... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
Lol....so the narrative is now that we should have let it play out? 99.9% of BBI wanted him cut the day the news came out.
I think the narrative was that he was a known felon-in-the-making at the draft!!
Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!
the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.
He definitely put himself in the situation, but the guy was being extorted and many BBIers and people in general that watch the NFL were calling him a piece of shit, a thug, this that and the other thing.
Pretty sad but happy for Baker that he gets a clean slate.
... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
+1
RE: Seems like we should have just let it play out
... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
I recall this being brought up 2 months ago when he was released. It was clearly a fluid situation with lots of moving parts....why not just wait and see how it plays out? Were they just worried about the bad PR?
the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.
However, IMO, he may not be charged, but he's probably not all that innocent. I don't think there's any chance he emerges as a wronged victim.
It is quite possible the Giants decided to steer clear no matter what. Still, I don't think they saved any money by cutting him, so what's the harm of letting it play out? Presuming he didn't tie up a roster spot.
Baker didn't do anything wrong. It proves that the victims were not good people and the state would not be able to prove its case.
That said, I always leaned on the side of taking our time with making a roster decision and giving him the benefit of the doubt until more facts came out. And now I wish we had. He may never have a real NFL career but I'd rather we kept him while he was on the exempt list. If you invest in a first rounder, you might as well let the case play out. Maybe he could have been an option for us next year, if he got his head on straight.
Still, if last year's performance and the events of the offseason are predictive, don't expect a long, productive career. Let's hope he matures quickly, wherever he ends up.
the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.
You nailed it. In terms of attitude and work ethic Baker is the opposite of what Judge looks for in a player.
He definitely put himself in the situation, but the guy was being extorted and many BBIers and people in general that watch the NFL were calling him a piece of shit, a thug, this that and the other thing.
Pretty sad but happy for Baker that he gets a clean slate.
Some real absolute pieces of shit here. Wish someone would pull up some of those threads and put people on blast. I'd love to know what reality people live in that people don't get falsely accused of things. Scary to think these are the same people that are probably too dumb to get out of jury duty or relish the thought to put these "thugs" away.
and apparently poor work ethic screwed the Giants. Got no issue moving on, it's just tough to eat getting zero out of three draft picks on the backside.
the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.
You nailed it. In terms of attitude and work ethic Baker is the opposite of what Judge looks for in a player.
This. Said a few days ago if Baker had shown more on field and/or was doing the right things at least there's no way we cut him considering this was very far from cut and dry. I doubt teams take cutting people lightly before they get their day in court unless guilt is obvious. It isn't a good look for an orginization at all as far as player relations are concerned, especially one that takes it as seriously as the Giants do.
Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
Spoke with Bradford Cohen, lawyer for ex-#Giants CB Deandre Baker: "I’ve been saying this from Day 1, that this was an extortion scheme and that Deandre was the victim. This event did not play out as they insinuated. And the case was dismissed."
and apparently poor work ethic screwed the Giants. Got no issue moving on, it's just tough to eat getting zero out of three draft picks on the backside.
It also stings knowing that they could have taken DK Metcalf, OL Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford, Erik McCoy Dalton Risner, WR AJ Brown, WR Terry McLaurin etc.
Spoke with Bradford Cohen, lawyer for ex-#Giants CB Deandre Baker: "I’ve been saying this from Day 1, that this was an extortion scheme and that Deandre was the victim. This event did not play out as they insinuated. And the case was dismissed."
More Ian:
The #Giants moved on from Baker and he’s now a free agent. More from lawyer Bradford Cohen:
“Deandre has been working out since the day of this event. He knew he was innocent of the crime. He’s been working out in case he gets signed by a team.”
Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
This isn't Madden. Professional athletes aren't known to be ego less. If some team cut me before I got my day in court I'd tell them to show me the money. Pretty moot point, he essentially got cut because his play wasn't good nor was he doing the right things, he's 100% not a Judge guy.
Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
None of the picks used to trade up for Baker were from the Beckham trade.
what a shit break for baker, hope that scumbag lawyer gets what he deserved. it sucks that we gave up on him but as other's alluded to i think this episode just gave them an opportunity to cut ties due other reasons. that said i wouldn't hate a reunion.
