged from his 2019 doghouse)

The result is a team that as the season goes on
- has no communication problems (backfield confusion in 2019)
- makes fewer mistakes as the season goes on
- the team retains confidence despite early losses


If they can take the division, this team may go deeper in the playoffs than most assume.
Just  
AcidTest : 11/15/2020 4:26 pm : link
a really solid game, although there were too many plays where we were gashed in run defense. But we didn't beat ourselves on or off the field. Judge coached a good game. The team plays hard for him. Really happy with the win.
RE: I asked in the game thread, but it got buried  
TJ : 11/15/2020 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15046143 Matt M. said:
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Before Hernandez replaced the injured Zeitler late in the 3rd, had either him or Peart been in? Did Peart play at all? I don't get even the notion of a rotation. Just play Lemieux and Peart for Zeitler and Fleming.


Peart was in at least once. I saw him on a goal line play.
I might head downtown...  
vonritz : 11/15/2020 4:26 pm : link
for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.
Seems like Judge has  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 4:26 pm : link
the perfect pulse for this team right now. Pushing all the right buttons. Good game plan and execution for the most part on offense and defense. Can’t really argue with a single thing today.
The best thing about todays game was Jones handling of the ball  
PatersonPlank : 11/15/2020 4:27 pm : link
When the pocket started collapsing he would just tuck it down and try to run. Usually would just get back to the LOS or so, but no tipped passes going for Ints.

He just looked very composed back there
Eagles were 0 for 9...  
bw in dc : 11/15/2020 4:28 pm : link
on third down.

That is an amazing stat.
.........  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/15/2020 4:28 pm : link
Great win.

And man how over rated is Doug Pederson

Wentz came out in the second half red hot. On second down, he inserts Hurts under center in an obvious run for no gain, forcing 3rd and long. They wind up punting, killing their momentum.

RE: I might head downtown...  
j_rud : 11/15/2020 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15046177 vonritz said:
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for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.

Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.
How nice that was !  
LBH15 : 11/15/2020 4:30 pm : link
God. It’s been forever since they beat the Eagles. And pretty damn solid 3rd down defense too.

Super Bowl here we come!
Great win  
mittenedman : 11/15/2020 4:30 pm : link
That sequence of playcalling after the huge Slayton catch almost gave me a nervous breakdown.

Well in FG range, the game changes from needing yards to simply needing to burn clock and protect field position.

Instead: they go shotgun 3 times. 1st play an east-west end around that loses yardage. 3rd play gets blown up in the backfield and almost causes a fumble.

Just line up in a Jumbo formation and run up the gut 3 times. Even taking 3 knees is a sound strategy there.
RE: Eagles were 0 for 9...  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15046182 bw in dc said:
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on third down.

That is an amazing stat.


Misleading. They had 22 first downs. Same amount as the Giants. They just got their first downs on first and second down.
can't wait for the postgame interviews  
US1 Giants : 11/15/2020 4:31 pm : link
this is a great feeling!
Win  
stretch234 : 11/15/2020 4:32 pm : link
Defense got me frustrated with the 2 DL deployment and getting gouged in the run game, but it is the bend but don’t break. When push came to shove they did find a way to get pressure

Thought outside of the weak holding call, Thomas played well. They had a good push again

I hate the Eagles
Best game of DJ career?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/15/2020 4:34 pm : link
I agree, He played a very good game. Best of this season, but no way best of his career. That was against Washington late lat season when he went 28-42 for 352 yds with 5 touchdown passes and 0 int. Still did a terrific job of protecting the ball and managing the game. He showed growth which is something he had not been doing all season.
RE: RE: I might head downtown...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/15/2020 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15046185 j_rud said:
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In comment 15046177 vonritz said:


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for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.


Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.


I will wake up a bit earlier to get WIP going. Suck it Cataldi!
offensive play calling  
giantfan2000 : 11/15/2020 4:36 pm : link
first time in many years I can not predict what next Giants offensive play will be .

