That 1st Philly game still galls me. Oh well. My hope for the season was that Judge would show he is the right coach and brings a good staff, OL improvement, and that they would look like a real team that is prepared and plays hard every week. All 3 look to be happening, so to me, this is a good season that can get a lot better. Jones coming on and is fun to watch.
and finally some solid overall play from a team that seems to be gelling at the right time.
A couple of things for you:
1) I really feel like Austin Mack can be that chain mover, drive extender that we really need. We have the smaller, more compact receivers that live underneath mostly but, Mack gives us some size and in two games has show an ability to slant and use his body as a shield to the defender while catching a contested pass. That is really something we have not had since Nicks or better yet Burress. I think he can be a big help the rest of this year. Thoughts on Mack going forward?
2) I agree with you on the Jones designed runs, especially closer to the endzone (say 5-7 yards) as he took a pretty big shot on one run. What are your thoughts on more designed runs from a passing set up. Say in shotgun with the idea that you funnel the rushers in the middle and Jones keys one guy and if it is there he runs. Far less likely to take those more congested area shots and gives him more freedom to get 6-8 yards without little contact.
3) Thoughts on Garrett's running the WR reverse closer to the red zone. I felt that the SS run late in the 4th was a bad call. The potential gain, considering how close to the endzone we were, is minimal as the defenders were not going to drop or flow deep enough or fast enough to take them out of the play. Losing those yards ended up not costing points but, they could have. I would have preferred a more traditional run or even an off tackle run by Gallman.
4) I really want to see Cam Brown get more chances at Pass Rushing as he has quickness and length that we don't have with our edge guys. Your thoughts on Brown's limited time on defense and his potential.
on the OL depth front. Lemieux getting in there has led to premature calls for Zeitler being cut, and I wouldn't go there personally - unless you can bring in a guy like Thuney for comparable money (Thuney will be 28 next season).
Interesting point on Philly's backers. We've seen this year what even a single competent linebacker can do for a defense.
I think they cut Solder and keep Zeitler one more year as vet
How much do you think/feel Columbo and staff have helped this group or better yet do you think they are better at coaching this Ol group up than what we've had in the past?
Along the Jones mobility topic; I was thinking that they need to draft another QB this offseason or possibly upgrade McCoy as it is just inevitable that DJ taking more hits will likely lead to an injury. I don't want them to stop running him, but its just a matter of time until he runs in to some gung ho defender who decides to lay a cheap shot on him OR just a freak accident that happens on a good hit. Thoughts?
Finally, LBer play; I couldn't agree more and you could see the difference in our D from last year simply because of Martinez. And though they DEFINITELY SEEMED to scheme for him, I think Peppers and Ryan stepped up. I think THIS is where Graham has shown his exceptionism. I am getting ahead of myself, but I think he may be gone in a year or two if this keeps up.
for longer gains, but Thomas simply couldn’t sustain blocks on the second level. It was disappointing because the plays were otherwise perfectly executed.
Loved the QB run designs, but Jones is very much the Indy car to Kyler Murray’s Formula 1 car. He’s very fast in a straight line with limited maneuverability whereas Murray has stop go acceleration and elite lateral quickness. It caused Jones to take some big hits while running the ball. Thankfully, his ball protection showed major improvement. His numbers with a clean pocket and lack of “turnover worthy plays” bodes well for the future. I can’t think of a single throw where I said afterward, “He got away with one there.”
I thought the run defense was really poor most of the game and there were too many big names being easily handled by tight ends.
It wasn’t mentioned in the review, but Joe Judge badly out coached Doug Pederson.
Running the reverse isn’t about trying to make a 40 plus yard run.
A successful reverse generally only gets 10-20 yards.
Running the reverse is about setting up the dive. Don’t know if you noticed it, but we absolutely gashed them on 1 with a fake to reverse. Very well run play. Once you get down in there, it’s extremely difficult to run the ball straight up without a stud back or OL that pushes people off the ball.
I really like Mack, what a great blocker. That was an excellent catch
Sy - I know it is hard to give detailed analysis of every player (and there are younger guys who should get more attention than him) but did want to get more detailed thoughts if you don't mind of Yiadom. Do you think he has any hope of being a get bye or hold the fort starter for the beginning of next year IF we upgrade our pass rush and McKinney plays as well as projected and Holmes continues to improve.
I think most target ER/CB/WR as absolute needs. It sounds like you want to invest money in keeping the DL intact. Based on not being able to fill every hole, is there any chance we can think Yiadom/Beal and a late day2/early day 3 pick is a viable strategy.
RE: Running the reverse isn’t about trying to make a 40 plus yard run.
A successful reverse generally only gets 10-20 yards.
Running the reverse is about setting up the dive. Don’t know if you noticed it, but we absolutely gashed them on 1 with a fake to reverse. Very well run play. Once you get down in there, it’s extremely difficult to run the ball straight up without a stud back or OL that pushes people off the ball.
