I just do t understand. Most of the guys in the NFL are not boyscouts why do we even care. As long as he’s not doing anything unforgivable(which he didn’t) then I don’t get it
If the Giants choose to move on then they choose to move on. I just don’t get why any fan would be rooting for this outcome?
In my mind everyone should be petitioning for them to bring him back, because you know Mara is checking in on BBI to read the temperature of the room. Most likely why they cut him in the first place.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Oh, that's what we should want, is it? We want to second guess the judge, do we?
"Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that."-Joe Judge
"We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program"- Notice he says "the program".
Doesn't say the team.
Says the program.
His program.
He has zero interest in Baker. Now, maybe Gettleman will try and pick him up anyway, but it won't be with Judge's blessing to be part of his program. He already knows he isn't a fit. But maybe we should force players Judge don't want down his throat anyway, eh? You can pray for Gettleman or Mara to sign him, cuz Judge sure ain't, and he ain't looking back either.
He was already skipping vrtrual team meetings under judge, before he got arrested, and falling asleep in meetings. Judge knows all this. I have a feeling that when Joe judge takes a gamble on a player, the gamble isn't going to involve the guys basic work ethic, and I feel judge is a pretty good judge of that, and in this case didn't like what he saw and has zero further interest.I think if he signed with the cowboys and became a 5 time pro bowler, Judge still wouldn't regret his decision. A solid fellow like Judge knows a nogoodnik when he sees one.
There's a good chance Mara said "Don't even think about it,"
and I think Gettleman and Judge probably felt the same way. Baker's athletic potential didn't trump the certainty of his being a distraction, given the NY media market.
-If it was simply a case of going to jail/not going to jail as a deciding factor for keeping him on the team, Giants might have taken a wait and see approach. There's likely a lot of shit about Baker that Giants wanted no part of, regardless of whether an official verdict of guilty was read.
-Anyone who thinks Mara doesn't get involved in a debacle of this magnitude, which affects the play of the team, the payroll, and most importantly the image of the team, please come see me for a slightly used bridge I have for sale. Bill L, you're local, so name your bridge. I can get you a really good bridge in Scotia that trucks keep getting stuck under.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Oh, that's what we should want, is it? We want to second guess the judge, do we?
"Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that."-Joe Judge
"We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program"- Notice he says "the program".
Doesn't say the team.
Says the program.
His program.
He has zero interest in Baker. Now, maybe Gettleman will try and pick him up anyway, but it won't be with Judge's blessing to be part of his program. He already knows he isn't a fit. But maybe we should force players Judge don't want down his throat anyway, eh? You can pray for Gettleman or Mara to sign him, cuz Judge sure ain't, and he ain't looking back either.
This is all there needs to be said. Clear and simple. The Giants want no part of him.
I'm sure Mara, Gettleman and Judge have their own opinions. I'm sure that if Judge wanted him back, Mara and Gettleman would ok it.
Judge does not want him back. May be the easiest sacrificial lamb case that there is for the rest of the team. Look what he did with Tate....
RE: RE: RE: This team could use some talent at CB #2
the staff (Judge) were included in the decision tree.
Baker did this to himself, and it's unlikely the Giants did their due diligence on this and discovered otherwise. Zero football work ethic demonstrated, not to mention a weapon involved as part of a messy criminal and legal mess centered around him. Got to question his decisions, friends he keeps, and how seriously he takes his paid profession.
I get that he's a young dude who might have gotten a wake up call. But, I'm fine with saying he blew his opportunity with NYG, let someone else take the risk with him.
...and there are many of them , that it's best to simply not have a strong opinion.
Clearly, fans don't know a thing about any of the aspects of this situation.
If the Giants have shown us nothing else this season, it is that there is a plan/system in place and that the leadership to execute it is in the building.
I have the “luxury” of buying 100% into Joe Judge as our
But obviously I wasn't clear as multiple people miss reread what I was saying.
I'm commenting on all the people that were actively against bring him back...i don't get it? Why do we as fans not want more talent on the team? This statement has nothing to do with if the Giants want him or not, but why as fans would we not want him.
Now if the Giants decide, and it sounds like they have, to move on, that's a separate discussion. But again, i say, Why are fans rooting against a reunion, and this was before Judge made his comment? That's what i don't get.
But obviously I wasn't clear as multiple people miss reread what I was saying.
I'm commenting on all the people that were actively against bring him back...i don't get it? Why do we as fans not want more talent on the team? This statement has nothing to do with if the Giants want him or not, but why as fans would we not want him.
Now if the Giants decide, and it sounds like they have, to move on, that's a separate discussion. But again, i say, Why are fans rooting against a reunion, and this was before Judge made his comment? That's what i don't get.
Because there appears to be a culture/personality/work ethic issue with Baker that factored into Judge's decision. If that's the case, why would anyone want Baker back?
I am as enthused about Judge as anyone, but he's also only 10 games into his career - we don't need to amplify the degree of difficulty just yet.
you have already seen what this coaching staff could do with DeAndre Baker.
They cut him, that's what they did with him.
I don’t believe they cut him because they gave up on him after just one year. You never cut a number one pick after one year. That would be too embarrassing.
I believe he was cut for other reasons than his bad first year.
