and how quick he says he heals, i'm sure he will be ready by next year. Just pray he doesn't sehorn himself and injure something else in the process.
I'm willing to bet though, he won't be 100% mentally until mid season. That's why I think it's important we keep Gallman and either Freeman or Morris. It's nice to have a competent back up and not have to start a street free agent.
Look, the kid is going to be chomping at the bit to come back early because the running game is looking good. Don't let him come back too early. Running back by committee is fine until he is ready to go.
Along with others, working Barkley in slowly at first should work well
Makes sense to try to get saquon 10-15 touches and go from there
Should be on opening day roster, but wouldn’t rush it.
Barkley back - we'll need a RBBC philosophy. Usually takes a year to get back up to full speed and mentally trust the healing, plus we don't want him to reinsure himself.
If we lose Gallman, are we looking at another RB in the draft (say rounds 3-4?)
Having gone through this operation myself, it takes a while. I was certainly no pro athlete, but you need to listen to your body during rehab. Nowadays, 9-10 months isn't unheard of getting back on the field, so August might be achievable
I'd like the Giants to split him out more often. If you run a two-back set with Barkley and another back, you can shift Barkley or put him in motion.
I think Barkley is very dangerous as a receiver and his versatility should help with Judge's philosophy of presenting multiple looks and varying the game plan week to week.
I would like to think that more snaps at receiver would extend his career, but who knows? I have this idea in my head that WRs don't have as many severe knee injuries, but I could be mistaken.
Second, at this point I suspect the mental aspect of overcoming the injury will be just as great or worse than the physical for a player like Barkley. He is used to doing things that simply nobody else is doing. When he first comes back, he won't be certain he can do those things.
I'd like the Giants to split him out more often. If you run a two-back set with Barkley and another back, you can shift Barkley or put him in motion.
I think Barkley is very dangerous as a receiver and his versatility should help with Judge's philosophy of presenting multiple looks and varying the game plan week to week.
I would like to think that more snaps at receiver would extend his career, but who knows? I have this idea in my head that WRs don't have as many severe knee injuries, but I could be mistaken.
I think Barkley has been disappointing as a pass catcher as well. He is not fluid and does not run routes. Average receiver out of backfield that drops a few. Barkley will have to come in next year and earn playing time. If he does not eliminate his TFL's and improve his blocking he will just be part of a rotation.
Is to move forward without consideration to Barkley being part of the mix.
If he does come back, and is the same player, bonus time!
I m a big Barkley fan, unfortunately it hasn’t worked out yet.
How has it not worked out with him the guy had back to back 1000 yard seasons with a poor O-line. just his presence on the field made Jones look a lot better since Defenses are terrified of him. Now does he come back the same who knows but he is going to be in the plans.
The rehab a player does following this type of injury prior to surgery, greatly reduces the recovery period after the surgery. I think he will be ready.
have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
There is probably something to learn. Shouldn't we also consider how much different this line and offense as a whole looks at this point compared to the first two weeks? I have a hard time thinking Barkley wouldn't be more productive at this point. Of course defenses probably wouldn't be taking the same approach with a player like Barkley in the backfield. I learned that statistically Barkley hasn't ran as much against loaded boxes as I thought, however something seems off with that statistic to me, I firmly believe Barkley changes the way defenses play the Giants, he is a focal point. The Steelers sold out to stop Barkley in week 1 with their very good defense. I curiously wonder why they felt the need to sell out against a back that can be controlled without regard.
I understand that Barkley by nature is a looking for more than the available three yards (Shurmur pointed it out to him) which needs to be balanced. However, I think fans overstate it somewhat.
have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
There is probably something to learn. Shouldn't we also consider how much different this line and offense as a whole looks at this point compared to the first two weeks? I have a hard time thinking Barkley wouldn't be more productive at this point. Of course defenses probably wouldn't be taking the same approach with a player like Barkley in the backfield. I learned that statistically Barkley hasn't ran as much against loaded boxes as I thought, however something seems off with that statistic to me, I firmly believe Barkley changes the way defenses play the Giants, he is a focal point. The Steelers sold out to stop Barkley in week 1 with their very good defense. I curiously wonder why they felt the need to sell out against a back that can be controlled without regard.
