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All charges against Deandre Baker dropped...

Josh in the City : 11/16/2020 10:53 am
Kick the tires?
btw...  
Josh in the City : 11/16/2020 10:54 am : link
here's the tweet from Raanan:

@JordanRaanan
All charges against DeAndre Baker are being dropped, per the Broward State Attorney’s Office.
Twitter - ( New Window )
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ryanmkeane : 11/16/2020 10:54 am : link
but I thought he was a thug?
Good for him. Maybe he will grow up now and start concentrating  
PatersonPlank : 11/16/2020 10:55 am : link
on being a better NFL player (you know his career).
So  
crick n NC : 11/16/2020 10:55 am : link
Why not bring him back?
I'd kick the tires. He'd be cheaper now  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/16/2020 10:55 am : link
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Seems like we should have just let it play out  
Essex : 11/16/2020 10:55 am : link
... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.
Why  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2020 10:56 am : link
would Baker want to come back? Other teams will offer him a spot with a clean slate.
RE: ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:56 am : link
In comment 15047376 ryanmkeane said:
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but I thought he was a thug?


I think the narrative was that he was a known felon-in-the-making at the draft!!
This entire case is bizarre..  
Sean : 11/16/2020 10:56 am : link
I’m sure he wants a fresh start elsewhere.
RE: Why  
bumpsinthenight : 11/16/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 15047384 Jon in NYC said:
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would Baker want to come back? Other teams will offer him a spot with a clean slate.


This 🔝
He was cut  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/16/2020 10:57 am : link
Time to move on.
RE: Seems like we should have just let it play out  
ryanmkeane : 11/16/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 15047383 Essex said:
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... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.

Lol....so the narrative is now that we should have let it play out? 99.9% of BBI wanted him cut the day the news came out.
RE: RE: ..  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 15047386 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15047376 ryanmkeane said:


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but I thought he was a thug?



I think the narrative was that he was a known felon-in-the-making at the draft!!

Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!
He's  
AcidTest : 11/16/2020 10:58 am : link
not coming back. As others have said, he'll want a fresh start elsewhere, which is understandable. Wish him the best.
While..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:59 am : link
the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.
damn poor guy had his life almost ruined  
Eric on Li : 11/16/2020 10:59 am : link
hope he gets a real good comeback story.
yeah he was cut and we've moved on  
UConn4523 : 11/16/2020 10:59 am : link
but this was really shitty all around.

He definitely put himself in the situation, but the guy was being extorted and many BBIers and people in general that watch the NFL were calling him a piece of shit, a thug, this that and the other thing.

Pretty sad but happy for Baker that he gets a clean slate.
He’s not coming back lol  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 10:59 am : link
Even if he is completely innocent Judge will not want a player who doesn’t work hard and is late/skips team meetings.
RE: Seems like we should have just let it play out  
sphinx : 11/16/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 15047383 Essex said:
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... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.

+1
RE: Seems like we should have just let it play out  
Enzo : 11/16/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 15047383 Essex said:
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... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.

I recall this being brought up 2 months ago when he was released. It was clearly a fluid situation with lots of moving parts....why not just wait and see how it plays out? Were they just worried about the bad PR?
RE: While..  
rocco8112 : 11/16/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 15047397 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.


this makes sense
I was also somewhat surprised  
fkap : 11/16/2020 11:03 am : link
by cutting him rather than letting it play out.

However, IMO, he may not be charged, but he's probably not all that innocent. I don't think there's any chance he emerges as a wronged victim.

It is quite possible the Giants decided to steer clear no matter what. Still, I don't think they saved any money by cutting him, so what's the harm of letting it play out? Presuming he didn't tie up a roster spot.
What a massive mistake DG did cutting Baker!  
George from PA : 11/16/2020 11:05 am : link
Sarcasm off😁
First, this doesn't prove that  
Pego61 : 11/16/2020 11:06 am : link
Baker didn't do anything wrong. It proves that the victims were not good people and the state would not be able to prove its case.