I am assuming your message was to my point and you are way wrong based on situation adn my overall point being made. We weren't setting anything up there as we were running clock and hoping to get them to use their timeouts. The reverse had no chance of success because the overall depth of the defense is not far enough from the LOS scrimmage to catch folks unaware or our of position. That late in the game it seemed to have little chance at success and ended up losing yardage. Early in the game is one thing, late in the 4th controlling the clock seemed like a bad choice.
Nice to see the duds limited to players that don't really factor into the teams long term future. Fackrell is just not built to set the edge...never a good look when they run his way and 21 isn't lined up on that side of the box.
Haven't watched the all 22 yet so I'm curious whether Love and Yiadom looked better in similar game situations or did PHI simply not make a great effort to go after them(?).
RE: I thought there were a few running plays that could’ve sprung
for longer gains, but Thomas simply couldn’t sustain blocks on the second level. It was disappointing because the plays were otherwise perfectly executed.
Loved the QB run designs, but Jones is very much the Indy car to Kyler Murray’s Formula 1 car. He’s very fast in a straight line with limited maneuverability whereas Murray has stop go acceleration and elite lateral quickness. It caused Jones to take some big hits while running the ball. Thankfully, his ball protection showed major improvement. His numbers with a clean pocket and lack of “turnover worthy plays” bodes well for the future. I can’t think of a single throw where I said afterward, “He got away with one there.”
I thought the run defense was really poor most of the game and there were too many big names being easily handled by tight ends.
It wasn’t mentioned in the review, but Joe Judge badly out coached Doug Pederson.
I saw the same thing, runs that looked like they could have went farther. After watching Skinners video, I blame the TE's for not getting bigger gains. It looked like the OL was doing its job, the TE's were missing on the LB's and DB's.
I totally agree on the OL depth. I think Zeitler stays. I think Solder is let go. I am all for looking for another solid interior oline type day 2 or early day 3 in the draft or a solid FA backup type.
Thought Holmes played his best game and I think that PI was a bad call. He was barely touching the WR arm who coincidently was stiff arming Holmes and probably should have been called for offensive PI. And Thomas hold was BS. Sweat should have been called for illegal hands to the face.
Also agree on the DJ designed runs. They need to be very limited, but I think he needs to takeoff a bit more frequently when the pocket collapses and he has a clear path to 5 yards of gain and get down like Murray.
Would love to see Peart at RT for the majority of the snaps going forward and use Fleming as intended, as backup.
If possible your thoughts on Yiadom as a viable CB. I can see him as a #4 CB, but not a starter. He is too slightly built IMV to be a dependable run defender.
If teams are starting to design D schemes against this, that would likely mean somebody else should be open past the LOS. Also, listening to JJ's presser he commented that Jones "isn't one to shy away from contact" (on his runs). Maybe a good time to err on the side of caution.
Despite no premier pass rusher/Edge, the pass rush by committee is showing production. NYG are 7th in the league in sacks and are actually getting decent pressure (albeit not consistently enough).
Belichick has been doing this in New England for the last five years since departing with Chandler Jones. Perhaps Judge has heisted some of this approach/strategy...
Notice over the last 5 games the D is giving up about 20 ppg. That's a very good trend.
Teach him how and when to go down. Murray, Jackson, Josh Allen run on a regular basis.
DJ is a big fast kid who can take a hit or two. Hopefully someone doesn’t go after his knees with their helmet....but you can’t prevent how people tackle.
Teach him how and when to go down. Murray, Jackson, Josh Allen run on a regular basis.
DJ is a big fast kid who can take a hit or two. Hopefully someone doesn’t go after his knees with their helmet....but you can’t prevent how people tackle.
Josh Allen is a lot bigger than DJ. He’s built pretty wiry for an NFL guy. Murray and Jackson are much better overall athletes than DJ. Gives you the ability to dodge the big ones. DJ should not be a 10 rush a game guy. More like an Aaron Rogers with some read option thrown in when the offense gets bogged down.
Teach him how and when to go down. Murray, Jackson, Josh Allen run on a regular basis.
DJ is a big fast kid who can take a hit or two. Hopefully someone doesn’t go after his knees with their helmet....but you can’t prevent how people tackle.
I'm sure you know this, but you can't teach what Murray and LJax do. Those are rare, God-given running skills.
Allen might be a better comparison, but he's wound differently. That's a Mike in a QB body. He can really take a hit and really run over defenders. But he's a big target who will eventually get crushed with his reckless style.
This should be a concern for Jones, too. He's at least 20 pounds lighter than Allen, but also a big target. He runs very upright, which increases his target size.
I absolutely like the designed runs. It plays to a strength. But there is going to be increased risk with Jones because of his running style.
or anyone else who might have some insight....
Why have they waited this long to switch Fleming out? Seems like they have 2 capable rookies who are at LEAST as decent as Fleming. I know they talk about rotation, but it seems to my untrained eye, that the majority of times Fleming is at best average and worst he's missing blocks. I think Thomas and Peart could do the same and are at this point in their careers comparatively they have more upside than Cam. I don't mean this as a bash fleming post, but more of a why not use your better linemen sooner post?
I agree with Sy about DJ's runs, I think Garrett should keep them in the gameplan, but no more than 2 or 3 per game. Just enough to force defenses to account for Jones, and not be able to go all out in pursuit of the RB. More than that isn't worth the injury risk, IMO.
