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Wayne Gallman

JoeyBigBlue : 11/17/2020 9:35 am
What an awesome story this kid has been so far this season. After being selected in the 4th round of 2017 draft, out of a big college program in Clemson, he fell out of favor with the previous coaching staff. It got so bad that Buck Allen came off the street and played over him.

This season Barkley gets hurt and he seems to rededicate himself to the game of football, and starts living up to his potential. He’s running hard in between the tackles and now has 4 straight games with a TD. He leads the team with 5 Touchdowns so far this season.

He’s a pending free agent and has earned himself a second contract. While I doubt the Giants sign him, he is on course to get a decent contract by an NFL team needing a second RB and spot starter. Where do you guys think he ends up?
Stays a Giant  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/17/2020 9:43 am : link
Why wouldn't we sign him? He won't be due a big contract and he has shown his worth and is young. Who would be Barkley's backup? 31 y.o. Morris? Freeman who is injury prone? For me it's a no brainer. You keep Gallman. He has proven his value to this team and is only 26 y.o.
Glad he is getting playing time  
rasbutant : 11/17/2020 9:44 am : link
Every time he got a shot he looked good. But every coaching staff has tried to find a replacement for him. Had to start wondering if he really wasn't any good. But to me he always looked good in the games. Only thing i can think of, is he must not show well in practice?! Glad he is doing well.
The fumbles were a big negative  
JonC : 11/17/2020 9:47 am : link
and there were times he visibly wasn't running hard enough to satisfy the coaches, his pass pro needed work, seemed to mentally check out at times when he struggled. It appears he's maturing and putting it together now.
RE: Stays a Giant  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/17/2020 9:49 am : link
In comment 15048727 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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Why wouldn't we sign him? He won't be due a big contract and he has shown his worth and is young. Who would be Barkley's backup? 31 y.o. Morris? Freeman who is injury prone? For me it's a no brainer. You keep Gallman. He has proven his value to this team and is only 26 y.o.



Guys on second contracts usually more then 2 million dollars per year (probably closer to $3). We can’t afford to pay that when we are already paying Barkley close to $9 million. You can get a RB late in draft or as a street FA.
I would love to know what he ACTUALLY thinks  
mattlawson : 11/17/2020 9:49 am : link
of this coaching staff and scheme vs what he encountered before. Not some BS - but his version of the truth
RE: The fumbles were a big negative  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/17/2020 9:50 am : link
In comment 15048741 JonC said:
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and there were times he visibly wasn't running hard enough to satisfy the coaches, his pass pro needed work, seemed to mentally check out at times when he struggled. It appears he's maturing and putting it together now.


I always thought his ball security was pretty good. Just unfortunate luck with guys getting helmets on the ball in such. I’m pretty sure his pass pro sank him. Can’t be a mediocre back and be awful in pass pro in today’s NFL.
Gallman  
1giantblue : 11/17/2020 10:02 am : link
Has really stepped his game up and I would not be disappointed if the Giants decided to keep him.
he's really come on.  
Victor in CT : 11/17/2020 10:04 am : link
definitely a keeper
Maybe wishful thinking on my part  
SLIM_ : 11/17/2020 10:04 am : link
but it may make sense for him to come back on a one year deal.

- I don't think he has showed enough (at least yet) to get starter money and his skill set isn't a specialized one. I think he still struggles in pass pro so not the best option as a 3rd down back. He is an alternate series type of backup.

- Barkely is coming off an injury so he could be the starter to start the year. The Giants are a team that looks to be dedicated to the run so I think he can get 200 touches as a part time starter/backup in this offense.

- He doesn't have the tread on his tires so even by giving up a year, he can still get a 3rd contract that he could play through.

- This is the 3rd coaching staff. I think he showed promise under McAdoo/Spags but then disappeared under Shurmur. Even as he showed promise, I'm sure that the year was a total shitshow. My thoughts are that he knows bad coaching which should make staying around more attractive.

- He is a Giant. The Giants won't (shouldn't) be bringing on any high draft pick rookies at RB. He should be locked into the second spot.
I've always seen his potential.  
darktimes : 11/17/2020 10:16 am : link
I've seen his play and it's always jumped off the screen to me, but he was never consistent.

