But if this was a setup and Baker was really the victim then I’d be glad to have him back. I never thought that the story made sense but that doesn’t tell us much.
“I would have no problem going back there,” Baker said. “Yeah, I’d love to go back to the Giants.
“If I had something to say to the Giants, I would say I apologize for the situation and the bad light I brought on the program, even though I was innocent, I give my apology. I think they should give me another chance because my last few games with the Giants, I went out and I did pretty well and now I’m bigger, faster, stronger after working out and I’m ready to prove myself again. That’s why they should give me a chance.
“I watch their games every week. I think they got a shot at going to the playoffs this year. The defense is doing pretty good.”
Baker described the past six months as “a very humbling experience,” adding, “I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.” He said, “I just hope anybody in my shoes should just stay true to what they believe in, like I was. I didn’t pay anybody, because I believe in doing the right thing. I’m just ready to get back to playing football. I miss it.”
Asked what he learned from that night in May, Baker said, “The company was bad, bad company I was involved with.
“Some days it felt like a nightmare, like why did this happen to me? But I guess God gave me something to shoulder and I just took it as that.”
He does not believe he is a risk to whichever team takes him on.
“I can be a great guy in any locker room they put me in,” Baker said. “I never had a record in my life. I was never in any trouble in my life and still to this day I haven’t been in any trouble, up until this event. I don’t think I’m a risk to any team. I feel like I’m a benefit to any team right now.”
But if this was a setup and Baker was really the victim then I’d be glad to have him back. I never thought that the story made sense but that doesn’t tell us much.
I find it hard to believe we would release him so early without having some insight. Probably fits in with the jets
The Giants? They are not interested in a reunion with Baker. New head coach Joe Judge arrived this year and is trying to establish a culture. This incident, even though the charges against Baker were dismissed, does not sit well with the new regime. Also, Baker played poorly and at times displayed attitude issues as a rookie, although his performance improved late in the 2019 season.
The Giants? They are not interested in a reunion with Baker. New head coach Joe Judge arrived this year and is trying to establish a culture. This incident, even though the charges against Baker were dismissed, does not sit well with the new regime. Also, Baker played poorly and at times displayed attitude issues as a rookie, although his performance improved late in the 2019 season.
But if this was a setup and Baker was really the victim then I’d be glad to have him back. I never thought that the story made sense but that doesn’t tell us much.
I find it hard to believe we would release him so early without having some insight. Probably fits in with the jets
I didn’t say the Giants don’t know I said we don’t know. And if they thought they knew and this brings some new information then maybe they might reconsider.
The Giants? They are not interested in a reunion with Baker. New head coach Joe Judge arrived this year and is trying to establish a culture. This incident, even though the charges against Baker were dismissed, does not sit well with the new regime. Also, Baker played poorly and at times displayed attitude issues as a rookie, although his performance improved late in the 2019 season.
Uh source?
It's in the article. But he didn't say he spoke with someone from the Giants or anything. Just that we aren't interested.
Make the most informed decision. Judge said everyone had a clean slate. Baker was really gone before the program started. There is really no harm in giving him a chance. Let him go if you don't like what you see.
Didn’t see much from him on the football field, never mind the stories of him falling asleep in team meetings, not concentrating in practice and so on.
The Giants are moving forwards, he doesn’t seem like a Joe Judge player. Not sure we should force the shoe to fit.
If I'm the Giants and there is really mutual interest, I'd have a meeting with him and see what he has to say.
Personally, I'm fine with whatever the Giants decide to do with him. I'd be fine with him coming back (he has talent and is young), but it may make more sense to move on. We'll see.
What really amazes me is the amount of posters who were choir boys in there early 20's. Never drank, never gambled, never made wrong decisions, never invited to a party that turned out to be a bad scene.
We still have an investment in Baker , a first round pick. Let's see if it will pan out. What do we have to loose?
would give him another chance. He seems contrite, and it's entirely possible that the incident has scared him straight. Young people act stupidly. He also started playing better at the end of last year.
