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NYG22 : 11/16/2020 8:32 am
Rumor that seems reliable: OKC to send Dennis Schroeder to LAL for Danny Green's corpse and the 28th overall pick.

One would assume that this means Rajon Rondo (FA) will not return. Note that he went to UK and you'll see a pronounced roster shift (or assumption of a shift) to it being UK strong.

Rumor that seems unreliable: James Harden to Nets for Lavert, Dinwiddie, Allen and perhaps draft compensation.

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Holiday is a player that  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/17/2020 10:51 am : link
almost everyone likes. But trading potentially 5 picks for a 30 year old non-All Star is one hell of a risky move. With Holiday and Bogdan, they definitely upgraded the starting lineup but their depth is pathetic. They really need to have a good FA to round out the roster. Budenholzer will also need to adjust his deep rotations.
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Anakim : 11/17/2020 10:52 am : link
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Jonathan Wasserman
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Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand.

Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board.


So guys who very well could be off the board:

1) Lamelo
2) Edwards
3) Pat Williams
4) Tyrese Haliburton
5) Okongwu


So one of Wiseman, Avdija and Toppin would fall to us
Yeah  
Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 10:53 am : link
everyone seems to love this for the Bucks but it's a hell of a risk for a very good but not great player. If Giannis still bolts you've basically solidified yourselves as bottom dwellers for a decade.
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Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 10:54 am : link
In comment 15048876 Anakim said:
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Jonathan Wasserman
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Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand.

Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board.



So guys who very well could be off the board:

1) Lamelo
2) Edwards
3) Pat Williams
4) Tyrese Haliburton
5) Okongwu


So one of Wiseman, Avdija and Toppin would fall to us


Wiseman isn't falling out of the top 3, but I could see Avidja and Toppin dropping to 8.
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 10:59 am : link
(Youtube highlight video opinion coming....) I'd be very interested in Madar at 38
RE: Yeah  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 15048878 Jon in NYC said:
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everyone seems to love this for the Bucks but it's a hell of a risk for a very good but not great player. If Giannis still bolts you've basically solidified yourselves as bottom dwellers for a decade.


they had to of gotten a guarantee from Giannis before doing this deal
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nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 15048876 Anakim said:
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Jonathan Wasserman
@NBADraftWass
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Smoke with Patrick Williams getting out of hand.

Teams talking about Chicago eyeing Williams at 4, Pistons possibly making a promise at 7. Though still not sold Detroit passes on Haliburton if he's there. Okongwu going top 6 pushes someone down the board.



So guys who very well could be off the board:

1) Lamelo
2) Edwards
3) Pat Williams
4) Tyrese Haliburton
5) Okongwu


So one of Wiseman, Avdija and Toppin would fall to us


Wiseman will go 3 if he is there, Williams 4, toppin 5
Gotta say I don't get the big deal about Patrick Williams  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2020 11:04 am : link
Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.
I think part of that Bucks  
Enzo : 11/17/2020 11:05 am : link
deal was that teams around the league may have viewed Hill and/or Blesoe as negative value players given their contracts. If that's the case, you usually have to pay with picks to unload the deals.
I hadn't really  
Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 11:10 am : link
considered it because he didn't seem like an option to fall, but Avidja could be an interesting fit as a 3/4 playmaker.
Knicks  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 11:12 am : link
At 8 still can get a very solid player if they don’t move up, I’m still not incredibly sold on Vassell though. Also think they do need to find there PG if they love one of them at 8, but shouldn’t force a trade to take Lamelo. I don’t know if he is the answer... if Hayes is there at 8, and many say he’s a top prospect in this draft, wouldn’t pass on him. He does seem to play good defense as well but wouldn’t force that pick.
RE: Gotta say I don't get the big deal about Patrick Williams  
NYG22 : 11/17/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 15048892 Greg from LI said:
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Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.


I totally agree. I see him and think, if everything hits right he could be Onunoby in 3-4 years. I mean, Onunoby is a nice role player and the kind of guy that is en vogue these days, but not the kind of guy I'd draft top 5.
RE: RE: Gotta say I don't get the big deal about Patrick Williams  
Anakim : 11/17/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 15048913 NYG22 said:
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Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.



I totally agree. I see him and think, if everything hits right he could be Onunoby in 3-4 years. I mean, Onunoby is a nice role player and the kind of guy that is en vogue these days, but not the kind of guy I'd draft top 5.