I'm not surprised.
Does anyone know what exactly he did  
montanagiant : 11/17/2020 10:17 am : link
That got him in the dog house with Shurmer?
2 million for a proven  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/17/2020 10:32 am : link
RB in our offensive system is not going to break the bank. There is no guarantee Barkley will come back 100%. Agree you look for a late round draft pick but would much rather use that pick for a WR or edge rusher. No brainer. You sign Gallman.
As JJ said Wayne was in a different scheme at Clemson  
KeoweeFan : 11/17/2020 10:43 am : link
where he set school rushing records (until Etienne) as an every down back and led the nation in yards after contact. He was a good outlet target. Effort was not an issue.

I thought he'd be a "lunch bucket" RB who could dependably back up the starter and get the short yards when necessary.


"Fumbles" are overblown. He had a few in a row but his total was not out of line. His doghouse period was a mystery to me also.

Burton Burns may be responsible for what his resurgence.
I hope we keep him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/17/2020 10:44 am : link
He's proof you can have a solid running game without having a superstar RB.
Gee a 4th round pick  
GManinDC : 11/17/2020 10:47 am : link
that's pretty productive. He's exactly what is needed out of a backup. A guy that can start. He's been pretty good since they drafted him.

Hope they keep him. They keep letting the low draft picks walk..
Da Bears  
ChicagoMarty : 11/17/2020 10:54 am : link
could really use him now.

But Da Bears could really use some of our OL also.

I still can't believe we lost to them
RE: Gee a 4th round pick  
Big Blue '56 : 11/17/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 15048867 GManinDC said:
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that's pretty productive. He's exactly what is needed out of a backup. A guy that can start. He's been pretty good since they drafted him.

Hope they keep him. They keep letting the low draft picks walk..


I believe they will keep him and work out a deal. Just an opinion.
He's been IMO their most impressive player on offense  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2020 11:06 am : link
He's running really hard, in a way that reminds me a bit of Ahmad Bradshaw. Definitely making the most of the opportunity he has with Barkley out.
RE: 2 million for a proven  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/17/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 15048846 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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RB in our offensive system is not going to break the bank. There is no guarantee Barkley will come back 100%. Agree you look for a late round draft pick but would much rather use that pick for a WR or edge rusher. No brainer. You sign Gallman.



He’ll probably get closer to 3 million in Free Agency. He doesn’t have a lot of mileage on him.
RE: RE: Gee a 4th round pick  
GManinDC : 11/17/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 15048890 Big Blue '56 said:
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that's pretty productive. He's exactly what is needed out of a backup. A guy that can start. He's been pretty good since they drafted him.

Hope they keep him. They keep letting the low draft picks walk..



I believe they will keep him and work out a deal. Just an opinion.



BEAR HUG!! HEY MY BROTHA!!!

They better keep him. they keep getting rid of these players
Definitely liked Gallman coming out of Clemson  
RomanWH : 11/17/2020 11:18 am : link
He's been better than Andre Williams or Andre Brown(for those who forget you can't always count on mid round RBs). As much as I would like to resign Gallman, if he continues to play well down the stretch, I could see him pricing himself out of backup RB money. Some team might take a chance on him in free agency, much like how the Giants took a chance on Rashad Jennings who was a career backup at that point. Maybe the Falcons? Gurley's a FA after this season. The Dolphins could use a steady all-around back instead of the carousel of RBs they have used this season.
Doubt 3 million  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/17/2020 11:36 am : link
But even so, I stand by my opinion to keep him. If a draft pick falters and we have no backup to Barkley, run game could suffer greatly. That will put additional undue pressure on DJ and the offense. You sign Gallman.
He was a beast in the red zone  
joeinpa : 11/17/2020 12:28 pm : link
At Clemson

He was a big reason I wanted a quarterback rather than Barkley at #2
Consider: Barkley may not be ready to start the 2021 season.  
Ivan15 : 11/17/2020 12:59 pm : link
Gallman has not shown himself to be a good change-of-pace for Barkley because his weakness (pass protection) is the same weakness Barkley has. He hasn’t shown himself to be a reliable receiver either.

