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NYG22 : 11/16/2020 8:32 am
Rumor that seems reliable: OKC to send Dennis Schroeder to LAL for Danny Green's corpse and the 28th overall pick.

One would assume that this means Rajon Rondo (FA) will not return. Note that he went to UK and you'll see a pronounced roster shift (or assumption of a shift) to it being UK strong.

Rumor that seems unreliable: James Harden to Nets for Lavert, Dinwiddie, Allen and perhaps draft compensation.

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RE: This may end up happening but there's no way the original  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15049224 Strahan91 said:
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tweet that there's a verbal agreement is true. That was an hour ago, does anyone really think Woj is getting scooped by a full hour and counting? Maybe a few minutes...


The guy apparently has a source close to Irving, take FWIW
Kevin O'Connor did say  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 4:20 pm : link
earlier today that the Nets are throwing everything but KD and Durant at the Rockets including all future picks, all pick swaps plus the players already mentioned. I believe that's 4 firsts and 3 pick swaps over the next 7 years.
if it's confirmed that the Sixers  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/17/2020 4:25 pm : link
offered Ben Simmons + picks but the Rockets chose Levert/Dinwiddie + picks instead because Fertitta doesn't want to help Morey, then I might just quit being a Rockets fan. It's incredible how shitty an owner this guy is, all of this BS is happening because he forced Morey into trading CP3 for Westbrook. I'm so close to being done with the team until he's forced to sell them. I'm gonna start rooting for the Knicks because they have better ownership.
RE: if it's confirmed that the Sixers  
bceagle05 : 11/17/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15049234 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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offered Ben Simmons + picks but the Rockets chose Levert/Dinwiddie + picks instead because Fertitta doesn't want to help Morey, then I might just quit being a Rockets fan. It's incredible how shitty an owner this guy is, all of this BS is happening because he forced Morey into trading CP3 for Westbrook. I'm so close to being done with the team until he's forced to sell them. I'm gonna start rooting for the Knicks because they have better ownership.

I don't blame you. Why would the owner be that spiteful to Morey but NOT to Harden? Tell Harden the Nets don't have the All-Star player we want so give us five other teams you could live with and we'll do our best.
'I'd  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 4:30 pm : link
be interested

James Edwards III
@JLEdwardsIII
The #Pistons will not extend a qualifying offer to two-way guard Jordan Bone, making him an unrestricted free agent, his agent Colin Bryant tells The Athletic.
i said this yesterday...  
Italianju : 11/17/2020 4:32 pm : link
i get why BKN makes the move, but i dont think its a smart move. I mean it would be smart if they traded irving for Harden (I know they wont do this) but to add Harden to Irving and KD doesnt really make sense. All 3 of those guys best skill (By far) is scoring. So it becomes a bit redundant. Plus Kyrie should be the way to take a major backseat (he is the least efficient) yet i feel like he is the one least likely to take the bosh role, ha.

Again i get why you do this if you are BKN, im just not sure they would be better after this trade.
Jordan  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 4:32 pm : link
Bone
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Westbrook  
31southst : 11/17/2020 4:35 pm : link
Stein saying Knicks wouldn't offer much (Randle, DSJ, Mavs first tops) if they are interested at all.
RE: RE: if it's confirmed that the Sixers  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/17/2020 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15049239 bceagle05 said:
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offered Ben Simmons + picks but the Rockets chose Levert/Dinwiddie + picks instead because Fertitta doesn't want to help Morey, then I might just quit being a Rockets fan. It's incredible how shitty an owner this guy is, all of this BS is happening because he forced Morey into trading CP3 for Westbrook. I'm so close to being done with the team until he's forced to sell them. I'm gonna start rooting for the Knicks because they have better ownership.


I don't blame you. Why would the owner be that spiteful to Morey but NOT to Harden? Tell Harden the Nets don't have the All-Star player we want so give us five other teams you could live with and we'll do our best.


