Will we lose either coordinator?

But arent the new proposed rules going to promote teams to hiring white coordinators so they dont get lost to coaching hires?

The Giants O has been decent at times, but ranks towards the bottom in yards and PPG. Jones has shown flashes, but really has not made a lot of progress. Graham is the more likely candidate because he will satisfy the Rooney Rule in terms of interviews and the Giants D has overperformed even though the lack of pass rush at times is beyond frustrating.

Go into affect this offseason? It would hurt to lose Graham but receiving two 3rd round comp picks helps.

If they have a sterling year next year, then perhaps.

Wants to be a one and done offensive coordinator aka he’s staying. Say what you want about his scheme, but I think it’s solid and he has a tremendous feel for callin games

but let's see how these next 7 regular season games play out.

Evidence of anything in video

Graham. I think we get at least two.

In comment 15048950 Mike in NY said:

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The Giants O has been decent at times, but ranks towards the bottom in yards and PPG. Jones has shown flashes, but really has not made a lot of progress. Graham is the more likely candidate because he will satisfy the Rooney Rule in terms of interviews and the Giants D has overperformed even though the lack of pass rush at times is beyond frustrating.

It’s possible (I don’t know either way), that 9 1/2 years as a HC was enough for JG and that being an OC of a young squad gives him much less stress..

Judge seems to have a pretty solid Rolodex.

if a coordinator leaves I have a lot of confidence in Judge to find a good replacement.

would be great for Jones and for our defense to have some consistency

and the right program is that you're developing your coaching staff in a similar fashion to your roster. Depth, flexibility, continued growth, etc.

Granted, it would not feel good to see Graham go so soon. The product he's put forth has been damned impressive.

Do you think other coaches would be wanting to come to NY based on how Judge has turned the team around?
Might not be all bad to lose a coach in that case.


Garrett to the Jets. There, I said it! (joking)

In comment 15048973 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15048950 Mike in NY said: Quote: The Giants O has been decent at times, but ranks towards the bottom in yards and PPG. Jones has shown flashes, but really has not made a lot of progress. Graham is the more likely candidate because he will satisfy the Rooney Rule in terms of interviews and the Giants D has overperformed even though the lack of pass rush at times is beyond frustrating. It’s possible (I don’t know either way), that 9 1/2 years as a HC was enough for JG and that being an OC of a young squad gives him much less stress..

I doubt that is much consideration unless the only HC option is for a team that is going to be a disaster. Losing Garrett is less of an issue because we have Kitchens and Dooley who could move into OC role. On the current staff, only Bielema looks like a logical candidate to replace Graham unless Detroit fires Matt Patricia and Joe Judge hires him.

I know we are all euphoric from beating the Eagles, and we have playoff hopes and the arrow is pointing up. But I don't think we have to worry about our coordinators being poached until we actually start winning.

Then I realized Jones would be on his 3rd OC in 2 years

In comment 15049013 chopperhatch said:

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Then I realized Jones would be on his 3rd OC in 2 years

This. And our defense would have to start over too if Graham got lured away.

Garrett's HC experience and frankly successful record as a HC is going to get a bunch of teams interested.

How much 1-year improvement occurs.

I think they both stay. Garrett’s chances of being hired may be better because of his experience and if the prospective coaching pool is very shallow.

In comment 15048952 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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If they have a sterling year next year, then perhaps.

This sounds right.

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Garrett to the Jets. There, I said it! (joking)

I don't think that is far fetched. That franchise needs a guy who has been put through adversity, has experience and can develop a QB (whether thats Darnold or the next guy). Garrett doesn't seem like a lightening rod, isn't a blow hard and has won. If they want to go the young gun/new school route, which for the Jets would be more perilous, I think, then maybe they look at Graham.

But if we do I’m pretty sure we get a couple extra 3rd round picks

He’s been good

I doubt it.

a coordinator from a 3-7 team in the worst division in the history of the NFL, you have to take it.

I think either may get interviews, but I don't think Garrett wants to get back to being a HC so soon. I think he wants to sit tight for at least another year.

Graham probably gets interviews, but he's probably another year away at least from getting an offer.

Graham stays under the radar and has more to prove ...JG on the other hand is a proven head coach who has also shown good progress with the Giants. He could be on the list for a number of jobs including the Jests, Houston, Jax, Atlanta and maybe a couple of others. But, as posted above, he might be content to hang another year or 2 as our OC and then (LOL) return to Dallas when a Jerrah fires McCarthy.

Will probably get some interviews.

and probably Patricia as well.

In comment 15048973 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15048950 Mike in NY said: Quote: The Giants O has been decent at times, but ranks towards the bottom in yards and PPG. Jones has shown flashes, but really has not made a lot of progress. Graham is the more likely candidate because he will satisfy the Rooney Rule in terms of interviews and the Giants D has overperformed even though the lack of pass rush at times is beyond frustrating. It’s possible (I don’t know either way), that 9 1/2 years as a HC was enough for JG and that being an OC of a young squad gives him much less stress..

Welcome back, hadn't seen you in a while. Glad to see you posting.

In comment 15049132 rasbutant said:

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and probably Patricia as well.

Good point. Although if Daniels decides to leave New England, O'Brien would certainly be an instant contender to replace him.


I always thought Patricia was riding shotgun on that D to BB. So I never found him that intriguing.

While we're making some progress it would be a tough sell to hire either one of our coordinators. Even if we miraculously got to 6-10 or 7-9, I still think it's probably a year early before we're looking at any departures. If we make the leap to solid/good next year then you might get some phone calls.

the second any of our coordinators look good they become a risk for leaving. this happened with Spags. 2 years and he was given a head coaching job which was a disaster. he's not even a top DC year in and year out.

we need these guys to be Dick Lebeau types.

In comment 15049020 BlackLight said:

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In comment 15049013 chopperhatch said: Quote: Then I realized Jones would be on his 3rd OC in 2 years This. And our defense would have to start over too if Graham got lured away. Garrett's HC experience and frankly successful record as a HC is going to get a bunch of teams interested.

Im not so sure about there being much of a gap btwn Graham's D this year and whatever the next DC will do. I mean, its not like Graham is running any exotic blitz packages or weird coverages from the backers. He has very much been a "keep it all in front of you, because my personnel is lame" coach with the occasional blitz in the 2nd half by Peppers or Ryan. I dont hate his D, but he is playing the epitome of bend but dont break.

In comment 15049422 chopperhatch said:

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Im not so sure about there being much of a gap btwn Graham's D this year and whatever the next DC will do. I mean, its not like Graham is running any exotic blitz packages or weird coverages from the backers. He has very much been a "keep it all in front of you, because my personnel is lame" coach with the occasional blitz in the 2nd half by Peppers or Ryan. I dont hate his D, but he is playing the epitome of bend but dont break.

That's funny. I heard the opposite last week. I forget who it was - may have been Greg Cosell - but they were crediting Graham for doing an excellent job disguising defenses, particularly in the secondary. And that was a key reason why the Giants D continues to improve...

Don't think after this COVID season that a lot of coaching jobs will even open up other then the Jets, Texans, Atlanta what else will be out there?

and may have wanted to be home for a long time. He grew up a Giants fan and seems to be really enjoy doing what he is doing. Graham is also the assistant head coach so a lateral move is not probable. He may have opportunities for a HC job, but I don't think it will be after this season. I think he would have to put together a couple of really good seasons together before somebody would make him a serious offer.

the Jets, after Tidd Bowles' success there.

Also to be reunited with Corey Ballentine.

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