Keep him if you can do it cheaply, but be prepared to go in a different direction during the offseason or at the 2021 trading deadline. If he improves in PP or receiving, he would be worth keeping around.
I think he is just now understanding what it takes to be successful  
JohnB : 11/17/2020 1:06 pm : link
in the NFL. Before I didn't see that drive every time he touched the ball. Nothing is handed to you in the NFL, you have to take it and I didn't see him having that understanding.

I think he does now.
You guys are falling in love with mediocrities  
HomerJones45 : 11/17/2020 1:23 pm : link
been in the League going on 4 years. Never gained more than 475 yards and that was his rookie year. His longest run of his career is 26 yards. Averages about 4 yards a carry. He's not that big and not that fast. He's ok as a 3rd string back, but I wouldn't cry if he was replaced with someone faster and cheaper.
Gallman looks good on the field to me. Would like to see  
LBH15 : 11/17/2020 1:30 pm : link
a little better pass protection but the rest of the his body of work has been very good for a backup RB.

By the way, why can't our RBs pass protect better?

Barkley, Gallman and even Lewis has gotten worse at it since he became a Giant.

RE: RE: 2 million for a proven  
section125 : 11/17/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15048907 JoeyBigBlue said:
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RB in our offensive system is not going to break the bank. There is no guarantee Barkley will come back 100%. Agree you look for a late round draft pick but would much rather use that pick for a WR or edge rusher. No brainer. You sign Gallman.




He’ll probably get closer to 3 million in Free Agency. He doesn’t have a lot of mileage on him.


I doubt he approaches $1.5 in FA. There is a huge CAP downturn coming. A backup RB is not getting that kind of money. He is definitely not starting material.
He runs hard, knows the scheme well, has good hands  
Simms11 : 11/17/2020 1:50 pm : link
and would be a nice change of pace to SB. Love his jump cut too! Seems to run well behind this blocking scheme. Why not work out a deal?! It shouldn’t be a very big deal anyway.
He's been a positive but he should go  
armstead98 : 11/17/2020 1:53 pm : link
Giants have too many other priorities so allocating resources to a 2nd string RB on their 2nd contract just isn't worth it, especially when you have Saquon.

Giants should continue to try to find bargain veterans and look to the draft.
we can't afford a backup RB now?  
djm : 11/17/2020 2:24 pm : link
times are tough!
RE: we can't afford a backup RB now?  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/17/2020 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15049125 djm said:
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times are tough!



It’s not about that.. It’s about allocating resources properly. You can’t pay 3 mill a year for a back up RB, when you already have a guy making $9 million as the starter.
Exhibit B  
GManinDC : 11/17/2020 3:33 pm : link
I'll say this again

No one should EVER complain about:

1. Not giving draft picks a 2nd contract

2. No player Reese drafted after the 3rd round were bust

Let's add Gallman to the list of Kennard, Goodson, Romeo Okwara (UDFA),
Not going to cost Giants 3 million.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/17/2020 3:55 pm : link
Average 1st contract for a RB is 1.59 million. And that includes the starters. I say Gallman gets 2 years for $3.5 million. Just a guess.
Sorry.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/17/2020 3:56 pm : link
Average is $2.59 million. But includes starters.
Jordan Howard  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/17/2020 5:23 pm : link
Who’s been washed up for 2 years now, go 2 years and 9.75 million dollar deal with the Dolphins. I think Gallman could fetch just under those numbers in FA.
Not to get into a pissing match Joey but  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/17/2020 6:40 pm : link
C'mon. How about you compare apples to apples. Jordan Howard had 2 1000 yard seasons and another with 935 yards in his first 4 seasons. Very poor example. Gallman has 1037 yards in his entire career. I stand by my prediction Giants sign him for less than $2 million per year. Your example just confirms opinion.
RE: Not to get into a pissing match Joey but  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/17/2020 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15049364 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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C'mon. How about you compare apples to apples. Jordan Howard had 2 1000 yard seasons and another with 935 yards in his first 4 seasons. Very poor example. Gallman has 1037 yards in his entire career. I stand by my prediction Giants sign him for less than $2 million per year. Your example just confirms opinion.