While I might agree that I'd rather have 2 of the 3 and a Dynamic Edge, it's not as if there's such a simple exchange available..... and those 3 guys are setting a tone and delivering performance. It may be better to keep them and build it out from the dline.
While they may be 31st on the year, if you take their averages the last 3 weeks, they are middle of the pack in both yards(363) and points(24.3), against better than average defenses.
Agreed. But, to answer your question I would assume some has to do with the level of competition he came from, no true off season and training camp and a need to get stronger. Sometimes you live with physical limitations for a guy who knows his role, his assignment and won't make huge mental mistakes. He might get beat physically but, he knows what he is supposed to do. That said, Peart has been playing more and more and now is a great time to see him in action more.
I am in full support of creating even more depth along the OL but keeping both Solder and Zeitler next season is not feasible due to their cap numbers. If both agreed to pay cuts then I would like them back but I doubt they are willing to do that.
It’s better to sign Thuney draft another OL while also re-signing Fleming to serve as the swing tackle. The Giants need to bring in a better backup center unless they feel that Kyle Murphy is that guy.
there’s no reason to play Fleming anymore. Let him be the swing tackle once more. I’d definitely keep Zeitler around for another year and let Hernandez and Lemieux duke it out in camp next year, with the loser playing inside, swing back up. That said, drafting another OLineman in the top 4 rounds would add much needed quality depth as well.
“Seeing Zeitler go out and Hernandez come in got me thinking how this group needs to be addressed in the coming offseason.”
Not trashing the writer...but I’m so sick of needing to address the same thing year after year.
Not addressing it properly between 2010 and 2018 caused the mess they are just crawling out of. Players get hurt, retire, go to FA and if the replacements are not already on the team it wreaks havoc.
You can be sick all you want, but reality is replacement oline need to be acquired yearly. GMs miss on a few players, hit on some.
“Seeing Zeitler go out and Hernandez come in got me thinking how this group needs to be addressed in the coming offseason.”
Not trashing the writer...but I’m so sick of needing to address the same thing year after year.
Not addressing it properly between 2010 and 2018 caused the mess they are just crawling out of. Players get hurt, retire, go to FA and if the replacements are not already on the team it wreaks havoc.
You can be sick all you want, but reality is replacement oline need to be acquired yearly. GMs miss on a few players, hit on some.
That’s what I’m saying. We’ve been saying this for a decade and nothing has changed. It’s time!
So much of the winning formula for a team like the Giants
is simply not turning the ball over on offense and keep putting the other team inside/around their 20 yard line via good punts.
Keeps the game relatively low scoring. Doesn't overextend Defense. Allows for Garrett to keep calling plays that have higher success rate since they aren't built as an explosive-play Offense or a comeback one.
RE: So much of the winning formula for a team like the Giants
is simply not turning the ball over on offense and keep putting the other team inside/around their 20 yard line via good punts.
Keeps the game relatively low scoring. Doesn't overextend Defense. Allows for Garrett to keep calling plays that have higher success rate since they aren't built as an explosive-play Offense or a comeback one.
Bingo. This defense is very good at forcing turnovers and locking down in red zone. Give them field position all day and we’ll keep pts off the board and win the turnover battle.
review. Thanks. It was nice to see Jones not force throws. It's OK to punt or take a sack. We have limited weapons on offense. It's frustrating to need 10 plays to go 50 yards on most occasions, but that's what we have to deal with until Barkley returns, and we get other playmakers. And despite being gashed and missing some tackles, the defense has been solid, especially upfront. Bradberry has also been incredible. I see a well coached team that plays hard, mistakes notwithstanding.
When they still have major holes at CB, ER, WR, TE, and ILB
Exactly, they only have 23mill cap space and thats counting only 40 contracted players...no Gallman, Peppers and at least 11 other spots open. People think this is baseball and Giants can sign whoever they want, its ridiculious.
If they sign Tomlison > 16mill and L.Williams 18ish mill, then there is litterly no money left
and finally some solid overall play from a team that seems to be gelling at the right time.
A couple of things for you:
1) I really feel like Austin Mack can be that chain mover, drive extender that we really need. We have the smaller, more compact receivers that live underneath mostly but, Mack gives us some size and in two games has show an ability to slant and use his body as a shield to the defender while catching a contested pass. That is really something we have not had since Nicks or better yet Burress. I think he can be a big help the rest of this year. Thoughts on Mack going forward?
2) I agree with you on the Jones designed runs, especially closer to the endzone (say 5-7 yards) as he took a pretty big shot on one run. What are your thoughts on more designed runs from a passing set up. Say in shotgun with the idea that you funnel the rushers in the middle and Jones keys one guy and if it is there he runs. Far less likely to take those more congested area shots and gives him more freedom to get 6-8 yards without little contact.
3) Thoughts on Garrett's running the WR reverse closer to the red zone. I felt that the SS run late in the 4th was a bad call. The potential gain, considering how close to the endzone we were, is minimal as the defenders were not going to drop or flow deep enough or fast enough to take them out of the play. Losing those yards ended up not costing points but, they could have. I would have preferred a more traditional run or even an off tackle run by Gallman.
