NFT: NBA Chat - Trade Window Opens Today

The Detroit Pistons are trading G Bruce Brown to the Brooklyn Nets for F Dzanan Musa and a 2021 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

Brown is a good defender.

i thought musa was good for them

a ton of trades announced today.

Love that trade for LA. Schroeder becomes their 3rd best player and way more valuable then Green and a super late first.

today is going to be a wild day. I suspect a bunch of trades are done but haven't been announced yet.

I'm thrilled because I really dont feel like doing any actual work today.

Brown is a great defender & his offensive game picked up last season.

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Brown is a great defender & his offensive game picked up last season.

you would think a young plaeyer who can shoot the 3 would be more valuable

I'm sure his destination will ultimately be dictated by Harden, but Houston should be able to get a bigger return than the Brooklyn package.

to see what the Knicks do. I am encouraged about the front office they've assembled. But want to see proof that there is reason to be optimistic. The opposite of that in terms of an indicator would be a Westbrook trade where we don't rob them of young assets (of which they have very little). I'd like to see them do what was reported recently, take on $$ without a killer long term duration (e.g. not Westbrook, not Tobias Harris, not John Wall) and get young assets as compensation.

5 first round picks how is Harden only getting traded for 3 role players?

that part of the rumor makes no sense

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In comment 15047095 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Brown is a great defender & his offensive game picked up last season. you would think a young plaeyer who can shoot the 3 would be more valuable

Musa is not a 3pt shooter. He's young with a lot of skill, but he hasn't figured it out. Now, it could be his situation.

His game requires him to have the ball, but he was behind a ton of players like that.

but that Harden package with a couple picks seems pretty good. Lavert can be more then a role player for sure, Allen is solid and Dinwiddie can be a starting PG in this league. TBH since BKN already has ball dominant scorers i dont think that trade makes a ton of sense for them. If KD is KD then he is the most efficient of the bunch, followed by Harden, and Kyrie. So basically whenever Kyrie starts dominating the ball the team is way worse, he is by far the least efficient of the 3. Its the NBA so i get why you would do this if you are BKN, but im not sure it really makes them better longterm. They should trade Kyrie for Harden, haha.

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5 first round picks how is Harden only getting traded for 3 role players? that part of the rumor makes no sense

The rumor as far as I know is that Harden is interested in being traded there. Apparently there have been no talks between the two teams and Houston has told teams that they plan to run it back with Harden next year. Since Harden is under contract for 2 years (plus a third year player option for $47M which he might exercise given his age), he doesn't have the same leverage for example, that Anthony Davis did.

Personally I just don't see what this does for Houston if they're going to tear it all down. That's not to say I don't think Levert and Dinwiddie are good players but at 26 and 27 they're not centerpieces for a total teardown/rebuild for a team without much draft capital for some time.

Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro

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Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro

Supposedly, it is between 4 players: Lewis, Hayes, Okoro or Vassell

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In comment 15047240 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro Supposedly, it is between 4 players: Lewis, Hayes, Okoro or Vassell

I'm sure they have Hayes in the first slot, he's just less likely to be there.

I don't see how the Rockets don't get a better offer than what the Nets can give them. I can think of 3 or 4 teams that can put together better packages, starting with Denver and something that starts with Michael Porter.

Harden, Murry, Jokic could help them challenge the Lakers.

I'm tired of the writers overvaluing the Nets players. Lavert is a good player, but is 26 and injury prone. Allen plays center, a devalued position and they don't have much else unless they put Irving in the deal.

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In comment 15047240 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro Supposedly, it is between 4 players: Lewis, Hayes, Okoro or Vassell

Probably why they want to trade down. Can likely still get one of those 4.

I have heard conflicting reports in their interest in Vassell,.

As I have been saying for months, he has strange shooting mechanics. I don't want him.

The pick should either be Kira or Nesmith. They both fit the Knicks needs and the talent difference between 6-14 is non-descript. These guys can shot. Nesmith is compared to Kris Middleton.

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In comment 15047240 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro Supposedly, it is between 4 players: Lewis, Hayes, Okoro or Vassell

Perfect 4. Glad to see this.

and Rockets are discussing for Westbrook are Randle, Ntilikina, Dotson and the Mavericks picks.

I am going to be furious.

Save those damn picks for a future trade that may actually help you win! Same old Knicks

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I have heard conflicting reports in their interest in Vassell,. As I have been saying for months, he has strange shooting mechanics. I don't want him. The pick should either be Kira or Nesmith. They both fit the Knicks needs and the talent difference between 6-14 is non-descript. These guys can shot. Nesmith is compared to Kris Middleton.

I don't see much of a difference between Nesmith and Reggie Bullock frankly. I see an outstanding catch and shoot guy with little ball handling and pedestrian athleticism. If we are comparing him to Vassell, to me its night/day in terms of defensive potential.

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and Rockets are discussing for Westbrook are Randle, Ntilikina, Dotson and the Mavericks picks.

Fuck that.

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Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro

If you sign VanVleet this makes sense and they seem like Tibs type of players.

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In comment 15047240 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro If you sign VanVleet this makes sense and they seem like Tibs type of players.

The rumors are Tibs wants to win now and is pressuring the front Office.
This would fit that but it tops them out a 7th or 8th seed and kills the future.
This is the prototypical next move

remains "confident" FVV will stay.

The new mock from Wasserman hurts, Flynn goes ONE pick before we do. Okoro/Flynn would be such a nice way to begin the new era.

given that he's a pending RFA?

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remains "confident" FVV will stay. The new mock from Wasserman hurts, Flynn goes ONE pick before we do. Okoro/Flynn would be such a nice way to begin the new era.

It will be interesting to see if he really wants to get paid because I could see the Pistons and/or going to the Max for him.

like this wasnt a thing that Rose and the rest of the FO team talked with thibs about when he was hired.

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In comment 15047289 larryflower37 said: Quote: In comment 15047240 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Says the Knicks are high on Vassell and Okoro If you sign VanVleet this makes sense and they seem like Tibs type of players. The rumors are Tibs wants to win now and is pressuring the front Office. This would fit that but it tops them out a 7th or 8th seed and kills the future. This is the prototypical next move

You would think Rose/Thibs would have spoken about the outlook for the team at his hiring. A trade for Westbrook giving up any real assets (draft picks) is a terrible idea. The Mavs are Doncic injury away from being a lottery team. Remember, there was no off-season.

- Latest Givony ESPN mock has the Knicks taking Haliburton at 8 and Stewart at 27.

- Berman still says the Knicks preference is to trade back a few slots and pick up an asset. Sounded like he thinks Hayes is their preference if he's there and if not will be between Lewis, Okoro or Vassell. Also said the Knicks weren't that high on Haliburton.

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given that he's a pending RFA?

He would have to sign his qualifying offer..

has been #2 on my board since at least March, Hayes at 8 would be a great addition.

so I'm sure he'd welcome the chance to go there.

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and Rockets are discussing for Westbrook are Randle, Ntilikina, Dotson and the Mavericks picks.

no 2021 dallas pick and houston add a pick in and i am ok with it

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and Rockets are discussing for Westbrook are Randle, Ntilikina, Dotson and the Mavericks picks.

that's pretty terrible.

I trust his info.

Hayes at 8 would be great. An added bonus is that with his size, you can still play him next to a PG if you need to.

trade would be terrible for the Knicks because it's almost certainly precluding a Westbrook trade.

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In comment 15047277 Anakim said: Quote: and Rockets are discussing for Westbrook are Randle, Ntilikina, Dotson and the Mavericks picks. no 2021 dallas pick and houston add a pick in and i am ok with it

This is where I'm at. I'd be okay with it, but not thrilled. I'd also want them to take DSJ though.

and is trying to force his way to the Nets. (similar to what we've been hearing but a bit more definitive now)

The latest from
@HoustonChron

"But Harden wants to move on from the Rockets, the Chronicle has been informed, and is trying to force his way via trade to Brooklyn, allowing The Beard to form the NBA’s next superteam and rejoin forces with former OKC teammate Kevin Durant."