Jordan Howard hasn’t been good since his last year in Chicago. Gallman has a ton more thread than Howard going into this season. Guys get paid in Free Agency. It’s the NFL game now.
Stepped up as a runner  
Mike in NY : 11/17/2020 8:35 pm : link
Still has a ways to go in terms of pulling away (too many shoestring tackles preventing big games) and in pass protection.
RE: You guys are falling in love with mediocrities  
LS : 11/17/2020 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15049044 HomerJones45 said:
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been in the League going on 4 years. Never gained more than 475 yards and that was his rookie year. His longest run of his career is 26 yards. Averages about 4 yards a carry. He's not that big and not that fast. He's ok as a 3rd string back, but I wouldn't cry if he was replaced with someone faster and cheaper.


I'll have to agree with this. Good backup, but you want more from your starter.
It's nice when a RB actually has some blocking in front of him.  
slickwilly : 11/17/2020 10:28 pm : link
I could go either way on Gallman. Depends on the price tag.
Gallman has played way better than I expected him to  
BelieveJJ : 11/17/2020 10:52 pm : link
in a few games this season. Better vision, better contact balance, more decisive, breaking tackle attempts.

Would certainly endorse keeping/extending him now. Don't want to rush Saquon back, we'll need a rotation next year.
RE: RE: The fumbles were a big negative  
Tuckrule : 11/18/2020 8:50 am : link
In comment 15048750 Zeke's Alibi said:
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and there were times he visibly wasn't running hard enough to satisfy the coaches, his pass pro needed work, seemed to mentally check out at times when he struggled. It appears he's maturing and putting it together now.



I always thought his ball security was pretty good. Just unfortunate luck with guys getting helmets on the ball in such. I’m pretty sure his pass pro sank him. Can’t be a mediocre back and be awful in pass pro in today’s NFL.


100 percent. His fumbles were bang bang plays that could have been ruled incomplete passes. 2 off the top of my head came on such plays. He’s always run hard not sure what the above comments are about. He showed it at Clemson. He showed it as a giant. When he filled in for saquon last season vs Washington he played very well. He’s been the exact same player his entire tenure here. Hes a north south runner with nimble feet and finishes off runs. The fact people are finally seeing the light with gallman is funny to me. It’s the same group who killed Jabril peppers all last season even though anyone who knows football knew he was playing very well on a shit defense with a shit coach.
RE: RE: You guys are falling in love with mediocrities  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2020 9:00 am : link
In comment 15049448 LS said:
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been in the League going on 4 years. Never gained more than 475 yards and that was his rookie year. His longest run of his career is 26 yards. Averages about 4 yards a carry. He's not that big and not that fast. He's ok as a 3rd string back, but I wouldn't cry if he was replaced with someone faster and cheaper.



I'll have to agree with this. Good backup, but you want more from your starter.


I don't see how fans can understand how terrible the OL situation is and also at the same time crush a RB for lack of production in counting stats. Not to say that I'm in favor of spending money on him, but this is a player that never got a fair shot of playing time, and when he did, played behind a terrible OL.
^^^^  
Tuckrule : 11/18/2020 9:25 am : link
Correct. Focusing on ypc is the dumbest thing people can do and shows a lack of football knowledge. Look at this past Sunday. His ypc dropped tremendously because he was in at the end of the game running out the clock in obvious run downs. Running into an 8 man box. He got plastered a few times and held onto the ball take away those runs his ypc goes way up.

Once again stats are for baseball
RE: Stays a Giant  
gmen4ever : 11/18/2020 9:30 am : link
In comment 15048727 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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Why wouldn't we sign him? He won't be due a big contract and he has shown his worth and is young. Who would be Barkley's backup? 31 y.o. Morris? Freeman who is injury prone? For me it's a no brainer. You keep Gallman. He has proven his value to this team and is only 26 y.o.


I agree...re-sign him!
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