I nonetheless understand if the Giants decide not to do so. Judge is building a team first culture. Look what happened to Tate. He screams about wanting the ball more. His wife backs him up on Twitter. The result is a one game suspension. Baker could easily be seen as too much of a risk to what Judge is and already has created.
would give him another chance. He seems contrite, and it's entirely possible that the incident has scared him straight. Young people act stupidly. He also started playing better at the end of last year.
I nonetheless understand if the Giants decide not to do so. Judge is building a team first culture. Look what happened to Tate. He screams about wanting the ball more. His wife backs him up on Twitter. The result is a one game suspension. Baker could easily be seen as too much of a risk to what Judge is and already has created.
I meant to say that I would consider giving him another chance, and not immediately dismiss the possibility of doing so.
looked like a mug shot. I don’t care if he becomes All Pro as long as it’s on another team. We’ve got a great thing going here without him. Good riddance.
looked like a mug shot. I don’t care if he becomes All Pro as long as it’s on another team. We’ve got a great thing going here without him. Good riddance.
Careful now.... That says more about you than it does about Baker.
If the kid has been totally exonerated then I want him back with the Giants. Dave Gettleman traded up into the back end of the 1st round to select the guy that our staff thought was the best CB in the 2019 NFL Draft. There's no reason to let him sign with another team. Sign him. If it doesn't work out trade him later or release him. Personally, I'd sign him and keep him at least until the trade deadline in 2021.
If it works out then we don't need to chase #2 CB as one of our top needs with Baker & Beal both ready to compete. I also would love to see what Love can do at CB in the future. He has been needed at Safety, but we are improving there and I have seen good playing speed out of Love at times. Another guy whose college CB tape I like is Hartage. The more talent the coaches identify and develop the less holes this team has going into 2021.
I also think Judge & Gettleman might take advantage of this situation by showing the team that they are tough but fair; that they don't take their lives and careers lightly or for granted. Give the kid a shot when he most appreciates it after going through hell and the team could get a little more of that heart we all want to see them continuing to build and play with.
Baker might even be a bit of an inspiration to his teammates and a constant reminder that could keep some of them out of future potential situations off the field in their personal lives. Baker is a dog mentality kinda guy and I think we need some attitude if it's focused in the right direction with it's head on straight.
He has a chance to be a #1-2 cornerback. Those guys do not grow on trees. They cost a fortune in FA for average talent.
CB is one of our key positions of need. Giants shouldn't play morality police and must give him a second chance or risk him flourishing on the Cowboys or Eagles.
If you only want choir boys on your team in the NFL today, your roster will be awfully thin.
As someone who faulted DG for drafting him after the arrest, and had no hope of this, I will admit that there is absolutely zero downside to trying to see if he can be brought back on a deal with contingencies that safeguards against any future similar issues.
Why would someone read this thread and immediately put "yeah no thanks"? That entire mentality is what helps to keep this team bereft of the same talent level as other teams.
Releasing him is a sunk cost. Does NYG have anything to gain by bringing him back in the fold?
The answer is pretty clearly yes, unless there is a huge piece of info we aren't privy to (this is a possibility, but there shouldn't be an assumption this info exists).
As someone who faulted DG for drafting him after the arrest, and had no hope of this, I will admit that there is absolutely zero downside to trying to see if he can be brought back on a deal with contingencies that safeguards against any future similar issues.
Why would someone read this thread and immediately put "yeah no thanks"? That entire mentality is what helps to keep this team bereft of the same talent level as other teams.
Releasing him is a sunk cost. Does NYG have anything to gain by bringing him back in the fold?
The answer is pretty clearly yes, unless there is a huge piece of info we aren't privy to (this is a possibility, but there shouldn't be an assumption this info exists).
The downside is that flies in the face of improving culture. Every malcontent on the team has been cut or traded. Would it surprise me to see the team say one thing, and then do something that completely flies in the face of that? No.
Baker had the shittiest attitude of any player I have ever seen last year. And he was a rookie! Then you add in this and his poor decision making that got him in this mess, it's not worth it to bring him back. He's basically burned all his bridges in NY. We aren't talking about an all-pro cornerback here, we are talking about a rookie who said it wasn't his job to learn the defense last year; and he wasn't even that good!