Would be really shitty and definitely ends up with Westbrook as a Knick.

Kyrie-Harden-Durant has all the makings of a disaster. All close to or past their prime, all need the ball to be effective, all dramatic personalities. No supporting cast. First time head coach. Would be entertaining to watch.

- Denver
- Boston
- Miami

Any others I'm missing that might be a realistic destination? Maybe Chicago?

so hopefully that doesn't happen. Brown is a great pickup for the bench though.

but its the NBA and players like Harden dictate where they play.

Other teams could have built better trade packages for AD but he wanted to be a Laker so.

No shot HOU sends Harden somewhere he doesn't want to be. Does not happen in this league.

They have a ton of pieces

isn't a soon to be free agent like Davis was.

He isn't turning down an opportunity to win a ring with either Denver or Miami if that's where he goes.

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- Denver - Boston - Miami Any others I'm missing that might be a realistic destination? Maybe Chicago?

I think there could be some crazy offers. Portland (CJ), Philly (Ben), Dallas (KP), Utah (Rudy), Clips (PG), Bucks (everyone not named Giannis)....

when you consider he only had a year left on his deal. In fact, I don't remember another team that was rumored to have pursued him heavily because he said he wasn't going to sign an extension anywhere. Seemed like his camp was very anti-Boston but that's the only other team that could've made sense. Even then I think a deal centered around Ingram was the better option than around Jaylen Brown (and I love Brown's game).

If Houston were to accept Brooklyn's offer, it would be nowhere close to what the Pelicans got for AD.

If Brooklyn rolls out Durant, Irving, Harden and Harris...man oh man is that some serious shooting. It even tops the Durant Warriors for shooting...

-Berman is pretty tied into the team. From him it sounds like they aren't interested in Van Vleet. That sucks.

- I would be very happy with Hayes at 8.

- At this point, I would be surprised if Westbrook is not a Knick. It would be awful if they do that rumored package. Under no circumstances should they be sending out any picks or young players.

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but its the NBA and players like Harden dictate where they play. Other teams could have built better trade packages for AD but he wanted to be a Laker so. No shot HOU sends Harden somewhere he doesn't want to be. Does not happen in this league.

in the just the last 2-3 years, off the top of my head, the following trades involved all-star caliber players that did not control their destination: Blake to Detroit, CP3 to OKC, PG to OKC, Kawhi to Toronto, Butler to Minnesota, Derozan to SA.

and wind up with Levert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Randle, Ntilikina and a few draft picks? Just fold the franchise at that point.

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and wind up with Levert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Randle, Ntilikina and a few draft picks? Just fold the franchise at that point.

and it's not like they can try and live in the lottery for a few years. They owe quite a few picks to OKC.

for Westbrook are terrible for the Knicks. Same with Paul. Westbrook isn't a true lead dog. We don't have the complimentary pieces around him to maximize his skillset.

He's also 32, with injury concerns. That contract? Hard f'kin pass.

minutes to go. Surprised we haven't heard of more trades, but it may just come in a big flurry.

The latest intel, barring a last minute surprise drop for a guy like Tobin or a trade down, it is looking like the Knicks are going to take Devin Vassell.

Don't shoot the messenger as I actually hate this pick. I'm not high on him.

I've wanted Kira Lewis.

I thought they'd lean Okoro, but we'll see. I'll live with anyone except Haliburton - not the right roster for him.

any connection between a Harden trade to the Nets and the likelihood of a Westbrook trade to NYK.

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The latest intel, barring a last minute surprise drop for a guy like Tobin or a trade down, it is looking like the Knicks are going to take Devin Vassell. Don't shoot the messenger as I actually hate this pick. I'm not high on him. I've wanted Kira Lewis.

I'd be very fine with this. Prefer him to Okoro and probably Lewis. Would take Hayes over him but I think the assumption is Hayes won't be there. A great fit with the current roster and someone with a high floor, which in this draft is a nice add.

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in the just the last 2-3 years, off the top of my head, the following trades involved all-star caliber players that did not control their destination: Blake to Detroit, CP3 to OKC, PG to OKC, Kawhi to Toronto, Butler to Minnesota, Derozan to SA.

Also Kyrie to Boston and KP to Dallas too. There's recency bias because last offseason AD and Paul George were both able to force trades to their preferred destinations. But there are more examples in recent years of teams not sending disgruntled stars where they ask to be traded to.

decide on the 20/21 contracts for Portis, Payton, Bullock, Ellington?

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decide on the 20/21 contracts for Portis, Payton, Bullock, Ellington?

11/19

and said f this

Sell the team please

other than a few select guys...anybody come across this yet?

Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Washington big man Isaiah Stewart said he wore No. 33 while growing up because of Knicks Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing.

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Ian Begley @IanBegley Washington big man Isaiah Stewart said he wore No. 33 while growing up because of Knicks Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing.

This kid is an animal. Reminds me of Antonio Davis.

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other than a few select guys...anybody come across this yet?

Link - ( New Window )

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Ian Begley @IanBegley Washington big man Isaiah Stewart said he wore No. 33 while growing up because of Knicks Hall of Fame center Patrick Ewing.

lol. Ewing was probably out of the league before this guy was even born.

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In comment 15047655 NYG22 said: Quote: other than a few select guys...anybody come across this yet? Link - ( New Window )

thank you

us MJ

Hoop Central
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Michael Jordan reportedly wants Russell Westbrook on the Hornets;

“Front office sources tell me Michael Jordan wants the 2016-17 MVP, which is unsurprising and understandable.”

completely downplaying the Harden/Nets stuff.

Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
As usual, Kristaps Porzingis will be treated with extreme caution as Dallas GM Donnie Nelson said he'll likely miss start of season after tearing meniscus during playoffs.

to Phoenix heating up

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to Phoenix heating up

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Phoenix Suns are finalizing a deal to acquire Oklahoma City Thunder All-Star guard Chris Paul, sources tell ESPN.

to Suns, being finalized per Woj

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us MJ Hoop Central @TheHoopCentral · 12m Michael Jordan reportedly wants Russell Westbrook on the Hornets; “Front office sources tell me Michael Jordan wants the 2016-17 MVP, which is unsurprising and understandable.”

Supposedly the number three pick is on the table.
Go get em MJ

Aren’t a Westbrook away, they’d need to get another player to be a playoff contender. Rather they offer that package for CP3 who has 1 year less on his deal.

Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and draft compensation to the Thunder per Shams. More draft picks for the Thunder!

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
OKC has traded Chris Paul to Phoenix for Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and draft compensation

and I may he misreading it, but it seems that Rose seems to be basically in if it's a salary dump and a few other pieces. He doesn't seem desperate to get it done. Also if it's getting out there that we're cool on FVV its probably because he let it be know through back channels that he has little interest in coming here.

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The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

More premium draft capital for OKC. Amazing how many picks they've accumulated

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like we could have beaten that offer if we really wanted to.

Suns.

going to get like Jeff Teague or some shit.

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like we could have beaten that offer if we really wanted to.

Berman says Paul wasn't that interested in coming here, OKC let Paul have some say where he was headed.

Phoenix out of the FVV sweepstakes.

For NYK, FVV is really the best choice (significantly younger, cheaper and best shooter of CP3, Westbrook and god forbid, John Wall)

dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other.

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dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other.

Not doubting this but with the money equal if the fucking Pistons beat us out to a blue chip FA We should fold up and start over as an expansion team.

viewed as the early favorites for Gallo. That team could be a LOT of fun.

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dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other.

If the Raptors are willing to pay him, you have to think he'll stay there.

You just know OKC will tank next year and win the Cade sweepstakes, because that's how things go for good franchises.