The attorney for the alleged victims is now under arrest
As a HUGE Georgia fan so yes I’m biased.
With what occurred, what team would not have released him? Look what happened with Quinton Dunbar. This entire thing did not make sense and we all are aware. Why was Dunbar NOT put on the exempt list? From that standpoint, and being a brand new coach, Judge did not want the distraction. I’m really not sure why if Baker was put on the exempt list, why he was cut unless it was due to cap reasons being a first round pick. Would Baker hold that grudge? I honestly do not know and I do not think he should. With Dunbar being allowed to play/ charges dropped so quickly for him and Baker not having the charges dropped, other teams would have cut him as well. Giants NEED a CB2 very badly. I truly hope Judge at least speaks with Baker to explain the situation and that he was put in a bad spot as a brand new coach and sees where he is at.
Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
+1
First round picks are huge investments (especially moving up) to just chalk this up to a wasted pick. We obviously saw something in Baker and I would imagine a kid who almost lost it all will be playing with a chip on his shoulder- especially if it's for the team that gave him a second chance. Call him Gettleman
Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!
Seems like most people are acknowledging he was probably cut for character and attitude reasons. Baker was a player who had character and attitude red flags coming out of Georgia. Are we allowed to criticize Gettleman for that?
Anyone believes that Baker should be brought back is irrelevant. Joe Judge demands 100% commitment from his players. If a player doesn’t buy into his program and work hard they will not be on the team.
Judge worked hard to build up the locker room and get rid of anyone who wasn’t willing to put in the work. Does Baker seem like someone Judge will want to bring into the locker room during a potential playoff push?
Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!
Seems like most people are acknowledging he was probably cut for character and attitude reasons. Baker was a player who had character and attitude red flags coming out of Georgia. Are we allowed to criticize Gettleman for that?
Of course you are. There were some that implied that Gettleman should have know that Baker was going to commit armed robbery because he was late to meetings in college.
This was one helluva experience for Baker - might not be the same kid we drafted
Absolutely, this should have been a huge wake up call for Baker. He thought that his entire career and potentially tens of millions of dollars were gone. If he doesn’t grow as a person and work hard moving forward then there are deeper concerns.
I'd like to bring him back. He has talent, let this coaching staff
Hopefully the cutting him conversion went kind of something like this.
Hey Deandre,
We are going to waive you today. We want you to be able to fully focus on your legal battle without the heighten scrutiny of the NY media breathing down your neck. Go take care of you and your family right now. When the dust clears, come on back and we'll get to work.
doesn't mean that he was an innocent victim of the system. Dropping charges could mean they thought he actually did nothing wrong, or they couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Because they were dropped he should be free to pursue his NFL career, but that doesn't mean it should be with the Giants.
Let's not forget, before this whole incident he was showing up late to meetings and in some instances dogging it on the field. Just because he is not facing charges doesn't mean he is a good fit for the team.
A change of scenery may do him some good. I wish him well, but I don't necessarily want him back with the Giants.
... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
Lol....so the narrative is now that we should have let it play out? 99.9% of BBI wanted him cut the day the news came out.
Actually, it was much more divided than that, but of course that doesn't fit YOUR narrative.
There were definitely many people who wanted him cut - I was one of them - but it was not 99.9%. It might not have even been a majority. There was a very large group of posters who were very clearly advocating exactly the suggestion that we should let it play out.
And those posters may well have been correct, so they should feel free to mention that now that the charges have been dropped.
I'm not sure what the purpose is of inventing an alternate version of reality so that you can try to make a point that doesn't actually exist.
It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.
It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.
interesting point on the finances, could indicate they parted ways on "relatively good" terms
Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.
If you are Baker, where do you go?
Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.
or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?
or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?
is there a coach out there that you want to work with?
do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?
Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
never made sense from the beginning and only got stranger as more reports came out. As far as baker goes, the giants have been consistent in saying that baker needed to focus on the legal issues. I don't know what the conversations were like with the giants and baker prior to him being released, but i don't think it was under bad terms.
