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Big positives: Jones + winning in the trenches

Sean : 11/15/2020 9:30 pm
The Giants have been getting their ass kicked in the trenches to Philly for years. That was not the case today. The OL played a strong game today, the run game was successful and Jones had time to throw. As the game went on, the defense generated pressure on Wentz. Beating the Eagles in the trenches is huge and it’s been so damn long.

As for Jones, this was his best game as a pro imo. He once again showed his ability running the football. He was holding the ball high and tight. Most importantly, when he needed to make big time throws - he did. After the Eagles made it 14-11, that response by the Giants was so crucial, which included big time throws to Shep & Tate. The throw to Slayton late in the 4th was ballsy and perfectly placed. I loved it.

This was such an important win today. I’m hoping we finally turned the corner.
I thought DG was crazy  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2020 9:40 pm : link
to say/think he fixed the OL in the last year‘s draft - specifically, counting on later picks like Peart and Lemieux. That opinion doesn’t seem so crazy now though. The three rookies + Gates and Hernandez give us the makings of at least a solid OL going forward. We’ve been non-competitive there for years.
You always  
BlackLight : 11/15/2020 9:59 pm : link
need to be ready to give an OL time to form chemistry. Ever moreso when you're coaching up rookies, and never moreso than when you have no practice time in the offseason, and these guys don't even get in the same room until five weeks before the first game.
BlackLight is correct  
5BowlsSoon : 11/15/2020 10:20 pm : link
Some things take time....OL and QB usually need more time to figure things out with enough reps. With no preseason games, both were stunted going into this year. It’s no surprise to me to see both (OL and QB) improving.
Nostalgia  
Reale01 : 11/15/2020 10:43 pm : link
Flowers Pugh Richberg Jerry Hart

... and it got worse when Pugh and Richberg got hurt.
It all starts with the lines  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/16/2020 12:07 am : link
Where we go..we go
RE: I thought DG was crazy  
jrthomps2006 : 11/16/2020 12:29 am : link
In comment 15046818 bceagle05 said:
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to say/think he fixed the OL in the last year‘s draft - specifically, counting on later picks like Peart and Lemieux. That opinion doesn’t seem so crazy now though. The three rookies + Gates and Hernandez give us the makings of at least a solid OL going forward. We’ve been non-competitive there for years.


I’m not ready to give DG that credit as I still think there are more misses than hits. That said, they completely dominated the line of scrimmage against a good D line today. I absolutely love Lemieux. How was he not starting Week 1??
RE: RE: I thought DG was crazy  
BlackLight : 11/16/2020 1:50 am : link
In comment 15046929 jrthomps2006 said:
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I absolutely love Lemieux. How was he not starting Week 1??


Probably because he was 5th round draft pick who didn't even put his uniform on for the first time until 29 days before the season kicked off.
This was nowhere  
tyrik13 : 11/16/2020 2:04 am : link
Near his best games as a pro. How soon we forget he had two 5 TD games last year. It hasn’t been that long ago smdh
I honestly think  
Allen in CNJ : 11/16/2020 4:49 am : link
we're only scratching the surface here with these players. They have a long way to go, and they have tremendous leadership within the group with Zeitler and Fleming - if they keep playing like they did yesterday this team is very quickly going to compete for some bigger stuff doing forward.
RE: RE: I thought DG was crazy  
Mike in NY : 11/16/2020 4:59 am : link
In comment 15046929 jrthomps2006 said:
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to say/think he fixed the OL in the last year‘s draft - specifically, counting on later picks like Peart and Lemieux. That opinion doesn’t seem so crazy now though. The three rookies + Gates and Hernandez give us the makings of at least a solid OL going forward. We’ve been non-competitive there for years.



I’m not ready to give DG that credit as I still think there are more misses than hits. That said, they completely dominated the line of scrimmage against a good D line today. I absolutely love Lemieux. How was he not starting Week 1??


Lemieux absolutely flashes potential in the running game, but he was a major culprit in why Jones was feeling a lot of heat when we were passing the ball.
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Simms11 : 11/16/2020 6:28 am : link
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to say/think he fixed the OL in the last year‘s draft - specifically, counting on later picks like Peart and Lemieux. That opinion doesn’t seem so crazy now though. The three rookies + Gates and Hernandez give us the makings of at least a solid OL going forward. We’ve been non-competitive there for years.



I’m not ready to give DG that credit as I still think there are more misses than hits. That said, they completely dominated the line of scrimmage against a good D line today. I absolutely love Lemieux. How was he not starting Week 1??



Lemieux absolutely flashes potential in the running game, but he was a major culprit in why Jones was feeling a lot of heat when we were passing the ball.


He was definitely at fault for some pressure and at the end of game when he replaced Zeitler, the line crumbled and almost got Gallman’s head taken off.
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SGMen : 11/16/2020 7:16 am : link
In comment 15046956 Mike in NY said:
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to say/think he fixed the OL in the last year‘s draft - specifically, counting on later picks like Peart and Lemieux. That opinion doesn’t seem so crazy now though. The three rookies + Gates and Hernandez give us the makings of at least a solid OL going forward. We’ve been non-competitive there for years.



I’m not ready to give DG that credit as I still think there are more misses than hits. That said, they completely dominated the line of scrimmage against a good D line today. I absolutely love Lemieux. How was he not starting Week 1??



Lemieux absolutely flashes potential in the running game, but he was a major culprit in why Jones was feeling a lot of heat when we were passing the ball.
First, I like the fact that we are rotating our young lineman in and out.
The future OL is looking set and I predict for 2021:

Thomas-Lemiuex-Gates-Hernandez-Peart, with Zeitler a possible cut due to cap reasons along with Solder & Tate on offense.

Lemiuex is a "work in progress" and he probably lacks the physical ability to be a stud but he can be serviceable and a bull in the run game.

But let me say this: if we do win this division somehow and by some miracle even win our first playoff game at home, we'd be picking aroun 20th. If an OL is the BPA at that point, an OG or OC perhaps, I think we take that player, especially if we cut Zeitler.

We have been BLESSED with good health on the OL and that is why we are coming together now.

I believe during the bye week we will not only rest up but we'll review film on what is truly working NOW and what isn't, adjusting the gameplan and playbook accordingly. We will also "coach up" the young players as well as get some guys back from injury hopefully.

I believe we can beat Cincy because their defense is suspect. Lets hope after we beat Cincy that Philly, Dallas and the Skins continue with their losing ways.

I'd love to take this division vs Dallas week 17. That would be sweet.
Sean, completely agree on the the HUGE passes right after  
Victor in CT : 11/16/2020 7:24 am : link
Iggles made it 14-11. The one to Lewis was Eli-esque. Under duress, right on the button.

Starting to come together Peppper! :-)
Watching other teams with  
section125 : 11/16/2020 7:37 am : link
no name OL play well always got me thinking that perhaps the coaching was the main problem. Yes you need to have the horses to coach, but good coaches can develop "average" players - Hal Hunter could not. I have a feeling as much as Thomas, Peart, Gates and Lemieux have improved the talent, Colombo has improved their play by good old fashioned coaching. Old pro Zeitler has been playing better the last few games. Probably a combo of the young guys(especially Gates) catching on and Colombo coaching his ass off.

They are still a bit weak on pass pro, but the running game is improved and they actually move the dline now.
A lot of the sacks yesterday were Jones holded the ball to long  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 8:26 am : link
But that's probably because the WR's didn't get open. So better the sack then an INT.
Colombo looks to be a very good coach  
PatersonPlank : 11/16/2020 8:31 am : link
I've always wondered why other teams could have plausible OL play and we couldn't.
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