Garrett is light years ahead of previous HC/OC
Give it an hour  
Carl in CT : 11/15/2020 4:37 pm : link
And the “Get rid of Jones” assholes will ruin a great Sunday.
RE: Hernandez  
CowboyHaters : 11/15/2020 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15046163 Giant John said:
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Goes NOWHERE. He is the best guard we have.


Don’t think so
There was more than one  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:39 pm : link
play where Jones took a sack instead of forcing the ball to someone. Sometimes you just lose the yardage and go on.
Solid Win!!!!  
Kev in Cali : 11/15/2020 4:40 pm : link
From what I saw on both sides of the ball. Improvements all around and DJ seemed to have more control of the offense for reasons beyond my drunk ass. : )


Cheers!
I’ve said it before  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2020 4:40 pm : link
Wentz is trash. Pederson gambles way too much.

Once the Giants OL got to a place they could even out the philly dL they had a good chance.
RE: Give it an hour  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15046223 Carl in CT said:
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And the “Get rid of Jones” assholes will ruin a great Sunday.


Jones, Zeitler, Peppers, Hernandez, Engram, (hell, even Barkley) - they all must gooooooooooooo.
RE: I’ve said it before  
Gman11 : 11/15/2020 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15046238 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Wentz is trash. Pederson gambles way too much.
For the life of me I did not understand going for 2 down 21-17. You kick the XP and are a FG from tying the game.
They should be 6-4 right now, too.  
mittenedman : 11/15/2020 4:44 pm : link
Double digit leads in their last 6 games. They are going to start expecting to win and do well in these games. The tide is turning.
The team was playing with a lot of enthusiasm  
cosmicj : 11/15/2020 4:46 pm : link
In the 4th quarter. Besides having a very solid game, I really appreciated Gallman’s obvious passion throughout the contest. It was obvious many of the players really, really wanted to win.
The streak is over. Gotta give a Ric Flair WOOOOOOOOO!  
DCGMan : 11/15/2020 4:48 pm : link
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Great win and no turnovers  
MartyNJ1969 : 11/15/2020 4:48 pm : link
Perfection
RE: Confirms the early season optimism re JJ  
dpinzow : 11/15/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15046173 KeoweeFan said:
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Teaching philosophy with a teaching staff
Fundamentals and details
Players started with a clean slate (e.g. Gallman emerged from his 2019 doghouse)

The result is a team that as the season goes on
- has no communication problems (backfield confusion in 2019)
- makes fewer mistakes as the season goes on
- the team retains confidence despite early losses


If they can take the division, this team may go deeper in the playoffs than most assume.


We would get smacked in the playoffs just because we don't have the talent to compete at that level yet. However, with the right moves, we would have a legit playoff team next year
Nice win  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/15/2020 4:48 pm : link
Giants are competing and winning more often than not on the lines. There is more talent than people think on the team and some Mckinney might be a nice add with Xman providing depth. The turnaround is they are playing more and more as a team. Well done and happy they get a break from the game for a bit on a positive note.

RE: NYG/NFC East  
Ivan15 : 11/15/2020 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15046068 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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Tied for 1st in the in column!


Unfortunately, the half-win (the tie) could be the tiebreaker.
RE: RE: Eagles were 0 for 9...  
bw in dc : 11/15/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15046191 Gman11 said:
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In comment 15046182 bw in dc said:


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on third down.

That is an amazing stat.



Misleading. They had 22 first downs. Same amount as the Giants. They just got their first downs on first and second down.


Why is it misleading? I wouldn't undersell that. The NFL average third down conversion is around 40%. Philly was at 43% entering the game.

Those are key opportunities to stop or continue drives. To stop points or add points the other way with change of possession. So that is a great credit to the D.


RE: This feels like a playoff win after the past few seasons.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15046171 j_rud said:
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A win that really feels like theyre headed in the right direction, and its over the godforsaken MFing Eagles. GodDAMN this feels good!