If the giants and Joe judge are interested, then I am sure they will have a long sit down with him and lay out all expectations and decide from there.
I don't think all doors are closed to bringing him back
This is what I don't understand about cancel culture
The Giants effectively wasted a first round pick and more to satisfy the mob. So now what?! I don't know how innocent Baker is in all of this but axing the kid has made this situation even shittier for all involved.
RE: This is what I don't understand about cancel culture
The Giants effectively wasted a first round pick and more to satisfy the mob. So now what?! I don't know how innocent Baker is in all of this but axing the kid has made this situation even shittier for all involved.
It is so true, we wasted a first round pick based on what, a good press cycle, so people could say "wow, the giants don't tolerate this crap." Baker will be back in the league if the situations resolves in his favor (as it did), why not just keep the option, especially because there is no downside to it, other than a few reporters saying bad things about your organization for a couple of days. Let him go on the commissioner exemption list and then. make a decision when the case is resolved.
I'd investigate it. He didn't have a bad rep coming out of GA.
Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.
If you are Baker, where do you go?
Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.
or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?
or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?
is there a coach out there that you want to work with?
do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?
Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
In what world does it show "character" to resign with the Giants. You could really make the argument the Giants did him dirty and was just listening to that ass clown Pat Lenord on the Fan and the team is already out there putting their spin on it to make sure this doesn't hurt player relations. I'd question any competitive athlete that decides to go back into that situation. If it were me I'd tell them loyalty? show me the loyalty by offering the biggest offer. And this isn't to say we shouldn't have cut him, he's been underwhelming and he has character and work ethic issues that are real.
What turns me off about Baker was his performance last year
You can blame Betcher and his defense, but Baker looked lost the entire year and he was a 1st round pick. He never 'flashed' talent or showed a reason to be a 1st round pick. Then there were stories about how he was 'bad in the locker/film room', which I try to take with a grain of salt. Then this whole episode happened and I thought, 'well this doesn't help his cause'. I want a 1st rounder to work out, especially at a position that you can never have enough depth, and when they cut him, I figured, well they know more about him than I do and its probably better to get this whole drama away from a 1st year 1st time head coach, but still hated cutting him. If there is a DC who could have gotten more out of Baker its Graham. I just don't think its a good idea to bring him back if that was a possibilty. Everyone needs to move on. Hopefully he learns from whatever mistakes he made with that situation and can move on. My lasting worry with the Baker pick is that there was/is a personality thing there and DG/Giants personnel missed it. If thats not the case, phew. But if so, are we using the whole wonderlic or anything else there?
Hard to believe the Giants dropped Baker solely on the basis of a prosecution. The NFL could still pursue a suspension if they believe the case was dropped because the States attorneys believed they could not win. The league doesnt require innocent until proven guilty, they can act. Theres alot about this case that still smells.
There have been a few NFL teams asking around about DeAndre Baker in recent weeks, according to a source close to the ex-Giants CB. ... The Giants were not one of them. There's been no contact between them and his camp since he was released in early September.
It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.
interesting point on the finances, could indicate they parted ways on "relatively good" terms
They didn't go after the finances because in order to do that he would have needed to be guilty in court. You can't recoup those for merely being charged with a crime.
more Isaac Yiadom fans. His weekly improvement is unappreciated.
While I agree he has improved, he's improved to the point where he is now not a bad backup. Maybe he can keep going but i think he's bound to hit a ceiling and i think that is sooner rather than later (if he hasn't already). I could be wrong though as he was in 100% of the snap count(67 plays) according to Giants Wire.
Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.
If you are Baker, where do you go?
Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.
or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?
or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?
is there a coach out there that you want to work with?
do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?
Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
In what world does it show "character" to resign with the Giants. You could really make the argument the Giants did him dirty and was just listening to that ass clown Pat Lenord on the Fan and the team is already out there putting their spin on it to make sure this doesn't hurt player relations. I'd question any competitive athlete that decides to go back into that situation. If it were me I'd tell them loyalty? show me the loyalty by offering the biggest offer. And this isn't to say we shouldn't have cut him, he's been underwhelming and he has character and work ethic issues that are real.
