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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:24 am
27 and 38 for 23. Per Woj.. take Bane or Flynn at 23
Why do this now?  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:25 am : link
why not wait?
RE: Why do this now?  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:26 am : link
In comment 15049620 nygiants16 said:
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why not wait?


Agreed. Very odd.
Knicks must  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 9:26 am : link
really like someone at 23.
seems a little strange  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 9:26 am : link
to do this now as opposed to during the draft.
RE: seems a little strange  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:27 am : link
In comment 15049624 Enzo said:
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to do this now as opposed to during the draft.


Yup, unless they are using 8 and 23 to move up, or using 23 for another player?
I like Flynn, but I like Tyrell Terry more.  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 9:27 am : link
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RE: Knicks must  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 15049623 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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really like someone at 23.


Yeah, but how do we know who will be available at 23? And how do we know that he won't be available at 27?


Weird trade
Only way this makes sense  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 9:28 am : link
Is if they are using 8 & 23 to move up IMO. Otherwise makes no sense to do this now.
Giving up #38 to move up 4 spots late in the 1st.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 9:28 am : link
Not sure if I like the value this early in the game unless the Knicks plan on using #8 and #23 to move even further up.
So, if someone takes their guy early they're a laughingstock?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2020 9:28 am : link
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Maybe Rose knows  
Jan in DC : 11/18/2020 9:29 am : link
who is being targeted by teams within the range of that jump. Because without that, it doesn't really make sense to pull the trigger on that trade now.
RE: Only way this makes sense  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:29 am : link
In comment 15049631 Big Rick in FL said:
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Is if they are using 8 & 23 to move up IMO. Otherwise makes no sense to do this now.


True. Could be that.
it makes sense  
Giantsfan79 : 11/18/2020 9:29 am : link
if they are planning to package the picks for something else and needed the extra value the 23rd pick provides compared to the 27th pick.

otherwise yeah why didn't they work out this trade in advance and pull the trigger if the guy they want is still there at 23.
or what Big Rick said  
Giantsfan79 : 11/18/2020 9:30 am : link
scary when posters think alike.
I guess it could be part of another  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 9:30 am : link
trade but it seems like a bit of an overpay. To me, #38 has more value than moving up 4 spots in the 20s of any draft. You can find good players in the first 10 spots of the second round.
Might be in the minority here  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 9:32 am : link
but I'd rather the Knicks stay at #8 and #23 instead of moving up.
It definitely  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:35 am : link
sounds like they're planning on moving up
They  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:35 am : link
Are totally going to package the picks for Toppin aren’t they?
RE: They  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 15049649 DanMetroMan said:
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Are totally going to package the picks for Toppin aren’t they?


Barf
Trade  
31southst : 11/18/2020 9:36 am : link
Agree with everyone the timing is curious but I guess the opposite could be true too - Utah needs it done now for whatever reason.
Take  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:37 am : link
Hayes. Hayes and Bane would be a killer outcome but I feel a dumb Toppin trade up
RE: They  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:37 am : link
In comment 15049649 DanMetroMan said:
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Are totally going to package the picks for Toppin aren’t they?


I think this is likely.
Wonder if They Might Deal Picks 8 and 23  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/18/2020 9:38 am : link
to Boston for their 3 first rounders 14, 26 an 30. Its not like their is a huge gap in talent anywhere in this draft
I'm on board with Hayes as well at 8  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:39 am : link
23...IDK. I mean we don't know who will even be there!
Is Toppin even that good?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2020 9:39 am : link
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RE: They  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 9:39 am : link
In comment 15049649 DanMetroMan said:
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Are totally going to package the picks for Toppin aren’t they?


Only thing that makes sense, since no one has any idea who will be available at 23.
RE: Is Toppin even that good?  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 15049663 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I like him, but he doesn't really fit the Knicks.
maybe they have an idea how easy it would be to acquire...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 9:40 am : link
second round picks in the 40 range.

But yeah i think its more likely they needed the value of 23 for some other move.

Im ok moving up but i really dont want it to be for Toppin. I wasnt even loving the idea of taking him if he fell to 8. But 8 and 23 is only getting you up to what 5-6 in this draft? Id rather keep the picks unless we can move up for one of the top 3 (i know its not happening).
Another option  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:41 am : link
is trying to move up again from 23, ala DSJ and 23 for 15 from the Magic.
Toppin  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2020 9:42 am : link
has a high floor, defensively he leaves a lot to be desired. I can see him being a 16-17 PPG guy but doesn't play much D
I was reading that a good pro comparison  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2020 9:43 am : link
for Haliburton is Gary Harris. Sign me up for that if so.
RE: Another option  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 9:43 am : link
In comment 15049669 Jon in NYC said:
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is trying to move up again from 23, ala DSJ and 23 for 15 from the Magic.


Would love this.
RE: Another option  
NYG22 : 11/18/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 15049669 Jon in NYC said:
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is trying to move up again from 23, ala DSJ and 23 for 15 from the Magic.


Where do I sign?
again for at least one offseason..  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 9:46 am : link
im going to trust this FO. So im guessing Rose has a reason for doing this now. Maybe UTA had another offer from a team, maybe this is part of another trade, maybe a team offered us the 40th pick for money and we figured we can easily replace 38, etc...
Only makes sense if,1. trading up  
TheMick7 : 11/18/2020 9:46 am : link
2.Second round picks are available for $$$, so Leon is making a calculated gamble
Toppin is a defensive sieve.  
Optimus-NY : 11/18/2020 9:46 am : link
The Coach and him would be a hilarious mismatch.
I  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 9:47 am : link
agree with everyone else that making this trade now seems premature unless they are planning to package those picks to move up. This is the kind of trade that would typically be done when teams are on the clock.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 9:47 am : link
Weird timing.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:48 am : link
Also get Tomic... before you get excited... he’s 34 next season lol
RE: maybe they have an idea how easy it would be to acquire...  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 9:50 am : link
In comment 15049667 Italianju said:
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second round picks in the 40 range.

But yeah i think its more likely they needed the value of 23 for some other move.

Im ok moving up but i really dont want it to be for Toppin. I wasnt even loving the idea of taking him if he fell to 8. But 8 and 23 is only getting you up to what 5-6 in this draft? Id rather keep the picks unless we can move up for one of the top 3 (i know its not happening).