IDK, OG is a lockdown defender. He's one of the best defensive players in the NBA.
Bucks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/17/2020 11:56 am : link
Top 5 will be-

Giannis
Middleton
Holiday
Bodganovic
Robin or Brook Lopez

Is that improved? Definitely and Bledsoe had to go given his playoff struggles. But to me they are paying a massive amount between Dante, the picks and the swaps while taking on a huge risk.

I wonder if they pursued Chris Paul. Definitely older and probably bigger injury risk, but I think hes better and could help them more. Would have cost less too. I'm also curious if Bledsoe becomes available on the cheap. Wouldn't mind the Knicks pursuing him.
Trade proposals from ESPN  
TyreeHelmet : 11/17/2020 12:19 pm : link
Huge lottery swap for Warriors and Knicks
Golden State Warriors get: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick in 2020

New York Knicks get: No. 2 pick in 2020


Houston Rockets get: Jarrett Allen, Spencer Dinwiddie, Rodions Kurucs, Caris LeVert, No. 19 pick in 2020, 2021 swap, 2024 first-round pick, 2025 swap

Brooklyn Nets get: James Harden, Ben McLemore

Some absurd trades on here but these 2 jumped out. Unless the Knicks are truly in love with a guy at 2, why on earth are they doing this trade? Ja Morant isn't exactly sitting at 2nd overall..

And why would Houston do this move? I know Levert and others are involved, but your telling me the Rockets can only get a late 2020 1st and a 2024 1st for Harden? Come on.
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RE: Trade proposals from ESPN  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15048972 TyreeHelmet said:
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Huge lottery swap for Warriors and Knicks
Golden State Warriors get: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick in 2020

New York Knicks get: No. 2 pick in 2020


Houston Rockets get: Jarrett Allen, Spencer Dinwiddie, Rodions Kurucs, Caris LeVert, No. 19 pick in 2020, 2021 swap, 2024 first-round pick, 2025 swap

Brooklyn Nets get: James Harden, Ben McLemore

Some absurd trades on here but these 2 jumped out. Unless the Knicks are truly in love with a guy at 2, why on earth are they doing this trade? Ja Morant isn't exactly sitting at 2nd overall..

And why would Houston do this move? I know Levert and others are involved, but your telling me the Rockets can only get a late 2020 1st and a 2024 1st for Harden? Come on. ESPN - ( New Window )


If NYK are in love with Wiseman over Robinson, it could make sense. Also supposedly there were issues with Robinson and contract? Anthony Edwards can be very good, but this type of trade should only be done if it’s a sure PG that NYK have been needing for years. They still have a late first, maybe can move that with someone else for a mid first and get someone else in that 12-17 range?
Ainge  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 12:25 pm : link
apparently shopped Walker HARD to to and land Holiday
Kemba  
Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 12:40 pm : link
was awful in the playoffs. Not a surprise they tried to upgrade there.
giving up a piece like Mitch  
bigbluehoya : 11/17/2020 12:59 pm : link
to slide up in a balanced and weak-ish lottery class would be a poor decision for a team with a roster as bad as NYK, IMO.

If you told me that you want to trade Mitch+ (some stuff not including #8) to acquire the #2, that could make some sense.
Marc Stein says  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 1:13 pm : link
Hornets and Knicks only 2 teams interested in Westbrook, with "caveats"
Westbrick and a CAA draft might be the end for me  
ghost718 : 11/17/2020 1:16 pm : link
In fact,I know it will
RE: Kemba  
Bill L : 11/17/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15048995 Jon in NYC said:
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was awful in the playoffs. Not a surprise they tried to upgrade there.

I don't know if he ever really got healthy. Also, might be first time jitters.
I'm not opposed to trading Mitch and #8 to move up  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 1:21 pm : link
if it's for Ball. The Knicks desperately need building blocks who can develop into stars. If they feel like Ball is that (and by 'they' I mean Walt Perrin), then by all means go get your guy.

It's very risky but if there's strong conviction then I'd rather them go after the guy they want rather than sit there and draft Jordan Hill.
If the Knicks want to pluck Westbrook off the discount pile, I'm ok  
Heisenberg : 11/17/2020 1:25 pm : link
with it. I think the positives outweigh the negatives but I can see the other side of that. Either way it plays out,
I'm just really glad that they are for once not making big moves just for the sake of them.