Hell yes!
RE: The last Gano FG was a mini version of the game ...  
Fred-in-Florida : 11/15/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15046160 Keyser said:
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FG to put the game away, looks like its slicing wide right, everyone thinking "here we go again", and then someone in heaven said "there will be no miracle in the meadowlands part 1000 today", and the ball hooked right back in.


Nice little draw!
RE: They should be 6-4 right now, too.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15046253 mittenedman said:
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Double digit leads in their last 6 games. They are going to start expecting to win and do well in these games. The tide is turning.



Yessir!
It's a good start  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2020 4:52 pm : link
It's a win they absolutely needed to make any progress. Got the Philly monkey off their backs.
RE: The last Gano FG was a mini version of the game ...  
Fred-in-Florida : 11/15/2020 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15046160 Keyser said:
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FG to put the game away, looks like its slicing wide right, everyone thinking "here we go again", and then someone in heaven said "there will be no miracle in the meadowlands part 1000 today", and the ball hooked right back in.


Nice little draw!
RE: I asked in the game thread, but it got buried  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/15/2020 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15046143 Matt M. said:
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Before Hernandez replaced the injured Zeitler late in the 3rd, had either him or Peart been in? Did Peart play at all? I don't get even the notion of a rotation. Just play Lemieux and Peart for Zeitler and Fleming.


Peart was in the game on the 3rd drive (I think) following the 2 TDs. His man beat him around the edge on 3rd down causing an errant throw by Jones.
RE: It's a good start  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2020 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15046284 Greg from LI said:
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It's a win they absolutely needed to make any progress. Got the Philly monkey off their backs.


You goddamn right!
The thing I really like about DJ's performance today.  
jsuds : 11/15/2020 4:56 pm : link
He handled the wind well.

In fact it didn't seem to affect his throws at all.

Key skillset to succeed at Metlife late in the year.

With a few more weapons he can succeed.
RE: They should be 6-4 right now, too.  
dpinzow : 11/15/2020 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15046253 mittenedman said:
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Double digit leads in their last 6 games. They are going to start expecting to win and do well in these games. The tide is turning.


We should be 5-0 in the NFC East for sure. Dalton made a lucky throw to Gallup at the end of that game in Dallas and Engram dropped that easy catch in Philly. What I hope starts happening is that they use the Eagles win as a springboard to start beating other real teams. The schedule is moderately hard and there are a couple of really difficult away games (Baltimore and Seattle) there which are likely losses. However, we have Cincinnati, Cleveland, Arizona and Dallas which are all winnable
Outside of Martinez  
LBH15 : 11/15/2020 4:58 pm : link
our LBs really stink. Who the hell kept missing tackles...Mayo?
They were who we thought they were...  
Coopcomic : 11/15/2020 5:04 pm : link
And we didn't let them off the hook!
RE: Outside of Martinez  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2020 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15046300 LBH15 said:
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our LBs really stink. Who the hell kept missing tackles...Mayo?

Yeah Mayo has a rough day. Still plenty of work to do on this roster.
Is there anything more beautiful than Giants in victory formation  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/15/2020 5:11 pm : link
with the Eagles on the other side?
RE: Is there anything more beautiful than Giants in victory formation  
dpinzow : 11/15/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15046349 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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with the Eagles on the other side?


Maybe the Giants in victory formation with Dallas on the other side
RE: Is there anything more beautiful than Giants in victory formation  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/15/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15046349 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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with the Eagles on the other side?


Only playoff and super bowls!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/15/2020 5:16 pm : link
Leonard Williams was officially credited with five quarterback hits.
Gotta give Jason Garrett credit...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/15/2020 5:17 pm : link
He finally read those threatening letters GO TERPS sent to his house and designed running plays for the quarterback. The TD and the almost TD were excellent plays.