I enjoyed watching OKC last year - I'll love watching that Phoenix squad.

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You just know OKC will tank next year and win the Cade sweepstakes, because that's how things go for good franchises.

Yep and once they get a star there they'll have enough draft capital to surround him with whatever they want.

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dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other.

Why?

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In comment 15047779 Jon in NYC said: Quote: dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other. Not doubting this but with the money equal if the fucking Pistons beat us out to a blue chip FA We should fold up and start over as an expansion team.

We should probably do this regardless

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In comment 15047779 Jon in NYC said: Quote: dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other. Why?

Mostly a hunch. There's been some rumors that Raps are confident in keeping him. The Pistons have been rumored to love Patrick Williams, which wouldn't make a ton of sense with so many PGs on the board unless you have your guy locked up.

now owns 17 picks over the next 6 drafts

gets re-routed to PHX.

There are going to be some bad teams next season that have been really good for a long time and agreed they are the ones that will hit the lottery, while we will go from 4 to 6 in next year's lottery.

they've got to go outside the family to get someone run basketball ops.

I don't have any sense of how much say Paul had but I take it as a good sign that's all it took - the Knicks could have beaten it if they truly wanted to. As it relates to Westbrook, I prefer not getting him at all but there is definitely a difference between more or less taking him as a salary dump vs. giving up real assets. This leads me to believe the latter path is less likely (and hopefully moot).

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they've got to go outside the family to get someone run basketball ops.

What? They just hired someone "outside the family" and he has made 0 moves so far other than hiring Thibs.

the talk of trading for Westbrook now, doesn't make a ton of sense for NYK.

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the talk of trading for Westbrook now, doesn't make a ton of sense for NYK.

Yeah no arguments here. Hopefully it's just connecting the dots to prior dumb Knick moves. It is admittedly very on brand for this franchise.

The kid can really shoot and play defense and is 100% a high motor guy. Somewhat limited ceiling as he's not a plus athlete and doesn't really get to the hoop, but I feel good about his ability to be a contributor for a good team. FSU players are usually pretty tough too.

Maybe it gives the Knicks more reason to move down? Vassell or Okoro certainly wouldn't keep me from doing it. Wait to see if anyone drops (Hayes/Toppin) and hopefully move down while you're on the clock.

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Maybe it gives the Knicks more reason to move down? Vassell or Okoro certainly wouldn't keep me from doing it. Wait to see if anyone drops (Hayes/Toppin) and hopefully move down while you're on the clock.

Eh, I'm not so sure. Paul's 35. They'll need another PG either way.

Safe bet to be a good player.

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they've got to go outside the family to get someone run basketball ops.

They've done exactly that. How could you possibly comment on them "playing checkers" when the new regime's tenure (for all intents and purposes) hasn't started yet?

Whether they get that guy in the draft or free agency, I don't care, but I don't think I can take another year filled with 5-26 3pt shooting nights.

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NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
Report: Oklahoma City Thunder expected to 'explore' trading Steven Adams

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Whether they get that guy in the draft or free agency, I don't care, but I don't think I can take another year filled with 5-26 3pt shooting nights.

I know I don't need to tell you this, but there's no question that having RJ limits what you can do with the pieces around him. You just can't have a non shooter at PG or SG or else the spacing is completely fucked.

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They've done exactly that. How could you possibly comment on them "playing checkers" when the new regime's tenure (for all intents and purposes) hasn't started yet?

To be fair, virtually any other year you could pop in and say they're playing checkers and you'd be right.

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In comment 15047850 NYG22 said: Quote: They've done exactly that. How could you possibly comment on them "playing checkers" when the new regime's tenure (for all intents and purposes) hasn't started yet? To be fair, virtually any other year you could pop in and say they're playing checkers and you'd be right.

Absolutely, but in this case, its also fair to be encouraged by the FO they've assembled. As I said in the OP, that optimism would disappear for me with a Westbrook acquisition.

Heh.

But yeah, this was the biggest reason for my concern about Barrett in the first place.

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Whether they get that guy in the draft or free agency, I don't care, but I don't think I can take another year filled with 5-26 3pt shooting nights.

Tim Hardaway Jr hasn't opted in yet.

what the odds are of (former UK Wildcats) Rajon Rondo or Boogie Cousins signing w NYK

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what the odds are of (former UK Wildcats) Rajon Rondo or Boogie Cousins signing w NYK

Kenny Payne is such a big hire and can turn out very big for former Cats wanting to continue to play for him. He was so loved by Kentucky and talks did happen about if Cal left for NBA that they’d love to promote him.

Just the tonic for what ails the Knicks!

the Calipari days

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Just the tonic for what ails the Knicks!

I don't love the idea bit if we get Kira Lewis, Rondo would be a solid backup and mentor and perhaps be a trade asset at the deadline.

Anybody we sign or draft needs to be able to shoot. We have Mitch and RJ as our building blocks and neither can shoot. Knox has a great looking shot, but will it ever translate in the game.

It is why I have been hot on Lewis and Nesmith since May.

Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Rockets star James Harden wants to be on a contender elsewhere, and Brooklyn and Philadelphia are believed to be his top desired trade destinations, sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA

@Stadium
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Houston is fully comfortable keeping Harden and Russell Westbrook into the season.

@ShamsCharania
Rockets star James Harden wants to be on a contender elsewhere, and Brooklyn and Philadelphia are believed to be his top desired trade destinations, sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA


Houston is fully comfortable keeping Harden and Russell Westbrook into the season.

We're not taking the Nets' middling role players.

Will end up with LAC

is a horrible fit for the Knicks.

I think he ends up in Philly with Doc.

Harden will get himself traded, but Houston will get the best deal and the Nets don't come close to Boston, Miami, Denver or even Portland in terms of packages.

The only way the Nets should be in the conversation is if they offer Kyrie. Houston wants an all star player (CJ McCollum) or young developing player (Michael Porter or Jaylen Brown) type.

SNY
@SNYtv
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."

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SNY @SNYtv · 50s "There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."

Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back

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In comment 15048066 DanMetroMan said: Quote: SNY @SNYtv · 50s "There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks." Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back

No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players

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In comment 15048093 Pete44 said: Quote: In comment 15048066 DanMetroMan said: Quote: SNY @SNYtv · 50s "There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks." Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players

Who says they still won't. I will not feel relaxed about this until Westbrook is safely on another team like Charlotte.

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@ShamsCharania Rockets star James Harden wants to be on a contender elsewhere, and Brooklyn and Philadelphia are believed to be his top desired trade destinations, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA Houston is fully comfortable keeping Harden and Russell Westbrook into the season.

Would Philly give up Simmons to land Harden?

Even though many of us HATE the idea of a Westbrook acquisition, let's try to imagine how this would play out.

I envision it being Randle, DSJ and one of the Dallas 1s for Westbrook. If that is the case, how would you feel about the likelihood of:

PG: RW, Malachi Flynn at 27, Jared Harper

SG: RJB, Ntilikina, Reggie Bullock

SF: Devin Vassell at 8, Knox, Iggy

PF: Christian Wood via FA 3 years @ 17.5mm per, Kenny Wooten, , Robert Woodard (a fav of mine at 38)

C: Mitchell Robinson, Taj Gibson, WCS on a cheap one year deal

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In comment 15048098 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15048093 Pete44 said: Quote: In comment 15048066 DanMetroMan said: Quote: SNY @SNYtv · 50s "There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks." Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players Who says they still won't. I will not feel relaxed about this until Westbrook is safely on another team like Charlotte.

what are your sources saying?

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In comment 15048101 Pete44 said: Quote: In comment 15048098 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15048093 Pete44 said: Quote: In comment 15048066 DanMetroMan said: Quote: SNY @SNYtv · 50s "There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks." Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players Who says they still won't. I will not feel relaxed about this until Westbrook is safely on another team like Charlotte. what are your sources saying?