I wouldn't do it for Toppin, but I can see how the Knicks were willing to part with 38 since Mock Drafts seem to indicate that potentially a number of players we could be targetting are listed in the late 20's and since 2nd Rounders can be obtained for cash it was worth the deal.
Not saying it is a bad deal  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:50 am : link
it is just weird to do this now, even if they like a few guys in that range, you wait..
KOC  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:52 am : link
Says Ball likely goes 3 if he’s still there. MJ has signed off
im sure we will here differently throughout the day...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 9:53 am : link
but i think the top 3 is pretty set in stone. Not necessarily the order, but the top 3
Damn, I was looking forward  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:53 am : link
to staying up late and watching YouTube highlights of our draft and stash pick at #38.
RE: Knicks  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 15049689 DanMetroMan said:
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Also get Tomic... before you get excited... he’s 34 next season lol


Jesus. Do draft rights ever expire? Do we still have the rights to Ahmed Nivens?
RE: Toppin is a defensive sieve.  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 15049682 Optimus-NY said:
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The Coach and him would be a hilarious mismatch.


If they take him I imagine Thibs would have signed off. So maybe he sees upside there?
I do kind of hate not having a pick after 23...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 9:55 am : link
Guess we can get hopefully but a 2nd at some point
RE: I do kind of hate not having a pick after 23...  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:56 am : link
In comment 15049706 Italianju said:
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Guess we can get hopefully but a 2nd at some point

There has been chatter that we might buy an extra second rounder, so we'll see.
with teams hurting financially i could see 2nds..  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 9:58 am : link
being available for cash.
RE: KOC  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 15049697 DanMetroMan said:
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Says Ball likely goes 3 if he’s still there. MJ has signed off


Maybe we can see the long-awaited Lavar vs. MJ one-on-one
this year is obviously different  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 9:59 am : link
but I feel like you don't see teams looking to dump picks high in the second round for cash any more. You do see deals like that later in the second round....but that's where drafts usually become a wasteland.
Anyone  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:02 am : link
Have a clear answer why teams trade/trade for the rights of players clearly not coming to the NBA ? Every year we see random 37 year old Euro/African players rights traded. Is there some sort of money exchanged by doing so? I never understood this.
looks like last year the....  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 10:04 am : link
42nd and 46th picks were traded for cash. And the 39th and 44th picks were traded for cash and "future second rounder"
Strange Move  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 10:05 am : link
It is a strange move, but I think we are looking into it too much.

I think to me it is an indication of what we spoke about yesterday.

The Knicks have settled on Vassell or Okoro at #8 and want to make sure they get one of the cluster at PGs later (Maledon, Flynn, Terry and Pritchard). Perhaps, they thought 4 spots made the difference.
Rights  
31southst : 11/18/2020 10:07 am : link
Obviously not the case here but sometimes teams use rights because of the rule something has to be traded and you cannot just trade someone something for nothing (i.e., a salary dump) - more common is the top 55 protected 2nd for this purpose.
RE: again for at least one offseason..  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 15049679 Italianju said:
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im going to trust this FO. So im guessing Rose has a reason for doing this now. Maybe UTA had another offer from a team, maybe this is part of another trade, maybe a team offered us the 40th pick for money and we figured we can easily replace 38, etc...


Yeah, I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt too, for at least one offseason. Excited to see what happens later. But somewhat nervous as well. I'm hoping Rose isn't pulling out all the stops for LaMela.
RE: Strange Move  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 15049723 Pete44 said:
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It is a strange move, but I think we are looking into it too much.

I think to me it is an indication of what we spoke about yesterday.

The Knicks have settled on Vassell or Okoro at #8 and want to make sure they get one of the cluster at PGs later (Maledon, Flynn, Terry and Pritchard). Perhaps, they thought 4 spots made the difference.


Still doesnt make sense to do the deal now, you wait til 23 then make the trade, what happens if all those players you like are gone?

I think That #23  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 10:09 am : link
Might be in the Anthony range also.
Celtics trying to trade into top 3  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:11 am : link
according to stein
Could have been trying to move up further  
ghost718 : 11/18/2020 10:12 am : link
But it's the best they could do at this moment

Vassell or Okoro at 8...I have a hard time even typing it.I think they should be aiming higher.
I read the OP and thought that's odd  
arniefez : 11/18/2020 10:12 am : link
But then I remembered it's the Knicks. Trade up in the late first round of a draft before the draft starts. Regardless of how it turns it out it's a classic Knicks move and just when I thought nothing they could do would surprise me.
If staying at 8  
Earl the goat : 11/18/2020 10:13 am : link
Thibs wants okoro
Writer  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:13 am : link
tells me Ainge is trying "every angle" to land Harden.
RE: If staying at 8  
Earl the goat : 11/18/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 15049739 Earl the goat said:
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Thibs wants okoro



It’s his Jimmy Butler clone
RE: Could have been trying to move up further  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 15049735 ghost718 said:
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But it's the best they could do at this moment

Vassell or Okoro at 8...I have a hard time even typing it.I think they should be aiming higher.



Ghost - Im with you, I hate either of those picks.
what could the C's possibly...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 10:13 am : link
be offering? I cant imagine they are offering brown and without him i see zero way they get into the top 3
Well this is interesting  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 10:14 am : link
Ryan McDonough
@McDNBA
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1h
BREAKING - sources say projected Lottery pick Onyeka Okongwu currently has an injured foot.

Teams in tonight’s NBA Draft Lottery are a scrambling to get medical info on Okongwu’s foot to determine the severity of the injury.

Okongwu has fans with teams in the mid/late Lottery.
RE: I read the OP and thought that's odd  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 15049738 arniefez said:
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But then I remembered it's the Knicks. Trade up in the late first round of a draft before the draft starts. Regardless of how it turns it out it's a classic Knicks move and just when I thought nothing they could do would surprise me.


its not a bad mpve just odd timing...

so even if it turns out good it is a bad move?
RE: what could the C's possibly...  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 15049744 Italianju said:
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be offering? I cant imagine they are offering brown and without him i see zero way they get into the top 3

What if they did Hayward and their 3 firsts (with Hayward agreeing to an extension with GS) and took back Wiggins with #2? That's the only thing I can think of. Would probably also take a future first or two to get it done.
RE: RE: If staying at 8  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 15049742 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 15049739 Earl the goat said:


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Thibs wants okoro




It’s his Jimmy Butler clone


Jimmy Butler "clone" doesn't fall to 8 in a poor draft. He has some Butler similarities.
yeah Hayward as part of the deal...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 10:16 am : link
could make some sense.
RE: I read the OP and thought that's odd  
NYG22 : 11/18/2020 10:18 am : link
In comment 15049738 arniefez said:
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But then I remembered it's the Knicks. Trade up in the late first round of a draft before the draft starts. Regardless of how it turns it out it's a classic Knicks move and just when I thought nothing they could do would surprise me.