Jones did an excellent job in the second half because the Giants badly needed to score after the Eagles TD. (BTW, FUCK BOSTON SCOTT!!! Does this guy do anything against anyone else?) The deep throws to contested Shep and Tate were great. The catch by Slayton on the not so good throw was great.

Props to Nick Gates. I didn’t watch him the entire game, but he made some great blocks during the game.

The defense was ugly at times, but the “bend but don’t break” style worked again. Late in the game, they kept putting the Eagles in 2nd/3rd and longs.

Gino with his first kick with pressure and a bad snap. Good job.

Gotta give Joe Judge a TON of credit. Wouldn’t it be amazing if Judge and Brian Flores were the two best coaches of the Belicheck tree and not the big name assistant?
RE: RE: RE: I might head downtown...  
j_rud : 11/15/2020 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15046218 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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for work tomorrow just so I can see all the miserable Eagles fans on the subway and in Center City. Biggest win in 4 years.


Sports talk radio in Philly is going to be absolutely incredible tomorrow. I might actually go for a ride right now just to soak it all in.



I will wake up a bit earlier to get WIP going. Suck it Cataldi!


I usually check in Friday before Giants-Eagles games to hear what they're saying, and he was talking tons of shit about Jones. Its gonna be glorious...
Another 150+ yards rushing today  
PatersonPlank : 11/15/2020 5:22 pm : link
the OL is getting better
RE: Another 150+ yards rushing today  
FStubbs : 11/15/2020 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15046379 PatersonPlank said:
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the OL is getting better


Big key.

Eagles wins are rare but always enjoyable. Nice two week break to bask in it.
Never thought I would be this happy  
Blue Dream : 11/15/2020 5:27 pm : link
To be 3-7
RE: .........  
widmerseyebrow : 11/15/2020 5:28 pm : link
In comment 15046183 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Great win.

And man how over rated is Doug Pederson

Wentz came out in the second half red hot. On second down, he inserts Hurts under center in an obvious run for no gain, forcing 3rd and long. They wind up punting, killing their momentum.


It's amazing how much they went to Hurts in these two games. Free down for the Giants. It feels like a mandate from Roseman to make his pick look good or something.
RE: ...  
j_rud : 11/15/2020 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15046364 Eric from BBI said:
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Leonard Williams was officially credited with five quarterback hits.


RE: This win feels like a miracle  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 11/15/2020 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15046154 BestFeature said:
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I've gotten conditioned to not believing it was possible to beat this team. It's not that we lose we just find the craziest way to lose. This goes as far back as 2003 with the Westbrook punt game. Might even say back to 2001 with the Lambuth Special and that first game we should have won too.


2003? Try 1978! Joe Pisarcik!
RE: ...  
widmerseyebrow : 11/15/2020 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15046364 Eric from BBI said:
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Leonard Williams was officially credited with five quarterback hits.


To think we could have locked him up as a FA for cheap after a lackluster year on the Jets. He ain't gonna be cheap now.
Hoo  
Spider43 : 11/15/2020 5:42 pm : link
That was indeed a statement win. The game is so much easier when you don't turn the ball over.
Impressive that  
Des51 : 11/15/2020 5:53 pm : link
we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.
RE: Impressive that  
bw in dc : 11/15/2020 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15046454 Des51 said:
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we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.


That is a very good point.
RE: Best game of DJ career?  
5BowlsSoon : 11/15/2020 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15046207 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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I agree, He played a very good game. Best of this season, but no way best of his career. That was against Washington late lat season when he went 28-42 for 352 yds with 5 touchdown passes and 0 int. Still did a terrific job of protecting the ball and managing the game. He showed growth which is something he had not been doing all season.


Jones had 3 games last year where he threw for >300 yards, 4 tds, and no interceptions. Those 3 games were pretty good too.
RE: offensive play calling  
Adirondack GMen : 11/15/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15046220 giantfan2000 said:
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first time in many years I can not predict what next Giants offensive play will be .

