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Joe Judge loves Daniel Jones.

Blue21 : 11/16/2020 9:03 am
Q: What did you learn from Daniel Jones from this game? He passed so accurately, he made prudent decisions, he was decisive, and he seemed to put it all together in a game you guys needed.

A: I didn't learn anything new about Daniel today. I’ve known that the entire time working with him, and I think we all have internally, that’s why the team has so much confidence in Daniel, that’s why he’s our quarterback. We’re going to play aggressive with Daniel, and he’s done a heck of a job making plays when we need it and making better decisions throughout the season. This guy is a young player who is developing, he’s learning a lot every week. You can see his improvement week to week. Sometimes there’s something you want to get off the tape, and he understands that, and we correct that in practice, working hard. But there’s a lot of games he’s played where maybe there’s a blemish that takes away from the 99% of the really good football he has played. But Daniel continues to be an improving player, he’s a tough dude, mentally and physically, and that spreads throughout our entire team. When he steps into that huddle, there’s 10 guys looking at him knowing he’s going to be the one to give them the answer to the problem on the field.



Judge isn't the type of coach to throw accolades that aren't deserved. He won't throw a player under the bus. No. But you know he's honest. He loves this kid as his QB. He has said it over and over since the beginning of the season. I know many on here aren't convinced but it sure seems to me that Joe Judge is.

I also noticed yesterday how many times he changed plays presnap, got everyone in proper position and shifted people when neccesasry. Set up the blocking. He looked in complete control just like Eli used to.
Jones looked like a franchise QB yesterday  
mfsd : 11/16/2020 9:05 am : link
Yeah we all know he has to do it consistently. But he didn’t make the fatal mistake, and made the aggressive plays necessary to win the game. And 2 weeks in a row with no turnovers. Good one to build on.
a lot of people seem to forget that Jones has barely played more than  
KDavies : 11/16/2020 9:06 am : link
a full season. It is no coincidence that as the OL continues to gel, Jones cuts down on the turnovers and looks a lot better.

I look forward to the OL continuing to gel, the Giants getting Barkley back next season, and them adding some offensive weapons for Jones.
Holding the ball high and tight  
PatersonPlank : 11/16/2020 9:08 am : link
RE: a lot of people seem to forget that Jones has barely played more than  
Everyone Relax : 11/16/2020 9:09 am : link
In comment 15047094 KDavies said:
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a full season. It is no coincidence that as the OL continues to gel, Jones cuts down on the turnovers and looks a lot better.

I look forward to the OL continuing to gel, the Giants getting Barkley back next season, and them adding some offensive weapons for Jones.

Not to mention he's had to learn 2 offenses,2 coaching styles, etc. You see the playbook starting to open up. I'm hoping we start to see more deep passing plays now that they have established a running game.
The ceiling and floor for Jones  
bigbluehoya : 11/16/2020 9:09 am : link
look so much higher once you see them pull that read option / zone read out of the bag a tick more. And they could still stand to increase its use. But yesterday was a big step in showing that they know how to maximize his effectiveness.

He is an absolute freight train once he gets moving. His top speed is FAST.
I believe he's faster than Lamar Jackson  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2020 9:11 am : link
in the open field. I think I read that somewhere.
He is so deceptively...  
Johnny5 : 11/16/2020 9:13 am : link
... fast. He was absolutely hauling ass on the TD run. The way he blew by even the DBs was an eye opener. I knew he was fast but Holy $hit
He's also not small  
bigbluehoya : 11/16/2020 9:15 am : link
When he gets moving like that into the secondary, that is not a hit that a DB is going to enjoy making.
RE: He's also not small  
Spider56 : 11/16/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 15047113 bigbluehoya said:
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When he gets moving like that into the secondary, that is not a hit that a DB is going to enjoy making.


There was 1 play where a LB just bounced off him and the look in his eyes were like ‘holy shit, what was that? ‘
RE: He's also not small  
KeoweeFan : 11/16/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 15047113 bigbluehoya said:
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When he gets moving like that into the secondary, that is not a hit that a DB is going to enjoy making.

Look at the eyes of #23 in that photo :)
That was a 34 yard TD run,  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/16/2020 9:18 am : link
and he literally didn't even get touched. Great blocking for sure, but part of that was his Jones' speed and blowing by everyone if he didn't even get touched by a finger tip on a long run like that.
That was a Pat Leonard question too  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/16/2020 9:20 am : link
I don't think Judge was trying to be snarky because I dont think he operates like that but it definitely sounded like a FU reply.
RE: I believe he's faster than Lamar Jackson  
KDavies : 11/16/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 15047104 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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in the open field. I think I read that somewhere.