4) I really want to see Cam Brown get more chances at Pass Rushing as he has quickness and length that we don't have with our edge guys. Your thoughts on Brown's limited time on defense and his potential.
I do agree NYG could use more size and presence at WR to compliment what they currently have. I would rather them attack that this offseason via the draft or FA and let Mack compete with who they bring in. Not ready to hand him that role yet.
Running Jones from shotgun or under center is one and the same to me. Effective and necessary right now, but I am still nervous about doing this every week and be overly reliant on it. Just don't think it will end well.
Yes I have been saying I would like to see more Cam Brown off the edge. It is obvious the coaching staff does not view him as ready, as they took two guys off the street and put them in front of Brown on the depth chart. We knew he was developmental...so just gonna have to be patient.
How much do you think/feel Columbo and staff have helped this group or better yet do you think they are better at coaching this Ol group up than what we've had in the past?
Along the Jones mobility topic; I was thinking that they need to draft another QB this offseason or possibly upgrade McCoy as it is just inevitable that DJ taking more hits will likely lead to an injury. I don't want them to stop running him, but its just a matter of time until he runs in to some gung ho defender who decides to lay a cheap shot on him OR just a freak accident that happens on a good hit. Thoughts?
Finally, LBer play; I couldn't agree more and you could see the difference in our D from last year simply because of Martinez. And though they DEFINITELY SEEMED to scheme for him, I think Peppers and Ryan stepped up. I think THIS is where Graham has shown his exceptionism. I am getting ahead of myself, but I think he may be gone in a year or two if this keeps up.
Ironic I am answering this after they fire Columbo...but to me, the amount of adjustments and improvement we have seen from the young guys, Gates especially, is a good sign for the coaching staff. Hard to evaluate coaching from my office, though.
I am all about the quality backup QB and/or using a pick every year or two on a QB..
Sy - I know it is hard to give detailed analysis of every player (and there are younger guys who should get more attention than him) but did want to get more detailed thoughts if you don't mind of Yiadom. Do you think he has any hope of being a get bye or hold the fort starter for the beginning of next year IF we upgrade our pass rush and McKinney plays as well as projected and Holmes continues to improve.
I think most target ER/CB/WR as absolute needs. It sounds like you want to invest money in keeping the DL intact. Based on not being able to fill every hole, is there any chance we can think Yiadom/Beal and a late day2/early day 3 pick is a viable strategy.
Yiadom is in that tier of NFL corners that...yes could start on probably a dozen teams? Maybe a little less. He will have weeks where he exceeds expectations and then he has weeks where you can see he is replaceable. I felt the way you do about Ross Cockrell a couple years ago. Really liked what he did off the radar, wanted NYG to offer him long term...and he got little attention. Yiadom is what he is...a solid corner that plays physical that yes, can be an important puzzle piece but also can be found yearly on the market.
Nice to see the duds limited to players that don't really factor into the teams long term future. Fackrell is just not built to set the edge...never a good look when they run his way and 21 isn't lined up on that side of the box.
Haven't watched the all 22 yet so I'm curious whether Love and Yiadom looked better in similar game situations or did PHI simply not make a great effort to go after them(?).
Despite no premier pass rusher/Edge, the pass rush by committee is showing production. NYG are 7th in the league in sacks and are actually getting decent pressure (albeit not consistently enough).
Belichick has been doing this in New England for the last five years since departing with Chandler Jones. Perhaps Judge has heisted some of this approach/strategy...
Notice over the last 5 games the D is giving up about 20 ppg. That's a very good trend.
It is a great point and I have been tracking that as well. Miami seems to have the same approach (where Graham came from) and their defense has panned out well since the horrific start in 2019. They just want big and physical bodies up front that can 2-gap and then they scheme the pressure.
Personally I think it is always worth having that one guy coming off the edge, I think it impacts the OL and QB mentally play after play...but I do agree they can get by without it.
I am in full support of creating even more depth along the OL but keeping both Solder and Zeitler next season is not feasible due to their cap numbers. If both agreed to pay cuts then I would like them back but I doubt they are willing to do that.
It’s better to sign Thuney draft another OL while also re-signing Fleming to serve as the swing tackle. The Giants need to bring in a better backup center unless they feel that Kyle Murphy is that guy.
I understand the cap implications of keeping both. I do think you could cut down Solder a bit, he knows he won't get a decent offer if NYG released him. Zeitler you can eat for another year, NYG has plenty of money.
or anyone else who might have some insight....
Why have they waited this long to switch Fleming out? Seems like they have 2 capable rookies who are at LEAST as decent as Fleming. I know they talk about rotation, but it seems to my untrained eye, that the majority of times Fleming is at best average and worst he's missing blocks. I think Thomas and Peart could do the same and are at this point in their careers comparatively they have more upside than Cam. I don't mean this as a bash fleming post, but more of a why not use your better linemen sooner post?
This is where it may have to do with the mental side? Maybe Peart just hasnt had enough reps yet to really know all the calls and adjustments. Remember, this offseason was unlike any we have seen. I do think we will see Peart starting soon, though.