We know NOTHING about this new front office other than that they all have OUTSTANDING reputations. What Isiah Thomas or Phil Jackson or Steve Mills did has ZERO to do with this FO team.
From a former NBA agent  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 10:19 am : link
Matt Babcock
@MattBabcock11
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9m
Rumors: the T’Wolves don’t want #1. They could move back for Obi, or take Wiseman and trade him later. The Cavs want Obi too. The Hornets and Spurs want Wiseman. Ball to Hornets over Big O, if they can't get Wiseman. Williams to Pistons. Vassell or Achiuwa to Wizards... #nbadraft
RE: If staying at 8  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 15049739 Earl the goat said:
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Thibs wants okoro


I like him, but who’s going to spread the floor? The fit with Barrett is questionable.
I like Vassell  
NYG22 : 11/18/2020 10:22 am : link
a bit more than Okoro but if not Kira Lewis, either of those wing defenders would be welcome
really dont want okoro....  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 10:23 am : link
Its like the knicks are going out of there way to make sure they have no shooting. You will not win in this league with 3 or 4 of your starters being bad shooters. Okoro just doesnt make sense to me.
RE: with teams hurting financially i could see 2nds..  
Optimus-NY : 11/18/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 15049710 Italianju said:
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being available for cash.


Exactamundo!
.  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 10:23 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 15049772 Strahan91 said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.


yeah well duh (aimed at Woj, not you)
Yeah, I posted it because he may know that this is what's happening  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 10:24 am : link
or might just be connected the same dots we are
RE: Yeah, I posted it because he may know that this is what's happening  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:26 am : link
In comment 15049774 Strahan91 said:
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or might just be connected the same dots we are


He knows, he has a relationship with Rose
From Woj  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 10:27 am : link
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Tweet from @wojespn: Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.
RE: really dont want okoro....  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 10:28 am : link
In comment 15049769 Italianju said:
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Its like the knicks are going out of there way to make sure they have no shooting. You will not win in this league with 3 or 4 of your starters being bad shooters. Okoro just doesnt make sense to me.


Yep. Don't want him for precisely that reason. Either get a point guard or a guy who can shoot. Hayes or Lewis if they want a point, Vassell if they want a shooter.
Sorry for the repost  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 10:28 am : link
I didn't refresh the thread. So to me that basically means the Knicks will be trading up. LaMelo 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Seems to me they want to move up for someone projected to not make it  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 10:28 am : link
to 8.

I guess it could be Toppin, which would be annoying. My hope is it's for Hayes.
I dont think 8 and 23  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:29 am : link
gets them to a top 3 pick. They'd either need to add player(s) or future picks.
RE: RE: seems a little strange  
djm : 11/18/2020 10:29 am : link
In comment 15049625 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15049624 Enzo said:


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to do this now as opposed to during the draft.



Yup, unless they are using 8 and 23 to move up, or using 23 for another player?


That was my thoughts too. Or, they literally did the math and know for (99%) certain a player they like will definitely be at 23. Seems far fetched but i guess it's possible?
RE: .  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 15049772 Strahan91 said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.

that assumes 23 has more value than 27 and 38....and even if that's true, why does Utah do the deal?
23  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:31 am : link
and 8 does not get you into the top 3, let's be realistic.
yeah i agree...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 10:31 am : link
i dont see how 8 and 23 get you top 3. Maybe GSW love Julius Randle and want Randle, 8 and 23 (LOL!!!).

But im thinking this more gets you to the 5 range which seems like Toppin. Cant understand essentially using 8, 27 and 38 to get Toppin.
sorry i was late with that last post  
djm : 11/18/2020 10:37 am : link
been addressed 20 times already.

RE: Might be in the minority here  
Chamberlain : 11/18/2020 10:37 am : link
In comment 15049643 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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but I'd rather the Knicks stay at #8 and #23 instead of moving up.

I agree. In terms of why now, there could be several good (hopefully) reasons. After making inquiries, perhaps this was as low as they could get with the 27 and 38 and they didn't want to potentially lose the opportunity to another team as things heat up during the draft. It would imply that there are two players or more they are interested in and didn't want to miss out on by three places. Finally, there has been talk about the Knicks being willing to buy another pick. If so, it adds to the explanation of this move. Hope springs eternal.
I agree  
NYG22 : 11/18/2020 10:40 am : link
that its not likely this is for a player they forecast as available at 23 but not at 27. More likely, its a sweeter asset to trade up from 8.

But another possibility is that they viewed it as a "free" upgrade from 27 to 23 given that they view 38 as very replaceable with a purcha$e of an early 2nd rounder.
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:42 am : link
Mike Vorkunov
@MikeVorkunov
Maybe a trade like 8 + 23 to move up to No. 5 (and something else) could work if Cleveland likes that offer. Knicks seem to have some interest in Obi Toppin and Cavaliers have been projected as a landing spot for him in mock drafts.
My friend is speculating it could be a trade up for someone you  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:43 am : link
wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...
2  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:47 am : link
for 4 and Carter seems like a steal for GSW if it happens.
RE: My friend is speculating it could be a trade up for someone you  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 15049811 Anakim said:
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wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...

Fwiw  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:48 am : link
this was posted on the new Draft Express mock:

"Some NBA executives believe the Knicks traded up from No. 27 to this spot to get ahead of Oklahoma City and ensure they land Stewart on draft night, though it's possible the Knicks attempt to package this pick to move up deeper into the top 10."

Re: Isiah Stewart
Isaiah Stewart  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:53 am : link
primer
Link - ( New Window )
Hearing what I didn’t expect  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 10:55 am : link
Avdija? Like him and keeping quiet. Where would RJ fit?
Moving up to pick....Stewart??  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 10:55 am : link
That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not 1986.
They can’t be doing this for Obi Toppen.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 10:58 am : link
No team in the sport needs to come out of this draft with a PG more than the Knicks. Trading all of the picks for Toppen would be unwise.
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:05 am : link
Jonathan Wasserman
@NBADraftWass
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2m
Yep, already buzz out that that the Knicks are trying to move up to 5 or 6 with 8 and 23
RE: My friend is speculating it could be a trade up for someone you  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 15049811 Anakim said:
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wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...