Talented guys will get second and third shots in this league, but they need to be brought into a lockerroom that is stable and that can make the 'malcontent' conform. With such a young roster and team cohesiveness such a strong foudnation of Judge's team, I can't see them bringing in a guy who could potentially submarine all of that.
Montana, that's what I'd do, and I've managed small businesses with 6+ people underneath me.
But managing over 50 people, more like 100+ considering coaching staff and roster fluidity, it's clearly much more complicated. And Baker's pre arrest attitude vis a vis his supposed failure to partcipate in the Zoom meetings...
There's always a point where your best bet is to cut your losses.
Resigning Baker would certainly test JJ's mettle as a teacher of men.
Montana, that's what I'd do, and I've managed small businesses with 6+ people underneath me.
But managing over 50 people, more like 100+ considering coaching staff and roster fluidity, it's clearly much more complicated. And Baker's pre arrest attitude vis a vis his supposed failure to partcipate in the Zoom meetings...
There's always a point where your best bet is to cut your losses.
Resigning Baker would certainly test JJ's mettle as a teacher of men.
You make some excellent points. I trust Judge so I can live with whatever he decides.
but if they did, what would happen with the dead cap $$? There's roughly 1.5m (2020), 2.8m (2021) dead money ... would this all stay on the books?
They can only recover that cap hit (3/4 of his signing bonus) by actually clawing back the money. That seems unlikely, whether his future is here or with another team.
Q: I’m just curious what you guys thought when you heard that all the charges were dropped against DeAndre (Baker) today?
A: Yeah, to be honest with you, I’ve been pretty busy all day as far as watching tape. Pat Hanlon gave me kind of a quick bullet point thing before I walked in here, I saw that. Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that.
There is nothing in that quote which suggest to me that he has an iota of interest in having him return to the Giants. In fact, I read that as the exact opposite; it's a door being slammed shut.
“If I had something to say to the Giants, I would say I apologize for the situation and the bad light I brought on the program, even though I was innocent, I give my apology. I think they should give me another chance because my last few games with the Giants, I went out and I did pretty well and now I’m bigger, faster, stronger after working out and I’m ready to prove myself again. That’s why they should give me a chance.
“I watch their games every week. I think they got a shot at going to the playoffs this year. The defense is doing pretty good.”
Baker described the past six months as “a very humbling experience,” adding, “I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.” He said, “I just hope anybody in my shoes should just stay true to what they believe in, like I was. I didn’t pay anybody, because I believe in doing the right thing. I’m just ready to get back to playing football. I miss it.”
Asked what he learned from that night in May, Baker said, “The company was bad, bad company I was involved with.
“Some days it felt like a nightmare, like why did this happen to me? But I guess God gave me something to shoulder and I just took it as that.”
He does not believe he is a risk to whichever team takes him on.
“I can be a great guy in any locker room they put me in,” Baker said. “I never had a record in my life. I was never in any trouble in my life and still to this day I haven’t been in any trouble, up until this event. I don’t think I’m a risk to any team. I feel like I’m a benefit to any team right now.”
I find it hard to believe we would release him so early without having some insight. Probably fits in with the jets
Burning brides would certainly not be wise, I agree. But he earned $9 million when he signed. I don't think he's struggling.
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I want and need a paycheck to cover my legal fees and would be willing to play for any team, including the one that cut me.
Burning brides would certainly not be wise, I agree. But he earned $9 million when he signed. I don't think he's struggling.
Bridges. Not brides. Bridges.
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The Giants? They are not interested in a reunion with Baker. New head coach Joe Judge arrived this year and is trying to establish a culture. This incident, even though the charges against Baker were dismissed, does not sit well with the new regime. Also, Baker played poorly and at times displayed attitude issues as a rookie, although his performance improved late in the 2019 season.
Uh source?
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But if this was a setup and Baker was really the victim then I’d be glad to have him back. I never thought that the story made sense but that doesn’t tell us much.
