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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 10:22 am
Metsmerized
@Metsmerized
Source: Mets Showing Interest in Corey Kluber, Charlie Morton, Mike Minor

1. Yes, but only WITH an Odorizzi, Tanaka, Musgrove addition

2. Yes 100%

3. 4.64 FIP, declining stuff, again only if in conjunction with a good arm




MLB.com
Mets get: SS Francisco Lindor, C Austin Hedges

Indians get: SS Andrés Giménez, 2B/OF Jeff McNeil, OF Pete Crow-Armstrong (Mets' No. 5 prospect), RHP Ryley Gilliam (Mets' No. 25 prospect)

Hell no
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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 1:46 pm : link
I didn't particularly want Drew Smyly, but to me the downside is relatively low and the upside is intriguing. Injuries happen but if he gives them any season other than his shortened 2015 they won't regret the move.
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Eric on Li : 11/16/2020 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15047855 DanMetroMan said:
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I didn't particularly want Drew Smyly, but to me the downside is relatively low and the upside is intriguing. Injuries happen but if he gives them any season other than his shortened 2015 they won't regret the move.


It's just a gamble. I'd throw out his 2019 so it's really just a gamble on those 26 innings last year - that were probably as good as any other pitcher on the market other than Trevor Bauer last year.

I'd imagine Atlanta determined they don't have the $ for Bauer. And this is a gamble at spending less than 1/10 of what Bauer is going to cost for the hope that maybe Smyly was legit. I'm doubtful on it but like you said he doesn't need to replicate what he did last year to still be an ok value.
MLBTR  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 1:55 pm : link
Smyly and Hamels again cross paths here, and Smyly presumably takes Hamels’ place in Atlanta after a year in which Hamels missed all but one start due to injury. Smyly, meanwhile, looks like he might have finally returned his early-career form. The 31-year-old posted a 3.45 ERA across 26 1/3 innings in 2020 with 14.4 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9. Smyly parlayed a one-year, $4MM deal into this one-year, $11MM contract with the Braves.

Smyly comes with a fair amount of injury risk, but the Braves are coming off a season in which they experienced near total rotation turnover, while still managing to come within a game of winning the pennant. They know how to handle some injury uncertainty. If Smyly can perform anywhere near his 2020 level, when he limited opposing hitters to a .198/.261/.297 line, the Braves will happily cash in on that upside.
Pass  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 3:42 pm : link
on Hader
Great  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 4:17 pm : link
read. You start to wonder/realize the impact on the team without a good analytics dept.
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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 4:26 pm : link
@mikeaxisa
lists @mets
as a potential fit for Rich Hill. Durability is a major?? Treated as an "extra" he'd be a solid luxury. But at 41, he shouldn't be relied upon for more than that
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 4:33 pm : link
on the move?

"The Mets’ primary focus this winter falls on pitching, catching and center field. So why, according to an industry source, have they expressed an interest in stud free-agent bat Marcell Ozuna?

Because their lineup leans to the left more than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Ozuna, who just turned 30, will be able to choose from myriad suitors, although his process might take a while thanks to both the COVID-induced Hot Stove slowdown and the collective bargaining over returning the designated hitter to the National League for next season. He spent 2020 with the Braves after signing a one-year, $18-million contract with them in January and rewarded their commitment with a .338/.431/.636 slash line in 60 games. His 18 homers, 56 RBIs and 145 total bases led the NL and his 267 plate appearances paced the entire major leagues as he arguably elevated his status more than any other hitter on this open market."
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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 4:41 pm : link
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
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15m
#Mets should be looking under every rock this offseason. Ozuna can rake, but he is a pretty awkward fit as a guy that’s basically a DH at this point. He was -1 OAA in the outfield and spent most time at DH.

The Mets already have DH candidates in Alonso, Dom, Cano, JD Davis
Springer  
pjcas18 : 11/16/2020 4:54 pm : link
is a righty bat

He makea a million times more sense than Ozuna.

As does Arenado (at a different position).

And Lindor is a switch hitter (not as much HR power righty, but still good power and you can't bring in a lefty against him).

All better RH bat options to counter the lefty heavy lineup.
Ozuna  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 5:03 pm : link
really only makes sense if your dealing one of Nimmo/Dom/Alonso and if it's Nimmo you still need a CF. He's not a fit without one of them being dealt. Ozuna/Nimmo in LF/CF gives you the worst LF/CF defensively in baseball.
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Eric on Li : 11/16/2020 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15048121 DanMetroMan said:
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read. You start to wonder/realize the impact on the team without a good analytics dept. Link - ( New Window )


I am quite certain we are going to be reading a lot over the next decade that the smart teams of this past decade were the ones that realized how important defense is analytically. I think DRS and OAA are on the right track but I think we will see in the future the scale was off and the impact of defense was underestimated in the public data relative to what teams are seeing.

