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If Judge & co. Had a training camp, what is our record now?

cpgiants : 11/16/2020 4:42 pm
I think some of those early losses would have gone our way.

Thoughts?
I think the Giants  
Hades07 : 11/16/2020 4:51 pm : link
and particularly the OL, would have been playing better earlier in the season. IDK if that would have improved the record at all though. Since all the teams had the same type of off-season limitations, maybe some of those games would not have been so close if the other team had more training camp.
I think  
cpgiants : 11/16/2020 5:01 pm : link
We would have benefitted more than the more established teams because we had farther to go.

This season would look way different right now, even if our only additional win was the first Eagles game....
pure gut reaction tells me atleast 1 win better  
UConn4523 : 11/16/2020 5:21 pm : link
its reasonable to assume the OL works the kinks out faster with a proper offseason. So while 1 win may not be that big a deal when you look at how this season has gone 4-6 make the playoffs right there for the taking.
RE: pure gut reaction tells me atleast 1 win better  
LBH15 : 11/16/2020 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15048231 UConn4523 said:
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its reasonable to assume the OL works the kinks out faster with a proper offseason. So while 1 win may not be that big a deal when you look at how this season has gone 4-6 make the playoffs right there for the taking.


Thinking the same. An extra win.
Probably the same...  
bw in dc : 11/16/2020 5:24 pm : link
because I'm assuming every other team would benefit from more preparation.
Hard to Say if it would have resulted in more Giants wins  
Jim in Tampa : 11/16/2020 5:47 pm : link
But what isn't debatable is that teams with all new coaching staffs were at a competitive disadvantage compared to established teams running the same systems as 2019, with the same HC, OC, DC, QB, etc.

Don't know how anyone could say that lack of training camps hurt the Saints (for example) anywhere near as much as it did a team like the Giants.
10-1  
Platos : 11/16/2020 5:49 pm : link
fight me
They didn't have training camp?  
NoPeanutz : 11/16/2020 5:52 pm : link
RE: I think the Giants  
chopperhatch : 11/16/2020 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15048187 Hades07 said:
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and particularly the OL, would have been playing better earlier in the season. IDK if that would have improved the record at all though. Since all the teams had the same type of off-season limitations, maybe some of those games would not have been so close if the other team had more training camp.


I think we wouldve won the Bears game as well as the first Dallas if we had a preseason. I truly believe that. That game was LOST. I think our D is just missing too many pieces to be a really formidable unit. I honestly think that missing Carter hurt us in the first Philly game, the Bucs game and even last night. I feel like having him instead of Fackrell coming off the edge or covering the flats is a HUGE difference. The same can be said if we had Baker at the other cotner. True he was very shaky at the beginning of last season, but not only did he come on at the end, would be light years better than the other jokers we have had out there.
Tough to say.  
Matt M. : 11/16/2020 6:00 pm : link
As a team, I think we would still have sucked at the onset and as bw pointed out, other teams also would have benefitted from the extra time. However, I see a few key positions where we would have benefitted. In particular Gates would have benefitted from a full offseason and pre-season at OC and ditto for Thomas at LT. Maybe we win one of those close games, but I can't see us with 5 or 6 wins.
RE: I think the Giants  
liteamorn : 11/16/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15048187 Hades07 said:
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and particularly the OL, would have been playing better earlier in the season. IDK if that would have improved the record at all though. Since all the teams had the same type of off-season limitations, maybe some of those games would not have been so close if the other team had more training camp.


Not necessarily as it takes time for the rookie coaches to get their new systems and schemes functional to the players.
Maybe 2 more wins, tops.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/16/2020 6:25 pm : link
But that's the difference between 3-7 and 5-5. If they were 5-5 and "on schedule," they'd be favorites to win the division.

That's leaving aside the fact there are always season-ending injuries in training camp.
It s a good question  
joeinpa : 11/16/2020 6:29 pm : link
Take this team right now, have them replay the Bears, Cowboys. 1st Eagle game and Tampa all losses, 0-4

Minus those games, Giants are 3-3.

So they are any of the following: 7-3, 6-4, 5-5, 4-6, or 3-7.

Not hard to envision any of them. But I d lean more to 7-3 than 3-7

Probably 5-5

Re: If Judge & co. Had a training camp, what is our record now?  
JohnF : 11/17/2020 1:43 pm : link
Most likely the same. Possibly worst?

Look, if Judge & co. could have a training camp, our opponents would have had one as well. Any improvements on our side would have been negated by improvements by our opponents.

And yes, I know the argument is that teams that have been together longer have somewhat of an edge than younger teams with more rookies. But there's a ton of turnover for teams both in players and coaches (who may bring in new schemes), and this is even true for experienced teams. The advantage is smaller than you think.
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