I understand that Barkley by nature is a looking for more than the available three yards (Shurmur pointed it out to him) which needs to be balanced. However, I think fans overstate it somewhat.
All good fair points crick.
My underlying comment was mostly just insinuating that with decent blocking, a lot of avg. running backs can be productive guys in an offense. Saving higher draft picks and roster dollars where they are better used.
Not trying to put the debate to bed, only inferring what would be this posters' preference.
Is to move forward without consideration to Barkley being part of the mix.
If he does come back, and is the same player, bonus time!
I m a big Barkley fan, unfortunately it hasn’t worked out yet.
How has it not worked out with him the guy had back to back 1000 yard seasons with a poor O-line. just his presence on the field made Jones look a lot better since Defenses are terrified of him. Now does he come back the same who knows but he is going to be in the plans.
LOL seriously. Imagine thinking having the best RB in football “didn’t work out.”
RE: RE: RE: Love the home-run ability in Barkley but
have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
There is probably something to learn. Shouldn't we also consider how much different this line and offense as a whole looks at this point compared to the first two weeks? I have a hard time thinking Barkley wouldn't be more productive at this point. Of course defenses probably wouldn't be taking the same approach with a player like Barkley in the backfield. I learned that statistically Barkley hasn't ran as much against loaded boxes as I thought, however something seems off with that statistic to me, I firmly believe Barkley changes the way defenses play the Giants, he is a focal point. The Steelers sold out to stop Barkley in week 1 with their very good defense. I curiously wonder why they felt the need to sell out against a back that can be controlled without regard.
I understand that Barkley by nature is a looking for more than the available three yards (Shurmur pointed it out to him) which needs to be balanced. However, I think fans overstate it somewhat.
All good fair points crick.
My underlying comment was mostly just insinuating that with decent blocking, a lot of avg. running backs can be productive guys in an offense. Saving higher draft picks and roster dollars where they are better used.
Not trying to put the debate to bed, only inferring what would be this posters' preference.
But need to guard against his hyper competitive spirit. He’s going to break so many of those “he almost broke it” runs 5hat Gallman has been posting lately. Gallman’s ypc has soared compared to 18 & 19 as the line has gelled. It’s been great to see. But that progress should not leadxanyone to think that 26 yo Gallman all of a sudden is a better back.
No rb can excell when met in the backfield on half his carries. SB in this offense with the line play and emergence of RPO will be spectacular when fully healthy, IMO. Like league MVP good in 22.
I'm willing to bet though, he won't be 100% mentally until mid season. That's why I think it's important we keep Gallman and either Freeman or Morris. It's nice to have a competent back up and not have to start a street free agent.
Makes sense to try to get saquon 10-15 touches and go from there
Should be on opening day roster, but wouldn’t rush it.
If we lose Gallman, are we looking at another RB in the draft (say rounds 3-4?)
-AV
If he does come back, and is the same player, bonus time!
I m a big Barkley fan, unfortunately it hasn’t worked out yet.
I think Barkley is very dangerous as a receiver and his versatility should help with Judge's philosophy of presenting multiple looks and varying the game plan week to week.
I would like to think that more snaps at receiver would extend his career, but who knows? I have this idea in my head that WRs don't have as many severe knee injuries, but I could be mistaken.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
Hard to say, because these guys would be producing jack shit in the first 2-3 weeks of the season.
It doesn't matter how good your RB is if your OL is trash.
I think Barkley is very dangerous as a receiver and his versatility should help with Judge's philosophy of presenting multiple looks and varying the game plan week to week.
I would like to think that more snaps at receiver would extend his career, but who knows? I have this idea in my head that WRs don't have as many severe knee injuries, but I could be mistaken.
I think Barkley has been disappointing as a pass catcher as well. He is not fluid and does not run routes. Average receiver out of backfield that drops a few. Barkley will have to come in next year and earn playing time. If he does not eliminate his TFL's and improve his blocking he will just be part of a rotation.
If he does come back, and is the same player, bonus time!
I m a big Barkley fan, unfortunately it hasn’t worked out yet.