Garrett is light years ahead of previous HC/OC

Sign Garrett to a long term contract- at least 3year deal. And no release for a coaching job.. he’s ours now and calls one heck of a game.
RE: Great win  
ColHowPepper : 11/15/2020 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15046189 mittenedman said:
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That sequence of playcalling after the huge Slayton catch almost gave me a nervous breakdown.

Well in FG range, the game changes from needing yards to simply needing to burn clock and protect field position.

Instead: they go shotgun 3 times. 1st play an east-west end around that loses yardage. 3rd play gets blown up in the backfield and almost causes a fumble.

Just line up in a Jumbo formation and run up the gut 3 times. Even taking 3 knees is a sound strategy there.
Absolutely.
Jones impressed me today  
jhibb : 11/15/2020 6:20 pm : link
with the way he handled the wind. Wentz had quite a few passes sail on him.
Wen was the last time our offensive line  
gtt350 : 11/15/2020 6:28 pm : link
plowed the whole defensive line into the end zone on the goal line.
I was yelling who the hell are these guys? great stuff today.
And that fucking ref ruining Jone's second TD was a ridiculous call
Watch the Bengals game on now to get  
Simms11 : 11/15/2020 6:33 pm : link
and idea of what the Giants will be seeing in a few weeks.
Great win!  
trueblueinpw : 11/15/2020 6:41 pm : link
This team is really well coached. Even with the sputtering drive at the end of the half they managed to not give the ball away or allow any cheap points before the half. And yeah, they gave up the TD out of the gate to the second half but then punched right back with those two nice throws down field by Jones.

Offense, defense and specials played well. The coaches had good game plans and worked the game situations exactly right. I think this might be the most complete game I’ve seen from Big Blue in years. I’m very happy.
I wouldn't say I'm yet at a point where I can say I feel good about  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 6:44 pm : link
this year. But, after the last few weeks, I at least feel good that we don't outright suck and I am optimistic for the future.

Plus, after the bye, I am excited to see McKinney and Ximinesback. Perhaps with the extra practice time Holmes can push for the #2 CB spot. On D, with everyone healthy, we are only 2 or 3 players from being a good D. Not, great, but good enough to rely on.
Threw some back afterwards.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2020 6:46 pm : link
Man...this win felt goooood.
GREAT WIN.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/15/2020 6:52 pm : link
Huge to finally beat the Eagles. Such a well played game by the Giants today. More of this, please!
This team still needs some front office changes  
ajr2456 : 11/15/2020 6:57 pm : link
And has some glaring holes but they have what could turn out to be a top 10 staff in the league, if not better.

Hopefully they get some deep playoff runs in before Graham gets a head coaching gig.
Don’t want to start  
Everyone Relax : 11/15/2020 6:58 pm : link
a new thread for this, but Drew Lock suuuuuuuuucks
It all comes down to the offensive line play  
Hammer : 11/15/2020 7:18 pm : link
For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.

Everything grows from there.
RE: Is there anything more beautiful than Giants in victory formation  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2020 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15046349 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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with the Eagles on the other side?


No Joe Pisarcik or Herman Edwards...
RE: It all comes down to the offensive line play  
Matt M. : 11/15/2020 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15046602 Hammer said:
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For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.

Everything grows from there.
Agreed. For years, I never felt good in short yardage situations. Now, you see Gallman waltzing into the end zone.
what just happened to the Bills...  
jnoble : 11/15/2020 7:27 pm : link
Boy I'm glad that wasn't us
LOL


Holy crap
Just checking back in...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/15/2020 7:36 pm : link
I feel good/I knew that I would, now/So good, so good
It’s not really about the turnovers  
Carl in CT : 11/15/2020 7:39 pm : link
The game is easy when your OL can block. Thats what stops 75% of the turnovers.
RE: It all comes down to the offensive line play  
ColHowPepper : 11/15/2020 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15046602 Hammer said:
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For the first time in recent memory, the offensive line is getting a push off the line of scrimmage and protecting the quarterback.Everything grows from there.
Not sure the OL is yet at the point of 'protecting the quarterback"...3 sacks, 7 hits, lots of times Jones running for his life. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Is it improving? I think so, but a long way to go.