Honestly if I'm him I stay far away from NY media and fans. They are relentless and always looking for the negative story. The Giants aren't the easy choice, there would have to be an inner desire within him to face this head on and pick right up where he left off. He can go to Jacksonville and never have to answer a single question about this again.
I wasn't trying to say it was less character to go somewhere else. Just that I would have much respect for him if he came back to the Giants, because the easier path is somewhere else.
also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
... in their LT jerseys opining on what a bad guy Baker is. Enough with the the selective purity/morality tests concerning pro athletes.
You cant compare the old days with today's times. If LT did what he did then but did it in today's times with Social Media we would barely know who LT is because would probably be in jail and kicked out of the league.
I am not resting my case on morality of pro athletes but the higher standard there is because players today are under the microscope. Ernie Holmes of the Steelers shot at a Police Helicopter in 1973 and hit a cop. Do you think the Steelers would have kept him around if that happened today?
The arrest was the cherry on top of a lot of frustration with Baker. If his reported habit of missing meetings and laziness didn’t occur they might have waited until the legal process played out to cut him.
also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
Oh yeah, we moved up to the 1st round....even worse!
Do you think Baker is the only giant who has attended a party instead of social distancing?
But, I don't think the Giants made the wrong call here. The circumstances under which the charges arose and have been dropped have all been hazy. There is a very good chance he was at the very least in a very poor position and showed very poor judgement. However, 2 significant factors for his release were his attitude and work ethic. Let's see him surface somewhere as a reclamation project first.
also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
Oh yeah, we moved up to the 1st round....even worse!
Do you think Baker is the only giant who has attended a party instead of social distancing?
So how many parties have you been at this year that could have put you in a situation that would have gotten you indicted for a possible 10 year sentence. This was not just some kind on run of the mill hangout. The lesson here is not to put yourself in a dumb situation regardless. Also a lot of players are social distancing or else the Covid numbers in the NFL would be out of control and the season would already be in ruins.
I hope Baker learned his lesson, and I hope he makes smarter choices in the future, but I not going to say it was a bad idea to cut bait with a bad apple who was not listening to the coaches or the organization. I am sure the Giants talk to him and his lawyers and they probably did do a very good job of selling on clear Baker was of the situation he was in. Unless you really believe he just went to some party and brought his little madden game to show some people how cool it was.
Brown had all his charges dropped too as did Greg Hardy. Sometimes that doesn't mean what some of you think it means.
I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.
And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.
As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
Brown had all his charges dropped too as did Greg Hardy. Sometimes that doesn't mean what some of you think it means.
I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.
And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.
As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
Good post. It may not even mean the DA thinks they will lose. But, with the craziness around this case, it may be impossible to determine if they can win or what the evidence/testimony will be tomorrow, let alone a few months from now. Why waste taxpayer money and their time? As for the Giants, they may not even know the real story. This may have just been enough on top of his terrible play, bad attitude, and bad work ethic. Their assessment may be that he is another incident waiting to happen and he isnt worth the drama.
Brown had all his charges dropped too as did Greg Hardy. Sometimes that doesn't mean what some of you think it means.
I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.
And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.
As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
I would have been ok with waiting it out but I trust they had their reasons. They may have asked him some questions about the incident and asked him to be honest and they found out he wasnt telling the truth. It could be that simple. The Giants are not going to air the dirty laundry on the player because that is also bad for business.
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Multiple robbery charges against former Giants cornerback DeAndre Baker have been dropped as the attorney for the alleged victims was arrested for an alleged extortion attempt
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I think the narrative was that he was a known felon-in-the-making at the draft!!
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Lol....so the narrative is now that we should have let it play out? 99.9% of BBI wanted him cut the day the news came out.
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but I thought he was a thug?
I think the narrative was that he was a known felon-in-the-making at the draft!!
Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!
He definitely put himself in the situation, but the guy was being extorted and many BBIers and people in general that watch the NFL were calling him a piece of shit, a thug, this that and the other thing.
Pretty sad but happy for Baker that he gets a clean slate.
