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What's the best defense against a Hail Mary?

Lowell : 11/16/2020 11:55 am
Dating back to Brady's Hail Mary that was almost caught by Gronk in the endzone in our Super Bowl win, I've always wondered why teams only rush four or even three. It seems to me that you should rush seven and force a premature throw even before any receiver has time to reach the endzone. Even if the qb unloads before you get to him, you still have four dbs that can defend the pass in the endzone. In the event the qb is forced to dump it off short because he's out of time, you still have the four dbs available to come up and make the tackle before the receiver gets close to the endzone.

Yesterday was a perfect example. The Bills rushed four. Murray was able to get to the sidelines and Hopkins had time to get to the endzone. As elusive as Murray is I doubt he would have gotten the time he needed if three more guys were chasing him. i understand that defensive coordinators have considered this possibility and rejected it and I wonder why.

Thoughts?
a Full of Grace defense...  
BCD : 11/16/2020 11:59 am : link
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RE: a Full of Grace defense...  
BamaBlue : 11/16/2020 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15047586 BCD said:
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Yes, obviously because the Lord is with thee.
Arm dbs with hat pins...  
x meadowlander : 11/16/2020 12:05 pm : link
...stab receiver in the ass during leap.

Works every time.
Don't play against  
montanagiant : 11/16/2020 12:10 pm : link
DeAndre Hopkins or Hakeen Nicks
The best defense against a Hail Mary  
81_Great_Dane : 11/16/2020 12:10 pm : link
is a 10 point lead.
Pressure on the QB  
Mdgiantsfan : 11/16/2020 12:11 pm : link
these Hail Marys typically require the QB to by time so the WRs can get downfield. And defenses oblige by rushing 3 maybe 4.
Rush 4 wide, 2 from each side.  
MOOPS : 11/16/2020 12:16 pm : link
Spy over center, don't rush. Force QB to stay in pocket and hope in collapses to the center towards spy or forces QB to cross the LOS.
Six deep obviously.

Best? Who knows.
Put in your tallest WR and TE  
weeg in the bronx : 11/16/2020 12:16 pm : link
Having 5'10" covering 6'2" guys on what is essentially a jump ball doesn't seem to make sense. There is not running required, no tackling needed. You park your two best/largest receivers in the end zone and they wait.
against a playmaker like Murray...  
BillKo : 11/16/2020 12:19 pm : link
...I might have rushed two and kept nine back?

But Buffalo was there to make a play, they just didn't. Three men where around Hopkins. Shit happens.

That must have been one long plane ride home, jeeeeez.....
RE: Put in your tallest WR and TE  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15047644 weeg in the bronx said:
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Having 5'10" covering 6'2" guys on what is essentially a jump ball doesn't seem to make sense. There is not running required, no tackling needed. You park your two best/largest receivers in the end zone and they wait.


Put your two best jump ball guys at safety, rush 4 with a delayed blitz from LB to force some pressure. That's what I would do at least. After that you gotta trust your guys to make the play, thats it.

RE: The best defense against a Hail Mary  
Fred in Atlanta : 11/16/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15047625 81_Great_Dane said:
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is a 10 point lead.

9 point lead will do.
Best defense ?  
PEEJ : 11/16/2020 12:27 pm : link
a handful of WR jersey
Dungy indicated  
Giantfan in skinland : 11/16/2020 12:30 pm : link
That he doesn't like when teams put everyone back. He noted that the bills dbs were #0 yards off of hopkins and Larry fitz. Said he wouldn't let either of those two get a free release.
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GiantCuse : 11/16/2020 12:55 pm : link
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Having 5'10" covering 6'2" guys on what is essentially a jump ball doesn't seem to make sense. There is not running required, no tackling needed. You park your two best/largest receivers in the end zone and they wait.


But you still want some fast guys out there (potentially your short guys) in case they throw it short and do the lateral strategy.
DeAndre is probably  
Mike from SI : 11/16/2020 12:57 pm : link
the best jump ball guy since Moss, possibly somehow even better than Calvin Johnson. I watch a lot of Hopkins; he consistently wins 50-50 (or worse probability) balls. It's amazing to see.
Last year a team blitzed Dallas...  
bw in dc : 11/16/2020 1:07 pm : link
on a Hail Mary and Dak couldn't get the ball off. I think that's what happened...

Anyway, I thought it was very smart and spoiled any attempt to get off a clean throw.

So the OP's thought isn't crazy...
RE: .  
Route 9 : 11/16/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15047713 GiantCuse said:
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Having 5'10" covering 6'2" guys on what is essentially a jump ball doesn't seem to make sense. There is not running required, no tackling needed. You park your two best/largest receivers in the end zone and they wait.



But you still want some fast guys out there (potentially your short guys) in case they throw it short and do the lateral strategy.


No need to worry...

Gronk will make the game saving tackle if it comes to that.
Pressure  
OC2.0 : 11/16/2020 3:44 pm : link
5 rush 6 back
RE: Pressure  
bw in dc : 11/16/2020 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15048069 OC2.0 said:
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5 rush 6 back


I kind of like 4 DLs and 7 DBs. And use one of the corners on a corner blitz from the blind side...

With that formula, you get the 5th rusher and the element of speed to chase.
RE: DeAndre is probably  
JohnnyFlowers : 11/16/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15047716 Mike from SI said:
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the best jump ball guy since Moss, possibly somehow even better than Calvin Johnson. I watch a lot of Hopkins; he consistently wins 50-50 (or worse probability) balls. It's amazing to see.


Sign Deandre Baker and put him in coach
Maybe too out of the box but maybe out your TEs  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/16/2020 4:22 pm : link
in on pass defense?

Toilolo, Engram and SMith are all 6'3, 6'7 and 6'5.

Have them in the endzone to start and just swat the ball. No 5'10 DBs.
I like Moops thinking but don't think you need that many people  
SLIM_ : 11/16/2020 5:20 pm : link
I would overload one side - basically a Wide 9, 11 and 13 to the quarterback's front side with 3 pass rushers. As you aren't pushing the pocket, speed athleticism is more important than bulk. The goal would be to flush him out of the pocket and have him throw across his body. Once flushed one of the defender's primary job is to basically spy and prevents the QB from scrambling back to the front side.

You would have 3 people stationed at the goal line in 3rds. They need not be defensive players on the flanks but the best jumpers.

The blindside defender (only of them) would jam the receiver and then blitz off the end. The strongside lineman should be flushing him into him.

I would jam the 2 tallest receivers and then play in trail (you want to make sure they aren't tipping to a trailing receiver). The other 2 defenders are about 20 yards off the ball. They insure that there isn't any hook and ladder type play in front of them and then would defend the goal line.

The jumpers jump. The trailing players or other defenders once confirmed there are no trailing receivers play the ball on the way down trying to punch out or taking out the reciever low.

Playing against  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 5:28 pm : link
bad QBs.
Whatever defense  
fanoftheteam : 11/16/2020 5:45 pm : link
The bills did yesterday where 3 guys surround the intended target is the best defense versus a hail mary. Id watch the tape on that. Ignore Dungys hindsight remark of pressing. The guy works on television.
RE: Maybe too out of the box but maybe out your TEs  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/16/2020 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15048128 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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in on pass defense?

Toilolo, Engram and SMith are all 6'3, 6'7 and 6'5.

Have them in the endzone to start and just swat the ball. No 5'10 DBs.


You’d want your tallest athletes out there. TEs often don’t make that cut. 6 7 doesn’t mean anything if you can’t jump/high point the ball.
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widmerseyebrow : 11/16/2020 6:18 pm : link
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