Patrick Williams!
is Toppin really  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 11:07 am : link
that bad on defense? Is it a mental or physical thing with him?
Sure seems weird  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 11:10 am : link
To use a bunch of assets to move up a couple spots in a notoriously poor draft. Again I’m giving this FO a chance before I kill them. But to go into this with three picks in the top 38 and to come out with just toppin would be really disappointing
Knicks come out of this draft with Haliburton  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2020 11:10 am : link
and I think everyone will be happy.
RE: Sure seems weird  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 15049846 Italianju said:
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To use a bunch of assets to move up a couple spots in a notoriously poor draft. Again I’m giving this FO a chance before I kill them. But to go into this with three picks in the top 38 and to come out with just toppin would be really disappointing


Bunch of assets seems a little extreme. A late first and a early second are nice but really not that valuable.

If the guy you really want is Toppin and think there's a big dip, then it's a small price to pay to get your guy.
RE: is Toppin really  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 15049845 Enzo said:
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that bad on defense? Is it a mental or physical thing with him?

This is purely my opinion but from what I've seen it's a combination of the two. He's physically limited in terms of how fast he can move laterally and isn't quick enough to flip his hips to get around screens. There is also some mental stuff which I think comes from a lack of coaching/experience. His technique isn't good but it's fixable. He'll never be a good defensive player but I don't think he's so limited physically that with better coaching and more reps he can't become passable on defense to the point where he's not a liability to have on the court.

I like Toppin a lot personally, more so than it seems others on this board do. Having Mitch at the 5 can help to mask some of these limitations for the time being but they'll need to find two other good defensive players to round out the bunch with RJ, Mitch and Toppin.

This is also where having Thibs helps. If what I've seen in watching him play is correct and he is by all accounts a good kid who is smart and works hard, then Thibs should be able to coach him up to the point where he's passable.
RE: Sure seems weird  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 15049846 Italianju said:
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To use a bunch of assets to move up a couple spots in a notoriously poor draft. Again I’m giving this FO a chance before I kill them. But to go into this with three picks in the top 38 and to come out with just toppin would be really disappointing

This may be the one year where they can use their financial might to buy a late first or second rounder. I know we all say this every year but this year is unique (I think, we'll see tonight). They could also do so by taking back a contract to help a team get under the luxury tax or clear up extra space.
If Toppin could become just an average defender  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:21 am : link
He will be an all star, BUT that is a big if
I really  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:22 am : link
keep trying to talk myself into Obi but I just don't see it.

I also am like 95% sure if we draft Obi and don't get a PG later on that we're going to make a move for Westbrook.

Thibs isn't here to not make the playoffs.
RE: RE: My friend is speculating it could be a trade up for someone you  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:24 am : link
In comment 15049844 Strahan91 said:
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wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...


Patrick Williams!


Nope
RE: RE: RE: My friend is speculating it could be a trade up for someone you  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:25 am : link
In comment 15049864 Anakim said:
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wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...


Patrick Williams!



Nope


Does your friend have any connections? or is he just guessing like the rest of us.

Bulls and Pistons have been connected with Hayes so that's who I could see us moving up for if not Toppin.
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:29 am : link
hate to be mean but Anthony Edwards sounds like he's a very low iq prospect. Not sure how important that is in the NBA vs. the NFL but reading some of his quotes/interviews... he might have issues picking up schemes.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 11:29 am : link
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
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Wouldn’t be surprising if Knicks made a move for Obi Toppin. Lot of ties to the organization — CAA, training with Rick Brunson and has been working out at the gym of Dajuan Wagner, who is like family to Worldwide Wes.
Avdija  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 11:30 am : link
Makes sense to me at 5 or 6, moving up with 8 and 23. We've not heard anything about him being connected to us. Stealth mode makes sense here. I'm fine with him and do think he can coexist with RJ.
RE: I  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 15049868 DanMetroMan said:
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hate to be mean but Anthony Edwards sounds like he's a very low iq prospect. Not sure how important that is in the NBA vs. the NFL but reading some of his quotes/interviews... he might have issues picking up schemes.


I was trying to put this the right way but that's a concern about Toppin too. Most of the reason he is so old for his grade is he was academically ineligible his freshman season.
Shooters  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 11:34 am : link
This team cannot draft anybody that cannot shoot, with RJ and Mitch 2/5ths of the starting lineup. It is why Okoro makes zero sense.

I think Toppin will be a really good scorer  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 11:36 am : link
my main problem is that because of his defensive limitations, I can't play the small ball 5. He gets steals in passing lanes and will get weakside blocks. But you can't credibly use him as a 5. Hell, you'd have a better chance at success asking Okoro to do that. Toppin is a little like a young Randle. He's a bad team defender and is gonna get absolutely cooked in the PnR.

Maybe Thibs can coach him up? I wouldn't bank on it though.
RE: RE: I  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 11:38 am : link
In comment 15049871 Jon in NYC said:
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hate to be mean but Anthony Edwards sounds like he's a very low iq prospect. Not sure how important that is in the NBA vs. the NFL but reading some of his quotes/interviews... he might have issues picking up schemes.



I was trying to put this the right way but that's a concern about Toppin too. Most of the reason he is so old for his grade is he was academically ineligible his freshman season.

Toppin at least comes off as relatively well-spoken and is clearly a very hard worker. You can look at that history (without it being a huge leap of faith) and come to the conclusion that he was immature at the time but has learned from it. Whereas with Edwards, he seems aloof both on and off the court and has a reputation for disengaging or disappearing for stretches so personally (if we were picking in the top 3) I'd be concerned with him improving drastically.
RE: RE: RE: RE: My friend is speculating it could be a trade up for someone you  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:48 am : link
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wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...


Patrick Williams!



Nope



Does your friend have any connections? or is he just guessing like the rest of us.

Bulls and Pistons have been connected with Hayes so that's who I could see us moving up for if not Toppin.


People on here know who he is
Dajuan Wagner  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/18/2020 11:48 am : link
there's a name I haven't seen in a while.

Edwards' answer about the NBA vs. NFL was about as bad of an answer as you'll ever see. That's the kind of answer that should scare everyone thinking about drafting him.

On the flipside, I saw some draft analyst guy on ESPN mention that Edwards' acceleration graded out as the best that the sports science testers had measured out of 400 or so NBA prospects/players they had measured over the years. Combine that 1st step explosiveness with his big frame, great vertical, and potentially good shot and he's the guy who you almost have to take at #1 despite all his flaws.
Another possibility.  
manh george : 11/18/2020 12:43 pm : link


There is much talk here about the difficulty in buying a high #2, but that the potential exists for getting high #2s in exchange for cash plus a future #2. The Knicks have a number of extra future late #1s and random #2s floating around. Do they really need 5 #1s and #2s in 2021? It is entirely possible that they have identified a couple of trade partners for one of those combinations.
Go to Knicks section (duh). - ( New Window )
RE: Dajuan Wagner  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15049896 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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there's a name I haven't seen in a while.