The phrase 'outs above average' really puts things into context. Outs are innings. If one team plays great defense to the point where their defense is almost limiting their opposition to 8 innings worth of outs, while the other team is poor on defense and giving them extra outs to the effect of 10 innings worth of outs, just think about that advantage. That seems extreme but how many times did we play Atlanta and see Andrleton Simmons make that many extra outs all by himself in single games over a series?

That was essentially the difference when we played KC in the WS - and that's why my #1 priority this offseason would be adding as many elite defenders at important positions as possible. And why I'd be very reluctant to trade the 1 elite defender we had last year (Gimenez).
Ozuna makes no sense here  
Eric on Li : 11/16/2020 5:09 pm : link
that would be reminiscent of when they resign Jay Bruce to the 3 year deal and regretted it almost immediately. I wonder if they are throwing Boras a bone or something. They literally already have a massive log jam of like 4 or 5 strong COF candidates and another 2 or 3 strong candidates for DH (along with the previously mentioned COF candidates).
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jpkmets : 11/16/2020 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15048121 DanMetroMan said:
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read. You start to wonder/realize the impact on the team without a good analytics dept. Link - ( New Window )


Enjoyed that! Thanks, Metro!
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DanMetroMan : 11/16/2020 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15048370 jpkmets said:
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read. You start to wonder/realize the impact on the team without a good analytics dept. Link - ( New Window )

Any time. It was a very interesting read to me



Enjoyed that! Thanks, Metro!
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jpkmets : 11/17/2020 1:11 am : link
In comment 15048431 DanMetroMan said:
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read. You start to wonder/realize the impact on the team without a good analytics dept. Link - ( New Window )

Any time. It was a very interesting read to me



Enjoyed that! Thanks, Metro!



Absolutely cool to read these things. I bought an annual subscription to FG and think it’s been worth every dollar. I’ve grown to appreciate analytics a lot more. I’ve kind of given up understanding exactly how the sausage is made on some of the advance stats, but they’ve really been helpful in overcoming my eye-test prejudices when evaluating players.

You and some of the other regulars here and on NYFS have really shown how useful they are. Encouraging news about Rosario’s progress based in that article. Also, have to think Alderson’s GM encourages more shifting from Rojas’ defense. Seems like the Mets individual defense improved at 3, 4, 6 - but the team was not optimally positioned.
Good FG article  
jpkmets : 11/17/2020 1:17 am : link
On the coming nontender market. Some thoughts on the Mets’ unique positioning to plumb the depths of the 12/2 market. Assume GM will be in place by then.
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 9:36 am : link
Expected, Mets denied permission to speak to Stearns
Antonetti  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 10:06 am : link
Forst and Neander have all intimated that they are not interested in interviewing with the Mets.
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 10:57 am : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
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15h
Subtle change I just heard from Mets minor leaguer about new regime:

Lots of organizations send players balls for the offseason, the Mets were not doing this.

Well that’s different this year, some Mets minors leaguers received two boxes of balls yesterday.
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 11:08 am : link
With the obvious caveat being we only know 3/5 of @Mets rotation right now, @fangraphs projects @Mets pitchers to induce 2,000 groundballs in 2021 (2nd in the league). This makes a potential pursuit of Arenado all the more intriguing
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 1:19 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Source: #Mets have requested permission to speak with #Indians GM Mike Chernoff about their president of baseball operations position. It’s not clear if Indians have granted it.

