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NYG22 : 11/16/2020 8:32 am
Rumor that seems reliable: OKC to send Dennis Schroeder to LAL for Danny Green's corpse and the 28th overall pick.

One would assume that this means Rajon Rondo (FA) will not return. Note that he went to UK and you'll see a pronounced roster shift (or assumption of a shift) to it being UK strong.

Rumor that seems unreliable: James Harden to Nets for Lavert, Dinwiddie, Allen and perhaps draft compensation.

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Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 1:32 pm : link
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dont think the Knicks will get FVV. I'd put the odds 50% Raptors, 40% Pistons, 10% other.


Why?


Mostly a hunch. There's been some rumors that Raps are confident in keeping him. The Pistons have been rumored to love Patrick Williams, which wouldn't make a ton of sense with so many PGs on the board unless you have your guy locked up.
OKC  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 1:32 pm : link
now owns 17 picks over the next 6 drafts
Also talk that Danny Green  
JonC : 11/16/2020 1:33 pm : link
gets re-routed to PHX.
Next Season  
Pete44 : 11/16/2020 1:34 pm : link
There are going to be some bad teams next season that have been really good for a long time and agreed they are the ones that will hit the lottery, while we will go from 4 to 6 in next year's lottery.
NYK are still playing checkers  
JonC : 11/16/2020 1:35 pm : link
they've got to go outside the family to get someone run basketball ops.
CP3  
31southst : 11/16/2020 1:35 pm : link
I don't have any sense of how much say Paul had but I take it as a good sign that's all it took - the Knicks could have beaten it if they truly wanted to. As it relates to Westbrook, I prefer not getting him at all but there is definitely a difference between more or less taking him as a salary dump vs. giving up real assets. This leads me to believe the latter path is less likely (and hopefully moot).
RE: NYK are still playing checkers  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 1:36 pm : link
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they've got to go outside the family to get someone run basketball ops.


What? They just hired someone "outside the family" and he has made 0 moves so far other than hiring Thibs.
Sorry I missed the hire  
JonC : 11/16/2020 1:37 pm : link
the talk of trading for Westbrook now, doesn't make a ton of sense for NYK.
RE: Sorry I missed the hire  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15047828 JonC said:
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the talk of trading for Westbrook now, doesn't make a ton of sense for NYK.


Yeah no arguments here. Hopefully it's just connecting the dots to prior dumb Knick moves. It is admittedly very on brand for this franchise.
I'd be perfectly happy to pick Devin Vassell  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2020 1:42 pm : link
The kid can really shoot and play defense and is 100% a high motor guy. Somewhat limited ceiling as he's not a plus athlete and doesn't really get to the hoop, but I feel good about his ability to be a contributor for a good team. FSU players are usually pretty tough too.
Kira had been linked to Phoenix at #10, so that's off the table now.  
bceagle05 : 11/16/2020 1:43 pm : link
Maybe it gives the Knicks more reason to move down? Vassell or Okoro certainly wouldn't keep me from doing it. Wait to see if anyone drops (Hayes/Toppin) and hopefully move down while you're on the clock.
RE: Kira had been linked to Phoenix at #10, so that's off the table now.  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15047842 bceagle05 said:
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Maybe it gives the Knicks more reason to move down? Vassell or Okoro certainly wouldn't keep me from doing it. Wait to see if anyone drops (Hayes/Toppin) and hopefully move down while you're on the clock.


Eh, I'm not so sure. Paul's 35. They'll need another PG either way.
That said, I'm fine with Vassell, too.  
bceagle05 : 11/16/2020 1:43 pm : link
Safe bet to be a good player.
RE: NYK are still playing checkers  
NYG22 : 11/16/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15047821 JonC said:
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they've got to go outside the family to get someone run basketball ops.


They've done exactly that. How could you possibly comment on them "playing checkers" when the new regime's tenure (for all intents and purposes) hasn't started yet?
They just desperately need SOMEONE who can shoot  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2020 1:46 pm : link
Whether they get that guy in the draft or free agency, I don't care, but I don't think I can take another year filled with 5-26 3pt shooting nights.
Relax  
JonC : 11/16/2020 1:46 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 1:47 pm : link
NBA Central
@TheNBACentral
Report: Oklahoma City Thunder expected to 'explore' trading Steven Adams
RE: They just desperately need SOMEONE who can shoot  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15047857 Greg from LI said:
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Whether they get that guy in the draft or free agency, I don't care, but I don't think I can take another year filled with 5-26 3pt shooting nights.