I kinda feel like the Hornets will probably be more desperate than the Knicks for Westbrook. We'll see.
I don't think there's anyone in this draft  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2020 1:29 pm : link
that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class.
I love  
Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 1:31 pm : link
Mitch, but the contract is going to be an issue, soon. Im not opposed to moving him if the right opportunity presents itself.
Sure, I don't think he's an untouchable or anything  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2020 1:32 pm : link
But I don't see the value in moving up in this draft. Maybe #1 overall to get Ball, though I don't know he's a sure star, but that's about it.
Trading for Westbrook would  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 1:37 pm : link
be so insanely stupid.
RE: I don't think there's anyone in this draft  
TyreeHelmet : 11/17/2020 1:38 pm : link
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that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class.


Agreed. No one on this roster is even close to untouchable, but thats too much to give up to get to 2.

I'm still hoping the Knicks draft Hayes. I wonder if he's there at 6 if there is a trade up with Atlanta as a possibility.
Next year's draft is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 1:41 pm : link
apparently loaded.
Robinson  
Carl in CT : 11/17/2020 1:42 pm : link
For #2? OK. Not Robinson + #8.
Hayes  
Carl in CT : 11/17/2020 1:42 pm : link
Is a nice player who can’t shoot.
RE: RE: I don't think there's anyone in this draft  
Stu11 : 11/17/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15049067 TyreeHelmet said:
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that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class.



Agreed. No one on this roster is even close to untouchable, but thats too much to give up to get to 2.

I'm still hoping the Knicks draft Hayes. I wonder if he's there at 6 if there is a trade up with Atlanta as a possibility.

Yeah I'm on the Hayesbbandwagon or Lewis. This team so desperately needs a lead guard. I'm not doubting the talent of Okuru but how do you stick another wing guy next to when they both can't shoot past 10-15 feet? Cassel can shoot, I just didn't see him that much so I can't really comment as much but I just think this team needs a lead guard or a 2 guard that is a bonafide NBA 3 point marksman and can eventually score about 20 a night.
RE: Next year's draft is  
TyreeHelmet : 11/17/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15049071 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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apparently loaded.


Very very doubtful, but have to hope Dallas falls back next year out of the playoffs and into the lottery. Long shot though.

Would also love the Knicks to trade back or even out of the 8th spot if it got them a another pick possibly in the lottery next year.
RE: Gotta say I don't get the big deal about Patrick Williams  
KDavies : 11/17/2020 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15048892 Greg from LI said:
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Might just be which games I saw him in last season, but nothing about him ever really stood out that much to me.


Played 22 minutes as a freshman. Shooting was 46/32/84. Averaged a steal and a block a game. It's a pretty weak draft, and could be seen as an upside play. Bulls are rumored to love him. They do have Karnisovas now, who was instrumental in bringing in Jokic, Murray, and Porter.
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Stu11 : 11/17/2020 1:54 pm : link
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that I would want to give up Robinson to move up for. It's just not an impressive draft class.



Agreed. No one on this roster is even close to untouchable, but thats too much to give up to get to 2.

I'm still hoping the Knicks draft Hayes. I wonder if he's there at 6 if there is a trade up with Atlanta as a possibility.


Yeah I'm on the Hayesbbandwagon or Lewis. This team so desperately needs a lead guard. I'm not doubting the talent of Okuru but how do you stick another wing guy next to when they both can't shoot past 10-15 feet? Cassel can shoot, I just didn't see him that much so I can't really comment as much but I just think this team needs a lead guard or a 2 guard that is a bonafide NBA 3 point marksman and can eventually score about 20 a night.

Meant to say next to RJ...and meant Vassel not Cassel
I like Mitch quite a lot but I'd be lying if I said there weren't some  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 1:58 pm : link
things that worry me about him reaching his ceiling. There is of course his decision not to show up for the Thibs workouts and the potential for his contract situation to create issues, but more importantly he has what appears to be really low bball IQ/intelligence and a less than serious attitude. Both are a little worrisome to me.
NYK cannot afford  
NYG22 : 11/17/2020 2:33 pm : link
to trade two young assets for one. This draft needs to yield a 3rd player to add to Mitch and RJB.