How has it not worked out with him the guy had back to back 1000 yard seasons with a poor O-line. just his presence on the field made Jones look a lot better since Defenses are terrified of him. Now does he come back the same who knows but he is going to be in the plans.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
There is probably something to learn. Shouldn't we also consider how much different this line and offense as a whole looks at this point compared to the first two weeks? I have a hard time thinking Barkley wouldn't be more productive at this point. Of course defenses probably wouldn't be taking the same approach with a player like Barkley in the backfield. I learned that statistically Barkley hasn't ran as much against loaded boxes as I thought, however something seems off with that statistic to me, I firmly believe Barkley changes the way defenses play the Giants, he is a focal point. The Steelers sold out to stop Barkley in week 1 with their very good defense. I curiously wonder why they felt the need to sell out against a back that can be controlled without regard.
I understand that Barkley by nature is a looking for more than the available three yards (Shurmur pointed it out to him) which needs to be balanced. However, I think fans overstate it somewhat.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
Nope. Big talents still help you win more than lesser talents. Big OLs still help any RB flourish.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
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have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
There is probably something to learn. Shouldn't we also consider how much different this line and offense as a whole looks at this point compared to the first two weeks? I have a hard time thinking Barkley wouldn't be more productive at this point. Of course defenses probably wouldn't be taking the same approach with a player like Barkley in the backfield. I learned that statistically Barkley hasn't ran as much against loaded boxes as I thought, however something seems off with that statistic to me, I firmly believe Barkley changes the way defenses play the Giants, he is a focal point. The Steelers sold out to stop Barkley in week 1 with their very good defense. I curiously wonder why they felt the need to sell out against a back that can be controlled without regard.
I understand that Barkley by nature is a looking for more than the available three yards (Shurmur pointed it out to him) which needs to be balanced. However, I think fans overstate it somewhat.
All good fair points crick.
My underlying comment was mostly just insinuating that with decent blocking, a lot of avg. running backs can be productive guys in an offense. Saving higher draft picks and roster dollars where they are better used.
Not trying to put the debate to bed, only inferring what would be this posters' preference.
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have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
Nope. Big talents still help you win more than lesser talents. Big OLs still help any RB flourish.
huh?
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have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
Yeah. That home-run ability matters.
Yes, it does. Lots of things matter.
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Is to move forward without consideration to Barkley being part of the mix.
If he does come back, and is the same player, bonus time!
I m a big Barkley fan, unfortunately it hasn’t worked out yet.
How has it not worked out with him the guy had back to back 1000 yard seasons with a poor O-line. just his presence on the field made Jones look a lot better since Defenses are terrified of him. Now does he come back the same who knows but he is going to be in the plans.
LOL seriously. Imagine thinking having the best RB in football “didn’t work out.”
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have really enjoyed seeing a 4th round pick and a few cast-off free agents do the job at Running Back just fine since he has been out.
Is there something to be learned there...even a little?
There is probably something to learn. Shouldn't we also consider how much different this line and offense as a whole looks at this point compared to the first two weeks? I have a hard time thinking Barkley wouldn't be more productive at this point. Of course defenses probably wouldn't be taking the same approach with a player like Barkley in the backfield. I learned that statistically Barkley hasn't ran as much against loaded boxes as I thought, however something seems off with that statistic to me, I firmly believe Barkley changes the way defenses play the Giants, he is a focal point. The Steelers sold out to stop Barkley in week 1 with their very good defense. I curiously wonder why they felt the need to sell out against a back that can be controlled without regard.
I understand that Barkley by nature is a looking for more than the available three yards (Shurmur pointed it out to him) which needs to be balanced. However, I think fans overstate it somewhat.
All good fair points crick.
My underlying comment was mostly just insinuating that with decent blocking, a lot of avg. running backs can be productive guys in an offense. Saving higher draft picks and roster dollars where they are better used.
Not trying to put the debate to bed, only inferring what would be this posters' preference.
👍 gotcha
No rb can excell when met in the backfield on half his carries. SB in this offense with the line play and emergence of RPO will be spectacular when fully healthy, IMO. Like league MVP good in 22.