The 80 yard run where he fell down, he got to the fastest speed by a QB since 2018.
I don’t love DJ running the ball  
BillT : 11/16/2020 9:23 am : link
I just see him lying on the turf like we’ve seen dozen other running QBs with the trainers examining his knee. But that run was a thing of absolute beauty.
I do like how the Giants use Jones regarding running the ball  
KDavies : 11/16/2020 9:26 am : link
I don't need to see him running the ball 12-15 times a game like you see a Murray, or a Jackson. It is rare that those types of QBs stay healthy for a significant length of time.

Give me a QB that can run for a first down if there is nothing open downfield, and do the occasional designed run.
all of the posters  
ryanmkeane : 11/16/2020 9:28 am : link
who were calling Jones' career just need to be a bit patient with this. Not sure what else to tell you.
We have to remember this..  
EricJ : 11/16/2020 9:28 am : link
He still has not had a real training camp as the starter

He has had 2 head coaches

He has had 2 OC's and 2 systems

He had just 14 practices with the new OC and system before the first game

His OL is still a work in progress and until recently, he has had no time to pass

His RB's are patchwork and until recently, they really have not had a consistent run game. He has played more games without Barkley than with him.

His WRs are also patchwork and have missed a lot of games.

Engram has for the most part hurt him vs helped

This is not to make excuses for him because he has a lot of room to improve. We just need to keep this all in perspective if there is anyone who is getting impatient with his progress.
RE: I don’t love DJ running the ball  
KDavies : 11/16/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 15047135 BillT said:
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I just see him lying on the turf like we’ve seen dozen other running QBs with the trainers examining his knee. But that run was a thing of absolute beauty.


He runs about half as often as Murray/Jackson. In terms of amount of rushes, he is used more like a R. Wilson
It's amazing what a QB can do  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/16/2020 9:30 am : link
with a cleaner pocket, a running game, and when WRs get more open.
RE: I don’t love DJ running the ball  
5BowlsSoon : 11/16/2020 9:30 am : link
In comment 15047135 BillT said:
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I just see him lying on the turf like we’ve seen dozen other running QBs with the trainers examining his knee. But that run was a thing of absolute beauty.


I read where Murray ran the ball 13 times in one game and NEVER got hit. I hope Jones gets smart and knows how to go down or out of bounds instead of setting himself up to possibly be hurt.
I love the fact that Judge seems to be committed to DJ  
stoneman : 11/16/2020 9:33 am : link
Unlike the BBI faithfull :). At least he sees what cards have been dealt to Jones (Oline). I mean it took 4 games to get C/Gates straightened out, much less RT.

Can't forget that Judge was still with NE/BB when DJ was scouted/drafted. Had to hear things.
Jones is starting to put it all together  
liteamorn : 11/16/2020 9:34 am : link
It seemed like when he was concentrating on reducing bad int's he'd have more fumbles and when he concentrated on cutting down those fumbles? He'd throw those bad int's. He's starting to put it all together and his line is giving him some time and lanes.
We've been inmost of our games this year, bad mistake here, bad mistake there.
Jones was better than Wentz and that was basically the difference  
Heisenberg : 11/16/2020 9:35 am : link
in the game.
Most of bbi backed jones since his tampa start last year  
Tuckrule : 11/16/2020 9:36 am : link
A small group who are vocal were against him but that isn’t a true sentiment on this board. Mostly, we stood behind him and didn’t waver
Glad to see many here  
5BowlsSoon : 11/16/2020 9:36 am : link
Are now understanding how intricate football really is and that it is a TEAM effort. All the pieces need to be working properly for it to be successful.

Sure Jones needs to hold onto the ball better, but ....

he also needs better protection, ie, no blind side hits for one.

He needs receivers who can get separation so that he doesn’t hold onto the ball too long.

He needs a running game to keep the defense honest.

He needs good coaching to draw up the right plays for the right time.

It is pretty clear to me Jones has the physical skills we all want in a qb...arm and legs. The mental part takes time and of course adding better players to surround him takes time. I believe in him mostly because I believe in Joe Judge. If Joe loves him, so do I.
RE: Jones was better than Wentz and that was basically the difference  
BelieveJJ : 11/16/2020 9:41 am : link
In comment 15047164 Heisenberg said:
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in the game.


+1

Wenz had more consistently time to throw. Jones had the advantage of playing from the lead, with two great drives and TDs to open the game.