My sources are not saying much on Westbrook. There seems to be some mixed info, where some buzz is that the Knicks really want him and other buzz, where they would only take him as a salary dump. There was a rumor today that Charlotte is offering the #3 pick for him, that would just be dumb, but who knows.

The main thing I have gotten today is that Devin Vassell looks like the pick at 8, unless Tobin falls or they trade down. An outside shot on Okoro and Lewis. Tobin is actually the guy they love.

curious who they'd go with if Hayes and Vassell were both on the board.

Also my take on someone who will fall: Tyrese Haliburton. The Knicks don't like him and I think he's going to end up going early teens.

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curious who they'd go with if Hayes and Vassell were both on the board. Also my take on someone who will fall: Tyrese Haliburton. The Knicks don't like him and I think he's going to end up going early teens.

Vassell could be a terrible pick. Knicks need a good guard or SF/PF. Don’t see him as being that good.

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curious who they'd go with if Hayes and Vassell were both on the board.

It does seem like it's going to come down to that decision on draft night.

declining his player option. Depending on the price, I'd be very interested in bringing him into the fold.

And Vassell can absolutely shoot

I'm good with Vassell, or one of the points (Hayes, Halliburton, Lewis).

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Gordon Hayward is reportedly undecided on picking up his $34.1M player option, per @Murf56


"All I can say is that a lot of people want him."

out. He's not getting 34 mil from anyone and certainly not from a winning team.

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out. He's not getting 34 mil from anyone and certainly not from a winning team.

unless he wants a long term deal for less money?

So is Obi Toppin

Kira Lewis is with Verus,same as Kevin Knox

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needs to decide if he wants 1 year for or like 4/80. Might be worth it to take the extra years at the lower salary. Assuming he can still get that much.

What is vassell upside? He def seems to have a lower ceiling then some of the other options (with a higher floor).

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needs to decide if he wants 1 year for or like 4/80. Might be worth it to take the extra years at the lower salary. Assuming he can still get that much. What is vassell upside? He def seems to have a lower ceiling then some of the other options (with a higher floor).

he is a 3 and d guy, he is going to be your lock down defender on the perimiter..

the athletic draft guide made the comparison to Danny Green. I dunno, feel like those types of guys can be found later then top 10.

Can't wait to hear the explanation if Daniel Otoru really does go in the 2nd round,like they're saying.

Might here lots of fancy words that don't add up to much

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the athletic draft guide made the comparison to Danny Green. I dunno, feel like those types of guys can be found later then top 10.

That is the problem with this draft, it is a bunch of role players

think Hayes can be much more than a role player.

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the athletic draft guide made the comparison to Danny Green. I dunno, feel like those types of guys can be found later then top 10.

The same could’ve been said for Klay Thompson and Devin Booker as draft prospects. Doesn’t mean he’ll come close to being as good as those two players but player comparisons are useless.

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think Hayes can be much more than a role player.

I am good with Hayes or Lewis

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In comment 15048323 Jon in NYC said: Quote: think Hayes can be much more than a role player. I think the Knicks will regret not taking Lewis. I'm still hearing Vassell. I am good with Hayes or Lewis

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In comment 15048334 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15048323 Jon in NYC said: Quote: think Hayes can be much more than a role player. I think the Knicks will regret not taking Lewis. I'm still hearing Vassell. I am good with Hayes or Lewis

I like Vassell, but they do need a point guard, Thibs like to put the ball in his guarss hands, it is part of the reason i think they like Westbrook..

Thibs knows he can trust Westbrook to run the offense..

I hesitate to even share this as it is against everything I have ever heard and I have sources close to the Bucks.
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I hesitate to even share this as it is against everything I have ever heard and I have sources close to the Bucks. Link - ( New Window )

This guy is a troll. Not a real reporter and based on what I saw him tweeting earlier today, isn’t intending to be taken seriously.

i mean this is the perfect time of year to throw out a Giannis to NY rumor. Or really anyone to NY rumor.

Ive said all along i wont be upset with whoever they pick, if its Vassell then i hope he can be a bit more on offense then just a shooter. Im going to at least give this FO a draft and offseason before i start trashing them, lol

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I hesitate to even share this as it is against everything I have ever heard and I have sources close to the Bucks. Link - ( New Window )

The guy is a troll, used to have a different account, just makes up fake stuff to rile up Knicks fans

worked out Devin Vassell and Kira, but they weren't able to work out Hayes, but they tried to get something scheduled. Wonder if that sways them in either direction.

Couldn't find a full list but I also believe I read Nesmith and Okoro got workouts. They only can do 10 this year so it's limited.

I’m not sure about Nesmith but I believe they haven’t worked out Okoro, just did a Zoom interview.

for Bledsoe and Hill plus “draft compensation.”

steep price. Especially if Giannis walks...

ptsd just hearing about it as a net fan.

Giannis is holding them hostage right now, as all star players do.

the Rockets need a helluva lot more for Harden.

Bogdonavic sign and trade to bucks as well

would be a Knick right now? Gotta give Rose at least some credit for holding off Dolan who is probably dying to make a splash in this splashy market

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would be a Knick right now? Gotta give Rose at least some credit for holding off Dolan who is probably dying to make a splash in this splashy market

I think previous front offices would have given up mutiple 1st rounders already..

The covington trade does make it seem like the Rockets see the writing on the wall

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is he a better player then Bledsoe, sure, but is he so much better he is worth giving up 3 firsts for?


Love that trade for POR. Covington fits perfectly with that team

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is he a better player then Bledsoe, sure, but is he so much better he is worth giving up 3 firsts for? Love that trade for POR. Covington fits perfectly with that team

Opens the door for Melo to come to the knicks hahaha..

Also opens the door for the Rockets to gice a first to the Knicks in the Westbrook trade

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gotta give the Knicks credit for doing this for many years before it became trendy...lol.

Price for Jrue. He has 1 more year, followed by a player option that he’ll probably decline. I wouldn’t have done that price for Jrue, but would have been the perfect PG to acquire if the price was affordable. 3 firsts plus Bledsoe and Hill is nuts. Jrue is better than Bledsoe but not 3 firsts worthy better.

But that price is insane. Especially if Giannis bolts and Jrue opts out. That team could crater in a hurry and some of those picks can be lottery picks. The Bucks are going all in for the next 2 seasons.

I think you gotta wait and see the protections on the firsts. Like guaranteed dollars in NFL contracts.

What a great trade for New Orleans. Holiday is really good but that is a lot to give up. Add in the Bogdanvic deal and the Bucks are giving up a ton. Maybe this is a precursor to Giannis signing the super max? But he doesn't make any sense for him to do that- might as well just ride it out until free agency.

I wonder if New Orleans tries to get involved in the Harden talks. They could easily trounce the BKN offer. I don't really see any reason why Houston would take the Nets offer unless they are getting about 5 future 1sts along with those players...

spoke to a writer, majority of the Knicks chatter has been moving up and/or down in the draft and those talks are active (both ways).

to really like Toppin, but if they're moving up it seems likely to go after LaMelo.

I also wonder if they're trying to move up from 27 to like 15 to try to get whoever of Okoro/Kira/Vassell/Hayes falls.

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to really like Toppin, but if they're moving up it seems likely to go after LaMelo. I also wonder if they're trying to move up from 27 to like 15 to try to get whoever of Okoro/Kira/Vassell/Hayes falls.

If they move up from 27, dont rule out RJ Hampton

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Tough to picture anyone motivated to trade up to #1, except for maybe Charlotte

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What a great trade for New Orleans. Holiday is really good but that is a lot to give up. Add in the Bogdanvic deal and the Bucks are giving up a ton. Maybe this is a precursor to Giannis signing the super max? But he doesn't make any sense for him to do that- might as well just ride it out until free agency. I wonder if New Orleans tries to get involved in the Harden talks. They could easily trounce the BKN offer. I don't really see any reason why Houston would take the Nets offer unless they are getting about 5 future 1sts along with those players...

