NFT: NBA Chat - Trade Window Opens Today

In comment 15049286 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 15049277 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15049272 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks interested in Hayward Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA Since he has agreed to push off the opt in date it tells me they are working together to get a deal how do you view this in terms of trade value, though? Is the writing on the wall that he intends to opt in for financial reasons, and the celtics would prefer to have him off the payroll? So if you're the trade partner, are you doing Boston a favor? 1 year at $34M seems pretty well above market. So is this a dump that Boston should be attaching another asset to in order to get off the hook? If so, this is exactly the type of thing the Knicks should be diving into.

No idea haha, i really dont know his value..

I would assume thr Knicks would hope they can get 1 of Bostons first rounders this year

Barrett? Who says no?

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The Knicks are “weighing, but resisting" a Russell Westbrook trade, @TheSteinLine
reports. He says the best asset NY would trade to Houston is a future Mavericks pick, but they remain skeptical.

Sounds like there is legitimate interest in him. They probably want to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing .

In comment 15049325 Strahan91 said:

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Sounds like there is legitimate interest in him. They probably want to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing .

this is the most likely scenario, it sounds like he thinks he can get an offer in free agency and is willing to opt out..

if they get him for nothing. And even then the reporters arent sure. Look Russ for nothing is not the end of the world. Especially if you sign/draft a couple shooters to put with RJ and Russ. I am not saying i want Russ, but for free i can talk myself into at least seeing a team that can win 40 games. Im so tired of watching this team win low 20's. Again not saying i want him, but at least that talk of sending a bunch of assets for him is done.

but Knicks fan tv will have begely on tonight

have talked wall for westbrook according to shams

In comment 15049337 nygiants16 said:

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have talked wall for westbrook according to shams

Don't understand this at all. Is this supposed to make Harden happy? Why would Houston take on Wall's contract?

especially for HOU. They take the worst salary on the worse player who hasnt played in a year and a half or whatever it is. Unless WAS is throwing in a young player like Brown or a pick or two.

shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden?

It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.

In comment 15049340 Italianju said:

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especially for HOU. They take the worst salary on the worse player who hasnt played in a year and a half or whatever it is. Unless WAS is throwing in a young player like Brown or a pick or two.

I guess thenpoint is they would get an asset back, they dont want to trade westbrook for nothing

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In comment 15049345 Jon in NYC said:

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shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden? It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.

if we're allowing ourselves to get really crazy, we could also take back Gordon for an expiring.

In comment 15049355 Enzo said:

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In comment 15049345 Jon in NYC said: Quote: shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden? It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around. if we're allowing ourselves to get really crazy, we could also take back Gordon for an expiring.

Absolutely. Even with those two guys, they'd have some room this offseason for FA additions but would have a full max spot available next year once Randle is off the books.

In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said:

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Knicks interested in Hayward

if they trade for Westbrook, Hayward would be a decent running mate. Unfortunately they'd still probably be the worst team in the division.

anything with Hayward would be a sign and trade, so he would opt out and then get a long term deal..

Could knock down his cap hit

i like the idea of signing Hayward, but i dont really want to give up much for him.

Ok im not hating the idea of adding Russ and Hayward, lol. I mean:

Russ
Hayward
RJ
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Mitch

with the #8 pick, and whoever is left of Knox and Frank, and some vet signings. Might battle for the 6 seed in the east, lol.

I have my doubts about that.

Apparently KD, Kyrie, & Harden are all training together in LA & this is where they hatched the idea to team up together.

is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit.

Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....

That's a lot of mouths to feed. Throw in a first year HC...well, it could go off the rails. Or be a complete success. It'd be entertaining as hell to follow.

In comment 15049369 Italianju said:

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is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit. Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....

weei reported something to, but i dont know if it was a rehash of bob or their own

In comment 15049371 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15049369 Italianju said: Quote: is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit. Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD.... weei reported something to, but i dont know if it was a rehash of bob or their own

Honestly no idea if he is right or not.

according to Chris Haynes

In comment 15049366 Italianju said:

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i like the idea of signing Hayward, but i dont really want to give up much for him.

we can just sign him outright.

Suffice to say that earlier report of an agreement between the Nets and Rockets was BS.
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about the players’ power to do this. He mentioned that owners fought to get rid of the long-term contracts (think Allan Houston) because they felt players cashed in and stopped working as hard. The unintended consequence of shorter deals was allowing players more power over personnel decisions because of the looming threat they’ll leave.

Anyway, I still think this Harden thing is a bridge too far. I hope Houston holds firm and gets a star player in return.

but at the same time, Anthony Davis remains an anomaly of a player forcing their way to where they want to go. And even in that case, it's not like the Pelicans didn't get good value relative to packages other teams could've put together.

