Lemieux started at LG once again despite Hernandez being active. I noticed that Hernandez came in late when Zeitler was injured. Was this explained before/during the game?
I apologize if this was mentioned but I missed the pregame shows and the first few plays of the game.
Thomas-Lemieux-Gates-Hernandez-Peart. The only other one I would really be happy with is:
Thomas-Hernandez-Gates-Lemieux-Peart. Gates' gradual improvement each week is really a big boost for next year.
Exactly, Giants was running the ball good without Hernandez. Once Zetler got hurt and Hernandez got in they litterly averaged 0 yards in around 6 attempts
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
And how can you take either Lemiuex or Zeitler off the field right now. Both guys are playing very well. Hernandez may get "lucky" with Zeitler's concussion.
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is more versatile than Hernandez which is why he moved over. Frankly I think he is better than Hernandez at LG but we will see what the coaches do.
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
I agree, I would like to see the Giants attempt to trade Hernandez this offseason. I do not think he is worth the money he will require to re-sign. If the Giants can acquire a day two pick for him then I think they should do it.
Let Lemieux remain the starting LG and draft another guard and add a cheaper veteran to compete for the starting RG spot with Kyle Murphy and a draft pick.
Zeitler has been much better the past three games. I understand if Lemieux returns to the bench but the Giants should replace Fleming with Peart now. This would give Peart two weeks of practice as the starting RT.
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is more versatile than Hernandez which is why he moved over. Frankly I think he is better than Hernandez at LG but we will see what the coaches do.
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
I agree, I would like to see the Giants attempt to trade Hernandez this offseason. I do not think he is worth the money he will require to re-sign. If the Giants can acquire a day two pick for him then I think they should do it.
Let Lemieux remain the starting LG and draft another guard and add a cheaper veteran to compete for the starting RG spot with Kyle Murphy and a draft pick.
Two reasons, now, I say proceed with Hernandez and Lemieux. One, who knows how Zeitler does with concussion protocol. Two, Zeitler has little to no chance of being on the team next year while Hernandez could very well not only remain but as a starter.
Again, I would hope with 2 weeks to practice, they take it as a time to move Hernandez to RG because I envision Lemieux at LG for a while. But, I'll that much up to the coaches.,
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is more versatile than Hernandez which is why he moved over. Frankly I think he is better than Hernandez at LG but we will see what the coaches do.
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
I agree, I would like to see the Giants attempt to trade Hernandez this offseason. I do not think he is worth the money he will require to re-sign. If the Giants can acquire a day two pick for him then I think they should do it.
Let Lemieux remain the starting LG and draft another guard and add a cheaper veteran to compete for the starting RG spot with Kyle Murphy and a draft pick.
While I disagree that WH will command a high price tag, I agree that trading him while he is viewed as being a solid Guard is npt a bad idea. My biggest problem with him is that whenever he is pulling he is so impossibly slow and stiff that athletic DL that can bend even a little bit, can get under his pads and render him just a pylon. he lacks lateral quickness and is essentially a fire hydrant in the middle. He is much better staying in his position and remaining straight line.
lemieux is more mobile and can bend a bit. But trading him and cutting Zeitler crates quite the whole on the O line.
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good or comfortable at RG. I hope they take advantage of the bye to play both guys at both positions and proceed with who whichever combination of Hernandez and Lemieux they fell is best. I would not play Zeitler. I would also proceed with Peart as the starter over Fleming.
Zeitler has been much better the past three games. I understand if Lemieux returns to the bench but the Giants should replace Fleming with Peart now. This would give Peart two weeks of practice as the starting RT.
If they do anything with the 3 during the bye and the rest of the way, they should do so with the future in mind. For me that means not only starting Lemieux, but at LG.
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In comment 15046598 Ike#88 said:
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is more versatile than Hernandez which is why he moved over. Frankly I think he is better than Hernandez at LG but we will see what the coaches do.
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
I agree, I would like to see the Giants attempt to trade Hernandez this offseason. I do not think he is worth the money he will require to re-sign. If the Giants can acquire a day two pick for him then I think they should do it.
Let Lemieux remain the starting LG and draft another guard and add a cheaper veteran to compete for the starting RG spot with Kyle Murphy and a draft pick.