5 first round picks plus those players is probably the bare minimum. LAC traded 5 firsts and 2 pick swaps for Paul George and that was in addition to SGA and Gallinari. SGA was/is a better asset than any of the players the Nets would be sending.

To move from 27-15 range? 27, 38 and a player? Or more? I do wonder what they do end up doing. It’ll definitely be fun but hope they don’t give the world for Westbrook and that $.

Covington is a nice player, and this is a weak draft but 2 1sts (including 16th overall)... Houston did well

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Here is the pick breakdown on the Jrue Holiday trade:

New Orleans receives

2020 1st (via IND)
2024 right to swap
2025 1st unprotected
2026 right to swap
2027 1st unprotected

Must be pretty nice to trade picks 4+ years down the road when it will probably be someone else's problem.

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Covington is a nice player, and this is a weak draft but 2 1sts (including 16th overall)... Houston did well

I don't get this for Houston. They're trying to win now so they downgrade for two late picks?

Williams now rumored to go as high as 4 wow.

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I think this signals they are shopping westbrook and Harden, Westbrook we knew, but Harden is gone..

Id argue Covington was their 3rd best player, between him and Tucker

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So now we have a possible Patrick Williams promise on top of the Bulls not extending a QO to Kris Dunn, which would make you think they're targeting a ball handler.

So who the hell knows what's up.

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In comment 15048843 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15048836 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Covington is a nice player, and this is a weak draft but 2 1sts (including 16th overall)... Houston did well I don't get this for Houston. They're trying to win now so they downgrade for two late picks? I think this signals they are shopping westbrook and Harden, Westbrook we knew, but Harden is gone.. Id argue Covington was their 3rd best player, between him and Tucker

Pretty sure this just confirms they're rebuilding.

Covington is a GREAT defender and role player. He's not a lockdown defender who can shut individuals down, but he's incredible at team defense. Really enjoyed watching him in Houston. He's a great get by the Blazers. The Blazers should look into flipping CJ McCollum for a more well-rounded two way player and they could be contenders.

I wonder if that bum Tilman Fertitta has anything to say about this whenever he goes on CNBC to whine about his businesses again. Fuck the NBA for letting him be an owner.

they plan to use those picks in another deal to appease Harden. If there is truly zero interest around the league in Westbrook, keeping both and trying to improve in some way elsewhere wouldn’t be the worst idea. Of course they could also be intending to use them to make it possible to move Westbrook.

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Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand.

Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board.

almost everyone likes. But trading potentially 5 picks for a 30 year old non-All Star is one hell of a risky move. With Holiday and Bogdan, they definitely upgraded the starting lineup but their depth is pathetic. They really need to have a good FA to round out the roster. Budenholzer will also need to adjust his deep rotations.

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Jonathan Wasserman @NBADraftWass · 1m Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand. Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board.

So guys who very well could be off the board:

1) Lamelo
2) Edwards
3) Pat Williams
4) Tyrese Haliburton
5) Okongwu


So one of Wiseman, Avdija and Toppin would fall to us

everyone seems to love this for the Bucks but it's a hell of a risk for a very good but not great player. If Giannis still bolts you've basically solidified yourselves as bottom dwellers for a decade.

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In comment 15048871 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jonathan Wasserman @NBADraftWass · 1m Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand. Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board. So guys who very well could be off the board: 1) Lamelo 2) Edwards 3) Pat Williams 4) Tyrese Haliburton 5) Okongwu So one of Wiseman, Avdija and Toppin would fall to us

Wiseman isn't falling out of the top 3, but I could see Avidja and Toppin dropping to 8.

(Youtube highlight video opinion coming....) I'd be very interested in Madar at 38

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everyone seems to love this for the Bucks but it's a hell of a risk for a very good but not great player. If Giannis still bolts you've basically solidified yourselves as bottom dwellers for a decade.

they had to of gotten a guarantee from Giannis before doing this deal

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In comment 15048871 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jonathan Wasserman @NBADraftWass · 1m Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand. Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board. So guys who very well could be off the board: 1) Lamelo 2) Edwards 3) Pat Williams 4) Tyrese Haliburton 5) Okongwu So one of Wiseman, Avdija and Toppin would fall to us

Wiseman will go 3 if he is there, Williams 4, toppin 5

Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.

deal was that teams around the league may have viewed Hill and/or Blesoe as negative value players given their contracts. If that's the case, you usually have to pay with picks to unload the deals.

considered it because he didn't seem like an option to fall, but Avidja could be an interesting fit as a 3/4 playmaker.

At 8 still can get a very solid player if they don’t move up, I’m still not incredibly sold on Vassell though. Also think they do need to find there PG if they love one of them at 8, but shouldn’t force a trade to take Lamelo. I don’t know if he is the answer... if Hayes is there at 8, and many say he’s a top prospect in this draft, wouldn’t pass on him. He does seem to play good defense as well but wouldn’t force that pick.

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Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.

I totally agree. I see him and think, if everything hits right he could be Onunoby in 3-4 years. I mean, Onunoby is a nice role player and the kind of guy that is en vogue these days, but not the kind of guy I'd draft top 5.

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In comment 15048892 Greg from LI said: Quote: Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me. I totally agree. I see him and think, if everything hits right he could be Onunoby in 3-4 years. I mean, Onunoby is a nice role player and the kind of guy that is en vogue these days, but not the kind of guy I'd draft top 5.

IDK, OG is a lockdown defender. He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA.

Top 5 will be-

Giannis
Middleton
Holiday
Bodganovic
Robin or Brook Lopez

Is that improved? Definitely and Bledsoe had to go given his playoff struggles. But to me they are paying a massive amount between Dante, the picks and the swaps while taking on a huge risk.

I wonder if they pursued Chris Paul. Definitely older and probably bigger injury risk, but I think hes better and could help them more. Would have cost less too. I'm also curious if Bledsoe becomes available on the cheap. Wouldn't mind the Knicks pursuing him.

Huge lottery swap for Warriors and Knicks
Golden State Warriors get: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick in 2020

New York Knicks get: No. 2 pick in 2020


Houston Rockets get: Jarrett Allen, Spencer Dinwiddie, Rodions Kurucs, Caris LeVert, No. 19 pick in 2020, 2021 swap, 2024 first-round pick, 2025 swap

Brooklyn Nets get: James Harden, Ben McLemore

Some absurd trades on here but these 2 jumped out. Unless the Knicks are truly in love with a guy at 2, why on earth are they doing this trade? Ja Morant isn't exactly sitting at 2nd overall..

And why would Houston do this move? I know Levert and others are involved, but your telling me the Rockets can only get a late 2020 1st and a 2024 1st for Harden? Come on.
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Huge lottery swap for Warriors and Knicks Golden State Warriors get: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick in 2020 New York Knicks get: No. 2 pick in 2020 Houston Rockets get: Jarrett Allen, Spencer Dinwiddie, Rodions Kurucs, Caris LeVert, No. 19 pick in 2020, 2021 swap, 2024 first-round pick, 2025 swap Brooklyn Nets get: James Harden, Ben McLemore Some absurd trades on here but these 2 jumped out. Unless the Knicks are truly in love with a guy at 2, why on earth are they doing this trade? Ja Morant isn't exactly sitting at 2nd overall.. And why would Houston do this move? I know Levert and others are involved, but your telling me the Rockets can only get a late 2020 1st and a 2024 1st for Harden? Come on. ESPN - ( New Window )

If NYK are in love with Wiseman over Robinson, it could make sense. Also supposedly there were issues with Robinson and contract? Anthony Edwards can be very good, but this type of trade should only be done if it’s a sure PG that NYK have been needing for years. They still have a late first, maybe can move that with someone else for a mid first and get someone else in that 12-17 range?

apparently shopped Walker HARD to to and land Holiday

was awful in the playoffs. Not a surprise they tried to upgrade there.

to slide up in a balanced and weak-ish lottery class would be a poor decision for a team with a roster as bad as NYK, IMO.