And to the clueless poster who ripped Jones for not throwing the perfect strike to EE in Q4 because it was to the outside and OOB, he had a DL with an arm in his face throwing off his back foot. But, yes, back to your scheduled programming of bashing Jones.
It figures there’d be tornado warnings in the tri state area tonight  
djm : 11/15/2020 9:17 pm : link
This game was so rare. A nice “normal” 60 minute NYG win over Philly, in a big game no less. The universe is all fucked up from today’s events.

Fantastic win. Jones looked superb. All around great effort.
One interesting stat is neither  
Gregorio : 11/15/2020 9:21 pm : link
team committed a turnover. NYG also had relatively few penalties. These are signs of effective coaching, players are making progress.
Didn’t mention it before, but jeez Doug Peterson.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/15/2020 9:26 pm : link
As badly as Miles Sanders was kicking the Giants ass today and Boston Scott kicks their ass every day, they should’ve had 35-40 carries between them. Then he kept putting Jalen Hurt in the game for no fucking reason whatsoever. So instead of running the ball, he bailed the Giants out with a combo of Carson Wentz not doing much and Jason Kelce apparently snapping shotgun snaps for the first time ever.
Great game  
HomerJones45 : 11/15/2020 9:29 pm : link
Jonesy played well, good gameplan, well executed. They looked like the better team today. Keep it going.
This team is so good,  
Silver Spoon : 11/15/2020 9:56 pm : link
it almost feels like a 4 win team.
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 10:51 pm : link
I said 6 wins. Still feel good about it.

Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.
RE: ...  
AcesUp : 11/15/2020 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15046875 ryanmkeane said:
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I said 6 wins. Still feel good about it.

Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.


They won their 3rd game. Yes, people will praise them when they win.
Aces  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 11:19 pm : link
you miss the point of the post entirely, per usual.
True  
AcesUp : 11/15/2020 11:23 pm : link
The calculus of “I told you guys things were good” after winning a game was a little too much for me to grasp.
Aces  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 11:32 pm : link
the very fact that you refuse to acknowledge progress shows just about everything we need to know. There’s a difference between getting your ass kicked, and losing a hard fought game that you could argue you outplayed the other opponent for the majority of the game. Giants have done that multiple times this year and come up short.

My point was that lots of posters were simply blind to this notion, or refused to believe it because of their hatred for DG or Mara or Jones or whatever. And even after a nice win today, it’s still happening.

Just when are the Giants going to get credit for doing something good? First it was well Washington sucks so what. Now today we have posters today “well Philly sucks.” I guess Tampa must suck too. I guess the Rams aren’t good either.
I remember a time about  
ryanmkeane : 11/15/2020 11:35 pm : link
2 weeks ago where posters were raving about Carson Wentz and his ability to “lift up his teammates, it’s a special quality” when saying Jones never does it. How’d that go today?
A good win, more progress  
JonC : 11/15/2020 11:36 pm : link
Never sucks to beat the Eagles, even when they're struggling.

OL, Jones, receivers, Gallman, all are improving and Jones protected the football nicely for a second game in a row.

Defense played with more discipline. Big thing I see on this side is the lack of second level and backend talent on the Edges and Corner. Tough to scheme around those two bare spots, and often leads to them failing to get stops and get off the field when they really should.

Also leads me to wonder if part of their plan is build up the middle, rather than try to find the impact Edge talent that's so hard to find. Patriots never really had great Edge players either, but the defense was smart, well-prepared, tough, and play strong up the middle to make up for it.