Edwards' answer about the NBA vs. NFL was about as bad of an answer as you'll ever see. That's the kind of answer that should scare everyone thinking about drafting him.

On the flipside, I saw some draft analyst guy on ESPN mention that Edwards' acceleration graded out as the best that the sports science testers had measured out of 400 or so NBA prospects/players they had measured over the years. Combine that 1st step explosiveness with his big frame, great vertical, and potentially good shot and he's the guy who you almost have to take at #1 despite all his flaws.


Wagner's son is the #1 HS player in his class. He is the same year as Lebron's son, who is ranked 20th.
one thing about Toppin  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2020 1:27 pm : link
is that he likely will not be a bust. Seems like "good player" to me, defense will be the key.
Patrick Williams  
RAIN : 11/18/2020 1:39 pm : link
And Okoro make sense. Toppin doesn’t from a defensive perspective. We need two way players.

The players I want are Okoro, Halliburton, and Williams.

We should be able to stay at 8 and get one of those. Picking 8 is not a bad place to be in this draft.
.  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 1:41 pm : link

Kelsey Russo
@kelseyyrusso
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The Cavs and Knicks have discussed trading the No. 5 pick for 8 and 23, but the Cavs are holding out for more, sources told
@TheAthleticNBA
. For reference, the Pelicans and Hawks swapped 4 for 8, 17 and 35, among other pieces, in a draft-day deal last year.
I think Williams at 8  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2020 1:42 pm : link
is way too high for him.
Okoro isn't really a two-way player right now.  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 1:44 pm : link
He's a good passer and slasher but without being a threat to knock down jumpers, it's unlikely that'll be effective in the NBA until/unless he improves there.
RE: Patrick Williams  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15050133 RAIN said:
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And Okoro make sense. Toppin doesn’t from a defensive perspective. We need two way players.

The players I want are Okoro, Halliburton, and Williams.

We should be able to stay at 8 and get one of those. Picking 8 is not a bad place to be in this draft.


RAIN - I understand what you are saying, but the Knicks already have 2 players in their projected starting lineup (Mitch and RJ) that can't shoot. They cannot add a 3rd player like Okoro or Williams that can't really shoot yet either. It is why I am so high on Kira/Nesmith and have really warmed up to Obi as well. I think he can be taught, wish he was 20 and not 22, but that is nitpicking.
So...  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 1:48 pm : link
guaranteed above average player right?

Jake
@jakeweingarten
Source: The Toronto Raptors have tons of interest in selecting Louisville’s Jordan Nwora with the 29th pick. Tons of buzz surrounding them with him. He and Kyle Lowry share the same representation.
I agree with those who want to stay at #8 and #23  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 1:52 pm : link
and we should definitely be aiming higher than Isaiah Stewart now.
Obi  
31southst : 11/18/2020 1:54 pm : link
The thing with Obi is everything I've heard (including with Begley/Wasserman today) is he is viewed fairly positively across the league, which I would hope means he has some trade value going forward as needed.

I totally get and largely agree with the defensive criticism, but at this point we are not good enough to worry about things like would get targeted and picked apart in the Eastern finals. I am warming to him as he seems like he could be a plus offensive stretch four that has a feel for passing/playmaking and would fit with RJ and Mitch. If we use this year as one more tank year, started of something like DJ Augustin/Frank/RJ/Obi/Mitch would clearly be bad but at least fun and worth developing.
Bane  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 1:57 pm : link
Poku, Hampton, Achiuwa, Green, Flynn (big fan if we don't get a PG at 8), Maxey all would be nice gets at 23.
RE: RE: Patrick Williams  
RAIN : 11/18/2020 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15050148 Pete44 said:
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And Okoro make sense. Toppin doesn’t from a defensive perspective. We need two way players.

The players I want are Okoro, Halliburton, and Williams.

We should be able to stay at 8 and get one of those. Picking 8 is not a bad place to be in this draft.



RAIN - I understand what you are saying, but the Knicks already have 2 players in their projected starting lineup (Mitch and RJ) that can't shoot. They cannot add a 3rd player like Okoro or Williams that can't really shoot yet either. It is why I am so high on Kira/Nesmith and have really warmed up to Obi as well. I think he can be taught, wish he was 20 and not 22, but that is nitpicking.


Defense is something that cannot be taught. I believe shooting, if the base stroke is sound, is much easier to develop. Defense is a mind set. Knox comes to mind as someone that can’t stay on the floor because his defense is atrocious. His shooting and scoring are plus... but his flaws on the other end are fatal. You can’t develop that will to defend. I’d argue it harder to come by than shooting. . Both Okoro and Williams I think have that. Sound form, but need to develop theough reps.

That said, I get your point and it’s also logical but from the opposite direction. If Toppin can develop that will to defend, I’d be on board. I don’t think it’s that easy tho.
really am hating the idea of moving up to 5...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 1:59 pm : link
i mean hey in 5 years i might look like an idiot when Toppin is dominating. I just dont love using all our picks for Toppin.

ANd CLE can fuck right off if they want more to move back 3 spots.
Defense can be taught....  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 2:00 pm : link
i mean will Obi be an all defense player, no, but could he be taught to be an avg defender, 100%.
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15050140 Strahan91 said:
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Kelsey Russo
@kelseyyrusso
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The Cavs and Knicks have discussed trading the No. 5 pick for 8 and 23, but the Cavs are holding out for more, sources told
@TheAthleticNBA
. For reference, the Pelicans and Hawks swapped 4 for 8, 17 and 35, among other pieces, in a draft-day deal last year.



I am fine teading up for toppin, but you better get randle off this team, Toppin needs to atart day 1
KOC  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 2:02 pm : link
has us passing on Hayes and Vassell and taking Okoro and Cole anthony



One team executive told me Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau has a “crush” on Okoro, which should come as no surprise considering their shared passion for defense. Okoro is arguably the best defender in the class, with strength and multi-positional versatility. Okoro does, however, need to improve his jump shot to realize his offensive potential. It’s unlikely that Toppin will still be on the board at this point, but if he is, he’ll be also in consideration.
Toppin and mitch actually seem like a really...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 2:03 pm : link
good 4/5 pair. Like if Toppin is what many think he can be then pairing him with a guy like Mitch would be what you want.