Excellent game plan and play calling by Jason Garrett. Not so much from Pederson.
Jones will be the Giants qb for the next decade  
chiro56 : 11/16/2020 9:42 am : link
And will be a top 10 qb for years.
Over time, the threat of him running may be more important...  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/16/2020 9:46 am : link
...than the actual runs. He has the makings of an excellent pocket passer. As the line improves its pass-protection, I think the ceiling is rising to somewhere between a more accurate Cam/Dak and a less superhuman Aaron Rodgers. A big, mobile QB who can make plays with his feet when needed can open up a lot of options that don’t involve him getting smashed by linebackers.

The floor still might be Joey Harrington; after all, Jones is only two weeks removed from the Tampa Bay mess. But I’m worrying less about him topping out at mid-career Alex Smith.
By the way, as there is more tape of him running...  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/16/2020 9:51 am : link
...defensive coordinators may find it easier to get DBs to respect his speed and take better angles. OTOH, the Eagles keep getting burned, so maybe he’s just that good.
If defenses start to worry about Jones running and try to limit it  
PatersonPlank : 11/16/2020 9:55 am : link
then that means putting a LB or DB on him during pass plays. This will open up more passing opportunities. If you stop one thing you open up another.
This is the player we were all hoping for this year  
ron mexico : 11/16/2020 9:59 am : link
Hopefully he can keep it up and keep stacking wins
I was watching some Youtube highlights,  
giantBCP : 11/16/2020 10:00 am : link
and it seems like he's visibly faster than he was at Duke.
If Judge thinks Jones is his guy  
arniefez : 11/16/2020 10:04 am : link
that's good enough for me. But let's see what happens in the last 6 games and the off season. The level of play from the entire team vs the level of talent on the roster is the best coaching job I've seen from the Giants since 1990.
And the very next INT Jones throws  
Bill L : 11/16/2020 10:05 am : link
will make Justin Fields our new most favorite QB ever.
RE: RE: I don’t love DJ running the ball  
BillT : 11/16/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 15047152 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 15047135 BillT said:


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I just see him lying on the turf like we’ve seen dozen other running QBs with the trainers examining his knee. But that run was a thing of absolute beauty.



I read where Murray ran the ball 13 times in one game and NEVER got hit. I hope Jones gets smart and knows how to go down or out of bounds instead of setting himself up to possibly be hurt.

But DJ isn’t Murray or Wilson. He’s a tall fast guy who’s legs look like gigantic long targets for every guy trying to tackle him. If some Eagle DB had cut his legs out from underneath him on that run you wouldn’t have been holding your breath?
RE: I do like how the Giants use Jones regarding running the ball  
SteelGiant : 11/16/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 15047138 KDavies said:
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I don't need to see him running the ball 12-15 times a game like you see a Murray, or a Jackson. It is rare that those types of QBs stay healthy for a significant length of time.

Give me a QB that can run for a first down if there is nothing open downfield, and do the occasional designed run.


Yeah - he is not the QB out there that is Juking guys which is how a lot of Mobile QBs get hurt because that is not good for the knees. DJ is more of an Aaron Rodgers which mean you take what the defense gives you. The more you take advantage of defensive like that the more passing that becomes available. I like the occasional designed run but I what I would like to see is DJ do that a couple more times on his own when his read is not there. That is where Aaron Rodger was so frustrating to play against. Its when the defense is dead to rights and then give up an easy 5 yard slide to the QB. I think we will see more of this as DJ develops and that is exciting.
RE: And the very next INT Jones throws  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 15047224 Bill L said:
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will make Justin Fields our new most favorite QB ever.


So true
RE: I was watching some Youtube highlights,  
mfsd : 11/16/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 15047208 giantBCP said:
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and it seems like he's visibly faster than he was at Duke.


There were several quotes and stories in preseason about how Jones came back in great shape. He clearly has the work ethic. Now his decision making is catching up
RE: RE: And the very next INT Jones throws  
GManinDC : 11/16/2020 10:51 am : link
In comment 15047241 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15047224 Bill L said:


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will make Justin Fields our new most favorite QB ever.



So true


I third this..
For you guys that are good with edits, take the picture, cut  
Spider56 : 11/16/2020 12:25 pm : link
out the chasing LB to focus on Jones and the eyes of #23 ... put it in a new thread and say ‘caption this’
RE: RE: He's also not small  
Reale01 : 11/16/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15047118 KeoweeFan said:
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In comment 15047113 bigbluehoya said:


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When he gets moving like that into the secondary, that is not a hit that a DB is going to enjoy making.


Look at the eyes of #23 in that photo :)


I saw the same thing. He is looking like he wants someone else to make the play
I'm still not comfortable with a running QB  
JohnF : 11/16/2020 12:48 pm : link
Occasional use of the RPO, and running like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers is fine, but NFL history tells us that teams that use their QB heavily in the running game don't have those QB's for long, because the injuries pile up.