Did a much better job today, but still. need. finishers. The top talent that wins championships. Will Jones be that type of QB is a big question to answer, as well as can they get a defensive star up front from the 2021 draft who fits the scheme and plan.
When have I refused to acknowledge progress?  
AcesUp : 11/15/2020 11:38 pm : link
They’re getting better. The coaches and the players, they’ve improved over the last month. The point is they were really bad before and deserved criticism and they need to continue to progress before any victory laps. Otherwise, we’re picking in the top 6 for the 4th consecutive season.
RE: Impressive that  
BlackLight : 11/15/2020 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15046454 Des51 said:
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we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.


I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.

Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.

Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.

So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.
RE: ...  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 7:26 am : link
In comment 15046875 ryanmkeane said:
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I said 6 wins. Still feel good about it.

Lots of posters on this board refused to acknowledge the progress that was happening even though we lost some of those games in really tough fashion. Funny that most everyone of those posters are either quiet or saying things like “wow this is great! Love this!” tonight as if they weren’t completely and utterly dismissing this team 4 weeks ago.


You were one of the few definitely suggesting they would come to life in the second half of the season. Hopefully they keep it up and make you look good.
RE: RE: Impressive that  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 7:34 am : link
In comment 15046916 BlackLight said:
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we beat the Eagles and Washington after they come off their bye week.



I wouldn't call it impressive until we see how the team plays against Cinci in two weeks.

Bye weeks can cut both ways. Gives you time to get healthy and rested, but if you allow yourself to lose focus mentally, it's not a switch you can just flip back on when you re-take the field after a week off. Eli once talked about how before the two Super Bowls, even with the team practicing, he would prepare himself mentally as though he had a game to play on the bye week Sunday. And he'd tell his teammates to do likewise.

Philly seemed to make quite a few unforced errors in the first half of the game today, and almost from the first snap seemed a step slow. They improved quite a bit in the second half, so I'm wondering if it took them that long to get back up to game speed.

So the Cincinnati game will be an interesting test for the team. I'm optimistic Judge will keep a watchful eye, and drop the hammer in practice next week if he feels the team isn't focused. If they come out firing on all cylinders in two weeks, that will be a statement in itself.


I think "encouraged" is a bit more fitting than impressive.

Good point on the upcoming bye week and being complacent. Eagles were absolutely sloppy yesterday coming off theirs. How many times did they screw up the snap from Center...6 maybe? Lots of penalties although not enough for some. Dropped balls.

Maybe the Giants can play a scrimmage.
You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.  
Ivan15 : 11/16/2020 7:51 am : link
Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.
Good timing to suggest that after Brady  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 7:53 am : link
throws 5 TDs in yesterday's game.

Nice manager.
RE: You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.  
BigBlueShock : 11/16/2020 8:11 am : link
In comment 15046990 Ivan15 said:
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Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.

If you watched that game and came away thinking Jones was nothing more than a “good game manager” you don’t know what the fuck you’re watching
I don't mean to sound cruel  
djm : 11/16/2020 9:50 am : link
but using the good game manager label is just lazy and stupid.

If by game mgr you mean Jones was the most important and best player on the field yesterday? Sure.
RE: RE: You are all excited because today Jones was a good game manager.  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 15047006 BigBlueShock said:
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Ala the ultimate game manager Tom Brady.


If you watched that game and came away thinking Jones was nothing more than a “good game manager” you don’t know what the fuck you’re watching


I mean that’s what he was yesterday. There’s nothing wrong with that.
this needs to be said  
djm : 11/16/2020 9:59 am : link
but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.

And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?

Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.

It's all about the coaching.

Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.
RE: this needs to be said  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 15047204 djm said:
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but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.

And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?

Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.

It's all about the coaching.

Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.


You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.
So how much  
crick n NC : 11/16/2020 10:07 am : link
Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.
RE: So how much  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 15047230 crick n NC said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.


And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.
I didnt  
crick n NC : 11/16/2020 10:29 am : link
Say Gettleman should be "absolved". The point is, it was considered an excuse as a defense of Gettleman, now it seems Judge is being used as an excuse to keep any credit from Gettleman. Two things or more can be right and more than likely are.