But Yeah randle needs to be gone. They cant play together and ill go through the roof if Randle is logging 35 minutes a game while topping gets 12 and Thibs feeds us lines about vets.
Did the Knicks get shooters  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 2:04 pm : link
that I don't know about? Or are we just going to draft guys who can't shoot as well?
id be ok with Cole anthony....  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 2:05 pm : link
in the 20's (if that is the pick he has us taken him with). ALthough does that mean he has Vessell going after that? I know he was awful last year and has a ton of questions, but he was expected to be a top 5 pick and had an injury riddled year on a bad unc team.

RE: Toppin and mitch actually seem like a really...  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15050180 Italianju said:
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good 4/5 pair. Like if Toppin is what many think he can be then pairing him with a guy like Mitch would be what you want.

But Yeah randle needs to be gone. They cant play together and ill go through the roof if Randle is logging 35 minutes a game while topping gets 12 and Thibs feeds us lines about vets.


Toppin can be an 18 ppg scorer next year
RE: id be ok with Cole anthony....  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15050186 Italianju said:
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in the 20's (if that is the pick he has us taken him with). ALthough does that mean he has Vessell going after that? I know he was awful last year and has a ton of questions, but he was expected to be a top 5 pick and had an injury riddled year on a bad unc team.


They pass on Bane and Flynn at 23. I'd take them both over Anthony.
id def go Bane over Anthony....  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 2:08 pm : link
....
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 2:14 pm : link
think Flynn (if he goes to a good organization) ends up the next FVV.
Hypothetical we make the deal  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 2:22 pm : link
With Cleveland. Someone trades with Chicago or they select Toppin then what? Or do we make it on the clock?
I see  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 2:23 pm : link
Numbers #4-15 approx the same.
is level of competition  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 2:24 pm : link
a concern for Toppin or it doesn't matter? Some people are nervous about his age but to me that's not an automatic red flag. It seems as if he's relatively polished which I guess is want you'd want to see from a 22-year-old. His numbers look good but what does concern me is that it doesn't look like he was really "dominating".
Morey  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 2:28 pm : link
working on a "significant" move not involving Simmons/Embid or Harden.
Toppin played well against Kansas  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 2:33 pm : link
18 and 9 on 6-11 shooting against arguably the best team in the country. Richmond was a very solid team (knocked off Wisconsin, gave Auburn a tough game) and Toppin had 24 and 12 against them.

I wouldn't worry about his offense. It's legit. Is it good enough to more than make up for his defensive shortcomings though?
Exactly. Toppin will definitely score. The question is whether his  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 2:36 pm : link
defensive assignment will also score a shit-ton each night and if he's a guy you can't play in the 4th Q of close games (like Kanter) because he will get relentlessly attacked down the stretch.
Thing is with Okoro and Vassell is that Vassell is good defensively  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 2:36 pm : link
He may not quite be at Okoro's level on D, but the gap isn't huge, but the gap between his shooting and Okoro's shooting is pretty massive.
RE: Morey  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15050220 DanMetroMan said:
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working on a "significant" move not involving Simmons/Embid or Harden.


If Morey somehow pulls off a trade for Harden without giving up Embiid or Simmons...hand that man Executive of the Decade.
Hopefully the Cavs save the Knicks from themselves  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 2:41 pm : link
Stay at 8 and 23. There are plenty of good players to be had.
What is the obsession with power forwards?
Damn I look forward to moments like the draft and FA yet always disappointed
I just don't see how the Knicks improve  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 2:48 pm : link
Unless they significantly upgrade their shooting.
Cole Anthony?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 2:51 pm : link
I think his FG% was bad due to poor shot selection and a team with very limited perimeter options, but combined with the injury, I’m not interested.

I just have a difficult time believing the Knicks are doing this for Obi Toppen.
Nico Mannion  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 2:52 pm : link
Dude was ranked as a top-10 before he got to Arizona, subsequently sucked and now is barely talked about.
RE: Nico Mannion  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15050253 Anakim said:
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Dude was ranked as a top-10 before he got to Arizona, subsequently sucked and now is barely talked about.


I like Nico Mannion, but it’s hard to convince anyone that shot selection is why he shot under 40% from the field. Add in a lack of standout physical traits and poor defense, he probably should’ve gone back to school. But I do think he has talent and his shooting numbers will be better if a coach gets him under control.
I'm actually warming up to Topin  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 2:57 pm : link
The guy is so dynamic offensively, and on the defensive end he at least has active handstand gets deflections and some blocks and if there's someone who can turn him into an avg man on defender its Thibs. That having been said I want Lewis. He fits a dramatic need and has the highest overall ceiling of the guys in that pick range. I'd be on board with Hayes there too.
I saw a fair bit of Cole Anthony  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 2:58 pm : link
He's a terrific athlete, but he seems like he has a low BBIQ (especially for the son of a longtime NBA player) and attitude problems. If he gets his head on straight, he could turn into a steal, but I wouldn't want to bet on it happening.
Okoro  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 2:58 pm : link
has some smoke attached to his name with us.

Berman also projected him to the Knicks.
.  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 3:02 pm : link
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if they want to go high end defender...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 3:07 pm : link
id much rather vassell to Okoro.
RE: Okoro  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 15050266 Jon in NYC said:
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has some smoke attached to his name with us.

Berman also projected him to the Knicks.


KOC does as well. Thibs apparently loves him.

As I said on Twitter back in August

“ Big Okoro fan but it's fair to have concerns regarding a starting 5 that has Barrett, Okoro and Mitch. A lot of pressure to find shooters.”

A guy like Bane would be awesome at 23 if we landed Okoro at 8
He's always going to say this  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 3:10 pm : link
but Okoro said his shot is much improved. Who knows if that's true.
RE: Okoro  
Mike in NJ : 11/18/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15050266 Jon in NYC said:
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has some smoke attached to his name with us.

Berman also projected him to the Knicks.


Okoro is really the only pick that I will be unhappy with, I just don't see how he and RJ fit together. The biggest problem for Barrett last year was the team's poor spacing, he would consistently beat his man only to be met at the rim by 4 defenders. Adding Okoro, who plays Barrett's position, does nothing to help that.

At least a guy like Toppin will pull a big man out of the paint because you have to respect his perimeter shooting.
So build your team around..  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 3:15 pm : link
3 guys who if they are avg 3 point shooters you would be thrilled. Makes no sense.
Macri  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 3:17 pm : link
also just said Patrick Williams has been mentioned.