If I'm Houston I am simply not agreeing to that Brooklyn deal. I'm holding out for Ben Simmons and shopping around for a better package. Maybe that doesn't happen, but that Brooklyn deal is going to be there for them whenever they want it.

Sounds very likely that Giannis is signing the supermax with the Bucks. Good for him and saves us a year of bullshit rumors he's interested in New York.

training camp as a member of the Rockets

In comment 15049424 Strahan91 said:

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training camp as a member of the Rockets

That should be fun

a George Costanza-level stand-off.

Celts trying to trade Walker and Haywood to make room for Harden.

The rockets wouldnt want to have two disgruntled stars for their rookie head coach to deal with

In comment 15049436 Carl in CT said:

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Celts trying to trade Walker and Haywood to make room for Harden.

Walker and hayward for Randle, Frank, DSJ, future 1st

In comment 15049439 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15049436 Carl in CT said: Quote: Celts trying to trade Walker and Haywood to make room for Harden. Walker and hayward for Randle, Frank, DSJ, future 1st

That’s be a great trade for NYK, don’t know if Boston would do it/ want more.

expect a lot of action tomorrow

really changed my mind on this 15 times and probably will again, but I'm really starting to think they should take Vassell. I think he has a higher ceiling than most want to say since the 3 and D trope is so easy. Could definitely develop into a 3rd scoring option on a team.

when we landed the 8th pick. I'm sure that was the first name I threw out there on that thread. We've dissected every possibility but I'm still coming back to Vassell. My only concern is Kira Lewis' potential - I could see us regretting passing on him.

In comment 15049463 bceagle05 said:

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when we landed the 8th pick. I'm sure that was the first name I threw out there on that thread. We've dissected every possibility but I'm still coming back to Vassell. My only concern is Kira Lewis' potential - I could see us regretting passing on him.

I like Kira a lot. It's between Kira/Hayes/Vassell for me.

I keep trying to talk myself into Toppin but I can't do it. Too upright, too bad a defender, not great awareness.

I don't think Haliburton can create enough at the PG spot so I would pass on him.

And Okoro probably has a solid role in the NBA but he's just a bad fit with RJ.

The only other guy that could be the pick is possibly Avidja, who also isn't a great fit with RJ but I think has high upside.

The Knicks have three glaring weaknesses - point play, shooting, and defense. They have to come out of this with either a point guard or a guy who can really shoot, and whoever it is needs to at least not be a defensive black hole.

Expect the stupid and Okoro

besides Okoro i would be mad at, this draft is a crapshoot, but i also think most of the players are high floor

In comment 15049534 nygiants16 said:

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besides Okoro i would be mad at, this draft is a crapshoot, but i also think most of the players are high floor

Tobbin could be a bad pick due to lack of quickness and bad defensive play, but Okoro seems like a bust candidate. Would love Quickley at 27 or 38...

This is an interesting draft to me in that I really don't have any prospect at 8 I truly hate. Personally I'd love to see Hayes/Kira but no one is a slam dunk and no one has no redeeming qualities.

In comment 15049534 nygiants16 said:

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besides Okoro i would be mad at, this draft is a crapshoot, but i also think most of the players are high floor

Completely agree with this. Okoro is by far the worst fit for this team. The last thing they need is another non-shooter, I can't watch another season of RJ beating his guy into the paint just to be met by 4 guys at the rim because we don't have anyone that can stretch the floor.

I know it's not the popular opinion, but I really want Toppin, Hayes, or Lewis. We never really got a chance to see what Chandler, Stat, and Carmelo could do together while all healthy, Mitch, Toppin, and RJ would be the young, new age version of that (all 3 guys have a heck of a lot of growth to do to live up to those guys, I know). Having Robinson on the floor will help cover up a lot of Toppin's flaws defensively, and you just hope Thibs can help him improve.

I would be just as happy with any of the PGs though, the need there is undeniable, and to me Lewis has the highest upside.

He's an elite athlete and can be an elite defender. And he's the kind of worker that makes it hard to say that he can't become a very good offensive player too. Fast enough to guard a PG. Strong enough to guard bigger wings.

I get that the offense is not there. But from the day he's drafted he's a defensive force. And while it wouldn't be fun to watch them shoot, a lineup with Mitch, Frank and Okoro would be a pain to play against.

In theory, the Knicks are building a real basketball development organization. You can see why Thibs would love him. He's a Jimmy Butler starter kit. Jaylen Brown is a good comp too. It's true that he may only end up to be a defensive player but even that's pretty damn good.

Traded 27 and 38 for 23 and Tomic. Wonder who they can really want at 23?