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Schwartz NY Post: Giants Not Interested in Baker

GiantTuff1 : 11/16/2020 4:13 pm
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The Giants? They are not interested in a reunion with Baker. New head coach Joe Judge arrived this year and is trying to establish a culture. This incident, even though the charges against Baker were dismissed, does not sit well with the new regime. Also, Baker played poorly and at times displayed attitude issues as a rookie, although his performance improved late in the 2019 season.


I would think this is given to Paul straight from Giants central. Discuss



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yeah this is no surprise  
allstarjim : 11/16/2020 4:15 pm : link
I'd hate to see his "attorneys' fees".
Does not sound like he has that info  
Reale01 : 11/16/2020 4:35 pm : link
Seems like he is assuming it without a source or based on past information.
Considerring where we are today  
jvm52106 : 11/16/2020 4:41 pm : link
vs where we were last year, this team works together, plays hard, goes all out each play and deals with issues around TEAM vs ME attitude swiftly, I doubt Baker is an option. Maybe in the off season if they met with him, Judge talked with him (multiple times) but, not in the middle of the season while this team is improving and establishing its identity.
2nd chances  
csh2z : 11/16/2020 4:45 pm : link
Give the kid a shot. There is no down side. He does have talent. With good teaching coaches, he may be able to turn his life around. Sometimes kids do stupid stuff. I think this is just Schwartz's opinion anyway, some of these reporters think they are actually part of the organization.
This feels like a Judge call  
Sean : 11/16/2020 4:47 pm : link
.
Like I said in the other thread I'd give him a chance,but I understand  
Victor in CT : 11/16/2020 4:56 pm : link
if Judge wants to move on.
I'd also give him a shot. I guess it was Judge who was responsible  
Ira : 11/16/2020 5:00 pm : link
for Baker's being cut.
Whatever Judge wants  
5BowlsSoon : 11/16/2020 5:04 pm : link
I want.....
not surprising  
japanhead : 11/16/2020 5:23 pm : link
if true
Kid needs a clean slate anyway  
TJ : 11/16/2020 5:29 pm : link
Some team will give him a shot. He could still have a good career somewhere else. It's a drag Giants wasted those picks. Live and learn I guess.
This information  
GoDeep13 : 11/16/2020 5:31 pm : link
Isn’t true. Giants are gathering all information they can.
Can we bring dead money back to life  
90.Cal : 11/16/2020 5:34 pm : link
?
Duggan  
AcidTest : 11/16/2020 5:47 pm : link
says no reunion.

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It's a trope that he played better at the end of the season  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/16/2020 6:33 pm : link
...He played better when he didn't start and had limited snaps.

Once he started again in the last 3 games, he returned to his sucky ways. His QB Rating against was 107, 107 and 133. Against the Redskins he allowed 9 or 10 completions.
I just checked  
Rico : 11/16/2020 6:37 pm : link
Schwartz is right, it's not gonna happen.
Character counts with Judge- and I agree with him there  
PatersonPlank : 11/16/2020 6:45 pm : link
Also its not like Baker was doing well and working hard when he played here
RE: 2nd chances  
Sonic Youth : 11/16/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15048179 csh2z said:
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Give the kid a shot. There is no down side. He does have talent. With good teaching coaches, he may be able to turn his life around. Sometimes kids do stupid stuff. I think this is just Schwartz's opinion anyway, some of these reporters think they are actually part of the organization.
+1000000 totally agree
RE: I just checked  
section125 : 11/16/2020 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15048300 Rico said:
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Schwartz is right, it's not gonna happen.


There you have it. I don't blame them. Not the attitude they were looking for and he showed little effort right after the incident...
"I would think this is given to Paul straight from Giants central."  
Vanzetti : 11/16/2020 7:18 pm : link
It's "Jints Central"
They were clearly interested  
Knineteen : 11/16/2020 7:28 pm : link
when DG blew 3 drafts picks on him.
RE: RE: 2nd chances  
Red Right Hand : 11/16/2020 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15048318 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 15048179 csh2z said:


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Give the kid a shot. There is no down side. He does have talent. With good teaching coaches, he may be able to turn his life around. Sometimes kids do stupid stuff. I think this is just Schwartz's opinion anyway, some of these reporters think they are actually part of the organization.

+1000000 totally agree
He had a shot, he shit the bed. Sayanora.
RE: I'd also give him a shot. I guess it was Judge who was responsible  
Red Right Hand : 11/16/2020 7:36 pm : link
In comment 15048200 Ira said:
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for Baker's being cut.
No, Baker was responsible for Baker being cut.
The right &  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2020 7:36 pm : link
good call.
If he had been killing it when he was here  
David B. : 11/16/2020 9:46 pm : link
They'd welcome him back. Sadly, he was disappointing on and off the field BEFORE the incident in FL.
Tend to think the Giants knew more than we did  
JonC : 11/16/2020 9:59 pm : link
and it played a big role in cutting ties with him. Once you cut those ties it's difficult to go back and trust each other.
Judge’s answer today re: DeAndre told the story..  
Sean : 11/16/2020 10:02 pm : link
No interest in bringing him back.
its the right move  
Rory : 11/16/2020 10:36 pm : link
bottom line, even if Giants brought him back he would be a liability in the secondary.

He's not even close to game shape and fans would expectations would be exceedingly high.
Pat Leonard was on FAN today, Moose & Maggie.  
Tom in NY : 11/17/2020 2:44 am : link
He more than intimated that they know Baker did probably do what he was accused of, and that suspension from the NFL is likely.

The interview is posted on FAN'S website.
RE: Can we bring dead money back to life  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/17/2020 5:36 am : link
90.Cal said:
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Not in the the sense of reanimating his dead contract, no. That contract has been terminated.

There are, however, a few ways the Giants might be able to mitigate the dead money hit from Baker’s total guaranteed compensation of $9MM. The simplest involves possible offset language in his contract that could reduce the Giants’ obligations to Baker based on salary he receives In 2021 from a new team. (I don’t think this applies to 2022, since his year-four salary does appear to have been guaranteed.)

There are also possibilities of mitigating the hit from his contractual 2020 and 2021 salaries based on his having been suspended and those payments never being made - assuming he hasn’t gotten that money, and never will.

Note that OTC assumes the Giants are already off the hook for Baker’s 2020 and 2021 salary. Spotrac treats those two years of guaranteed salary as dead money. If OTC is right - and they probably are - the only dead money currently on the books reflects Baker’s signing bonus.

Lastly, the Giants could try to claw back up to three quarters of his $5.7MM signing bonus. I’m not sure what protection the standard rookie contract provides a team for a situation like this one. To get cap credit, I think the team has to show that the money was actually recovered, which might be challenging in Baker’s case.
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