That said, I always leaned on the side of taking our time with making a roster decision and giving him the benefit of the doubt until more facts came out. And now I wish we had. He may never have a real NFL career but I'd rather we kept him while he was on the exempt list. If you invest in a first rounder, you might as well let the case play out. Maybe he could have been an option for us next year, if he got his head on straight.

Still, if last year's performance and the events of the offseason are predictive, don't expect a long, productive career. Let's hope he matures quickly, wherever he ends up.
Given the state of our #2 CB and the personnel  
BelieveJJ : 11/16/2020 11:06 am : link
we've trotted out there to play that position, IMO talking with him would be a prudent move.

But I doubt JJ feels that way, or that Baker would want to return to the Giants.

How is Miami's CB situation? Is the Broward county DA a Phins' fan?

Nod, nod, wink, wink!
RE: While..  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 15047397 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.

You nailed it. In terms of attitude and work ethic Baker is the opposite of what Judge looks for in a player.
Gettleman is prolly lobbying JJ  
BelieveJJ : 11/16/2020 11:09 am : link
ad we speak...

🤨😒🤔
Again, what a weird, weird  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2020 11:10 am : link
Set of events. That said, good luck to him restarting his career elsewhere.
RE: yeah he was cut and we've moved on  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 15047400 UConn4523 said:
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but this was really shitty all around.

He definitely put himself in the situation, but the guy was being extorted and many BBIers and people in general that watch the NFL were calling him a piece of shit, a thug, this that and the other thing.

Pretty sad but happy for Baker that he gets a clean slate.


Some real absolute pieces of shit here. Wish someone would pull up some of those threads and put people on blast. I'd love to know what reality people live in that people don't get falsely accused of things. Scary to think these are the same people that are probably too dumb to get out of jury duty or relish the thought to put these "thugs" away.
His poor judgement  
JonC : 11/16/2020 11:11 am : link
and apparently poor work ethic screwed the Giants. Got no issue moving on, it's just tough to eat getting zero out of three draft picks on the backside.
I doubt he was falsely accused across the board  
JonC : 11/16/2020 11:13 am : link
that's where many here need to mind their words and opinions.
Actual victims don't typically get that pile stacked against them for no reason.
RE: Given the state of our #2 CB and the personnel  
RicFlair : 11/16/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 15047421 BelieveJJ said:
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we've trotted out there to play that position, IMO talking with him would be a prudent move.

But I doubt JJ feels that way, or that Baker would want to return to the Giants.

How is Miami's CB situation? Is the Broward county DA a Phins' fan?

Nod, nod, wink, wink!




Unless we are the only team who offers him a contract, he’d probably choose a team that didn’t cut him before his charges were dropped.
Whelp, I a have been proven an idiot  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/16/2020 11:14 am : link
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RE: RE: While..  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 11:14 am : link
In comment 15047423 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15047397 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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the arrest was what directly led to his release, I'm sure there were impressions the staff had of him based on last season and his attitude towards the offseason meetings that gave them a convenient reason to release him.


You nailed it. In terms of attitude and work ethic Baker is the opposite of what Judge looks for in a player.


This. Said a few days ago if Baker had shown more on field and/or was doing the right things at least there's no way we cut him considering this was very far from cut and dry. I doubt teams take cutting people lightly before they get their day in court unless guilt is obvious. It isn't a good look for an orginization at all as far as player relations are concerned, especially one that takes it as seriously as the Giants do.
CB2 is a huge hole  
Sonic Youth : 11/16/2020 11:17 am : link
Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.

This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.

Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.
Ian Rapoport :  
sphinx : 11/16/2020 11:18 am : link
Spoke with Bradford Cohen, lawyer for ex-#Giants CB Deandre Baker: "I’ve been saying this from Day 1, that this was an extortion scheme and that Deandre was the victim. This event did not play out as they insinuated. And the case was dismissed."

RE: His poor judgement  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 15047435 JonC said:
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and apparently poor work ethic screwed the Giants. Got no issue moving on, it's just tough to eat getting zero out of three draft picks on the backside.