+1
I recall this being brought up 2 months ago when he was released. It was clearly a fluid situation with lots of moving parts....why not just wait and see how it plays out? Were they just worried about the bad PR?
this makes sense
However, IMO, he may not be charged, but he's probably not all that innocent. I don't think there's any chance he emerges as a wronged victim.
It is quite possible the Giants decided to steer clear no matter what. Still, I don't think they saved any money by cutting him, so what's the harm of letting it play out? Presuming he didn't tie up a roster spot.
That said, I always leaned on the side of taking our time with making a roster decision and giving him the benefit of the doubt until more facts came out. And now I wish we had. He may never have a real NFL career but I'd rather we kept him while he was on the exempt list. If you invest in a first rounder, you might as well let the case play out. Maybe he could have been an option for us next year, if he got his head on straight.
Still, if last year's performance and the events of the offseason are predictive, don't expect a long, productive career. Let's hope he matures quickly, wherever he ends up.
But I doubt JJ feels that way, or that Baker would want to return to the Giants.
How is Miami's CB situation? Is the Broward county DA a Phins' fan?
Nod, nod, wink, wink!
You nailed it. In terms of attitude and work ethic Baker is the opposite of what Judge looks for in a player.
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He definitely put himself in the situation, but the guy was being extorted and many BBIers and people in general that watch the NFL were calling him a piece of shit, a thug, this that and the other thing.
Pretty sad but happy for Baker that he gets a clean slate.
Some real absolute pieces of shit here. Wish someone would pull up some of those threads and put people on blast. I'd love to know what reality people live in that people don't get falsely accused of things. Scary to think these are the same people that are probably too dumb to get out of jury duty or relish the thought to put these "thugs" away.
Actual victims don't typically get that pile stacked against them for no reason.
But I doubt JJ feels that way, or that Baker would want to return to the Giants.
How is Miami's CB situation? Is the Broward county DA a Phins' fan?
Nod, nod, wink, wink!
Unless we are the only team who offers him a contract, he’d probably choose a team that didn’t cut him before his charges were dropped.
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the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.
You nailed it. In terms of attitude and work ethic Baker is the opposite of what Judge looks for in a player.
This. Said a few days ago if Baker had shown more on field and/or was doing the right things at least there's no way we cut him considering this was very far from cut and dry. I doubt teams take cutting people lightly before they get their day in court unless guilt is obvious. It isn't a good look for an orginization at all as far as player relations are concerned, especially one that takes it as seriously as the Giants do.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
It also stings knowing that they could have taken DK Metcalf, OL Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford, Erik McCoy Dalton Risner, WR AJ Brown, WR Terry McLaurin etc.
More Ian:
The #Giants moved on from Baker and he’s now a free agent. More from lawyer Bradford Cohen:
“Deandre has been working out since the day of this event. He knew he was innocent of the crime. He’s been working out in case he gets signed by a team.”
The NFL has not yet weighed in.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
This isn't Madden. Professional athletes aren't known to be ego less. If some team cut me before I got my day in court I'd tell them to show me the money. Pretty moot point, he essentially got cut because his play wasn't good nor was he doing the right things, he's 100% not a Judge guy.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
None of the picks used to trade up for Baker were from the Beckham trade.
A little consistency in argumentation would be nice.
With what occurred, what team would not have released him? Look what happened with Quinton Dunbar. This entire thing did not make sense and we all are aware. Why was Dunbar NOT put on the exempt list? From that standpoint, and being a brand new coach, Judge did not want the distraction. I’m really not sure why if Baker was put on the exempt list, why he was cut unless it was due to cap reasons being a first round pick. Would Baker hold that grudge? I honestly do not know and I do not think he should. With Dunbar being allowed to play/ charges dropped so quickly for him and Baker not having the charges dropped, other teams would have cut him as well. Giants NEED a CB2 very badly. I truly hope Judge at least speaks with Baker to explain the situation and that he was put in a bad spot as a brand new coach and sees where he is at.
A little consistency in argumentation would be nice.
Yes and I expect several who were bashing Gettleman for drafting him will begin bashing him for not re-signing him.
This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.
Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
+1
First round picks are huge investments (especially moving up) to just chalk this up to a wasted pick. We obviously saw something in Baker and I would imagine a kid who almost lost it all will be playing with a chip on his shoulder- especially if it's for the team that gave him a second chance. Call him Gettleman
Seems like most people are acknowledging he was probably cut for character and attitude reasons. Baker was a player who had character and attitude red flags coming out of Georgia. Are we allowed to criticize Gettleman for that?
Judge worked hard to build up the locker room and get rid of anyone who wasn’t willing to put in the work. Does Baker seem like someone Judge will want to bring into the locker room during a potential playoff push?
That’s not how it works. They cut bait, he’s free to sign anywhere.
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Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!
Seems like most people are acknowledging he was probably cut for character and attitude reasons. Baker was a player who had character and attitude red flags coming out of Georgia. Are we allowed to criticize Gettleman for that?
Of course you are. There were some that implied that Gettleman should have know that Baker was going to commit armed robbery because he was late to meetings in college.
Witnesses and victims recanting.
Lawyers extorting and receiving money for the same.
No admission of guilt.
The case is so muddled that the odds of a conviction are virtually nil.
Enjoy your free ride D.
Absolutely, this should have been a huge wake up call for Baker. He thought that his entire career and potentially tens of millions of dollars were gone. If he doesn’t grow as a person and work hard moving forward then there are deeper concerns.
Hopefully the cutting him conversion went kind of something like this.
Hey Deandre,
We are going to waive you today. We want you to be able to fully focus on your legal battle without the heighten scrutiny of the NY media breathing down your neck. Go take care of you and your family right now. When the dust clears, come on back and we'll get to work.
Let's not forget, before this whole incident he was showing up late to meetings and in some instances dogging it on the field. Just because he is not facing charges doesn't mean he is a good fit for the team.
A change of scenery may do him some good. I wish him well, but I don't necessarily want him back with the Giants.
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... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
Lol....so the narrative is now that we should have let it play out? 99.9% of BBI wanted him cut the day the news came out.
Actually, it was much more divided than that, but of course that doesn't fit YOUR narrative.
There were definitely many people who wanted him cut - I was one of them - but it was not 99.9%. It might not have even been a majority. There was a very large group of posters who were very clearly advocating exactly the suggestion that we should let it play out.
And those posters may well have been correct, so they should feel free to mention that now that the charges have been dropped.
I'm not sure what the purpose is of inventing an alternate version of reality so that you can try to make a point that doesn't actually exist.
interesting point on the finances, could indicate they parted ways on "relatively good" terms
If you are Baker, where do you go?
Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.
or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?
or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?
is there a coach out there that you want to work with?
do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?
Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
A little consistency in argumentation would be nice.
On the flip side, the wait and see crowd didn’t complain when he got cut.
If the giants and Joe judge are interested, then I am sure they will have a long sit down with him and lay out all expectations and decide from there.
I don't think all doors are closed to bringing him back
It is so true, we wasted a first round pick based on what, a good press cycle, so people could say "wow, the giants don't tolerate this crap." Baker will be back in the league if the situations resolves in his favor (as it did), why not just keep the option, especially because there is no downside to it, other than a few reporters saying bad things about your organization for a couple of days. Let him go on the commissioner exemption list and then. make a decision when the case is resolved.
If you are Baker, where do you go?
Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.
or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?
or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?
is there a coach out there that you want to work with?
do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?
Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
In what world does it show "character" to resign with the Giants. You could really make the argument the Giants did him dirty and was just listening to that ass clown Pat Lenord on the Fan and the team is already out there putting their spin on it to make sure this doesn't hurt player relations. I'd question any competitive athlete that decides to go back into that situation. If it were me I'd tell them loyalty? show me the loyalty by offering the biggest offer. And this isn't to say we shouldn't have cut him, he's been underwhelming and he has character and work ethic issues that are real.
I'm sure some team will see value in giving him a shot, but I think he put enough loafing on tape to scare a lot of teams off.
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There have been a few NFL teams asking around about DeAndre Baker in recent weeks, according to a source close to the ex-Giants CB. ... The Giants were not one of them. There's been no contact between them and his camp since he was released in early September.