Just have to remember that certain players need more patience than others. ARFI linebacker Isaiah Simmons is just-now getting 50+% snaps. He is playing well, but it just took some extra time.
Despite no premier pass rusher/Edge, the pass rush by committee is showing production. NYG are 7th in the league in sacks and are actually getting decent pressure (albeit not consistently enough).
Belichick has been doing this in New England for the last five years since departing with Chandler Jones. Perhaps Judge has heisted some of this approach/strategy...
Notice over the last 5 games the D is giving up about 20 ppg. That's a very good trend.
It is a great point and I have been tracking that as well. Miami seems to have the same approach (where Graham came from) and their defense has panned out well since the horrific start in 2019. They just want big and physical bodies up front that can 2-gap and then they scheme the pressure.
Personally I think it is always worth having that one guy coming off the edge, I think it impacts the OL and QB mentally play after play...but I do agree they can get by without it.
Agreed.
Belichick sort of flips the script to conventional wisdom. He forgoes the high dollar pass rusher and builds a stellar back four who are versatile and interchangeable. And then he poaches less heralded guys like Ninkovich and Van Noy to generate "good" pressure....It's a thing of beauty when it works...
Miami is pulling this off because they have - IMV - two of the best cover corners in the NFL with Jones and Howard.
It's just fascinating seeing this "rush-by-committee" start to evolve here. I think we can trace some of this to the stellar play of Bradberry (entire season) and Peppers (the last month)...
DG laid the foot prints to attempt this with so much investment in the
secondary. Problem is he whiffed a bunch. The analytics backs this theory up as well, interesting for the “computah guy”.
I've been thinking a lot about this.
Was this shift in strategy on DG?
Or perhaps Judge saw the opportunity? Knew Graham would buy in, hired him, and pushed then hard for Bradberry. Felt there was significant opportunity to build out further with the flexibility of Peppers and found his "Van Noy" in Fackrell...
So it seems more dots are connected to Judge...
RE: RE: DG laid the foot prints to attempt this with so much investment in the
secondary. Problem is he whiffed a bunch. The analytics backs this theory up as well, interesting for the “computah guy”.
I've been thinking a lot about this.
Was this shift in strategy on DG?
Or perhaps Judge saw the opportunity? Knew Graham would buy in, hired him, and pushed then hard for Bradberry. Felt there was significant opportunity to build out further with the flexibility of Peppers and found his "Van Noy" in Fackrell...
So it seems more dots are connected to Judge...
It certainly doesn't have to be "one or the other."
As always, great review, though I think Solder is pretty much toast and Zeitler is too much cap allocation.
A couple of things for you:
1) I really feel like Austin Mack can be that chain mover, drive extender that we really need. We have the smaller, more compact receivers that live underneath mostly but, Mack gives us some size and in two games has show an ability to slant and use his body as a shield to the defender while catching a contested pass. That is really something we have not had since Nicks or better yet Burress. I think he can be a big help the rest of this year. Thoughts on Mack going forward?
2) I agree with you on the Jones designed runs, especially closer to the endzone (say 5-7 yards) as he took a pretty big shot on one run. What are your thoughts on more designed runs from a passing set up. Say in shotgun with the idea that you funnel the rushers in the middle and Jones keys one guy and if it is there he runs. Far less likely to take those more congested area shots and gives him more freedom to get 6-8 yards without little contact.
3) Thoughts on Garrett's running the WR reverse closer to the red zone. I felt that the SS run late in the 4th was a bad call. The potential gain, considering how close to the endzone we were, is minimal as the defenders were not going to drop or flow deep enough or fast enough to take them out of the play. Losing those yards ended up not costing points but, they could have. I would have preferred a more traditional run or even an off tackle run by Gallman.
4) I really want to see Cam Brown get more chances at Pass Rushing as he has quickness and length that we don't have with our edge guys. Your thoughts on Brown's limited time on defense and his potential.
Interesting point on Philly's backers. We've seen this year what even a single competent linebacker can do for a defense.
How much do you think/feel Columbo and staff have helped this group or better yet do you think they are better at coaching this Ol group up than what we've had in the past?
Along the Jones mobility topic; I was thinking that they need to draft another QB this offseason or possibly upgrade McCoy as it is just inevitable that DJ taking more hits will likely lead to an injury. I don't want them to stop running him, but its just a matter of time until he runs in to some gung ho defender who decides to lay a cheap shot on him OR just a freak accident that happens on a good hit. Thoughts?
Finally, LBer play; I couldn't agree more and you could see the difference in our D from last year simply because of Martinez. And though they DEFINITELY SEEMED to scheme for him, I think Peppers and Ryan stepped up. I think THIS is where Graham has shown his exceptionism. I am getting ahead of myself, but I think he may be gone in a year or two if this keeps up.
Loved the QB run designs, but Jones is very much the Indy car to Kyler Murray’s Formula 1 car. He’s very fast in a straight line with limited maneuverability whereas Murray has stop go acceleration and elite lateral quickness. It caused Jones to take some big hits while running the ball. Thankfully, his ball protection showed major improvement. His numbers with a clean pocket and lack of “turnover worthy plays” bodes well for the future. I can’t think of a single throw where I said afterward, “He got away with one there.”