It also stings knowing that they could have taken DK Metcalf, OL Jawaan Taylor, Cody Ford, Erik McCoy Dalton Risner, WR AJ Brown, WR Terry McLaurin etc.
Not sure why we gave up his rights for nothing  
Metnut : 11/16/2020 11:19 am : link
He wasn’t near the team anyway, so there was no risk of a distraction.
RE: Ian Rapoport :  
sphinx : 11/16/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 15047456 sphinx said:
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Spoke with Bradford Cohen, lawyer for ex-#Giants CB Deandre Baker: "I’ve been saying this from Day 1, that this was an extortion scheme and that Deandre was the victim. This event did not play out as they insinuated. And the case was dismissed."

More Ian:
The #Giants moved on from Baker and he’s now a free agent. More from lawyer Bradford Cohen:
“Deandre has been working out since the day of this event. He knew he was innocent of the crime. He’s been working out in case he gets signed by a team.”

The NFL has not yet weighed in.

RE: CB2 is a huge hole  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 15047450 Sonic Youth said:
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Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.

This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.

Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.


This isn't Madden. Professional athletes aren't known to be ego less. If some team cut me before I got my day in court I'd tell them to show me the money. Pretty moot point, he essentially got cut because his play wasn't good nor was he doing the right things, he's 100% not a Judge guy.
RE: CB2 is a huge hole  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 15047450 Sonic Youth said:
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Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.

This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.

Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.

None of the picks used to trade up for Baker were from the Beckham trade.
....  
2cents : 11/16/2020 11:23 am : link
what a shit break for baker, hope that scumbag lawyer gets what he deserved. it sucks that we gave up on him but as other's alluded to i think this episode just gave them an opportunity to cut ties due other reasons. that said i wouldn't hate a reunion.
The attorney for the alleged victims is now under arrest  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/16/2020 11:23 am : link
And being charged with extortion.
A couple..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 11:23 am : link
of posters, on this thread alone, demanded for Baker to be cut when the allegations were made and now want him back on the team.

A little consistency in argumentation would be nice.
Forget Baker  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:25 am : link
I wish that the Giants would call Sam Beal and try to convince him to opt-in.
Here’s my opinion  
UGADawgs7 : 11/16/2020 11:25 am : link
As a HUGE Georgia fan so yes I’m biased.
With what occurred, what team would not have released him? Look what happened with Quinton Dunbar. This entire thing did not make sense and we all are aware. Why was Dunbar NOT put on the exempt list? From that standpoint, and being a brand new coach, Judge did not want the distraction. I’m really not sure why if Baker was put on the exempt list, why he was cut unless it was due to cap reasons being a first round pick. Would Baker hold that grudge? I honestly do not know and I do not think he should. With Dunbar being allowed to play/ charges dropped so quickly for him and Baker not having the charges dropped, other teams would have cut him as well. Giants NEED a CB2 very badly. I truly hope Judge at least speaks with Baker to explain the situation and that he was put in a bad spot as a brand new coach and sees where he is at.
RE: A couple..  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:26 am : link
In comment 15047472 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of posters, on this thread alone, demanded for Baker to be cut when the allegations were made and now want him back on the team.

A little consistency in argumentation would be nice.

Yes and I expect several who were bashing Gettleman for drafting him will begin bashing him for not re-signing him.
Seems to me Giants  
bc4life : 11/16/2020 11:27 am : link
should have first rights on this guy.
RE: CB2 is a huge hole  
Football Giants : 11/16/2020 11:28 am : link
In comment 15047450 Sonic Youth said:
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Whether he should or should not have been cut is irrelevant now. Unless Judge totally despises him as a player, we should explore bringing him back.

This was a 1st round pick with assets used from the OBJ trade to get him. Nobody has stepped up to fill the area he resided in the long term plan moving forward.

Hope NYG at least gives a call. Who knows, he might not want to come back, but I hope it's explored - sometimes, these types of brushes with irrelevance and career destruction get people's heads on straight.