If you told me that you want to trade Mitch+ (some stuff not including #8) to acquire the #2, that could make some sense.

Hornets and Knicks only 2 teams interested in Westbrook, with "caveats"

In fact,I know it will

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was awful in the playoffs. Not a surprise they tried to upgrade there.

I don't know if he ever really got healthy. Also, might be first time jitters.

if it's for Ball. The Knicks desperately need building blocks who can develop into stars. If they feel like Ball is that (and by 'they' I mean Walt Perrin), then by all means go get your guy.

It's very risky but if there's strong conviction then I'd rather them go after the guy they want rather than sit there and draft Jordan Hill.

with it. I think the positives outweigh the negatives but I can see the other side of that. Either way it plays out,
I'm just really glad that they are for once not making big moves just for the sake of them.

I kinda feel like the Hornets will probably be more desperate than the Knicks for Westbrook. We'll see.

that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class.

Mitch, but the contract is going to be an issue, soon. Im not opposed to moving him if the right opportunity presents itself.

But I don't see the value in moving up in this draft. Maybe #1 overall to get Ball, though I don't know he's a sure star, but that's about it.

be so insanely stupid.

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that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class.

Agreed. No one on this roster is even close to untouchable, but thats too much to give up to get to 2.

I'm still hoping the Knicks draft Hayes. I wonder if he's there at 6 if there is a trade up with Atlanta as a possibility.

apparently loaded.

For #2? OK. Not Robinson + #8.

Is a nice player who can’t shoot.

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In comment 15049050 Greg from LI said: Quote: that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class. Agreed. No one on this roster is even close to untouchable, but thats too much to give up to get to 2. I'm still hoping the Knicks draft Hayes. I wonder if he's there at 6 if there is a trade up with Atlanta as a possibility.

Yeah I'm on the Hayesbbandwagon or Lewis. This team so desperately needs a lead guard. I'm not doubting the talent of Okuru but how do you stick another wing guy next to when they both can't shoot past 10-15 feet? Cassel can shoot, I just didn't see him that much so I can't really comment as much but I just think this team needs a lead guard or a 2 guard that is a bonafide NBA 3 point marksman and can eventually score about 20 a night.

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apparently loaded.

Very very doubtful, but have to hope Dallas falls back next year out of the playoffs and into the lottery. Long shot though.

Would also love the Knicks to trade back or even out of the 8th spot if it got them a another pick possibly in the lottery next year.

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Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.

Played 22 minutes as a freshman. Shooting was 46/32/84. Averaged a steal and a block a game. It's a pretty weak draft, and could be seen as an upside play. Bulls are rumored to love him. They do have Karnisovas now, who was instrumental in bringing in Jokic, Murray, and Porter.

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In comment 15049067 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 15049050 Greg from LI said: Quote: that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class. Agreed. No one on this roster is even close to untouchable, but thats too much to give up to get to 2. I'm still hoping the Knicks draft Hayes. I wonder if he's there at 6 if there is a trade up with Atlanta as a possibility. Yeah I'm on the Hayesbbandwagon or Lewis. This team so desperately needs a lead guard. I'm not doubting the talent of Okuru but how do you stick another wing guy next to when they both can't shoot past 10-15 feet? Cassel can shoot, I just didn't see him that much so I can't really comment as much but I just think this team needs a lead guard or a 2 guard that is a bonafide NBA 3 point marksman and can eventually score about 20 a night.

Meant to say next to RJ...and meant Vassel not Cassel

things that worry me about him reaching his ceiling. There is of course his decision not to show up for the Thibs workouts and the potential for his contract situation to create issues, but more importantly he has what appears to be really low bball IQ/intelligence and a less than serious attitude. Both are a little worrisome to me.

to trade two young assets for one. This draft needs to yield a 3rd player to add to Mitch and RJB.

Two reasons:

1 there are no projections for there being superstars at the top of this draft

2 When you draft guys that are busts (to this point) like Ntilikina and Knox and have nothing else positive going on, you need to establish a foundation.

Begley noting that the Pelicans have a lot of PG now and have a lot of interest in a PG projected to go in the lottery. Maybe they trade a PG to trade up to 8? And if they want to trade up to get PG, maybe they don't like Ball.

Rockets and Nets have verbal agreement on a Harden deal

Jonathan Wasserman
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Draft rumor making the rounds: Speculation that Isaiah Joe has a promise from the 76ers, either at 21 or 34.

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I don't know who that is but this would be quite a fast turnaround from Woj saying the Rockets and Nets hadn't had any serious discussions as recent as this morning.

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In comment 15049167 nygiants16 said: Quote: Rockets and Nets have verbal agreement on a Harden deal I don't know who that is but this would be quite a fast turnaround from Woj saying the Rockets and Nets hadn't had any serious discussions as recent as this morning.

he runs netsdaily i think

Zach Lowe
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Gordon Hayward and the Celtics are working to extend the deadline on Hayward to decide on his $34.2 million player option for the 2020-21 season from today at 5 p.m. to Thursday afternoon, league sources tell ESPN.

i will pretend to be excited--- but not be...
depth would be gutted. levert and allen reaching potential with healthy kd and kyrie and depth would be enough to compete for the next 5 yrs.
now they still would need health, but have no depth, and the style of play- ugh painful.


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Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 9m Gordon Hayward and the Celtics are working to extend the deadline on Hayward to decide on his $34.2 million player option for the 2020-21 season from today at 5 p.m. to Thursday afternoon, league sources tell ESPN.

So if Hayward signs it before the draft, in theory they could trade him at the draft. Are they possibly looking to extend him to say 3 years at $75M to save $9M this year? What could it mean?

partner in which he'd opt-in

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i will pretend to be excited--- but not be... depth would be gutted. levert and allen reaching potential with healthy kd and kyrie and depth would be enough to compete for the next 5 yrs. now they still would need health, but have no depth, and the style of play- ugh painful. Link - ( New Window )

It seems like "Harden to the Nets" is really picking up steam these last couple of hours. Ugh, I was hoping he would go to the Sixers but there are reports Fertitta's petty ass doesn't want to give him to Morey at all so he'll take a lesser deal with the Nets.

Considering what Jrue Holiday got, the Rockets better receive every other Nets first round pick for the rest of the decade. Dinwiddie and Levert are OK but nothing special.

It's going to be fascinating to see Kyrie and Harden play together. Especially if Durant doesn't get back to the level he was at before the injury. That team is going to have explosive potential, both good and bad. IMO, if this move goes down then I think Ibaka will be coming to Brooklyn as well which would be big.

Unlimited power. Harden wakes up one morning and decides he wants to go play in Brooklyn, and it's just assumed Houston has to move heaven and earth to make it happen. A player for whom they have bent over backwards to accommodate, and who has delivered them nothing in the way of championships or Finals appearances. Houston could probably get Simmons from Philly, Porter Jr. from Denver, McCollum from Portland, Brown/Kemba/assets from Boston - but no, they have to settle for the Nets' role players. End rant.

tweet that there's a verbal agreement is true. That was an hour ago, does anyone really think Woj is getting scooped by a full hour and counting? Maybe a few minutes...

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tweet that there's a verbal agreement is true. That was an hour ago, does anyone really think Woj is getting scooped by a full hour and counting? Maybe a few minutes...

The guy apparently has a source close to Irving, take FWIW

earlier today that the Nets are throwing everything but KD and Durant at the Rockets including all future picks, all pick swaps plus the players already mentioned. I believe that's 4 firsts and 3 pick swaps over the next 7 years.

offered Ben Simmons + picks but the Rockets chose Levert/Dinwiddie + picks instead because Fertitta doesn't want to help Morey, then I might just quit being a Rockets fan. It's incredible how shitty an owner this guy is, all of this BS is happening because he forced Morey into trading CP3 for Westbrook. I'm so close to being done with the team until he's forced to sell them. I'm gonna start rooting for the Knicks because they have better ownership.