I find it hard to believe we would release him so early without having some insight. Probably fits in with the jets
I didn’t say the Giants don’t know I said we don’t know. And if they thought they knew and this brings some new information then maybe they might reconsider.
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The Giants? They are not interested in a reunion with Baker. New head coach Joe Judge arrived this year and is trying to establish a culture. This incident, even though the charges against Baker were dismissed, does not sit well with the new regime. Also, Baker played poorly and at times displayed attitude issues as a rookie, although his performance improved late in the 2019 season.
Uh source?
It's in the article. But he didn't say he spoke with someone from the Giants or anything. Just that we aren't interested.
Where I am from... a sit down does not always end well for someone. Typically not walking out on two legs
The Giants are moving forwards, he doesn’t seem like a Joe Judge player. Not sure we should force the shoe to fit.
Personally, I'm fine with whatever the Giants decide to do with him. I'd be fine with him coming back (he has talent and is young), but it may make more sense to move on. We'll see.
Why would his old deal change if a new deal was reached? Completely different deals. His old deal was terminated. It is done and over with.
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Lay some ground rules and see what happens
Where I am from... a sit down does not always end well for someone. Typically not walking out on two legs
Where are you from, a Martin Scorcese film?
[quote] Said, Giants did their own investigation and have absolutely no interest in a return. [/quote
The Daily News
Totally agree.
What really amazes me is the amount of posters who were choir boys in there early 20's. Never drank, never gambled, never made wrong decisions, never invited to a party that turned out to be a bad scene.
We still have an investment in Baker , a first round pick. Let's see if it will pan out. What do we have to loose?
me too. I'd give him a chance. Especially that he had not been in trouble before. He doesnt' appear like a habitual troublemaker.
[quote] Said, Giants did their own investigation and have absolutely no interest in a return. [/quote
The Daily News
Oh, well if pat leonard said it, then there might be interest
I would not be surprised if Baker turns out to be a very good player — if he was "scared straight." But I would be surprised if it's with the Giants.
He wouldn't be the first guy to turn things around. He's had a near-football-death experience. Maybe he'll grow up.
But I think he made a bad impression last season and the new staff doesn't want to be bothered with trying to get his head right.
I nonetheless understand if the Giants decide not to do so. Judge is building a team first culture. Look what happened to Tate. He screams about wanting the ball more. His wife backs him up on Twitter. The result is a one game suspension. Baker could easily be seen as too much of a risk to what Judge is and already has created.
I nonetheless understand if the Giants decide not to do so. Judge is building a team first culture. Look what happened to Tate. He screams about wanting the ball more. His wife backs him up on Twitter. The result is a one game suspension. Baker could easily be seen as too much of a risk to what Judge is and already has created.
I meant to say that I would consider giving him another chance, and not immediately dismiss the possibility of doing so.
Does that mean he didn't work out in the past?
I would take smarter and humbler before the bigger, faster, stronger claim
Perhaps it would be worth meeting with the young man to make that determination.
It would also be interesting to see if he has adopted a newfound dedication to an enduring work ethic.
That might not be so easy to ascertain in a one-time sitdown.
On the other hand - how would it feel to see the kid mature and succeed in a Cowboy uniform?
Careful now.... That says more about you than it does about Baker.
If the kid has been totally exonerated then I want him back with the Giants. Dave Gettleman traded up into the back end of the 1st round to select the guy that our staff thought was the best CB in the 2019 NFL Draft. There's no reason to let him sign with another team. Sign him. If it doesn't work out trade him later or release him. Personally, I'd sign him and keep him at least until the trade deadline in 2021.
If it works out then we don't need to chase #2 CB as one of our top needs with Baker & Beal both ready to compete. I also would love to see what Love can do at CB in the future. He has been needed at Safety, but we are improving there and I have seen good playing speed out of Love at times. Another guy whose college CB tape I like is Hartage. The more talent the coaches identify and develop the less holes this team has going into 2021.
I also think Judge & Gettleman might take advantage of this situation by showing the team that they are tough but fair; that they don't take their lives and careers lightly or for granted. Give the kid a shot when he most appreciates it after going through hell and the team could get a little more of that heart we all want to see them continuing to build and play with.
