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I'd love to see what this staff could do with D'andre Baker!

cpgiants : 11/16/2020 6:41 pm
Judge and company have improved literally every player here.

And this is a kid with 1st round talent, who in the end, was the victim of a crime.

Tell him to lay low, keep his nose clean, and come to camp next year on a prove it type of deal....
You seem to love hypotheticals.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/16/2020 6:45 pm : link
He's not coming back.
It's not happening  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2020 6:46 pm : link
Time to move on.
He could not lay low  
GmanND : 11/16/2020 7:04 pm : link
Not keep his nose clean and get a nice pay day by going to Dallas. I suspect that's what is likely to happen.
Posted in the other thread  
Rico : 11/16/2020 7:11 pm : link
But I checked, and it's not gonna happen.

I'm bummed about this. I still remember the excitement when we traded back into round 1 to grab him.
Baker  
uther99 : 11/16/2020 7:23 pm : link
would not be a positive addition. He quit on plays, missed meetings, etc. We don't need some entitled, lollygagger back here.
Some of you guys are still  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2020 7:28 pm : link
pining for your high school ex. It's over. Move on.
This team could use some talent at CB #2  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 8:26 pm : link
Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/16/2020 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15048409 rasbutant said:
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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.


Do you remember last season? Did you watch him play? He might have talent, but he sure didn't show it in a Giants uniform.
Actually if you think about it,  
BelieveJJ : 11/16/2020 8:57 pm : link
you have already seen what this coaching staff could do with DeAndre Baker.


They cut him, that's what they did with him.
RE: RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15048427 GiantsRage2007 said:
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In comment 15048409 rasbutant said:


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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.



Do you remember last season? Did you watch him play? He might have talent, but he sure didn't show it in a Giants uniform.


He was a rookie. Little early to give up on a 1st round pick if you ask me.
What are we losing giving him another chance  
Bleedblue10 : 11/16/2020 10:07 pm : link
I just do t understand. Most of the guys in the NFL are not boyscouts why do we even care. As long as he’s not doing anything unforgivable(which he didn’t) then I don’t get it
Maybe..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:10 pm : link
this staff has no desire to work with him
RE: Maybe..  
rasbutant : 11/16/2020 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15048478 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this staff has no desire to work with him


Maybe. But more likely Mara made the decision.

If the Giants choose to move on then they choose to move on. I just don’t get why any fan would be rooting for this outcome?

In my mind everyone should be petitioning for them to bring him back, because you know Mara is checking in on BBI to read the temperature of the room. Most likely why they cut him in the first place.
Why..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/16/2020 10:34 pm : link
should people be petitioning for them to bring him back?? Wouldn't they know a hell of a lot more than us as to teh circumstances?
RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2  
Red Right Hand : 11/16/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15048409 rasbutant said:
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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Oh, that's what we should want, is it? We want to second guess the judge, do we?

"Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that."-Joe Judge

"We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program"- Notice he says "the program".

Doesn't say the team.

Says the program.

His program.

He has zero interest in Baker. Now, maybe Gettleman will try and pick him up anyway, but it won't be with Judge's blessing to be part of his program. He already knows he isn't a fit. But maybe we should force players Judge don't want down his throat anyway, eh? You can pray for Gettleman or Mara to sign him, cuz Judge sure ain't, and he ain't looking back either.
Don't forget  
Red Right Hand : 11/16/2020 10:43 pm : link
He was already skipping vrtrual team meetings under judge, before he got arrested, and falling asleep in meetings. Judge knows all this. I have a feeling that when Joe judge takes a gamble on a player, the gamble isn't going to involve the guys basic work ethic, and I feel judge is a pretty good judge of that, and in this case didn't like what he saw and has zero further interest.I think if he signed with the cowboys and became a 5 time pro bowler, Judge still wouldn't regret his decision. A solid fellow like Judge knows a nogoodnik when he sees one.
There's a good chance Mara said "Don't even think about it,"  
CT Charlie : 11/17/2020 12:32 am : link
and I think Gettleman and Judge probably felt the same way. Baker's athletic potential didn't trump the certainty of his being a distraction, given the NY media market.
RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2  
robbieballs2003 : 11/17/2020 6:53 am : link
In comment 15048409 rasbutant said:
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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.


People are posting against it because the Giants have made it very clear multiple ways that he isn't coming back. There is a reason for that.
I have no idea why people think Mara had a shread of decision-making  
Bill L : 11/17/2020 7:19 am : link
I would bet that he had absolutely no input into any decision that went on here. This is likely 99% Judge and 1% Gettleman.

Either way, there's zero data to support any hypothesis.
Stop getting distracted by shiny objects.  
mittenedman : 11/17/2020 7:26 am : link
That's the only thing that can take this ship down now. He's a talented player who is a Grade A asshole and not a team guy.

You don't need great talent - you need guys who are in consistently in proper position and playing within the scheme. You need guys who tackle.

Baker, on top of all the attitude problems, was out of position constantly and soft, and had little interest in sticking his nose into the fire.

Let someone else try to manage him, this is not the right place for him anymore. He would hurt the team.