I thought the run defense was really poor most of the game and there were too many big names being easily handled by tight ends.
It wasn’t mentioned in the review, but Joe Judge badly out coached Doug Pederson.
Running the reverse is about setting up the dive. Don’t know if you noticed it, but we absolutely gashed them on 1 with a fake to reverse. Very well run play. Once you get down in there, it’s extremely difficult to run the ball straight up without a stud back or OL that pushes people off the ball.
I think most target ER/CB/WR as absolute needs. It sounds like you want to invest money in keeping the DL intact. Based on not being able to fill every hole, is there any chance we can think Yiadom/Beal and a late day2/early day 3 pick is a viable strategy.
Running the reverse is about setting up the dive. Don’t know if you noticed it, but we absolutely gashed them on 1 with a fake to reverse. Very well run play. Once you get down in there, it’s extremely difficult to run the ball straight up without a stud back or OL that pushes people off the ball.
I am assuming your message was to my point and you are way wrong based on situation adn my overall point being made. We weren't setting anything up there as we were running clock and hoping to get them to use their timeouts. The reverse had no chance of success because the overall depth of the defense is not far enough from the LOS scrimmage to catch folks unaware or our of position. That late in the game it seemed to have little chance at success and ended up losing yardage. Early in the game is one thing, late in the 4th controlling the clock seemed like a bad choice.
Nice to see the duds limited to players that don't really factor into the teams long term future. Fackrell is just not built to set the edge...never a good look when they run his way and 21 isn't lined up on that side of the box.
Haven't watched the all 22 yet so I'm curious whether Love and Yiadom looked better in similar game situations or did PHI simply not make a great effort to go after them(?).
Loved the QB run designs, but Jones is very much the Indy car to Kyler Murray’s Formula 1 car. He’s very fast in a straight line with limited maneuverability whereas Murray has stop go acceleration and elite lateral quickness. It caused Jones to take some big hits while running the ball. Thankfully, his ball protection showed major improvement. His numbers with a clean pocket and lack of “turnover worthy plays” bodes well for the future. I can’t think of a single throw where I said afterward, “He got away with one there.”
I thought the run defense was really poor most of the game and there were too many big names being easily handled by tight ends.
It wasn’t mentioned in the review, but Joe Judge badly out coached Doug Pederson.
I saw the same thing, runs that looked like they could have went farther. After watching Skinners video, I blame the TE's for not getting bigger gains. It looked like the OL was doing its job, the TE's were missing on the LB's and DB's.
Thought Holmes played his best game and I think that PI was a bad call. He was barely touching the WR arm who coincidently was stiff arming Holmes and probably should have been called for offensive PI. And Thomas hold was BS. Sweat should have been called for illegal hands to the face.
Also agree on the DJ designed runs. They need to be very limited, but I think he needs to takeoff a bit more frequently when the pocket collapses and he has a clear path to 5 yards of gain and get down like Murray.
Would love to see Peart at RT for the majority of the snaps going forward and use Fleming as intended, as backup.
If possible your thoughts on Yiadom as a viable CB. I can see him as a #4 CB, but not a starter. He is too slightly built IMV to be a dependable run defender.
Belichick has been doing this in New England for the last five years since departing with Chandler Jones. Perhaps Judge has heisted some of this approach/strategy...
Notice over the last 5 games the D is giving up about 20 ppg. That's a very good trend.
DJ is a big fast kid who can take a hit or two. Hopefully someone doesn’t go after his knees with their helmet....but you can’t prevent how people tackle.
DJ is a big fast kid who can take a hit or two. Hopefully someone doesn’t go after his knees with their helmet....but you can’t prevent how people tackle.
Josh Allen is a lot bigger than DJ. He’s built pretty wiry for an NFL guy. Murray and Jackson are much better overall athletes than DJ. Gives you the ability to dodge the big ones. DJ should not be a 10 rush a game guy. More like an Aaron Rogers with some read option thrown in when the offense gets bogged down.
DJ is a big fast kid who can take a hit or two. Hopefully someone doesn’t go after his knees with their helmet....but you can’t prevent how people tackle.
I'm sure you know this, but you can't teach what Murray and LJax do. Those are rare, God-given running skills.
Allen might be a better comparison, but he's wound differently. That's a Mike in a QB body. He can really take a hit and really run over defenders. But he's a big target who will eventually get crushed with his reckless style.
This should be a concern for Jones, too. He's at least 20 pounds lighter than Allen, but also a big target. He runs very upright, which increases his target size.
I absolutely like the designed runs. It plays to a strength. But there is going to be increased risk with Jones because of his running style.
Why have they waited this long to switch Fleming out? Seems like they have 2 capable rookies who are at LEAST as decent as Fleming. I know they talk about rotation, but it seems to my untrained eye, that the majority of times Fleming is at best average and worst he's missing blocks. I think Thomas and Peart could do the same and are at this point in their careers comparatively they have more upside than Cam. I don't mean this as a bash fleming post, but more of a why not use your better linemen sooner post?