Honestly they could go in one of 6 directions at this point and I wouldn't be surprised. Don't remember the last time it was like this.
Bucks  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:17 pm : link
Trade 2 future 2’s for 45 (to give us some 2nd round pick cost context)
Figures everyone is starting to mock Okoro to the Knicks  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 3:18 pm : link
I and most everyone here agree that he's the one guy we don't like in that range. I agree that while I prefer the PG's, I can live with Vassell there because of his length, D, and shooting. At least he'd help with our abominable D and court spacing. We could address the pg at #23 or trade/FA
RE: Macri  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15050288 Jon in NYC said:
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also just said Patrick Williams has been mentioned.

Honestly they could go in one of 6 directions at this point and I wouldn't be surprised. Don't remember the last time it was like this.


Is Macri credible? Serious question
Bucks  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:19 pm : link
Trade 2 future 2’s for 45 (to give us some 2nd round pick cost context)
Yep. I mean, it's no secret that I'm not a big Barrett fan  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 3:19 pm : link
But if he's your main building block, and I have no reason to think they've soured on him, you have GOT to surround him with shooters to give him room to operate in the lane.
RE: RE: Macri  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15050294 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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also just said Patrick Williams has been mentioned.

Honestly they could go in one of 6 directions at this point and I wouldn't be surprised. Don't remember the last time it was like this.



Is Macri credible? Serious question


Jury is out. I'm always skeptical of the blogger turned reporter journey.
The  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:29 pm : link
The only player worth 8 and 23 for me is Ball. Not because I'm personally sold on him, but because he's the one guy, if "all" goes well changes the Knicks fortunes in a way the other players in this draft likely cannot. That being said, I don't see any way 8 and 23 lands you Ball
RE: RE: Macri  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15050294 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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also just said Patrick Williams has been mentioned.

Honestly they could go in one of 6 directions at this point and I wouldn't be surprised. Don't remember the last time it was like this.



Is Macri credible? Serious question



Macri is a friend of mine and he is credible, he has really built up his brand, something I am trying to do. However, I just emailed him that he needs to stop throwing every name out there and really stick to a guy he thinks they are going to take and make his prediction.
RE: The  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15050304 DanMetroMan said:
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The only player worth 8 and 23 for me is Ball. Not because I'm personally sold on him, but because he's the one guy, if "all" goes well changes the Knicks fortunes in a way the other players in this draft likely cannot. That being said, I don't see any way 8 and 23 lands you Ball



I agree with you, but I can see why they want Toppin. He would be a good fit with Robinson and RJ. If you get a PG that can shoot and play Frank at the 2 or 3, you start to have something resembling a balanced line-up.
RE: Yep. I mean, it's no secret that I'm not a big Barrett fan  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15050296 Greg from LI said:
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But if he's your main building block, and I have no reason to think they've soured on him, you have GOT to surround him with shooters to give him room to operate in the lane.

I get this POV and lean in the same direction, but I keep coming back to the SGA draft with Frank in the fold. If Knicks brass isn't sold on RJ yet and they love Okoro, then passing on Okoro because you have RJ is just compounding mistakes.
Okoro  
31southst : 11/18/2020 3:35 pm : link
At a minimum will be a solid wing defender but it's all about the shot - will he be Jaylen Brown (a bad college shooter) or MKG (never developed in the pros)? Every guy from 1 down has warts which is why I don't think I'll get too worked up over whoever we take.
So this 33 yr old Tomic guy has to be some Brock Aller cap move  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 3:39 pm : link
that I don't understand, right?
If that's the way they feel, then trade RJ  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 3:42 pm : link
A starting lineup loaded with guys who can't shoot is death in the modern game.
RE: So this 33 yr old Tomic guy has to be some Brock Aller cap move  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15050331 Heisenberg said:
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that I don't understand, right?

I don't think it impacts the cap at all. Usually you see these guys (players who will never play in the league) involved in trades where a team has send back *something* in return and doesn't want to send $$. But in this case, there was something tangible going back on both sides of the deal so I have no clue.
RE: So this 33 yr old Tomic guy has to be some Brock Aller cap move  
NYG22 : 11/18/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15050331 Heisenberg said:
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that I don't understand, right?


I was thinking the same (nor do I understand it).
The Knicks probably wanted Tomic's rights  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 3:49 pm : link
in case they trade for a player they want to take into their cap space. This way they don't have to send anything back in return but his rights.
RE: The Knicks probably wanted Tomic's rights  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15050358 Strahan91 said:
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in case they trade for a player they want to take into their cap space. This way they don't have to send anything back in return but his rights.

don't we still have Louis Labeyrie for that? lol....
The Knicks need shooters  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/18/2020 3:57 pm : link
you want to draft another defensive guy who can't shoot? We have that with Ntilikina.

How many times are we going to see Frank score 2 points in 23 minutes next year until we realize it's not worth it?
RE: The Knicks need shooters  
Pete44 : 11/18/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15050371 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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you want to draft another defensive guy who can't shoot? We have that with Ntilikina.

How many times are we going to see Frank score 2 points in 23 minutes next year until we realize it's not worth it?


Been trying to make that point all day. The Knicks are not giving up on RJ for the chance to draft Okoro or Vassell. They need to draft with the mind-set of a balanced lineup. It is why I can see their interest in Toppin,.
RE: RE: The Knicks need shooters  
TommyWiseau : 11/18/2020 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15050374 Pete44 said:
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you want to draft another defensive guy who can't shoot? We have that with Ntilikina.

How many times are we going to see Frank score 2 points in 23 minutes next year until we realize it's not worth it?



Been trying to make that point all day. The Knicks are not giving up on RJ for the chance to draft Okoro or Vassell. They need to draft with the mind-set of a balanced lineup. It is why I can see their interest in Toppin,.


Agreed, they probably think Toppin can help ASAP on the offensive end (which is probably true). His defense is just really really bad.
no Okoro please  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
..
Why would drafting Vassell be giving up...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 4:15 pm : link
on RJ? He seems like he would be a good fit with RJ. RJ could slide up to SF so they can play together.
Yeah, I don't see a problem with Vassell and Barrett together  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 4:24 pm : link
They seem like good complements to me. Vassell brings shooting and defense, RJ gets more room to slash to the rim and score and draw fouls.
Have not had the time to watch much of  
NoGainDayne : 11/18/2020 4:31 pm : link
any college basketball in a while but agree with Greg's take here RE: RJ and what I've read about the prospects. I liked him more as a prospect, less after seeing him in the NBA. But he could still hit. But you need to surround him with shooters. Okoro seems like not a great fit for our team as currently constructed.