The two most recent CB's that the Giants drafted in the first round  
Bill L : 11/17/2020 7:31 am : link
are available right now and the Giants want no part of either one. I think I might fire their college CB evaluators.
IMO  
fkap : 11/17/2020 8:38 am : link
-Baker isn't an innocent victim

-If it was simply a case of going to jail/not going to jail as a deciding factor for keeping him on the team, Giants might have taken a wait and see approach. There's likely a lot of shit about Baker that Giants wanted no part of, regardless of whether an official verdict of guilty was read.

-Anyone who thinks Mara doesn't get involved in a debacle of this magnitude, which affects the play of the team, the payroll, and most importantly the image of the team, please come see me for a slightly used bridge I have for sale. Bill L, you're local, so name your bridge. I can get you a really good bridge in Scotia that trucks keep getting stuck under.
RE: RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2  
section125 : 11/17/2020 8:53 am : link
In comment 15048492 Red Right Hand said:
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In comment 15048409 rasbutant said:


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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.

Oh, that's what we should want, is it? We want to second guess the judge, do we?

"Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that."-Joe Judge

"We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program"- Notice he says "the program".

Doesn't say the team.

Says the program.

His program.

He has zero interest in Baker. Now, maybe Gettleman will try and pick him up anyway, but it won't be with Judge's blessing to be part of his program. He already knows he isn't a fit. But maybe we should force players Judge don't want down his throat anyway, eh? You can pray for Gettleman or Mara to sign him, cuz Judge sure ain't, and he ain't looking back either.


This is all there needs to be said. Clear and simple. The Giants want no part of him.
I'm sure Mara, Gettleman and Judge have their own opinions. I'm sure that if Judge wanted him back, Mara and Gettleman would ok it.

Judge does not want him back. May be the easiest sacrificial lamb case that there is for the rest of the team. Look what he did with Tate....
RE: RE: RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/17/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 15048439 rasbutant said:
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In comment 15048409 rasbutant said:


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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.

Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?

Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.



Do you remember last season? Did you watch him play? He might have talent, but he sure didn't show it in a Giants uniform.



He was a rookie. Little early to give up on a 1st round pick if you ask me.

But they didn't ask you, and they probably never will.

They cut him. That was their decision.
Safe to assume  
JonC : 11/17/2020 9:07 am : link
the staff (Judge) were included in the decision tree.

Baker did this to himself, and it's unlikely the Giants did their due diligence on this and discovered otherwise. Zero football work ethic demonstrated, not to mention a weapon involved as part of a messy criminal and legal mess centered around him. Got to question his decisions, friends he keeps, and how seriously he takes his paid profession.

I get that he's a young dude who might have gotten a wake up call. But, I'm fine with saying he blew his opportunity with NYG, let someone else take the risk with him.
he’ll be  
mittenedman : 11/17/2020 9:11 am : link
a Dallas Cowboy by the end of the week
This is another one of those times...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/17/2020 9:16 am : link
...and there are many of them , that it's best to simply not have a strong opinion.

Clearly, fans don't know a thing about any of the aspects of this situation.

If the Giants have shown us nothing else this season, it is that there is a plan/system in place and that the leadership to execute it is in the building.
I have the “luxury” of buying 100% into Joe Judge as our  
Big Blue '56 : 11/17/2020 9:19 am : link
long term HC. Thus, if he wants to have a sit-down with Baker, I’m all in. If not, that’s totally fine with me.
Reading comprehension 101  
rasbutant : 11/17/2020 3:21 pm : link
But obviously I wasn't clear as multiple people miss reread what I was saying.

I'm commenting on all the people that were actively against bring him back...i don't get it? Why do we as fans not want more talent on the team? This statement has nothing to do with if the Giants want him or not, but why as fans would we not want him.

Now if the Giants decide, and it sounds like they have, to move on, that's a separate discussion. But again, i say, Why are fans rooting against a reunion, and this was before Judge made his comment? That's what i don't get.
RE: Reading comprehension 101  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/17/2020 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15049168 rasbutant said:
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But obviously I wasn't clear as multiple people miss reread what I was saying.

I'm commenting on all the people that were actively against bring him back...i don't get it? Why do we as fans not want more talent on the team? This statement has nothing to do with if the Giants want him or not, but why as fans would we not want him.

Now if the Giants decide, and it sounds like they have, to move on, that's a separate discussion. But again, i say, Why are fans rooting against a reunion, and this was before Judge made his comment? That's what i don't get.

Because there appears to be a culture/personality/work ethic issue with Baker that factored into Judge's decision. If that's the case, why would anyone want Baker back?

I am as enthused about Judge as anyone, but he's also only 10 games into his career - we don't need to amplify the degree of difficulty just yet.
RE: Actually if you think about it,  
5BowlsSoon : 11/17/2020 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15048434 BelieveJJ said:
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you have already seen what this coaching staff could do with DeAndre Baker.


They cut him, that's what they did with him.


I don’t believe they cut him because they gave up on him after just one year. You never cut a number one pick after one year. That would be too embarrassing.

I believe he was cut for other reasons than his bad first year.
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