While they may be 31st on the year, if you take their averages the last 3 weeks, they are middle of the pack in both yards(363) and points(24.3), against better than average defenses.
Agreed. But, to answer your question I would assume some has to do with the level of competition he came from, no true off season and training camp and a need to get stronger. Sometimes you live with physical limitations for a guy who knows his role, his assignment and won't make huge mental mistakes. He might get beat physically but, he knows what he is supposed to do. That said, Peart has been playing more and more and now is a great time to see him in action more.
It’s better to sign Thuney draft another OL while also re-signing Fleming to serve as the swing tackle. The Giants need to bring in a better backup center unless they feel that Kyle Murphy is that guy.
Not trashing the writer...but I’m so sick of needing to address the same thing year after year.
Not trashing the writer...but I’m so sick of needing to address the same thing year after year.
Not addressing it properly between 2010 and 2018 caused the mess they are just crawling out of. Players get hurt, retire, go to FA and if the replacements are not already on the team it wreaks havoc.
You can be sick all you want, but reality is replacement oline need to be acquired yearly. GMs miss on a few players, hit on some.
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“Seeing Zeitler go out and Hernandez come in got me thinking how this group needs to be addressed in the coming offseason.”
Not trashing the writer...but I’m so sick of needing to address the same thing year after year.
Not addressing it properly between 2010 and 2018 caused the mess they are just crawling out of. Players get hurt, retire, go to FA and if the replacements are not already on the team it wreaks havoc.
You can be sick all you want, but reality is replacement oline need to be acquired yearly. GMs miss on a few players, hit on some.
That’s what I’m saying. We’ve been saying this for a decade and nothing has changed. It’s time!
Keeps the game relatively low scoring. Doesn't overextend Defense. Allows for Garrett to keep calling plays that have higher success rate since they aren't built as an explosive-play Offense or a comeback one.
Keeps the game relatively low scoring. Doesn't overextend Defense. Allows for Garrett to keep calling plays that have higher success rate since they aren't built as an explosive-play Offense or a comeback one.
Bingo. This defense is very good at forcing turnovers and locking down in red zone. Give them field position all day and we’ll keep pts off the board and win the turnover battle.
Exactly, they only have 23mill cap space and thats counting only 40 contracted players...no Gallman, Peppers and at least 11 other spots open. People think this is baseball and Giants can sign whoever they want, its ridiculious.
If they sign Tomlison > 16mill and L.Williams 18ish mill, then there is litterly no money left
A couple of things for you:
1) I really feel like Austin Mack can be that chain mover, drive extender that we really need. We have the smaller, more compact receivers that live underneath mostly but, Mack gives us some size and in two games has show an ability to slant and use his body as a shield to the defender while catching a contested pass. That is really something we have not had since Nicks or better yet Burress. I think he can be a big help the rest of this year. Thoughts on Mack going forward?
2) I agree with you on the Jones designed runs, especially closer to the endzone (say 5-7 yards) as he took a pretty big shot on one run. What are your thoughts on more designed runs from a passing set up. Say in shotgun with the idea that you funnel the rushers in the middle and Jones keys one guy and if it is there he runs. Far less likely to take those more congested area shots and gives him more freedom to get 6-8 yards without little contact.
3) Thoughts on Garrett's running the WR reverse closer to the red zone. I felt that the SS run late in the 4th was a bad call. The potential gain, considering how close to the endzone we were, is minimal as the defenders were not going to drop or flow deep enough or fast enough to take them out of the play. Losing those yards ended up not costing points but, they could have. I would have preferred a more traditional run or even an off tackle run by Gallman.
4) I really want to see Cam Brown get more chances at Pass Rushing as he has quickness and length that we don't have with our edge guys. Your thoughts on Brown's limited time on defense and his potential.
I do agree NYG could use more size and presence at WR to compliment what they currently have. I would rather them attack that this offseason via the draft or FA and let Mack compete with who they bring in. Not ready to hand him that role yet.
Running Jones from shotgun or under center is one and the same to me. Effective and necessary right now, but I am still nervous about doing this every week and be overly reliant on it. Just don't think it will end well.
Yes I have been saying I would like to see more Cam Brown off the edge. It is obvious the coaching staff does not view him as ready, as they took two guys off the street and put them in front of Brown on the depth chart. We knew he was developmental...so just gonna have to be patient.
How much do you think/feel Columbo and staff have helped this group or better yet do you think they are better at coaching this Ol group up than what we've had in the past?
Along the Jones mobility topic; I was thinking that they need to draft another QB this offseason or possibly upgrade McCoy as it is just inevitable that DJ taking more hits will likely lead to an injury. I don't want them to stop running him, but its just a matter of time until he runs in to some gung ho defender who decides to lay a cheap shot on him OR just a freak accident that happens on a good hit. Thoughts?
Finally, LBer play; I couldn't agree more and you could see the difference in our D from last year simply because of Martinez. And though they DEFINITELY SEEMED to scheme for him, I think Peppers and Ryan stepped up. I think THIS is where Graham has shown his exceptionism. I am getting ahead of myself, but I think he may be gone in a year or two if this keeps up.