Good luck to him elsewhere.
I'm with you. Most people just wrote him off because he wasn't good with Denver.
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It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.
interesting point on the finances, could indicate they parted ways on "relatively good" terms
They didn't go after the finances because in order to do that he would have needed to be guilty in court. You can't recoup those for merely being charged with a crime.
One of BBI's most shameful threads and that's an olympic class bar but you guys sailed over it with room to spare!
While I agree he has improved, he's improved to the point where he is now not a bad backup. Maybe he can keep going but i think he's bound to hit a ceiling and i think that is sooner rather than later (if he hasn't already). I could be wrong though as he was in 100% of the snap count(67 plays) according to Giants Wire.
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Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.
If you are Baker, where do you go?
Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.
or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?
or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?
is there a coach out there that you want to work with?
do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?
Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
In what world does it show "character" to resign with the Giants. You could really make the argument the Giants did him dirty and was just listening to that ass clown Pat Lenord on the Fan and the team is already out there putting their spin on it to make sure this doesn't hurt player relations. I'd question any competitive athlete that decides to go back into that situation. If it were me I'd tell them loyalty? show me the loyalty by offering the biggest offer. And this isn't to say we shouldn't have cut him, he's been underwhelming and he has character and work ethic issues that are real.
Honestly if I'm him I stay far away from NY media and fans. They are relentless and always looking for the negative story. The Giants aren't the easy choice, there would have to be an inner desire within him to face this head on and pick right up where he left off. He can go to Jacksonville and never have to answer a single question about this again.
I wasn't trying to say it was less character to go somewhere else. Just that I would have much respect for him if he came back to the Giants, because the easier path is somewhere else.
it was a First round pick....sheesh
also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
I think the Giants need to "pass" on him at this point. I am not sure anyone will sign him right away until they are clear on the NFL's thoughts.
You cant compare the old days with today's times. If LT did what he did then but did it in today's times with Social Media we would barely know who LT is because would probably be in jail and kicked out of the league.
I am not resting my case on morality of pro athletes but the higher standard there is because players today are under the microscope. Ernie Holmes of the Steelers shot at a Police Helicopter in 1973 and hit a cop. Do you think the Steelers would have kept him around if that happened today?
Apples vs Oranges the standards have changed.
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A 2nd round pick cut for no reason......sheesh...
it was a First round pick....sheesh
also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
Oh yeah, we moved up to the 1st round....even worse!
Do you think Baker is the only giant who has attended a party instead of social distancing?
Hopefully he learns from his mistakes
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A 2nd round pick cut for no reason......sheesh...
it was a First round pick....sheesh
also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
Oh yeah, we moved up to the 1st round....even worse!
Do you think Baker is the only giant who has attended a party instead of social distancing?
So how many parties have you been at this year that could have put you in a situation that would have gotten you indicted for a possible 10 year sentence. This was not just some kind on run of the mill hangout. The lesson here is not to put yourself in a dumb situation regardless. Also a lot of players are social distancing or else the Covid numbers in the NFL would be out of control and the season would already be in ruins.
I hope Baker learned his lesson, and I hope he makes smarter choices in the future, but I not going to say it was a bad idea to cut bait with a bad apple who was not listening to the coaches or the organization. I am sure the Giants talk to him and his lawyers and they probably did do a very good job of selling on clear Baker was of the situation he was in. Unless you really believe he just went to some party and brought his little madden game to show some people how cool it was.
I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.
And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.
As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.
And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.
As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
Baker said he would love to return to the Giants.
He is already attracting interest from several teams.
I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.
And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.
As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
I would have been ok with waiting it out but I trust they had their reasons. They may have asked him some questions about the incident and asked him to be honest and they found out he wasnt telling the truth. It could be that simple. The Giants are not going to air the dirty laundry on the player because that is also bad for business.
Baker said he would love to return to the Giants.
He is already attracting interest from several teams.
Prodigal son returns?
DeAndre Baker
Multiple robbery charges against former Giants cornerback DeAndre Baker have been dropped as the attorney for the alleged victims was arrested for an alleged extortion attempt