I know I don't need to tell you this, but there's no question that having RJ limits what you can do with the pieces around him. You just can't have a non shooter at PG or SG or else the spacing is completely fucked.
RE: RE: NYK are still playing checkers  
widmerseyebrow : 11/16/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15047850 NYG22 said:
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They've done exactly that. How could you possibly comment on them "playing checkers" when the new regime's tenure (for all intents and purposes) hasn't started yet?


To be fair, virtually any other year you could pop in and say they're playing checkers and you'd be right.
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NYG22 : 11/16/2020 1:57 pm : link
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They've done exactly that. How could you possibly comment on them "playing checkers" when the new regime's tenure (for all intents and purposes) hasn't started yet?



To be fair, virtually any other year you could pop in and say they're playing checkers and you'd be right.


Absolutely, but in this case, its also fair to be encouraged by the FO they've assembled. As I said in the OP, that optimism would disappear for me with a Westbrook acquisition.
Why Jon, whatever do you mean by that?  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2020 2:00 pm : link
Heh.

But yeah, this was the biggest reason for my concern about Barrett in the first place.
RE: They just desperately need SOMEONE who can shoot  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/16/2020 2:18 pm : link
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Whether they get that guy in the draft or free agency, I don't care, but I don't think I can take another year filled with 5-26 3pt shooting nights.


Tim Hardaway Jr hasn't opted in yet.
I wonder  
NYG22 : 11/16/2020 2:35 pm : link
what the odds are of (former UK Wildcats) Rajon Rondo or Boogie Cousins signing w NYK
RE: I wonder  
UGADawgs7 : 11/16/2020 2:37 pm : link
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what the odds are of (former UK Wildcats) Rajon Rondo or Boogie Cousins signing w NYK

Kenny Payne is such a big hire and can turn out very big for former Cats wanting to continue to play for him. He was so loved by Kentucky and talks did happen about if Cal left for NBA that they’d love to promote him.
Rondo is 35 and can't shoot to save his life  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2020 2:39 pm : link
Just the tonic for what ails the Knicks!
Rondo was at UK prior to  
Strahan91 : 11/16/2020 2:39 pm : link
the Calipari days
RE: Rondo is 35 and can't shoot to save his life  
NYG22 : 11/16/2020 2:45 pm : link
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Just the tonic for what ails the Knicks!


I don't love the idea bit if we get Kira Lewis, Rondo would be a solid backup and mentor and perhaps be a trade asset at the deadline.
Shooters  
Pete44 : 11/16/2020 2:46 pm : link
Anybody we sign or draft needs to be able to shoot. We have Mitch and RJ as our building blocks and neither can shoot. Knox has a great looking shot, but will it ever translate in the game.

It is why I have been hot on Lewis and Nesmith since May.
.  
Strahan91 : 11/16/2020 2:48 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Rockets star James Harden wants to be on a contender elsewhere, and Brooklyn and Philadelphia are believed to be his top desired trade destinations, sources tell
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@Stadium
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Houston is fully comfortable keeping Harden and Russell Westbrook into the season.
Some good news:  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 2:48 pm : link
@ShamsCharania
Rockets star James Harden wants to be on a contender elsewhere, and Brooklyn and Philadelphia are believed to be his top desired trade destinations, sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA


Houston is fully comfortable keeping Harden and Russell Westbrook into the season.
Translation:  
bceagle05 : 11/16/2020 2:56 pm : link
We're not taking the Nets' middling role players.
Rondo  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 3:08 pm : link
Will end up with LAC
Rondo  
Pete44 : 11/16/2020 3:37 pm : link
is a horrible fit for the Knicks.

I think he ends up in Philly with Doc.

Harden will get himself traded, but Houston will get the best deal and the Nets don't come close to Boston, Miami, Denver or even Portland in terms of packages.

The only way the Nets should be in the conversation is if they offer Kyrie. Houston wants an all star player (CJ McCollum) or young developing player (Michael Porter or Jaylen Brown) type.
,  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 3:41 pm : link
SNY
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."
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Pete44 : 11/16/2020 3:59 pm : link
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SNY
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."



Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back

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nygiants16 : 11/16/2020 4:03 pm : link
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SNY
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."




Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back


No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players
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Pete44 : 11/16/2020 4:06 pm : link
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SNY
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."




Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back




No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players



Who says they still won't. I will not feel relaxed about this until Westbrook is safely on another team like Charlotte.
RE: Some good news:  
jestersdead : 11/16/2020 4:07 pm : link
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@ShamsCharania
Rockets star James Harden wants to be on a contender elsewhere, and Brooklyn and Philadelphia are believed to be his top desired trade destinations, sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA


Houston is fully comfortable keeping Harden and Russell Westbrook into the season.

Would Philly give up Simmons to land Harden?
RW  
NYG22 : 11/16/2020 4:10 pm : link
Even though many of us HATE the idea of a Westbrook acquisition, let's try to imagine how this would play out.

I envision it being Randle, DSJ and one of the Dallas 1s for Westbrook. If that is the case, how would you feel about the likelihood of:

PG: RW, Malachi Flynn at 27, Jared Harper

SG: RJB, Ntilikina, Reggie Bullock

SF: Devin Vassell at 8, Knox, Iggy

PF: Christian Wood via FA 3 years @ 17.5mm per, Kenny Wooten, , Robert Woodard (a fav of mine at 38)

C: Mitchell Robinson, Taj Gibson, WCS on a cheap one year deal
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nygiants16 : 11/16/2020 4:10 pm : link
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SNY
@SNYtv
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."




Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back




No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players




Who says they still won't. I will not feel relaxed about this until Westbrook is safely on another team like Charlotte.


what are your sources saying?
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Pete44 : 11/16/2020 4:29 pm : link
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SNY
@SNYtv
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"There are certainly people in the organization who feel Westbrook can help the Knicks in the same way that Paul could - building a winning culture, helping the young Knicks."




Steve Mills and Isiah Thomas are back




No they would trade multiple draft pocks and young players




Who says they still won't. I will not feel relaxed about this until Westbrook is safely on another team like Charlotte.



what are your sources saying?


My sources are not saying much on Westbrook. There seems to be some mixed info, where some buzz is that the Knicks really want him and other buzz, where they would only take him as a salary dump. There was a rumor today that Charlotte is offering the #3 pick for him, that would just be dumb, but who knows.

The main thing I have gotten today is that Devin Vassell looks like the pick at 8, unless Tobin falls or they trade down. An outside shot on Okoro and Lewis. Tobin is actually the guy they love.
Really  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 4:36 pm : link
curious who they'd go with if Hayes and Vassell were both on the board.

Also my take on someone who will fall: Tyrese Haliburton. The Knicks don't like him and I think he's going to end up going early teens.
RE: Really  
UGADawgs7 : 11/16/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15048158 Jon in NYC said:
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curious who they'd go with if Hayes and Vassell were both on the board.

Also my take on someone who will fall: Tyrese Haliburton. The Knicks don't like him and I think he's going to end up going early teens.

Vassell could be a terrible pick. Knicks need a good guard or SF/PF. Don’t see him as being that good.
RE: Really  
Strahan91 : 11/16/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15048158 Jon in NYC said:
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curious who they'd go with if Hayes and Vassell were both on the board.

It does seem like it's going to come down to that decision on draft night.
Jerami Grant is officially  
Strahan91 : 11/16/2020 5:10 pm : link
declining his player option. Depending on the price, I'd be very interested in bringing him into the fold.
Knicks need someone who can shoot  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2020 5:18 pm : link
And Vassell can absolutely shoot
Begs' view  
Spider43 : 11/16/2020 5:30 pm : link
I'm good with Vassell, or one of the points (Hayes, Halliburton, Lewis).

Link - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 5:40 pm : link
NBA Central
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Gordon Hayward is reportedly undecided on picking up his $34.1M player option, per @Murf56


"All I can say is that a lot of people want him."
He'd be a fool to opt  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 5:42 pm : link
out. He's not getting 34 mil from anyone and certainly not from a winning team.
RE: He'd be a fool to opt  
nygiants16 : 11/16/2020 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15048260 Jon in NYC said:
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out. He's not getting 34 mil from anyone and certainly not from a winning team.


unless he wants a long term deal for less money?
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