Ironic I am answering this after they fire Columbo...but to me, the amount of adjustments and improvement we have seen from the young guys, Gates especially, is a good sign for the coaching staff. Hard to evaluate coaching from my office, though.
I am all about the quality backup QB and/or using a pick every year or two on a QB..
I think most target ER/CB/WR as absolute needs. It sounds like you want to invest money in keeping the DL intact. Based on not being able to fill every hole, is there any chance we can think Yiadom/Beal and a late day2/early day 3 pick is a viable strategy.
Yiadom is in that tier of NFL corners that...yes could start on probably a dozen teams? Maybe a little less. He will have weeks where he exceeds expectations and then he has weeks where you can see he is replaceable. I felt the way you do about Ross Cockrell a couple years ago. Really liked what he did off the radar, wanted NYG to offer him long term...and he got little attention. Yiadom is what he is...a solid corner that plays physical that yes, can be an important puzzle piece but also can be found yearly on the market.
Nice to see the duds limited to players that don't really factor into the teams long term future. Fackrell is just not built to set the edge...never a good look when they run his way and 21 isn't lined up on that side of the box.
Haven't watched the all 22 yet so I'm curious whether Love and Yiadom looked better in similar game situations or did PHI simply not make a great effort to go after them(?).
I thought both played well, Love in particular.
Belichick has been doing this in New England for the last five years since departing with Chandler Jones. Perhaps Judge has heisted some of this approach/strategy...
Notice over the last 5 games the D is giving up about 20 ppg. That's a very good trend.
It is a great point and I have been tracking that as well. Miami seems to have the same approach (where Graham came from) and their defense has panned out well since the horrific start in 2019. They just want big and physical bodies up front that can 2-gap and then they scheme the pressure.
Personally I think it is always worth having that one guy coming off the edge, I think it impacts the OL and QB mentally play after play...but I do agree they can get by without it.
It’s better to sign Thuney draft another OL while also re-signing Fleming to serve as the swing tackle. The Giants need to bring in a better backup center unless they feel that Kyle Murphy is that guy.
I understand the cap implications of keeping both. I do think you could cut down Solder a bit, he knows he won't get a decent offer if NYG released him. Zeitler you can eat for another year, NYG has plenty of money.
Why have they waited this long to switch Fleming out? Seems like they have 2 capable rookies who are at LEAST as decent as Fleming. I know they talk about rotation, but it seems to my untrained eye, that the majority of times Fleming is at best average and worst he's missing blocks. I think Thomas and Peart could do the same and are at this point in their careers comparatively they have more upside than Cam. I don't mean this as a bash fleming post, but more of a why not use your better linemen sooner post?
This is where it may have to do with the mental side? Maybe Peart just hasnt had enough reps yet to really know all the calls and adjustments. Remember, this offseason was unlike any we have seen. I do think we will see Peart starting soon, though.
Just have to remember that certain players need more patience than others. ARFI linebacker Isaiah Simmons is just-now getting 50+% snaps. He is playing well, but it just took some extra time.
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Despite no premier pass rusher/Edge, the pass rush by committee is showing production. NYG are 7th in the league in sacks and are actually getting decent pressure (albeit not consistently enough).
Belichick has been doing this in New England for the last five years since departing with Chandler Jones. Perhaps Judge has heisted some of this approach/strategy...
Notice over the last 5 games the D is giving up about 20 ppg. That's a very good trend.
It is a great point and I have been tracking that as well. Miami seems to have the same approach (where Graham came from) and their defense has panned out well since the horrific start in 2019. They just want big and physical bodies up front that can 2-gap and then they scheme the pressure.
Personally I think it is always worth having that one guy coming off the edge, I think it impacts the OL and QB mentally play after play...but I do agree they can get by without it.
Agreed.
Belichick sort of flips the script to conventional wisdom. He forgoes the high dollar pass rusher and builds a stellar back four who are versatile and interchangeable. And then he poaches less heralded guys like Ninkovich and Van Noy to generate "good" pressure....It's a thing of beauty when it works...
Miami is pulling this off because they have - IMV - two of the best cover corners in the NFL with Jones and Howard.
It's just fascinating seeing this "rush-by-committee" start to evolve here. I think we can trace some of this to the stellar play of Bradberry (entire season) and Peppers (the last month)...
I've been thinking a lot about this.
Was this shift in strategy on DG?
Or perhaps Judge saw the opportunity? Knew Graham would buy in, hired him, and pushed then hard for Bradberry. Felt there was significant opportunity to build out further with the flexibility of Peppers and found his "Van Noy" in Fackrell...
So it seems more dots are connected to Judge...
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secondary. Problem is he whiffed a bunch. The analytics backs this theory up as well, interesting for the “computah guy”.
I've been thinking a lot about this.
Was this shift in strategy on DG?
Or perhaps Judge saw the opportunity? Knew Graham would buy in, hired him, and pushed then hard for Bradberry. Felt there was significant opportunity to build out further with the flexibility of Peppers and found his "Van Noy" in Fackrell...
So it seems more dots are connected to Judge...
It certainly doesn't have to be "one or the other."