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offered Ben Simmons + picks but the Rockets chose Levert/Dinwiddie + picks instead because Fertitta doesn't want to help Morey, then I might just quit being a Rockets fan. It's incredible how shitty an owner this guy is, all of this BS is happening because he forced Morey into trading CP3 for Westbrook. I'm so close to being done with the team until he's forced to sell them. I'm gonna start rooting for the Knicks because they have better ownership.

I don't blame you. Why would the owner be that spiteful to Morey but NOT to Harden? Tell Harden the Nets don't have the All-Star player we want so give us five other teams you could live with and we'll do our best.

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i get why BKN makes the move, but i dont think its a smart move. I mean it would be smart if they traded irving for Harden (I know they wont do this) but to add Harden to Irving and KD doesnt really make sense. All 3 of those guys best skill (By far) is scoring. So it becomes a bit redundant. Plus Kyrie should be the way to take a major backseat (he is the least efficient) yet i feel like he is the one least likely to take the bosh role, ha.

Again i get why you do this if you are BKN, im just not sure they would be better after this trade.

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Stein saying Knicks wouldn't offer much (Randle, DSJ, Mavs first tops) if they are interested at all.

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Yea, that's what they should do. But it's also about Owners/FO's maintaining good relationships with agents. Harden has carried the Rockets more than any player has carried one franchise over the last 8 years. So I really don't even feel that angry about Harden asking out. If the potential offers are roughly the same, I have no issue with sending him to the Nets even if it's slightly worse than another deal if that's where he wants to go. But if there's a big difference (like Simmons vs. Levert/Dinwiddie), then you take the better offer regardless of what the star you're trading away wants.

7 years of picks and swapping

These guys are flaky,in particular Irving,and he's the ring leader.If this doesn't work out,he could wake up in a year and half and decide he's gonna retire,than buy LaMelo Ball's Australian Globetrotter team.

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Top 5 will be- Giannis Middleton Holiday Bodganovic Robin or Brook Lopez Is that improved? Definitely and Bledsoe had to go given his playoff struggles. But to me they are paying a massive amount between Dante, the picks and the swaps while taking on a huge risk. I wonder if they pursued Chris Paul. Definitely older and probably bigger injury risk, but I think hes better and could help them more. Would have cost less too. I'm also curious if Bledsoe becomes available on the cheap. Wouldn't mind the Knicks pursuing him.

Jrue Holiday is a huge upgrade, and Bogdonovic would have been their 3rd best player this past year. They did give up a lot, but it's peanuts if they resign Giannis.

if they get Harden they are a contender and it's understandable but I'm not really rooting for it. Same as Kyrie last year but worse because it's going to cost more than just letting DLo walk elsewhere. They had (and hopefully have?) a chance to build something that could evolve post-KD to be more like the Spurs model. That was what I was hoping the goal would be more than just grabbing ring chasers when timing worked out.

I suppose you could say that Riley has just as good of a model and that he has both built a winning org and accommodated ring chasing to multiple titles, but going all in on 31yo Harden, post-surgery KD, and Irving, and mortgaging all the younger players who could have been part of the post-KD world seems antithetical to sustainable success.

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Yea, that's what they should do. But it's also about Owners/FO's maintaining good relationships with agents. Harden has carried the Rockets more than any player has carried one franchise over the last 8 years. So I really don't even feel that angry about Harden asking out. If the potential offers are roughly the same, I have no issue with sending him to the Nets even if it's slightly worse than another deal if that's where he wants to go. But if there's a big difference (like Simmons vs. Levert/Dinwiddie), then you take the better offer regardless of what the star you're trading away wants.

I don't believe that's true about maintaining good relationship with agents. Agents know it's a business. When players are sent to their preferred destination it's because the preferred destination has the best offer on the table (either because they have the assets or because they have a year left on their deal and make it known they won't resign anywhere). Neither of these factors are the case here.

Knicks interested in Hayward

hellbent on lowering payroll

The Hornets and Knicks are the only teams even entertaining the idea of Westbrook. Hornets it sounds like would be interested if they didn't land LaMelo Ball tomorrow night (although it's murky if that's the case). There's not an internal agreement within the Knicks brass on acquiring Westbrook and it seems that if they did decide to make an offer it would be Randle, DSJ and maybe a projected late first from the Mavs (I assume this means the protected 1 but wasn't clear). Still, putting that offer on the table isn't a given either.

Also, if there is an agreement or a deal is close between the Nets and Rockets he didn't get the memo. He discusses Harden's situation but no mention of that.

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The Hornets and Knicks are the only teams even entertaining the idea of Westbrook. Hornets it sounds like would be interested if they didn't land LaMelo Ball tomorrow night (although it's murky if that's the case). There's not an internal agreement within the Knicks brass on acquiring Westbrook and it seems that if they did decide to make an offer it would be Randle, DSJ and maybe a projected late first from the Mavs (I assume this means the protected 1 but wasn't clear). Still, putting that offer on the table isn't a given either. Also, if there is an agreement or a deal is close between the Nets and Rockets he didn't get the memo. He discusses Harden's situation but no mention of that.

LOL. Michael Jordan and Lavar Ball involved with the Hornets would be somethin'

Nothing worse than awful owners. Nothing.

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Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA

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hellbent on lowering payroll

There were questions about his financial stability when he bought the team, Rockets fans were already worried he would be cheap. But since his businesses (casinos, restaurants, hotels, etc.) have been particularly destroyed due to COVID, he is in terrible shape right now.

He's also made his 25 year old son Patrick one of the big decision makers in the Rockets front office. So his shittiness goes beyond being broke.

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In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks interested in Hayward Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA

Since he has agreed to push off the opt in date it tells me they are working together to get a deal

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In comment 15049264 nygiants16 said: Quote: hellbent on lowering payroll There were questions about his financial stability when he bought the team, Rockets fans were already worried he would be cheap. But since his businesses (casinos, restaurants, hotels, etc.) have been particularly destroyed due to COVID, he is in terrible shape right now. He's also made his 25 year old son Patrick one of the big decision makers in the Rockets front office. So his shittiness goes beyond being broke.

The Athletic article I believe nygiants16 is referencing said that some of their moves that were sold as "revolutionizing the game" like the Capela trade were actually made to lower payroll and avoid paying the luxury tax.

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how do you view this in terms of trade value, though? Is the writing on the wall that he intends to opt in for financial reasons, and the celtics would prefer to have him off the payroll? So if you're the trade partner, are you doing Boston a favor?

1 year at $34M seems pretty well above market. So is this a dump that Boston should be attaching another asset to in order to get off the hook? If so, this is exactly the type of thing the Knicks should be diving into.

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In comment 15049273 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: In comment 15049264 nygiants16 said: Quote: hellbent on lowering payroll There were questions about his financial stability when he bought the team, Rockets fans were already worried he would be cheap. But since his businesses (casinos, restaurants, hotels, etc.) have been particularly destroyed due to COVID, he is in terrible shape right now. He's also made his 25 year old son Patrick one of the big decision makers in the Rockets front office. So his shittiness goes beyond being broke. The Athletic article I believe nygiants16 is referencing said that some of their moves that were sold as "revolutionizing the game" like the Capela trade were actually made to lower payroll and avoid paying the luxury tax.