+1

First round picks are huge investments (especially moving up) to just chalk this up to a wasted pick. We obviously saw something in Baker and I would imagine a kid who almost lost it all will be playing with a chip on his shoulder- especially if it's for the team that gave him a second chance. Call him Gettleman
RE: RE: RE: ..  
widmerseyebrow : 11/16/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 15047394 Jay on the Island said:
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Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!


Seems like most people are acknowledging he was probably cut for character and attitude reasons. Baker was a player who had character and attitude red flags coming out of Georgia. Are we allowed to criticize Gettleman for that?
Whether  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:30 am : link
Anyone believes that Baker should be brought back is irrelevant. Joe Judge demands 100% commitment from his players. If a player doesn’t buy into his program and work hard they will not be on the team.

Judge worked hard to build up the locker room and get rid of anyone who wasn’t willing to put in the work. Does Baker seem like someone Judge will want to bring into the locker room during a potential playoff push?

wonder what the deal will be  
bc4life : 11/16/2020 11:31 am : link
what will he be signed for versus what was his rookie contract worth?
RE: Seems to me Giants  
Saquads26 : 11/16/2020 11:31 am : link
In comment 15047487 bc4life said:
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should have first rights on this guy.


That’s not how it works. They cut bait, he’s free to sign anywhere.
Jay on the Island  
bc4life : 11/16/2020 11:32 am : link
This was one helluva experience for Baker - might not be the same kid we drafted
Smh omfg  
90.Cal : 11/16/2020 11:32 am : link
Can't believe it.
of course you can  
UConn4523 : 11/16/2020 11:32 am : link
and its deserving. But go back to the earlier Baker threads for a good laugh. People basically wanted to put him on death row.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ..  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:32 am : link
In comment 15047491 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 15047394 Jay on the Island said:


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Yes, some suggested Gettleman should have seen this coming because he skipped a few team meetings in college. Everyone knows that skipping team meetings is a gateway to armed robbery!



Seems like most people are acknowledging he was probably cut for character and attitude reasons. Baker was a player who had character and attitude red flags coming out of Georgia. Are we allowed to criticize Gettleman for that?

Of course you are. There were some that implied that Gettleman should have know that Baker was going to commit armed robbery because he was late to meetings in college.
Somewhat expected.  
MOOPS : 11/16/2020 11:34 am : link
How are you going to prosecute a case you have no chance of winning?

Witnesses and victims recanting.
Lawyers extorting and receiving money for the same.
No admission of guilt.

The case is so muddled that the odds of a conviction are virtually nil.
Enjoy your free ride D.

RE: Jay on the Island  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 15047502 bc4life said:
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This was one helluva experience for Baker - might not be the same kid we drafted

Absolutely, this should have been a huge wake up call for Baker. He thought that his entire career and potentially tens of millions of dollars were gone. If he doesn’t grow as a person and work hard moving forward then there are deeper concerns.
I'd like to bring him back. He has talent, let this coaching staff  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 11:35 am : link
bring it out.

Hopefully the cutting him conversion went kind of something like this.

Hey Deandre,

We are going to waive you today. We want you to be able to fully focus on your legal battle without the heighten scrutiny of the NY media breathing down your neck. Go take care of you and your family right now. When the dust clears, come on back and we'll get to work.
Just because the charges were dropped  
Mike from Ohio : 11/16/2020 11:35 am : link
doesn't mean that he was an innocent victim of the system. Dropping charges could mean they thought he actually did nothing wrong, or they couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Because they were dropped he should be free to pursue his NFL career, but that doesn't mean it should be with the Giants.

Let's not forget, before this whole incident he was showing up late to meetings and in some instances dogging it on the field. Just because he is not facing charges doesn't mean he is a good fit for the team.

A change of scenery may do him some good. I wish him well, but I don't necessarily want him back with the Giants.
If he's got his head on straight  
bc4life : 11/16/2020 11:36 am : link
He's worth a look.
again  
bc4life : 11/16/2020 11:37 am : link
what will a FA contract look like versus his rookie contract?
RE: RE: Seems like we should have just let it play out  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/16/2020 11:38 am : link
In comment 15047392 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 15047383 Essex said:


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... it was a first round draft pick. What was the downside to waiting especially if he was on the commissioners exempt list or whatever that is called.


