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NY Times assesses the Gints

Alan W : 11/16/2020 2:41 pm
"After starting the season 0-5, the Giants have improved from historically awful to merely bad, which in their division could lead to a playoff spot."
Great journalism from the NY Times as per usual.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/16/2020 2:42 pm : link
LOL.
Historically awful?  
BestFeature : 11/16/2020 2:44 pm : link
Every season there's at least one team that's 0-5. What was so historical about how awful they were?
They're going to have to beat some good teams  
81_Great_Dane : 11/16/2020 2:44 pm : link
to shed that "bad" label. They're going to get the chance to do exactly that in December.

I think "bad" is too negative. I think they're playing like mediocre/average NFL team and are still improving.
81GD  
JonC : 11/16/2020 2:46 pm : link
Yep. Beat some of those four playoff contenders in the coming weeks, or the narrative doesn't really change much in 2020.
NYT Is A POS  
Trainmaster : 11/16/2020 2:51 pm : link
"historically awful" ???

Even when 1 - 6, they only got blown out in one half of one game (2nd half versus 49ers). Played the Steelers, Bears and Rams relatively close during that 0 - 5 stretch with no OTA, no minicamps and no pre-season games with a new HC, DC and OC and a lot of roster turn over.

Really ???
RE: Historically awful?  
Bill L : 11/16/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15047970 BestFeature said:
Quote:
Every season there's at least one team that's 0-5. What was so historical about how awful they were?


It's not like they would have to look very hard to find another team in NY for comparison.
My guess is  
Gordo : 11/16/2020 2:52 pm : link
who ever wrote that doesn't cover the NFL and just reads the box scores.
Nytimes  
hassan : 11/16/2020 3:14 pm : link
Is clueless in sports coverage, every one knows that.
Historically Awful? The Giants???? What does that make the Jets?  
GiantBlue : 11/16/2020 3:18 pm : link
Geez....Sometimes our own worst enemies in the Press are the New York Papers. We seem to get more respect from newspaper columnists and beat writers around the country than in our own backyard.

Then when we start winning....they will be there writing up puff pieces about our great players and coaches.

Geez
Giants  
Archer : 11/16/2020 3:19 pm : link
Giants after starting out 0-5 have gone 3-2 in the last 5 games

The two games they lost to the Eagles and Tampa Bay were by a total of three points

They could easily be 5-0 in the last 5 games and 6-0 if you include the 3 point loss to the Cowboys

This is becoming a good team that is showing improvement each week

fake  
Ron Johnson : 11/16/2020 3:21 pm : link
news
I assume "historically awful" is reference to the history of the  
Scyber : 11/16/2020 3:27 pm : link
Giants. Not in relation to the entire NFL history.
The NY times...  
EricJ : 11/16/2020 3:39 pm : link
is to news, like MTV is to good music.
RE: fake  
joeinpa : 11/16/2020 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15048042 Ron Johnson said:
Quote:
news


I see what you did there Hahaha, well doneđź‘Ť

Seriously though, is it the age of social media that has created such a sardonic atmosphere where objectivity is no longer valued, as it once was.
Eh....  
dschwarz in westchester : 11/16/2020 3:55 pm : link
... the last few weeks have been really nice. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

The Giants Offense is, even if you snapshot the last month, not good.

The Giants Defense is solid; but it's not 'top third of the NFL' good -- not '85 Bears 'Destroyer of Worlds' good.

That recipe (below average offense, good but not great defense) still nets you a bad team.

Don't get me wrong, the arrow is starting to look like it points up. But waaaaay too early to start calling out those who are skeptical.
I gave up on NYT  
Gregorio : 11/16/2020 4:07 pm : link
after they sold their soul and became a propaganda rag.
Your quote is actually not in the article in todays NYT  
jsuds : 11/16/2020 4:25 pm : link
The article is actually good.
Link - ( New Window )
amazing that you can't even mention the name New York Times  
wigs in nyc : 11/16/2020 4:33 pm : link
without it veering towards the political.

This is sports "journalism" for a local fanbase. Relax, everyone. Let's passive-aggressively vent our frustrations via some other channel maybe.

And, as mentioned, the particular terminology with which folks are taking umbrage, "historically bad" is not even in the article of today, speaking of "fake news."
Maybe this is the article OP was referencing? From when both teams were 0-5? - ( New Window )
A couple of things  
Jerry in 329 : 11/16/2020 4:41 pm : link
1) We are a bad team. Very much an improving team but still bad. Our three victories have come against two other bad teams and in each of those we had difficulty holding on to a two score lead.
2)The Times' writer has covered NFL football for quite some time, primarily covering the Jets (so he's familiar with bad teams.)
3)To its eternal shame, the Times has not had a reporter cover a Giants' game until yesterday. All game coverage had been by the AP
RE: Historically awful?  
clatterbuck : 11/16/2020 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15047970 BestFeature said:
Quote:
Every season there's at least one team that's 0-5. What was so historical about how awful they were?


As opposed to the 0-9 Jets? Are the Jets super-historically awful?
How were the Giants “historically awful?”  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 4:47 pm : link
They were in every game this season that they lost with the exception of the SF game. They could have had 4-5 more wins.
over the last 5 weeks  
djm : 11/16/2020 4:55 pm : link
the Giants are running the ball and stopping the run at a pretty high level. Above average level. That's the formula for winning games. That's anything but bad.
At least the NYT are consistent.  
chiro56 : 11/16/2020 5:00 pm : link
I wouldn’t wrap my blue fish in that rag.
So many rightwingers here thinking their NYT jabs are nonpolitical  
Kyle_ : 11/16/2020 5:26 pm : link
Both embarrassing for them and insulting that they believe it's subtle.
RE: The NY times...  
Sonic Youth : 11/16/2020 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15048062 EricJ said:
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is to news, like MTV is to good music.
No, it really isn't
RE: So many rightwingers here thinking their NYT jabs are nonpolitical  
Sonic Youth : 11/16/2020 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15048240 Kyle_ said:
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Both embarrassing for them and insulting that they believe it's subtle.
+100 so obvious
The NYT sports section is a joke.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2020 7:43 pm : link
& most of you all know where I stand politically, but I gave up my subscription to the Times the year we last beat the Eagles before yesterday. I rely on the WaPo.
this must be political as everything the Times does is political,  
plato : 11/16/2020 8:14 pm : link
and therefore the thread should be taken down.
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