I just saw a blurb on realgm saying he wants to cut payroll because he lost money durong the pandemic

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In comment 15049277 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15049272 UGADawgs7 said: Quote: In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks interested in Hayward Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA Since he has agreed to push off the opt in date it tells me they are working together to get a deal how do you view this in terms of trade value, though? Is the writing on the wall that he intends to opt in for financial reasons, and the celtics would prefer to have him off the payroll? So if you're the trade partner, are you doing Boston a favor? 1 year at $34M seems pretty well above market. So is this a dump that Boston should be attaching another asset to in order to get off the hook? If so, this is exactly the type of thing the Knicks should be diving into.

No idea haha, i really dont know his value..

I would assume thr Knicks would hope they can get 1 of Bostons first rounders this year

Barrett? Who says no?

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reports. He says the best asset NY would trade to Houston is a future Mavericks pick, but they remain skeptical.

Sounds like there is legitimate interest in him. They probably want to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing .

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Sounds like there is legitimate interest in him. They probably want to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing .

this is the most likely scenario, it sounds like he thinks he can get an offer in free agency and is willing to opt out..

if they get him for nothing. And even then the reporters arent sure. Look Russ for nothing is not the end of the world. Especially if you sign/draft a couple shooters to put with RJ and Russ. I am not saying i want Russ, but for free i can talk myself into at least seeing a team that can win 40 games. Im so tired of watching this team win low 20's. Again not saying i want him, but at least that talk of sending a bunch of assets for him is done.

but Knicks fan tv will have begely on tonight

have talked wall for westbrook according to shams

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Don't understand this at all. Is this supposed to make Harden happy? Why would Houston take on Wall's contract?

especially for HOU. They take the worst salary on the worse player who hasnt played in a year and a half or whatever it is. Unless WAS is throwing in a young player like Brown or a pick or two.

shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden?

It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.

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especially for HOU. They take the worst salary on the worse player who hasnt played in a year and a half or whatever it is. Unless WAS is throwing in a young player like Brown or a pick or two.

I guess thenpoint is they would get an asset back, they dont want to trade westbrook for nothing

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shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden? It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.

if we're allowing ourselves to get really crazy, we could also take back Gordon for an expiring.

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Absolutely. Even with those two guys, they'd have some room this offseason for FA additions but would have a full max spot available next year once Randle is off the books.

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if they trade for Westbrook, Hayward would be a decent running mate. Unfortunately they'd still probably be the worst team in the division.

anything with Hayward would be a sign and trade, so he would opt out and then get a long term deal..

Could knock down his cap hit

i like the idea of signing Hayward, but i dont really want to give up much for him.

Ok im not hating the idea of adding Russ and Hayward, lol. I mean:

Russ
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Mitch

with the #8 pick, and whoever is left of Knox and Frank, and some vet signings. Might battle for the 6 seed in the east, lol.

I have my doubts about that.

Apparently KD, Kyrie, & Harden are all training together in LA & this is where they hatched the idea to team up together.

is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit.

Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....

That's a lot of mouths to feed. Throw in a first year HC...well, it could go off the rails. Or be a complete success. It'd be entertaining as hell to follow.

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is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit. Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....

weei reported something to, but i dont know if it was a rehash of bob or their own

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In comment 15049369 Italianju said: Quote: is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit. Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD.... weei reported something to, but i dont know if it was a rehash of bob or their own

Honestly no idea if he is right or not.

according to Chris Haynes

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i like the idea of signing Hayward, but i dont really want to give up much for him.

we can just sign him outright.

Suffice to say that earlier report of an agreement between the Nets and Rockets was BS.
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about the players’ power to do this. He mentioned that owners fought to get rid of the long-term contracts (think Allan Houston) because they felt players cashed in and stopped working as hard. The unintended consequence of shorter deals was allowing players more power over personnel decisions because of the looming threat they’ll leave.

Anyway, I still think this Harden thing is a bridge too far. I hope Houston holds firm and gets a star player in return.

but at the same time, Anthony Davis remains an anomaly of a player forcing their way to where they want to go. And even in that case, it's not like the Pelicans didn't get good value relative to packages other teams could've put together.

If I'm Houston I am simply not agreeing to that Brooklyn deal. I'm holding out for Ben Simmons and shopping around for a better package. Maybe that doesn't happen, but that Brooklyn deal is going to be there for them whenever they want it.

Sounds very likely that Giannis is signing the supermax with the Bucks. Good for him and saves us a year of bullshit rumors he's interested in New York.

training camp as a member of the Rockets

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That should be fun

a George Costanza-level stand-off.

Celts trying to trade Walker and Haywood to make room for Harden.

The rockets wouldnt want to have two disgruntled stars for their rookie head coach to deal with

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Walker and hayward for Randle, Frank, DSJ, future 1st

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That’s be a great trade for NYK, don’t know if Boston would do it/ want more.

expect a lot of action tomorrow

really changed my mind on this 15 times and probably will again, but I'm really starting to think they should take Vassell. I think he has a higher ceiling than most want to say since the 3 and D trope is so easy. Could definitely develop into a 3rd scoring option on a team.

when we landed the 8th pick. I'm sure that was the first name I threw out there on that thread. We've dissected every possibility but I'm still coming back to Vassell. My only concern is Kira Lewis' potential - I could see us regretting passing on him.

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when we landed the 8th pick. I'm sure that was the first name I threw out there on that thread. We've dissected every possibility but I'm still coming back to Vassell. My only concern is Kira Lewis' potential - I could see us regretting passing on him.

I like Kira a lot. It's between Kira/Hayes/Vassell for me.

I keep trying to talk myself into Toppin but I can't do it. Too upright, too bad a defender, not great awareness.

I don't think Haliburton can create enough at the PG spot so I would pass on him.

And Okoro probably has a solid role in the NBA but he's just a bad fit with RJ.

The only other guy that could be the pick is possibly Avidja, who also isn't a great fit with RJ but I think has high upside.

The Knicks have three glaring weaknesses - point play, shooting, and defense. They have to come out of this with either a point guard or a guy who can really shoot, and whoever it is needs to at least not be a defensive black hole.

Expect the stupid and Okoro

besides Okoro i would be mad at, this draft is a crapshoot, but i also think most of the players are high floor

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besides Okoro i would be mad at, this draft is a crapshoot, but i also think most of the players are high floor

Tobbin could be a bad pick due to lack of quickness and bad defensive play, but Okoro seems like a bust candidate. Would love Quickley at 27 or 38...

This is an interesting draft to me in that I really don't have any prospect at 8 I truly hate. Personally I'd love to see Hayes/Kira but no one is a slam dunk and no one has no redeeming qualities.

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besides Okoro i would be mad at, this draft is a crapshoot, but i also think most of the players are high floor

Completely agree with this. Okoro is by far the worst fit for this team. The last thing they need is another non-shooter, I can't watch another season of RJ beating his guy into the paint just to be met by 4 guys at the rim because we don't have anyone that can stretch the floor.

I know it's not the popular opinion, but I really want Toppin, Hayes, or Lewis. We never really got a chance to see what Chandler, Stat, and Carmelo could do together while all healthy, Mitch, Toppin, and RJ would be the young, new age version of that (all 3 guys have a heck of a lot of growth to do to live up to those guys, I know). Having Robinson on the floor will help cover up a lot of Toppin's flaws defensively, and you just hope Thibs can help him improve.

I would be just as happy with any of the PGs though, the need there is undeniable, and to me Lewis has the highest upside.

He's an elite athlete and can be an elite defender. And he's the kind of worker that makes it hard to say that he can't become a very good offensive player too. Fast enough to guard a PG. Strong enough to guard bigger wings.

I get that the offense is not there. But from the day he's drafted he's a defensive force. And while it wouldn't be fun to watch them shoot, a lineup with Mitch, Frank and Okoro would be a pain to play against.

In theory, the Knicks are building a real basketball development organization. You can see why Thibs would love him. He's a Jimmy Butler starter kit. Jaylen Brown is a good comp too. It's true that he may only end up to be a defensive player but even that's pretty damn good.

Traded 27 and 38 for 23 and Tomic. Wonder who they can really want at 23?