Lol....so the narrative is now that we should have let it play out? 99.9% of BBI wanted him cut the day the news came out.

Actually, it was much more divided than that, but of course that doesn't fit YOUR narrative.

There were definitely many people who wanted him cut - I was one of them - but it was not 99.9%. It might not have even been a majority. There was a very large group of posters who were very clearly advocating exactly the suggestion that we should let it play out.

And those posters may well have been correct, so they should feel free to mention that now that the charges have been dropped.

I'm not sure what the purpose is of inventing an alternate version of reality so that you can try to make a point that doesn't actually exist.
The Giants have a chance to bring him back  
Captplanet : 11/16/2020 11:41 am : link
It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.

Cleared of charges  
David B. : 11/16/2020 11:50 am : link
Does the NFL let him skate on suspensions for "tarnishing the shield," since he's already missed 10 games of his rookie season?
RE: The Giants have a chance to bring him back  
2cents : 11/16/2020 11:51 am : link
In comment 15047534 Captplanet said:
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It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.



interesting point on the finances, could indicate they parted ways on "relatively good" terms
Put yourself in Bakers shoes  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 12:02 pm : link
Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.

If you are Baker, where do you go?

Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.

or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?

or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?

is there a coach out there that you want to work with?

do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?

Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.
RE: A couple..  
ron mexico : 11/16/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15047472 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of posters, on this thread alone, demanded for Baker to be cut when the allegations were made and now want him back on the team.

A little consistency in argumentation would be nice.


On the flip side, the wait and see crowd didn’t complain when he got cut.
The narrative  
TrueBlue56 : 11/16/2020 12:11 pm : link
never made sense from the beginning and only got stranger as more reports came out. As far as baker goes, the giants have been consistent in saying that baker needed to focus on the legal issues. I don't know what the conversations were like with the giants and baker prior to him being released, but i don't think it was under bad terms.

If the giants and Joe judge are interested, then I am sure they will have a long sit down with him and lay out all expectations and decide from there.

I don't think all doors are closed to bringing him back
This is what I don't understand about cancel culture  
Knineteen : 11/16/2020 12:14 pm : link
The Giants effectively wasted a first round pick and more to satisfy the mob. So now what?! I don't know how innocent Baker is in all of this but axing the kid has made this situation even shittier for all involved.
RE: This is what I don't understand about cancel culture  
Essex : 11/16/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 15047636 Knineteen said:
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The Giants effectively wasted a first round pick and more to satisfy the mob. So now what?! I don't know how innocent Baker is in all of this but axing the kid has made this situation even shittier for all involved.


It is so true, we wasted a first round pick based on what, a good press cycle, so people could say "wow, the giants don't tolerate this crap." Baker will be back in the league if the situations resolves in his favor (as it did), why not just keep the option, especially because there is no downside to it, other than a few reporters saying bad things about your organization for a couple of days. Let him go on the commissioner exemption list and then. make a decision when the case is resolved.
I'd investigate it. He didn't have a bad rep coming out of GA.  
Victor in CT : 11/16/2020 12:23 pm : link
They once signed Christian Peter. Is this worse?
RE: Put yourself in Bakers shoes  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15047596 rasbutant said:
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Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.

If you are Baker, where do you go?

Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.

or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?

or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?

is there a coach out there that you want to work with?

do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?

Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.