Personally, I agree with Lemieux remaining at LG. I think he has been the best OG this year and that is his position. I would have taken this as an opportunity for Zeitler and Hernandez to potentially battle. I think Zeitler has been a little better this year, but both have disappointed.
Two reasons, now, I say proceed with Hernandez and Lemieux. One, who knows how Zeitler does with concussion protocol. Two, Zeitler has little to no chance of being on the team next year while Hernandez could very well not only remain but as a starter.
Again, I would hope with 2 weeks to practice, they take it as a time to move Hernandez to RG because I envision Lemieux at LG for a while. But, I'll that much up to the coaches.,
At least you didn't say that WH played RG in college this time. Lol, teasing.
I kinda disagree. Would rather keep Zeitler, trade Hernandez and draft another Guard next year. Unlike many here, I am not nearly as thrilled with WH's play at Guard. He looks slow on run plays and seems to get pushed back too far on pass plays.
While I disagree that WH will command a high price tag, I agree that trading him while he is viewed as being a solid Guard is npt a bad idea. My biggest problem with him is that whenever he is pulling he is so impossibly slow and stiff that athletic DL that can bend even a little bit, can get under his pads and render him just a pylon. he lacks lateral quickness and is essentially a fire hydrant in the middle. He is much better staying in his position and remaining straight line.
lemieux is more mobile and can bend a bit. But trading him and cutting Zeitler crates quite the whole on the O line.
The Hernandez situations is eerily similar to the Weston Richburg one. After impressing early Richburg was a disappointment over his final two seasons with the Giants. Many expected him to sign cheap elsewhere but he became one of the highest paid centers in the league with SF. With so many teams in need of OL help and WH's draft position and performance during his rookie season I think that he will get $9-12 million per season on the FA market.
WH's lack of mobility is a big reason why I am not a fan of re-signing him. Lemieux has already proven to be a good pulling guard. He might not be as talented as Hernandez but I am confident that he will be a very good guard as he gets stronger and improves his technique.
Regardless of how he finishes the season Zeitler should be released unless some team is willing to part with a day 3 pick for him this offseason. He isn't worth his cap number and he is a declining player.
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In comment 15046598 Ike#88 said:
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is more versatile than Hernandez which is why he moved over. Frankly I think he is better than Hernandez at LG but we will see what the coaches do.
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
I agree, I would like to see the Giants attempt to trade Hernandez this offseason. I do not think he is worth the money he will require to re-sign. If the Giants can acquire a day two pick for him then I think they should do it.
Let Lemieux remain the starting LG and draft another guard and add a cheaper veteran to compete for the starting RG spot with Kyle Murphy and a draft pick.
Personally, I agree with Lemieux remaining at LG. I think he has been the best OG this year and that is his position. I would have taken this as an opportunity for Zeitler and Hernandez to potentially battle. I think Zeitler has been a little better this year, but both have disappointed.
Two reasons, now, I say proceed with Hernandez and Lemieux. One, who knows how Zeitler does with concussion protocol. Two, Zeitler has little to no chance of being on the team next year while Hernandez could very well not only remain but as a starter.
Again, I would hope with 2 weeks to practice, they take it as a time to move Hernandez to RG because I envision Lemieux at LG for a while. But, I'll that much up to the coaches.,
At least you didn't say that WH played RG in college this time. Lol, teasing.
I kinda disagree. Would rather keep Zeitler, trade Hernandez and draft another Guard next year. Unlike many here, I am not nearly as thrilled with WH's play at Guard. He looks slow on run plays and seems to get pushed back too far on pass plays.
Yet not a few here, despite the visual evidence, declared w/o a shred of doubt that Hernandez is a better run blocker and pass protector than Lemieux, all because of the online analysis that appears from time to time: that analyst (forget his name) said those same things about WH vs Lemieux that the BBIers were parroting verbatim. It just did not meet my eye test, and I'll acknowledge I can and do miss a lot. That analysis was taken down on Tuesday or Wed, was pissed, because I wanted to review.
Great is a stretch....don't forget, our Qb got sacked 5 times just last week.
