NFC East race!

We both play CLV/SEA/AZ/DAL, so the NYG cannot come out of these 4 games lesser than PHL, otherwise we're out. We only have to match PHLs wins and we would be in pretty good shape.

That leaves the non-common opponents (CIN/BAL for NYG) and (GB/NO/Wash for PHL) that would give the edge to NYG as we have to win one less game as well as lesser opponents IMO.

Doable, but not an easy task as we still have to make up 2 wins in 6 games. Forget the 2nd wildcard.

In comment 15046961 Poktown Pete said:

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In comment 15046935 Milton said: Quote: In comment 15046763 Matt in SGS said: Quote: In comment 15046760 Poktown Pete said: Quote: We're not in their class. I wouldn't be shocked if they picked off Seattle or Arizona. Meanwhile Baltimore just lost to New England who barely beat the Jets the week before. I don't want to play the role of the antagonist as I bleed blue, but to predict wins against Balt, Arizona or Seattle at this point is literally believing in Santa Claus.

Saying it's possible isn't predicting wins

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We both play CLV/SEA/AZ/DAL, so the NYG cannot come out of these 4 games lesser than PHL, otherwise we're out. We only have to match PHLs wins and we would be in pretty good shape. That leaves the non-common opponents (CIN/BAL for NYG) and (GB/NO/Wash for PHL) that would give the edge to NYG as we have to win one less game as well as lesser opponents IMO. Doable, but not an easy task as we still have to make up 2 wins in 6 games. Forget the 2nd wildcard.

In fact, I think we will have to win one more game than PHL out of our common opponents (CLV/SEA/AZ/Dal) IMO.

next 4 are really tough. Would be shocked if they went 2-2. 1-3 or 0-4 is extremely possible.

He has 4 weeks to get healthy. The PHL/NO game will be a big game - for US :).

4 competitive games and possible wins. Seattle and Baltimore are the only two I can see a tough time winning. I would be absolutely pumped if we can finish 7-9.

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In comment 15047023 UberAlias said: Quote: in terms of draft position, in every round. Who cares.

Um, plenty of people. I do. Others as well, I'm sure.

In comment 15047191 UberAlias said:

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In comment 15047064 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047023 UberAlias said: Quote: in terms of draft position, in every round. Who cares. Um, plenty of people. I do. Others as well, I'm sure.

So, you would rather have a higher draft position than make the playoffs? That makes no sense whatsoever.

In comment 15047196 KDavies said:

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In comment 15047191 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 15047064 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047023 UberAlias said: Quote: in terms of draft position, in every round. Who cares. Um, plenty of people. I do. Others as well, I'm sure. So, you would rather have a higher draft position than make the playoffs? That makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes no sense whatsoever to someone lacking a the long term perspective. If we make the playoffs, it's not because this is a playoff caliber team, it's because the division is utter horseshit. The stat in the OP you must have missed is that the NFC East is 2-18-1 outside the division. The team is playing well right now because we are very well coached. Outside of our shitty division we have not won a game because we don't have the horses. Guys like Bradburry and Martinez are playing very well and are among our best players, but they are not league-wide talents. What is holding this team back from ultimate prize is talent. Period. That prize isn't coming this year. Never was. If you can;t understand that someone would hold a long term view opposed to celebrating a playoff gift that comes with a losing record then I'm not sure what to tell you. I have higher aspirations, not sure what else to say.

I believe it is in the Giants long-term interest to start winning. I believe it is in the Giants long-term interest to show that they have a good head coach, good OL, a QB, and a decent defense, and that they can start winning a few games.

Whether a 5-11, or 6-10, or 7-9 finish results in a 3rd place finish or a playoff appearance is immaterial. But I don't get the loser mentality to keep rooting for high draft picks as if there is some magical player that will cure the Giants as they continue putting up 2-14 seasons.

Draft position is not a guarantee of getting better players. Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson in the late first, whereas Rosen was drafted in the top 10.

Just last year, the Raiders drafted Ruggs 12th. Lamb at 17, Jefferson at 22, and Claypool at 49 are looking a lot better.

The Giants winning takes QB off the board, and Sewell. Winning likely means they are set at QB and OL, and they can get a WR, edge or CB in the draft. And if they have the 16th pick and grab a Devonta Smith instead of a Chase, who's to say Smith doesn't turn out better?

I'm not claiming there is no merit to rooting to make the playoffs or demanding that fans have to view it as I do. You are correct, there is no guarantee that selecting earlier will mean we will get a better player. But it does guarantee that we have more options. And not just in the first round --in every round of the draft. And why we are on the subject of no guarantees, does making the playoffs guarantee anything? Last time we made the playoffs, 2016, there were many who came in the following year with a lot of optimism. There were also some who felt the playoffs were a bit of a mirage where we had health and a lot of other things come together giving appearances we were better off than we really were. What exactly did that playoff birth "guarantee" us?

I have been consistent all along. To me this year was never about wins and losses. I'm not going to change that now just because the rest of the division has crapped out. Playoffs with a losing record doesn't do it for me. Sorry. I get that it does for you. I'm not telling you your opinion is wrong. Don't tell me that mine is either.