In what world does it show "character" to resign with the Giants. You could really make the argument the Giants did him dirty and was just listening to that ass clown Pat Lenord on the Fan and the team is already out there putting their spin on it to make sure this doesn't hurt player relations. I'd question any competitive athlete that decides to go back into that situation. If it were me I'd tell them loyalty? show me the loyalty by offering the biggest offer. And this isn't to say we shouldn't have cut him, he's been underwhelming and he has character and work ethic issues that are real.
What turns me off about Baker was his performance last year  
Dinger : 11/16/2020 12:35 pm : link
You can blame Betcher and his defense, but Baker looked lost the entire year and he was a 1st round pick. He never 'flashed' talent or showed a reason to be a 1st round pick. Then there were stories about how he was 'bad in the locker/film room', which I try to take with a grain of salt. Then this whole episode happened and I thought, 'well this doesn't help his cause'. I want a 1st rounder to work out, especially at a position that you can never have enough depth, and when they cut him, I figured, well they know more about him than I do and its probably better to get this whole drama away from a 1st year 1st time head coach, but still hated cutting him. If there is a DC who could have gotten more out of Baker its Graham. I just don't think its a good idea to bring him back if that was a possibilty. Everyone needs to move on. Hopefully he learns from whatever mistakes he made with that situation and can move on. My lasting worry with the Baker pick is that there was/is a personality thing there and DG/Giants personnel missed it. If thats not the case, phew. But if so, are we using the whole wonderlic or anything else there?
He was horrible  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/16/2020 12:41 pm : link
Last year and took plays off or decided he didn't want to tackle people.

I'm sure some team will see value in giving him a shot, but I think he put enough loafing on tape to scare a lot of teams off.
What About the League?  
Samiam : 11/16/2020 12:42 pm : link
Hard to believe the Giants dropped Baker solely on the basis of a prosecution. The NFL could still pursue a suspension if they believe the case was dropped because the States attorneys believed they could not win. The league doesnt require innocent until proven guilty, they can act. Theres alot about this case that still smells.
nope  
giantfan2000 : 11/16/2020 12:52 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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There have been a few NFL teams asking around about DeAndre Baker in recent weeks, according to a source close to the ex-Giants CB. ... The Giants were not one of them. There's been no contact between them and his camp since he was released in early September.
This site needs  
hammock man : 11/16/2020 1:11 pm : link
more Isaac Yiadom fans. His weekly improvement is unappreciated.
Well there ya go  
allstarjim : 11/16/2020 1:19 pm : link
https://www.nfl.com/news/armed-robbery-charges-against-former-giants-cb-deandre-baker-dropped

Good luck to him elsewhere.
RE: This site needs  
allstarjim : 11/16/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15047748 hammock man said:
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more Isaac Yiadom fans. His weekly improvement is unappreciated.


I'm with you. Most people just wrote him off because he wasn't good with Denver.
RE: RE: The Giants have a chance to bring him back  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15047564 2cents said:
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It's slim but they do have a chance. The Giants did not cut baker until September when he was officially charged. A move every team would have done. The Giants would have been within their rights to go after the signing bonus and guaranteed money that they paid him. To the best of my knowledge, they did not pursue reimbursement. Hopefully, they have been in contact with Baker through out this process. I hope we can bring him back. He's a first round talent. A 22-year-old with a second chance at life. The type of man to man corner that Joe Judge and Graham love.





interesting point on the finances, could indicate they parted ways on "relatively good" terms


They didn't go after the finances because in order to do that he would have needed to be guilty in court. You can't recoup those for merely being charged with a crime.
Very upset now  
5BowlsSoon : 11/16/2020 1:25 pm : link
A 2nd round pick cut for no reason......sheesh...
.  
GiantEgo : 11/16/2020 1:27 pm : link
The intellectual dishonesty and craven opportunism on this thread say everything one needs to know about America 2020.

One of BBI's most shameful threads and that's an olympic class bar but you guys sailed over it with room to spare!

RE: This site needs  
Dinger : 11/16/2020 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15047748 hammock man said:
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more Isaac Yiadom fans. His weekly improvement is unappreciated.


While I agree he has improved, he's improved to the point where he is now not a bad backup. Maybe he can keep going but i think he's bound to hit a ceiling and i think that is sooner rather than later (if he hasn't already). I could be wrong though as he was in 100% of the snap count(67 plays) according to Giants Wire.
RE: RE: Put yourself in Bakers shoes  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 1:45 pm : link
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Guessing he will start on the practice squad for any team he signs with. Lets just assume that every team would take him at league min cost.

If you are Baker, where do you go?