Yea, that's what they should do. But it's also about Owners/FO's maintaining good relationships with agents. Harden has carried the Rockets more than any player has carried one franchise over the last 8 years. So I really don't even feel that angry about Harden asking out. If the potential offers are roughly the same, I have no issue with sending him to the Nets even if it's slightly worse than another deal if that's where he wants to go. But if there's a big difference (like Simmons vs. Levert/Dinwiddie), then you take the better offer regardless of what the star you're trading away wants.
Heck of a gamble  
ghost718 : 11/17/2020 4:40 pm : link
7 years of picks and swapping

These guys are flaky,in particular Irving,and he's the ring leader.If this doesn't work out,he could wake up in a year and half and decide he's gonna retire,than buy LaMelo Ball's Australian Globetrotter team.
RE: Bucks  
Section331 : 11/17/2020 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15048946 TyreeHelmet said:
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Top 5 will be-

Giannis
Middleton
Holiday
Bodganovic
Robin or Brook Lopez

Is that improved? Definitely and Bledsoe had to go given his playoff struggles. But to me they are paying a massive amount between Dante, the picks and the swaps while taking on a huge risk.

I wonder if they pursued Chris Paul. Definitely older and probably bigger injury risk, but I think hes better and could help them more. Would have cost less too. I'm also curious if Bledsoe becomes available on the cheap. Wouldn't mind the Knicks pursuing him.


Jrue Holiday is a huge upgrade, and Bogdonovic would have been their 3rd best player this past year. They did give up a lot, but it's peanuts if they resign Giannis.
hitdog and italianju - completely agree  
Eric on Li : 11/17/2020 4:42 pm : link
if they get Harden they are a contender and it's understandable but I'm not really rooting for it. Same as Kyrie last year but worse because it's going to cost more than just letting DLo walk elsewhere. They had (and hopefully have?) a chance to build something that could evolve post-KD to be more like the Spurs model. That was what I was hoping the goal would be more than just grabbing ring chasers when timing worked out.

I suppose you could say that Riley has just as good of a model and that he has both built a winning org and accommodated ring chasing to multiple titles, but going all in on 31yo Harden, post-surgery KD, and Irving, and mortgaging all the younger players who could have been part of the post-KD world seems antithetical to sustainable success.
RE: RE: RE: if it's confirmed that the Sixers  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15049253 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Yea, that's what they should do. But it's also about Owners/FO's maintaining good relationships with agents. Harden has carried the Rockets more than any player has carried one franchise over the last 8 years. So I really don't even feel that angry about Harden asking out. If the potential offers are roughly the same, I have no issue with sending him to the Nets even if it's slightly worse than another deal if that's where he wants to go. But if there's a big difference (like Simmons vs. Levert/Dinwiddie), then you take the better offer regardless of what the star you're trading away wants.

I don't believe that's true about maintaining good relationship with agents. Agents know it's a business. When players are sent to their preferred destination it's because the preferred destination has the best offer on the table (either because they have the assets or because they have a year left on their deal and make it known they won't resign anywhere). Neither of these factors are the case here.
kevin oconnor  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 4:44 pm : link
Knicks interested in Hayward
Fertitta is apparently  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 4:47 pm : link
hellbent on lowering payroll
Per Stein's NYT Newsletter  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 4:47 pm : link
The Hornets and Knicks are the only teams even entertaining the idea of Westbrook. Hornets it sounds like would be interested if they didn't land LaMelo Ball tomorrow night (although it's murky if that's the case). There's not an internal agreement within the Knicks brass on acquiring Westbrook and it seems that if they did decide to make an offer it would be Randle, DSJ and maybe a projected late first from the Mavs (I assume this means the protected 1 but wasn't clear). Still, putting that offer on the table isn't a given either.

Also, if there is an agreement or a deal is close between the Nets and Rockets he didn't get the memo. He discusses Harden's situation but no mention of that.
RE: Per Stein's NYT Newsletter  
Anakim : 11/17/2020 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15049266 Strahan91 said:
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The Hornets and Knicks are the only teams even entertaining the idea of Westbrook. Hornets it sounds like would be interested if they didn't land LaMelo Ball tomorrow night (although it's murky if that's the case). There's not an internal agreement within the Knicks brass on acquiring Westbrook and it seems that if they did decide to make an offer it would be Randle, DSJ and maybe a projected late first from the Mavs (I assume this means the protected 1 but wasn't clear). Still, putting that offer on the table isn't a given either.

Also, if there is an agreement or a deal is close between the Nets and Rockets he didn't get the memo. He discusses Harden's situation but no mention of that.