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I'm not claiming there is no merit to rooting to make the playoffs or demanding that fans have to view it as I do. You are correct, there is no guarantee that selecting earlier will mean we will get a better player. But it does guarantee that we have more options. And not just in the first round --in every round of the draft. And why we are on the subject of no guarantees, does making the playoffs guarantee anything? Last time we made the playoffs, 2016, there were many who came in the following year with a lot of optimism. There were also some who felt the playoffs were a bit of a mirage where we had health and a lot of other things come together giving appearances we were better off than we really were. What exactly did that playoff birth "guarantee" us? I have been consistent all along. To me this year was never about wins and losses. I'm not going to change that now just because the rest of the division has crapped out. Playoffs with a losing record doesn't do it for me. Sorry. I get that it does for you. I'm not telling you your opinion is wrong. Don't tell me that mine is either.

Agreed the season is not about wins and losses. But seeing 6 wins or so this season would be a natural reflection of the Giants playing better, which is a natural result of a lot of things the Giants need coming together to come together.

The fact that it is dumb luck that the division is historically terrible, and the Giants could make the playoffs out of it is irrelvant in what I want to see.

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Only one where I think we can escape with a win is Baltimore

Arizona is a terrible match up for us defensively. Exactly the type of offense that is going to shred us. Only chance we have is to contol game offensively on ground keeping their offense off the field.

and I don't see the Giants getting there. Beating the Eagles is always exciting, but they're a bad football team as well and any chance of taking the division was lost when they blew the first game against them.

Someone is going to get hot...and honestly would anyone here be terribly surprised if it's the Giants who are that hot team with confidence moving forward? Seattle 1-3 last 4 games, Ravens 2-2 and are banged up. Gotta step up and beat the Bengals.

In comment 15047196 KDavies said:

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In comment 15047191 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 15047064 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047023 UberAlias said: Quote: in terms of draft position, in every round. Who cares. Um, plenty of people. I do. Others as well, I'm sure. So, you would rather have a higher draft position than make the playoffs? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I root to win every week. I can't say I ever wanted the Giants to lose... HOWEVER....

It seems wasteful to take an NFL divisional title home with either 5-6 wins, and cost you valuable draft slots for a team that is still a few year away IMO.

Win the division with 7-8, ok....then you've EARNED IT (well sorta).

Let's see how it plays out. If they do win 7 games, they will have navigated thru a tough schedule and not only will have earned it but probably gained some valuable experience, in particular the QB.

In comment 15047806 BillKo said:

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In comment 15047196 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047191 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 15047064 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047023 UberAlias said: Quote: in terms of draft position, in every round. Who cares. Um, plenty of people. I do. Others as well, I'm sure. So, you would rather have a higher draft position than make the playoffs? That makes no sense whatsoever. I root to win every week. I can't say I ever wanted the Giants to lose... HOWEVER.... It seems wasteful to take an NFL divisional title home with either 5-6 wins, and cost you valuable draft slots for a team that is still a few year away IMO. Win the division with 7-8, ok....then you've EARNED IT (well sorta). Let's see how it plays out. If they do win 7 games, they will have navigated thru a tough schedule and not only will have earned it but probably gained some valuable experience, in particular the QB.

I'm the opposite, once they got out of blue chip range, I want them to go to the playoffs. I want the division title too. Why? I want them to experience that. Might be a paltry record but quite a turnaround for I think one of the least talented teams in the country.

I also don't think there is a big difference between pick 10 and pick 20. At this point you have the same % of selecting a good player.

#10 is CB Patrick Surtain

#19 is Shaun Wade CB
#20 is Kwity Paye DE

All 3 would help the Giants immensely.

In comment 15047827 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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In comment 15047806 BillKo said: Quote: In comment 15047196 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047191 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 15047064 KDavies said: Quote: In comment 15047023 UberAlias said: Quote: in terms of draft position, in every round. Who cares. Um, plenty of people. I do. Others as well, I'm sure. So, you would rather have a higher draft position than make the playoffs? That makes no sense whatsoever. I root to win every week. I can't say I ever wanted the Giants to lose... HOWEVER.... It seems wasteful to take an NFL divisional title home with either 5-6 wins, and cost you valuable draft slots for a team that is still a few year away IMO. Win the division with 7-8, ok....then you've EARNED IT (well sorta). Let's see how it plays out. If they do win 7 games, they will have navigated thru a tough schedule and not only will have earned it but probably gained some valuable experience, in particular the QB. I'm the opposite, once they got out of blue chip range, I want them to go to the playoffs. I want the division title too. Why? I want them to experience that. Might be a paltry record but quite a turnaround for I think one of the least talented teams in the country. I also don't think there is a big difference between pick 10 and pick 20. At this point you have the same % of selecting a good player.

Good points.

Why do I feel like five wins - FIVE WINS - is going to do it lol...............

but lets look at the 2nd half of the season. What will their record be the last 8 games? Might be a better indicator of how the team is playing. If they go 5-3, would that speak to you?

I always want in the tournament. ANYTHING can happen. We know this.

Does any team want to play a young and hungry team with some momentum in the playoffs, that doesn't know it is suppose to lose, that has a crater on its' shoulder?

No...they do not.

That team is playing with house money.

free and loose baaaay Beeeee.

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but lets look at the 2nd half of the season. What will their record be the last 8 games? Might be a better indicator of how the team is playing. If they go 5-3, would that speak to you?

If they go 5-3, that means 6 wins.....I figured them to be a 6-7 win team (I am always optimistic).

It's hard to deny, right now, they are the best trending team in the division.

Hate we have the bye week to be honest.............