Back to the Giants, the team that drafted you, traded up for you, do you have loyalty towards that, and something to prove/unfinished business? I think this choice would show the most character and a drive to face a challenge head on.

or do you, sign with Miami or Atlanta because its close to home?

or do you sign with a contender so you can get a ring?

is there a coach out there that you want to work with?

do you stay away from Seattle because Dunbar is there?

Well be interesting to see what he decides. I hope its the Giants though.



In what world does it show "character" to resign with the Giants. You could really make the argument the Giants did him dirty and was just listening to that ass clown Pat Lenord on the Fan and the team is already out there putting their spin on it to make sure this doesn't hurt player relations. I'd question any competitive athlete that decides to go back into that situation. If it were me I'd tell them loyalty? show me the loyalty by offering the biggest offer. And this isn't to say we shouldn't have cut him, he's been underwhelming and he has character and work ethic issues that are real.


Honestly if I'm him I stay far away from NY media and fans. They are relentless and always looking for the negative story. The Giants aren't the easy choice, there would have to be an inner desire within him to face this head on and pick right up where he left off. He can go to Jacksonville and never have to answer a single question about this again.

I wasn't trying to say it was less character to go somewhere else. Just that I would have much respect for him if he came back to the Giants, because the easier path is somewhere else.
RE: Very upset now  
SteelGiant : 11/16/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15047791 5BowlsSoon said:
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A 2nd round pick cut for no reason......sheesh...


it was a First round pick....sheesh

also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh
I don't know if possible  
montanagiant : 11/16/2020 2:04 pm : link
But if I were him I sure would be looking into a serious lawsuit over lost revenue due to this
I love folks sitting around ...  
Jim from Katonah : 11/16/2020 2:12 pm : link
... in their LT jerseys opining on what a bad guy Baker is. Enough with the the selective purity/morality tests concerning pro athletes.

I'm happy for Baker if indeed he isn't guilty of anything but being a  
SGMen : 11/16/2020 2:12 pm : link
young man in the wrong place.

I think the Giants need to "pass" on him at this point. I am not sure anyone will sign him right away until they are clear on the NFL's thoughts.
RE: I love folks sitting around ...  
SteelGiant : 11/16/2020 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15047919 Jim from Katonah said:
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... in their LT jerseys opining on what a bad guy Baker is. Enough with the the selective purity/morality tests concerning pro athletes.


You cant compare the old days with today's times. If LT did what he did then but did it in today's times with Social Media we would barely know who LT is because would probably be in jail and kicked out of the league.

I am not resting my case on morality of pro athletes but the higher standard there is because players today are under the microscope. Ernie Holmes of the Steelers shot at a Police Helicopter in 1973 and hit a cop. Do you think the Steelers would have kept him around if that happened today?

Apples vs Oranges the standards have changed.
Let’s be fair though  
ajr2456 : 11/16/2020 2:46 pm : link
The arrest was the cherry on top of a lot of frustration with Baker. If his reported habit of missing meetings and laziness didn’t occur they might have waited until the legal process played out to cut him.
RE: RE: Very upset now  
5BowlsSoon : 11/16/2020 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15047886 SteelGiant said:
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A 2nd round pick cut for no reason......sheesh...



it was a First round pick....sheesh

also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh


Oh yeah, we moved up to the 1st round....even worse!

Do you think Baker is the only giant who has attended a party instead of social distancing?
Good for him.  
Matt M. : 11/16/2020 2:53 pm : link
But, I don't think the Giants made the wrong call here. The circumstances under which the charges arose and have been dropped have all been hazy. There is a very good chance he was at the very least in a very poor position and showed very poor judgement. However, 2 significant factors for his release were his attitude and work ethic. Let's see him surface somewhere as a reclamation project first.
We should focus on his ability on the field...  
EricJ : 11/16/2020 3:02 pm : link
in our discussions here and leave the rest for Judge to judge.


I hope he finds a good place to play  
Boatie Warrant : 11/16/2020 3:27 pm : link
I wish it would still be with the NYG but I can see why he would not.