Baker might even be a bit of an inspiration to his teammates and a constant reminder that could keep some of them out of future potential situations off the field in their personal lives. Baker is a dog mentality kinda guy and I think we need some attitude if it's focused in the right direction with it's head on straight.
CB is one of our key positions of need. Giants shouldn't play morality police and must give him a second chance or risk him flourishing on the Cowboys or Eagles.
If you only want choir boys on your team in the NFL today, your roster will be awfully thin.
Guy wants to come back. Give him a second chance but make clear one screwup, he is gone.
The newspaper report sounds like the writer's opinion.
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me too. I'd give him a chance. Especially that he had not been in trouble before. He doesnt' appear like a habitual troublemaker.
This just might have been the wake-up call he needed
Why would someone read this thread and immediately put "yeah no thanks"? That entire mentality is what helps to keep this team bereft of the same talent level as other teams.
Releasing him is a sunk cost. Does NYG have anything to gain by bringing him back in the fold?
The answer is pretty clearly yes, unless there is a huge piece of info we aren't privy to (this is a possibility, but there shouldn't be an assumption this info exists).
Why would someone read this thread and immediately put "yeah no thanks"? That entire mentality is what helps to keep this team bereft of the same talent level as other teams.
Releasing him is a sunk cost. Does NYG have anything to gain by bringing him back in the fold?
The answer is pretty clearly yes, unless there is a huge piece of info we aren't privy to (this is a possibility, but there shouldn't be an assumption this info exists).
The downside is that flies in the face of improving culture. Every malcontent on the team has been cut or traded. Would it surprise me to see the team say one thing, and then do something that completely flies in the face of that? No.
Baker had the shittiest attitude of any player I have ever seen last year. And he was a rookie! Then you add in this and his poor decision making that got him in this mess, it's not worth it to bring him back. He's basically burned all his bridges in NY. We aren't talking about an all-pro cornerback here, we are talking about a rookie who said it wasn't his job to learn the defense last year; and he wasn't even that good!
Talented guys will get second and third shots in this league, but they need to be brought into a lockerroom that is stable and that can make the 'malcontent' conform. With such a young roster and team cohesiveness such a strong foudnation of Judge's team, I can't see them bringing in a guy who could potentially submarine all of that.
I'm not arguing it but all I ever saw where some 2nd hand blurbs by the media
I'm not arguing it but all I ever saw where some 2nd hand blurbs by the media
His own teammates. Janoris had to set him straight in camp last year.
Montana, that's what I'd do, and I've managed small businesses with 6+ people underneath me.
But managing over 50 people, more like 100+ considering coaching staff and roster fluidity, it's clearly much more complicated. And Baker's pre arrest attitude vis a vis his supposed failure to partcipate in the Zoom meetings...
There's always a point where your best bet is to cut your losses.
Resigning Baker would certainly test JJ's mettle as a teacher of men.
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"shittiest attitude of any player I have ever seen last year"
I'm not arguing it but all I ever saw where some 2nd hand blurbs by the media
His own teammates. Janoris had to set him straight in camp last year.
Never heard of that, thanks Zeke!
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Lay some ground rules and see what happens
Montana, that's what I'd do, and I've managed small businesses with 6+ people underneath me.
But managing over 50 people, more like 100+ considering coaching staff and roster fluidity, it's clearly much more complicated. And Baker's pre arrest attitude vis a vis his supposed failure to partcipate in the Zoom meetings...
There's always a point where your best bet is to cut your losses.
Resigning Baker would certainly test JJ's mettle as a teacher of men.
You make some excellent points. I trust Judge so I can live with whatever he decides.
A: Yeah, to be honest with you, I’ve been pretty busy all day as far as watching tape. Pat Hanlon gave me kind of a quick bullet point thing before I walked in here, I saw that. Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that.
There is nothing in that quote which suggest to me that he has an iota of interest in having him return to the Giants. In fact, I read that as the exact opposite; it's a door being slammed shut.