For now, it is what it is, but long term we need to depend more on the running game and the short pass game as our OL improves, and leave Jones runs for the occasional Home Run threat. I'd like to see DJ slide more in the open, and not always stick his head out there where it can be hammered, or possibly fumble.

For the old timers out there, how would you compare DJ at this point in his career to Phil Simms? People forget that at the beginning, Phil was very mobile, and ran a lot until he got injured. I'm seeing some similarities between the two, but it's been a long time, and I only saw Phil live in games at the end of his career.
RE: I'm still not comfortable with a running QB  
UConn4523 : 11/16/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 15047706 JohnF said:
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Occasional use of the RPO, and running like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers is fine, but NFL history tells us that teams that use their QB heavily in the running game don't have those QB's for long, because the injuries pile up.

For now, it is what it is, but long term we need to depend more on the running game and the short pass game as our OL improves, and leave Jones runs for the occasional Home Run threat. I'd like to see DJ slide more in the open, and not always stick his head out there where it can be hammered, or possibly fumble.

For the old timers out there, how would you compare DJ at this point in his career to Phil Simms? People forget that at the beginning, Phil was very mobile, and ran a lot until he got injured. I'm seeing some similarities between the two, but it's been a long time, and I only saw Phil live in games at the end of his career.


But if he and the offense are better than this is how it has to be. I don't have much interest in running a less efficient offense due to injury concerns/risks. This is what Daniel Jones signed up for and its one of the reasons why we drafted him.

Maybe longterm he develops into a different QB but right now he should absolutely be running. We are a different offense we he breaks those runs.
JohnF: Simms had a howitzer arm.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/16/2020 1:04 pm : link
Those seam passes to Mowatt and Bavaro from ‘84-87, and the I-cuts to Lionel Manuel, were throws I’m not sure Jones makes. Pre-ACL, Phil tossed some lasers to Earnest Gray and others, in between his many early mistakes.

On the other hand, Phil was never as fast or elusive as Jones, and he didn’t really harness his prodigious arm strength until he settled in, behind an improving line, in 1984.

Comparisons across eras are tricky. Phil took a ferocious beating his first five years. Jones will take his share of hits, but he is unlikely ever to Face the kind of violence Phil did, in or out of the pocket.
Running with Jones has to be part of the offense  
Go Terps : 11/16/2020 1:15 pm : link
It opens up a lot in the pass game, as well as lanes for the running backs. If you're concerned about injuries, then get a couple mobile backups that can run the offense in the event Jones gets hurt.
RE: JohnF: Simms had a howitzer arm.  
JohnF : 11/16/2020 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15047729 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Those seam passes to Mowatt and Bavaro from ‘84-87, and the I-cuts to Lionel Manuel, were throws I’m not sure Jones makes. Pre-ACL, Phil tossed some lasers to Earnest Gray and others, in between his many early mistakes.


Thanks for the responses. It does make you realize how poor the WR's for Phil were, since he did have a cannon for an arm. Normally, if you have a great arm, you can take more chances by throwing in tighter windows...but Phil was always waiting for his WR's to get open, instead of trusting them to make plays to get the ball.

The really sad thing when you think about it...as much as people rag on the WR's we have now, they are 100% better than what Phil had. It's why I think Phil should have been in the HOF, he had amazing passing statistics with what he had.
It's stating the obvious that Jones played his best game yesterday  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/16/2020 1:53 pm : link
...just a fantastic game.

We all can see he has the ability, he just has to be consistent. And yesterday he was consistent throughout the whole game.

It was a big game and he didn't shy from the challenge.
It is possible, and maybe I am a tad  
section125 : 11/16/2020 4:45 pm : link
early on this, but that Tampa game may have been the turning point with Jones. Without any doubt, he knew he was the reason they did not win. He knew he blew that game. He knew the Giants outplayed Tampa and he let the team down. The light may have come on for him. Cold, hard reality may have slapped him in the face.
Knock wood, maybe the light has come on.
What i noticed during Jones' runs  
Boatie Warrant : 11/16/2020 4:53 pm : link
Is he takes up 2 yards with each step. Long stride!
I was losing faith in Jones  
darren in pdx : 11/16/2020 6:41 pm : link
after a few poor games in a row that cost the team wins. The past couple of years have worn me down so much that it's hard to believe that players on this team could improve. If he comes out from the bye week even more prepared, I'm getting excited again. If only Barkley was healthy for this late season stretch.
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