Two reasons:

1 there are no projections for there being superstars at the top of this draft

2 When you draft guys that are busts (to this point) like Ntilikina and Knox and have nothing else positive going on, you need to establish a foundation.
Any interest in Lonzo instead of Lamelo?  
Heisenberg : 11/17/2020 3:10 pm : link
Begley noting that the Pelicans have a lot of PG now and have a lot of interest in a PG projected to go in the lottery. Maybe they trade a PG to trade up to 8? And if they want to trade up to get PG, maybe they don't like Ball.
Anthony Puccio claims  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 3:21 pm : link
Rockets and Nets have verbal agreement on a Harden deal
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Anakim : 11/17/2020 3:26 pm : link
Jonathan Wasserman
@NBADraftWass
Draft rumor making the rounds: Speculation that Isaiah Joe has a promise from the 76ers, either at 21 or 34.
RE: Anthony Puccio claims  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15049167 nygiants16 said:
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Rockets and Nets have verbal agreement on a Harden deal

I don't know who that is but this would be quite a fast turnaround from Woj saying the Rockets and Nets hadn't had any serious discussions as recent as this morning.
RE: RE: Anthony Puccio claims  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15049177 Strahan91 said:
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Rockets and Nets have verbal agreement on a Harden deal


I don't know who that is but this would be quite a fast turnaround from Woj saying the Rockets and Nets hadn't had any serious discussions as recent as this morning.


he runs netsdaily i think
It would appear that Boston is up to something  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 3:40 pm : link
Zach Lowe
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Gordon Hayward and the Celtics are working to extend the deadline on Hayward to decide on his $34.2 million player option for the 2020-21 season from today at 5 p.m. to Thursday afternoon, league sources tell ESPN.
if this happens  
hitdog42 : 11/17/2020 3:41 pm : link
i will pretend to be excited--- but not be...
depth would be gutted. levert and allen reaching potential with healthy kd and kyrie and depth would be enough to compete for the next 5 yrs.
now they still would need health, but have no depth, and the style of play- ugh painful.


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RE: It would appear that Boston is up to something  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15049191 Strahan91 said:
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Zach Lowe
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Gordon Hayward and the Celtics are working to extend the deadline on Hayward to decide on his $34.2 million player option for the 2020-21 season from today at 5 p.m. to Thursday afternoon, league sources tell ESPN.


So if Hayward signs it before the draft, in theory they could trade him at the draft. Are they possibly looking to extend him to say 3 years at $75M to save $9M this year? What could it mean?
re: Hayward, I think it has to do with a potential trade  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 3:52 pm : link
partner in which he'd opt-in
RE: if this happens  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/17/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15049193 hitdog42 said:
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i will pretend to be excited--- but not be...
depth would be gutted. levert and allen reaching potential with healthy kd and kyrie and depth would be enough to compete for the next 5 yrs.
now they still would need health, but have no depth, and the style of play- ugh painful.
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It seems like "Harden to the Nets" is really picking up steam these last couple of hours. Ugh, I was hoping he would go to the Sixers but there are reports Fertitta's petty ass doesn't want to give him to Morey at all so he'll take a lesser deal with the Nets.

Considering what Jrue Holiday got, the Rockets better receive every other Nets first round pick for the rest of the decade. Dinwiddie and Levert are OK but nothing special.

It's going to be fascinating to see Kyrie and Harden play together. Especially if Durant doesn't get back to the level he was at before the injury. That team is going to have explosive potential, both good and bad. IMO, if this move goes down then I think Ibaka will be coming to Brooklyn as well which would be big.
It's truly incredible how much power these players have.  
bceagle05 : 11/17/2020 4:10 pm : link
Unlimited power. Harden wakes up one morning and decides he wants to go play in Brooklyn, and it's just assumed Houston has to move heaven and earth to make it happen. A player for whom they have bent over backwards to accommodate, and who has delivered them nothing in the way of championships or Finals appearances. Houston could probably get Simmons from Philly, Porter Jr. from Denver, McCollum from Portland, Brown/Kemba/assets from Boston - but no, they have to settle for the Nets' role players. End rant.
This may end up happening but there's no way the original  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 4:12 pm : link
tweet that there's a verbal agreement is true. That was an hour ago, does anyone really think Woj is getting scooped by a full hour and counting? Maybe a few minutes...
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