Yet not a few here, despite the visual evidence, declared w/o a shred of doubt that Hernandez is a better run blocker and pass protector than Lemieux, all because of the online analysis that appears from time to time: that analyst (forget his name) said those same things about WH vs Lemieux that the BBIers were parroting verbatim. It just did not meet my eye test, and I'll acknowledge I can and do miss a lot. That analysis was taken down on Tuesday or Wed, was pissed, because I wanted to review.
I think the issue becomes that people see the run game improve and begin to declare who is the better Guard. Meanwhile, Lemieux has struggled pretty significantly in pass protection.
It is also one of those areas that most fans don't have the skills to figure out what is happening, especially when they don't know the assignments, yet will often make statements they position as fact.
Sy's game reviews have been very balanced in talking about the good and the bad and he even said last week that Lemieux had some good and also had some really bad. Any of us trying to determine if Hernandez or Lemieux is better is just conjecture at this point.
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In comment 15046598 Ike#88 said:
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is more versatile than Hernandez which is why he moved over. Frankly I think he is better than Hernandez at LG but we will see what the coaches do.
I rather see 66 play and Zeitler is a much better player than Hernandez. Hernandez looked promising as a rookie and he hasn’t gotten any better. I think he has been underwhelming to say the least.
I agree, I would like to see the Giants attempt to trade Hernandez this offseason. I do not think he is worth the money he will require to re-sign. If the Giants can acquire a day two pick for him then I think they should do it.
Let Lemieux remain the starting LG and draft another guard and add a cheaper veteran to compete for the starting RG spot with Kyle Murphy and a draft pick.
Personally, I agree with Lemieux remaining at LG. I think he has been the best OG this year and that is his position. I would have taken this as an opportunity for Zeitler and Hernandez to potentially battle. I think Zeitler has been a little better this year, but both have disappointed.
Two reasons, now, I say proceed with Hernandez and Lemieux. One, who knows how Zeitler does with concussion protocol. Two, Zeitler has little to no chance of being on the team next year while Hernandez could very well not only remain but as a starter.
Again, I would hope with 2 weeks to practice, they take it as a time to move Hernandez to RG because I envision Lemieux at LG for a while. But, I'll that much up to the coaches.,
Why does Zietler have little chance of being on this team next year? If you ask anyone who knows anything about Oline play they all will tell you he is the best oline player on this team. You don't improve your team by cutting your best players. So much stupid on this board.
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I don't see how anyone could not acknowledge that the run game became more cohesive, more powerful, more push with #66 at LG. To me it was clear as day to the naked eye.
Yet not a few here, despite the visual evidence, declared w/o a shred of doubt that Hernandez is a better run blocker and pass protector than Lemieux, all because of the online analysis that appears from time to time: that analyst (forget his name) said those same things about WH vs Lemieux that the BBIers were parroting verbatim. It just did not meet my eye test, and I'll acknowledge I can and do miss a lot. That analysis was taken down on Tuesday or Wed, was pissed, because I wanted to review.
I think the issue becomes that people see the run game improve and begin to declare who is the better Guard. Meanwhile, Lemieux has struggled pretty significantly in pass protection.
It is also one of those areas that most fans don't have the skills to figure out what is happening, especially when they don't know the assignments, yet will often make statements they position as fact.
Sy's game reviews have been very balanced in talking about the good and the bad and he even said last week that Lemieux had some good and also had some really bad. Any of us trying to determine if Hernandez or Lemieux is better is just conjecture at this point.
Not surprised....most teams blitz like hell against us. Playing 3 rookie OL guys probably encourages that behavior.
I said in another (PG?) thread, the OL still has a long wayto ago, noting, as you did, that DJ was under pretty constant pressure yesterday. I'm still amazed he was as accurate as he was in the face of stiff pressure. I think we need another high quality piece, and Gates, while he has been a pleasant surprise, to your point on understanding assignments and schemes, is he the long term answer at C?
I said in another (PG?) thread, the OL still has a long wayto ago, noting, as you did, that DJ was under pretty constant pressure yesterday. I'm still amazed he was as accurate as he was in the face of stiff pressure. I think we need another high quality piece, and Gates, while he has been a pleasant surprise, to your point on understanding assignments and schemes, is he the long term answer at C?