Hopefully he learns from his mistakes
Giants jumped the gun  
bluesince56 : 11/16/2020 3:28 pm : link
Should have waited before cutting him. First round pick. Too expensive to just drop. They should have sat back and waited. What was the rush?
RE: RE: RE: Very upset now  
SteelGiant : 11/16/2020 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15047979 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 15047791 5BowlsSoon said:


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A 2nd round pick cut for no reason......sheesh...



it was a First round pick....sheesh

also he was cut because he was not paying attention in meetings with the prior coaching staff and went to a large house party during a pandemic when players were asked to social distance themselves and got involved with some bad people in a illegal gambling ring....sheesh



Oh yeah, we moved up to the 1st round....even worse!

Do you think Baker is the only giant who has attended a party instead of social distancing?


So how many parties have you been at this year that could have put you in a situation that would have gotten you indicted for a possible 10 year sentence. This was not just some kind on run of the mill hangout. The lesson here is not to put yourself in a dumb situation regardless. Also a lot of players are social distancing or else the Covid numbers in the NFL would be out of control and the season would already be in ruins.

I hope Baker learned his lesson, and I hope he makes smarter choices in the future, but I not going to say it was a bad idea to cut bait with a bad apple who was not listening to the coaches or the organization. I am sure the Giants talk to him and his lawyers and they probably did do a very good job of selling on clear Baker was of the situation he was in. Unless you really believe he just went to some party and brought his little madden game to show some people how cool it was.
Josh  
pjcas18 : 11/16/2020 3:39 pm : link
Brown had all his charges dropped too as did Greg Hardy. Sometimes that doesn't mean what some of you think it means.

I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.

And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.

As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
RE: Josh  
Matt M. : 11/16/2020 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15048061 pjcas18 said:
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Brown had all his charges dropped too as did Greg Hardy. Sometimes that doesn't mean what some of you think it means.

I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.

And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.

As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.
Good post. It may not even mean the DA thinks they will lose. But, with the craziness around this case, it may be impossible to determine if they can win or what the evidence/testimony will be tomorrow, let alone a few months from now. Why waste taxpayer money and their time? As for the Giants, they may not even know the real story. This may have just been enough on top of his terrible play, bad attitude, and bad work ethic. Their assessment may be that he is another incident waiting to happen and he isnt worth the drama.
Paul Schwartz  
sphinx : 11/16/2020 3:44 pm : link
@NYPost_Schwartz

Baker said he would love to return to the Giants.
He is already attracting interest from several teams.

RE: Josh  
SteelGiant : 11/16/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15048061 pjcas18 said:
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Brown had all his charges dropped too as did Greg Hardy. Sometimes that doesn't mean what some of you think it means.

I'm not comparing Baker to Brown or Hardy nor am I comparing their respective crimes.

And because those two others I named were likely guilty of their crime (we know Brown was) that doesn't mean Baker did anything wrong, but it also doesn't mean he didn't. It means the case against him is not one the DA thinks they can win.

As for the Giants handling of the Baker situation, my only comments were they shouldn't do anything until they absolutely have to do something. They probably did their own investigation and know the real story and made their decision.


I would have been ok with waiting it out but I trust they had their reasons. They may have asked him some questions about the incident and asked him to be honest and they found out he wasnt telling the truth. It could be that simple. The Giants are not going to air the dirty laundry on the player because that is also bad for business.
RE: Paul Schwartz  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15048071 sphinx said:
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@NYPost_Schwartz

Baker said he would love to return to the Giants.
He is already attracting interest from several teams.


Prodigal son returns?
What do the Giants do  
Dave on the UWS : 11/16/2020 4:56 pm : link
if Baker calms DG and asks for a second chance with the team?
This is interesting...not sure if the details  
pjcas18 : 11/16/2020 5:01 pm : link
about why it was dropped were shared...

DeAndre Baker
Multiple robbery charges against former Giants cornerback DeAndre Baker have been dropped as the attorney for the alleged victims was arrested for an alleged extortion attempt
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