Adding to the intrigue: The Mets are one suitor for Francisco Lindor. @MLB
@MLBNetwork
Theo  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 1:29 pm : link
released a long letter talking about his desire to take time off, spend time with his family and pursue some other avenues of his life. Expects to eventually come back to baseball.
Chernoff  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 1:29 pm : link
interned for the Mets under Jim Duquette.
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 1:32 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
Could Chris Antonetti and Sandy Alderson agree on a trade that sends Francisco Lindor and Mike Chernoff to the Mets for a package of players going to Cleveland? Would be a fascinating negotiation. Chernoff was a good infielder for the @PUTIGERS
. . . @MLBNetwork
@MLB
@Cut4
Chernoff  
Pete in MD : 11/17/2020 1:34 pm : link
is from Livingston, NJ. If anyone reads Harlan Coben they are familiar with that town.
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 1:54 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
One more #Mets update: Sources say #Rays highly regarded executive Bobby Heck is under consideration for a top front-office role with Mets. Since he is not the Tampa Bay GM, he likely would be permitted to leave for a GM role (or higher) in New York. @MLBNetwork
@MLB
Cohen  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 1:57 pm : link
suggested Heck to the Wilpons when they hired Brodie so the interest has been there.
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 2:07 pm : link
@martinonyc
mentions Tim Naehring as someone @MetsGM
would love to hire but Naehring is disinterested in leaving @Yankees
. It's been long rumored the @Reds
job is the only one that might change that #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 11/17/2020 5:48 pm : link
Susan Slusser
@susanslusser
·
1m
It sounds as if David Forst is a target for the Mets, not surprising considering he's worked with Sandy Alderson the past two years. Forst always has turned down every opportunity elsewhere, but I wonder if this one might intrigue him, especially with A's dim financial picture.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:02 am : link
like the Mets have zeroed in on Chernoff (if he wants the job) it's likely his. He and Heck would be a great combo.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:11 am : link
@jonmorosi says he expects @Indians to grant permission to speak to Chernoff, that Theo is not believed to be a candidate and that @bheck2to8 is still up for the role of GM #Mets
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pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 15049839 DanMetroMan said:
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like the Mets have zeroed in on Chernoff (if he wants the job) it's likely his. He and Heck would be a great combo.


Would Chernoff need to recuse himself from any Lindor discussions Sandy might be having (or are there no discussions until a GM is hired). Or if hired would he need to have someone else handle it?

I feel like since I read the Mets reached out to a bunch of free agents (reportedly) these trade discussions need to be happening too.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 15049849 pjcas18 said:
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like the Mets have zeroed in on Chernoff (if he wants the job) it's likely his. He and Heck would be a great combo.



Would Chernoff need to recuse himself from any Lindor discussions Sandy might be having (or are there no discussions until a GM is hired). Or if hired would he need to have someone else handle it?

I feel like since I read the Mets reached out to a bunch of free agents (reportedly) these trade discussions need to be happening too.


Don't see any reason to think that would be necessary. The Indians would be the ones making the call on pulling the trigger on the trade, they would be the ones deciding if the Mets return was the best offer. What advantage would the Mets have over other teams other than Chernoff's relationship with Antonetti? And Antonetti isn't going to trade Lindor to the Mets because he knows Chernoff or is friends with him.
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pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 15049854 DanMetroMan said:
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like the Mets have zeroed in on Chernoff (if he wants the job) it's likely his. He and Heck would be a great combo.



Would Chernoff need to recuse himself from any Lindor discussions Sandy might be having (or are there no discussions until a GM is hired). Or if hired would he need to have someone else handle it?

I feel like since I read the Mets reached out to a bunch of free agents (reportedly) these trade discussions need to be happening too.



Don't see any reason to think that would be necessary. The Indians would be the ones making the call on pulling the trigger on the trade, they would be the ones deciding if the Mets return was the best offer. What advantage would the Mets have over other teams other than Chernoff's relationship with Antonetti? And Antonetti isn't going to trade Lindor to the Mets because he knows Chernoff or is friends with him.


What if they agree to a trade and then Chernoff is hired by the Mets.

Just seems like the Indians would want someone else more involved.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:22 am : link
be very happy with Chernoff/Heck. Heck is considered an A+ eye for talent.
So if the Indians were to pull the trigger during Chernoffs  
bhill410 : 11/18/2020 11:34 am : link
Interview process, yes I suspect ownership would require he abstain or recuse himself. But this isn’t a publically traded company, there is no shareholder imposed fiduciary obligation nor would ownership let him act in a vacuum like that.
I'd imagine Sandy is treating trade negotiations like Rojas situation  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 12:01 pm : link
and not going fully in any direction until he assembles his FO team. Heck seems likely to come on and I like that move. The OAK guy sounds interesting too if he's open to leaving.

Chernoff has been rumored before and always sounded appealing, I'd think his presence would actually increase the chances of a Lindor trade. He knows what they are looking for and what their timeline/budget is. I'd guess there's a chance he'd be more likely to prioritize Lindor as a top target based on his firsthand experience. So if that's all the case and Chernoff does end up here, I'd imagine it could create the environment for a straightforward negotiation without a lot of the typical posturing and BS. Sandy/Chernoff/GM come up with an offer that will presumably be more on target with what CLE is looking for based on Chernoff's insight, then either it's close enough to hammer out a deal or everyone goes in a different direction because there's not a fit.
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 1:36 pm : link
It's not clear yet if Mike Chernoff will interview for a job with the Mets. There is some thought he will not, but Chernoff hasn't responded to a message seeking clarification. Has turned down chances before.
Speculation  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 2:57 pm : link
Theo may be eying the Padres with a significant ownership stake
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