Gettleman has made mistakes, Judge is doing a great job coaching these current players and Gettleman has landed some good players that make the coaches job easier.
RE: RE: So how much  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 15047244 ajr2456 said:
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.


If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out
djm  
JonC : 11/16/2020 11:39 am : link
Oh boy, butthurt is no way to go through life.
RE: RE: RE: So how much  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 11:52 am : link
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.



If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out


The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.
RE: RE: this needs to be said  
djm : 11/16/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15047220 ajr2456 said:
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but over the first 2 months here this place was so toxic and nasty. The DG bashers literally drove me and others away and all but called me out in some threads. Why? Because myself and others insisted on letting the entire season play out before we condemned the GM. I couldn't even post in some threads because of that take.

And here we are....If this team rallies to a 7-9 record and builds off this foundation of DG's players so many people here are going to just quietly be forgotten despite screaming and bullying this site for fucking months now. How we feeling today? Still want to run Leonard Williams out of town?

Let this be a lesson to you all. Coaching matters more than the GM picking the players. Good coaching manifests into wins. Bad coaching will sink the GM. We've seen this shit before. Ernie was public enemy #1 around here from 99-2004 and once the coaching met up face to face with Ernie's player personnel things changed for the better and Ernie is practically canonized around here.

It's all about the coaching.

Too soon? Don't care. I had to listen to this shit for months. Now some of you can.



You still need good players to win titles, coaching only covers up for so much. This is still a poor roster and Gettleman deserves the blame for that.


lets see how it looks by week 17. Slowly we are seeing some question marks from September turn into answers by mid November.

*****I shouldn't be calling anyone out today I am better than that. I will walk my puff piece back. lets just keep winning games and BBI can be the good ship lolipop.****


peace and love PEACE AND LOVE.
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crick n NC : 11/16/2020 12:50 pm : link
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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.



If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out



The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.


That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.
I'm in full on schadenfreude mode here  
j_rud : 11/16/2020 1:00 pm : link
and just listened to Doug Pederson's day after presser. He was thin skinned, irritable, and sarcastic. Talking heads are calling him a bully and he's getting absolutely destroyed for it.

I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.
RE: I'm in full on schadenfreude mode here  
BillKo : 11/16/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15047718 j_rud said:
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and just listened to Doug Pederson's day after presser. He was thin skinned, irritable, and sarcastic. Talking heads are calling him a bully and he's getting absolutely destroyed for it.

I wanna bottle the vibe coming out of my desktop speakers and rub one out with it.


Unless they are playing NYG or WASH, they aren't winning games. Look at their record over the last three years, minus those two teams.

And those days are coming to an end............
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ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 2:43 pm : link
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In comment 15047230 crick n NC said:


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Did Shurmur and his staff make certain players look worse than they are? It cuts both ways.



And who would dispute that? That doesn’t change the fact that this team in year three of Gettleman still has as many holes as it had when he took over. Yea they’ve shown progress in areas, but beating the Redskins and Eagles doesn’t all of a sudden mean Gettleman is absolved of his mistakes. Let’s see how they play against Arizona, Seattle, and Baltimore before we start saying people were wrong about Gettleman. Any progress of the last two weeks is moot if you go 4-12.



If the OL ends up being a plus group, and we see growth at LB from one of the young players, the number of holes isn't as many as previously. There are holes, especially at CB2 and WR, but the roster is getting more filled out



The OL is still a major question mark. Peart and Gates are pieces going forward. Lemiuix still is a liability in pass protection and Hernandez is in the middle of a second straight bad season. The run game against Tampa was impressive given their front but we’ll need to see them to that consistently against good teams.



That's fair to me, although I'm hesitant to say how "bad" Hernandez is considering my lack insight in regards to his position, not that he hasn't been bad. But overall, I agree, consistency is key.


Pass protection is much tougher to gage but it could be telling the run game has been better without him
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