I'm bummed about this. I still remember the excitement when we traded back into round 1 to grab him.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Do you remember last season? Did you watch him play? He might have talent, but he sure didn't show it in a Giants uniform.
They cut him, that's what they did with him.
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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Do you remember last season? Did you watch him play? He might have talent, but he sure didn't show it in a Giants uniform.
He was a rookie. Little early to give up on a 1st round pick if you ask me.
Maybe. But more likely Mara made the decision.
If the Giants choose to move on then they choose to move on. I just don’t get why any fan would be rooting for this outcome?
In my mind everyone should be petitioning for them to bring him back, because you know Mara is checking in on BBI to read the temperature of the room. Most likely why they cut him in the first place.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
"Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that."-Joe Judge
"We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program"- Notice he says "the program".
Doesn't say the team.
Says the program.
His program.
He has zero interest in Baker. Now, maybe Gettleman will try and pick him up anyway, but it won't be with Judge's blessing to be part of his program. He already knows he isn't a fit. But maybe we should force players Judge don't want down his throat anyway, eh? You can pray for Gettleman or Mara to sign him, cuz Judge sure ain't, and he ain't looking back either.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
People are posting against it because the Giants have made it very clear multiple ways that he isn't coming back. There is a reason for that.
Either way, there's zero data to support any hypothesis.
You don't need great talent - you need guys who are in consistently in proper position and playing within the scheme. You need guys who tackle.
Baker, on top of all the attitude problems, was out of position constantly and soft, and had little interest in sticking his nose into the fire.
Let someone else try to manage him, this is not the right place for him anymore. He would hurt the team.
-If it was simply a case of going to jail/not going to jail as a deciding factor for keeping him on the team, Giants might have taken a wait and see approach. There's likely a lot of shit about Baker that Giants wanted no part of, regardless of whether an official verdict of guilty was read.
-Anyone who thinks Mara doesn't get involved in a debacle of this magnitude, which affects the play of the team, the payroll, and most importantly the image of the team, please come see me for a slightly used bridge I have for sale. Bill L, you're local, so name your bridge. I can get you a really good bridge in Scotia that trucks keep getting stuck under.
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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Oh, that's what we should want, is it? We want to second guess the judge, do we?
"Look, I wish him the best of luck in the future. We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program, and that’s really all I have to say about that."-Joe Judge
"We’ve made the decision that we think is best for the program"- Notice he says "the program".
Doesn't say the team.
Says the program.
His program.
He has zero interest in Baker. Now, maybe Gettleman will try and pick him up anyway, but it won't be with Judge's blessing to be part of his program. He already knows he isn't a fit. But maybe we should force players Judge don't want down his throat anyway, eh? You can pray for Gettleman or Mara to sign him, cuz Judge sure ain't, and he ain't looking back either.
This is all there needs to be said. Clear and simple. The Giants want no part of him.
I'm sure Mara, Gettleman and Judge have their own opinions. I'm sure that if Judge wanted him back, Mara and Gettleman would ok it.
Judge does not want him back. May be the easiest sacrificial lamb case that there is for the rest of the team. Look what he did with Tate....
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Baker has talent. Everyone should want him back.
Is Brandon Williams really keeping him off this team?
Why people are actively posting against him is crazy to me.
Do you remember last season? Did you watch him play? He might have talent, but he sure didn't show it in a Giants uniform.
He was a rookie. Little early to give up on a 1st round pick if you ask me.
But they didn't ask you, and they probably never will.
They cut him. That was their decision.
Baker did this to himself, and it's unlikely the Giants did their due diligence on this and discovered otherwise. Zero football work ethic demonstrated, not to mention a weapon involved as part of a messy criminal and legal mess centered around him. Got to question his decisions, friends he keeps, and how seriously he takes his paid profession.
I get that he's a young dude who might have gotten a wake up call. But, I'm fine with saying he blew his opportunity with NYG, let someone else take the risk with him.
Clearly, fans don't know a thing about any of the aspects of this situation.
If the Giants have shown us nothing else this season, it is that there is a plan/system in place and that the leadership to execute it is in the building.
I'm commenting on all the people that were actively against bring him back...i don't get it? Why do we as fans not want more talent on the team? This statement has nothing to do with if the Giants want him or not, but why as fans would we not want him.
Now if the Giants decide, and it sounds like they have, to move on, that's a separate discussion. But again, i say, Why are fans rooting against a reunion, and this was before Judge made his comment? That's what i don't get.
I'm commenting on all the people that were actively against bring him back...i don't get it? Why do we as fans not want more talent on the team? This statement has nothing to do with if the Giants want him or not, but why as fans would we not want him.
Now if the Giants decide, and it sounds like they have, to move on, that's a separate discussion. But again, i say, Why are fans rooting against a reunion, and this was before Judge made his comment? That's what i don't get.
Because there appears to be a culture/personality/work ethic issue with Baker that factored into Judge's decision. If that's the case, why would anyone want Baker back?
I am as enthused about Judge as anyone, but he's also only 10 games into his career - we don't need to amplify the degree of difficulty just yet.
They cut him, that's what they did with him.
I don’t believe they cut him because they gave up on him after just one year. You never cut a number one pick after one year. That would be too embarrassing.
I believe he was cut for other reasons than his bad first year.