LOL. Michael Jordan and Lavar Ball involved with the Hornets would be somethin'
Osi...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 4:53 pm : link
Nothing worse than awful owners. Nothing.
RE: kevin oconnor  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks interested in Hayward


Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA
RE: Fertitta is apparently  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/17/2020 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15049264 nygiants16 said:
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hellbent on lowering payroll


There were questions about his financial stability when he bought the team, Rockets fans were already worried he would be cheap. But since his businesses (casinos, restaurants, hotels, etc.) have been particularly destroyed due to COVID, he is in terrible shape right now.

He's also made his 25 year old son Patrick one of the big decision makers in the Rockets front office. So his shittiness goes beyond being broke.
RE: RE: kevin oconnor  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15049272 UGADawgs7 said:
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Knicks interested in Hayward



Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA


Since he has agreed to push off the opt in date it tells me they are working together to get a deal
RE: RE: Fertitta is apparently  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15049273 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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hellbent on lowering payroll



There were questions about his financial stability when he bought the team, Rockets fans were already worried he would be cheap. But since his businesses (casinos, restaurants, hotels, etc.) have been particularly destroyed due to COVID, he is in terrible shape right now.

He's also made his 25 year old son Patrick one of the big decision makers in the Rockets front office. So his shittiness goes beyond being broke.

The Athletic article I believe nygiants16 is referencing said that some of their moves that were sold as "revolutionizing the game" like the Capela trade were actually made to lower payroll and avoid paying the luxury tax.
RE: RE: RE: kevin oconnor  
bigbluehoya : 11/17/2020 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15049277 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said:


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Knicks interested in Hayward



Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA



Since he has agreed to push off the opt in date it tells me they are working together to get a deal


how do you view this in terms of trade value, though? Is the writing on the wall that he intends to opt in for financial reasons, and the celtics would prefer to have him off the payroll? So if you're the trade partner, are you doing Boston a favor?

1 year at $34M seems pretty well above market. So is this a dump that Boston should be attaching another asset to in order to get off the hook? If so, this is exactly the type of thing the Knicks should be diving into.
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nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15049281 Strahan91 said:
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hellbent on lowering payroll



There were questions about his financial stability when he bought the team, Rockets fans were already worried he would be cheap. But since his businesses (casinos, restaurants, hotels, etc.) have been particularly destroyed due to COVID, he is in terrible shape right now.

He's also made his 25 year old son Patrick one of the big decision makers in the Rockets front office. So his shittiness goes beyond being broke.


The Athletic article I believe nygiants16 is referencing said that some of their moves that were sold as "revolutionizing the game" like the Capela trade were actually made to lower payroll and avoid paying the luxury tax.


I just saw a blurb on realgm saying he wants to cut payroll because he lost money durong the pandemic
RE: RE: RE: RE: kevin oconnor  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15049286 bigbluehoya said:
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Knicks interested in Hayward



Could this be why they are holding off on Hayward accepting the offer? If so, how do you trade him if he doesn’t accept isn’t he technically a FA



Since he has agreed to push off the opt in date it tells me they are working together to get a deal



how do you view this in terms of trade value, though? Is the writing on the wall that he intends to opt in for financial reasons, and the celtics would prefer to have him off the payroll? So if you're the trade partner, are you doing Boston a favor?

1 year at $34M seems pretty well above market. So is this a dump that Boston should be attaching another asset to in order to get off the hook? If so, this is exactly the type of thing the Knicks should be diving into.


No idea haha, i really dont know his value..

I would assume thr Knicks would hope they can get 1 of Bostons first rounders this year
Tatum & Brown for  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 5:12 pm : link
Barrett? Who says no?
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 5:36 pm : link
Mike Vorkunov
@MikeVorkunov
The Knicks are “weighing, but resisting" a Russell Westbrook trade, @TheSteinLine
reports. He says the best asset NY would trade to Houston is a future Mavericks pick, but they remain skeptical.
Doubt Boston is going to attach an asset to move Hayward  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 5:42 pm : link
Sounds like there is legitimate interest in him. They probably want to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing .
RE: Doubt Boston is going to attach an asset to move Hayward  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15049325 Strahan91 said:
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Sounds like there is legitimate interest in him. They probably want to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing .


this is the most likely scenario, it sounds like he thinks he can get an offer in free agency and is willing to opt out..
So the knicks are considering Russ...  
Italianju : 11/17/2020 5:53 pm : link
if they get him for nothing. And even then the reporters arent sure. Look Russ for nothing is not the end of the world. Especially if you sign/draft a couple shooters to put with RJ and Russ. I am not saying i want Russ, but for free i can talk myself into at least seeing a team that can win 40 games. Im so tired of watching this team win low 20's. Again not saying i want him, but at least that talk of sending a bunch of assets for him is done.
I dont know if anyone listens  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 5:54 pm : link
but Knicks fan tv will have begely on tonight
rockets and wizards  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 6:01 pm : link
have talked wall for westbrook according to shams
RE: rockets and wizards  
Strahan91 : 11/17/2020 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15049337 nygiants16 said:
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have talked wall for westbrook according to shams

Don't understand this at all. Is this supposed to make Harden happy? Why would Houston take on Wall's contract?
what would the point of that be....  
Italianju : 11/17/2020 6:04 pm : link
especially for HOU. They take the worst salary on the worse player who hasnt played in a year and a half or whatever it is. Unless WAS is throwing in a young player like Brown or a pick or two.
I mean  
Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 6:09 pm : link
shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden?

It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.
RE: what would the point of that be....  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15049340 Italianju said:
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especially for HOU. They take the worst salary on the worse player who hasnt played in a year and a half or whatever it is. Unless WAS is throwing in a young player like Brown or a pick or two.


I guess thenpoint is they would get an asset back, they dont want to trade westbrook for nothing
Incarcerated Bob  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 6:28 pm : link
Tweeted
“Celtics and Nets battling for Harden. Knicks could actually help Boston and take Kemba( if they have interest) and give them some picks to get deal done. — stay tuned

I have no idea how to copy/ paste a Twitter link or screen shot a picture to upload to BBI.
Incarcerated Bob  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 6:29 pm : link
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RE: I mean  
Enzo : 11/17/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 15049345 Jon in NYC said:
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shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden?

It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.

if we're allowing ourselves to get really crazy, we could also take back Gordon for an expiring.
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Jon in NYC : 11/17/2020 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15049355 Enzo said:
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shit, while we're here, why don't we just offer Mitch, 8 and RJ Barrett for Harden?

It's a much better offer than what the Nets are proposing, it helps get the Rockets out of cap hell, and the Knicks have a star to start building around.


if we're allowing ourselves to get really crazy, we could also take back Gordon for an expiring.


Absolutely. Even with those two guys, they'd have some room this offseason for FA additions but would have a full max spot available next year once Randle is off the books.
RE: kevin oconnor  
Enzo : 11/17/2020 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15049259 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks interested in Hayward

if they trade for Westbrook, Hayward would be a decent running mate. Unfortunately they'd still probably be the worst team in the division.
There are reports that  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 6:37 pm : link
anything with Hayward would be a sign and trade, so he would opt out and then get a long term deal..

Could knock down his cap hit
incarcerated bob is still a thing...lol...  
Italianju : 11/17/2020 6:41 pm : link
i like the idea of signing Hayward, but i dont really want to give up much for him.

Ok im not hating the idea of adding Russ and Hayward, lol. I mean:

Russ
Hayward
RJ
??
Mitch

with the #8 pick, and whoever is left of Knox and Frank, and some vet signings. Might battle for the 6 seed in the east, lol.
Now the Cs are in on Harden?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 6:43 pm : link
I have my doubts about that.
Was listening to Lowe/Windy earlier  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 6:44 pm : link
Apparently KD, Kyrie, & Harden are all training together in LA & this is where they hatched the idea to team up together.
i think the only one reporting the C's...  
Italianju : 11/17/2020 6:45 pm : link
is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit.

Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....
I still have my doubts a KD, Kyrie, & Harden trio works.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2020 6:46 pm : link
That's a lot of mouths to feed. Throw in a first year HC...well, it could go off the rails. Or be a complete success. It'd be entertaining as hell to follow.
RE: i think the only one reporting the C's...  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 6:47 pm : link
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is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit.

Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....


weei reported something to, but i dont know if it was a rehash of bob or their own
RE: RE: i think the only one reporting the C's...  
UGADawgs7 : 11/17/2020 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15049371 nygiants16 said:
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is Bob right, and we know he doesnt know shit.

Its starting to feel like we are only days away from a picture of an empty bar stool between Kyrie and KD....



weei reported something to, but i dont know if it was a rehash of bob or their own


Honestly no idea if he is right or not.
Atlanta Hawks in on Hayward  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2020 6:54 pm : link
according to Chris Haynes
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