I will say this I'm not sure where the idea that it is easier to teach D comes from though. IMO when you look at the guys that really have improved their D a lot of it comes down to effort. Managing effort - Harden example where he needs to use more of his gas to balance his game. But plenty of "defensive specialists" have expanded their offense and become stars. I think as the game moves more towards shooting and analytics speak to the 3 point shot it's definitely something you can drill and per the 10,000 hour expert theory just get your motion down.

People that accel at defense almost always have that skill because of athleticism, which is the least teachable skill. Secondly, I would say scoring is the most fun thing to do, and some do it very naturally and aren't necessarily high effort players. Defense and effort go hand in hand. Finally, so much of defense is situational, feel, anticipation. Quick mental calculations that I think some aren't as good at or don't focus as much on. Offense is much more about your relationship to the hoop especially in NBA, the old, i'm going to take my shot and hit it and you have to adapt to me to stop me. The exception there is great ball handlers, that game is extremely mental however, there aren't that many players in the NBA that have handles that good.
RE: yeah i agree...  
TyreeHelmet : 11/18/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15049794 Italianju said:
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i dont see how 8 and 23 get you top 3. Maybe GSW love Julius Randle and want Randle, 8 and 23 (LOL!!!).

But im thinking this more gets you to the 5 range which seems like Toppin. Cant understand essentially using 8, 27 and 38 to get Toppin.


My sources say GSW has zero interest in Randle...

I have no idea why the Bulls would trade Carter and 4th pick for 2nd overall. What a steal for the Warriors if that pull that off.

And hard pass on Toppin for me. He makes Amare look like Bill Russell. He's going to get killed on defense in the league.
Okoro can't shoot but his offensive game is much further along than  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 4:34 pm : link
Frank's. He's an elite athlete, good slasher and finisher, and a decent passer. He just can't shoot to save his life.

He's not my first choice but I'm not as vehemently against picking him as others here. They absolutely 100% need to add shooters this offseason but they can do it with their cap space too.
the problem is that Okoro's offensive strengths mirror Barrett's  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 4:42 pm : link
I just don't see them as a great fit together.
I certainly won't argue that  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 4:47 pm : link
. I prefer Toppin, Vassell, Haliburton for that reason.
Warriors apparently  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 4:52 pm : link
looking for a rotational piece in a trade down..

Randle, 8, 23, dallas pick for wiggins and 2?
RE: Okoro can't shoot but his offensive game is much further along than  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15050424 Strahan91 said:
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Frank's. He's an elite athlete, good slasher and finisher, and a decent passer. He just can't shoot to save his life.

He's not my first choice but I'm not as vehemently against picking him as others here. They absolutely 100% need to add shooters this offseason but they can do it with their cap space too.


He iS just not a fit with RJ
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:58 pm : link
Marc Stein
@TheSteinLine
·
39s
There is a growing belief among rival teams that Atlanta will be in pole position for Danilo Gallinari and Rajon Rondo when free agency begins later this week, league sources say

As @NYTSports
reported on Oct. 28, Rondo is also poised to receive strong interest from the Clippers
I'd be Happy if they stayed where they are  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/18/2020 4:59 pm : link
and got Halliburton and Stewart with those 2 picks
Warriors  
UGADawgs7 : 11/18/2020 5:01 pm : link
If they would accept that deal from NYK, beautiful. Idk if they want Randle though. And if that means NYK really LOVE Ball and think he is a legit future AS PG, fine. I’m not a GM so I don’t know scouting like these pros do, but if so Ball had better hit! Mitch is more likely than Randle in a GSW trade....
the problem with Okoro is...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 5:11 pm : link
that even if you can go out and add shooters you are at best going to have 2 good shooters in your lineup and 3 bad ones. Thats not really a recipe for success in todays NBA.
Bucks/Kings  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:13 pm : link
sign and trade deal is "in trouble" per Sam Amick
RE: Bucks/Kings  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15050479 DanMetroMan said:
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sign and trade deal is "in trouble" per Sam Amick


I bet other teams reached out after this and offered more.
sounds like Bogdan...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 5:16 pm : link
never agreed to sign in MIL, kind of a key part of the sign and trade.
RE: Warriors apparently  
TyreeHelmet : 11/18/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15050450 nygiants16 said:
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looking for a rotational piece in a trade down..

Randle, 8, 23, dallas pick for wiggins and 2?
RE: Warriors apparently  
TyreeHelmet : 11/18/2020 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15050450 nygiants16 said:
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looking for a rotational piece in a trade down..

Randle, 8, 23, dallas pick for wiggins and 2?


Sign me up but the Warriors would hang up the phone.
Horford  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:24 pm : link
headed to OKC with a 1st and second for Danny Green
Philly is trading Horford, a 1st and a 2nd  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 5:24 pm : link
to OKC for Danny Green
More picks for Presti!  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 5:27 pm : link
Matt Babcock
@MattBabcock11
·
13m
The Mavs and the Thunder are discussing a trade that would send Danilo Gallinari to Dallas in a sign-and-trade and the 18th pick to OKC, per sources.
Presti lol  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:31 pm : link
Matt Babcock
@MattBabcock11
The Mavs and the Thunder are discussing a trade that would send Danilo Gallinari to Dallas in a sign-and-trade and the 18th pick to OKC, per sources.
,  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:35 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Sixers are sending a lightly-protected 2025 first-round pick and the 34th overall pick in tonight's draft, sources tell ESPN. The Thunder are also sending Terrance Ferguson to the Sixers with Green

OKC also gets Vasilije Micic
That's a pretty light return  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 5:38 pm : link
for having to take on Horford's contract, tbh.
we would be killing the knicks if they took....  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 6:02 pm : link
on horford for that. Not sure i really get that move. Also curious what Morey is trying to do.

If that Tobias contract was just like a year or so shorter id consider taking him with Korkmaz, #21 and our second back (we send back Randle and filler). Harris would be a good fit with this team and is still fairly young. But MAN that contract is awful.
That's a good trade  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 6:09 pm : link
for Philly.
Are we going to run Toppin out there with  
RAIN : 11/18/2020 6:16 pm : link
Julius Randle?

Or are we focusing on non-core guys Frank, whom may not be here much longer? Or Knox, whom plays the four and can't play Defense like Randle, and Toppin?

My point, you guys are focusing on pieces that aren't long term solutions. Knox can shoot it. Can't play D, or defend the 3/4. Similar to Randle. Can score but not defend. Toppin is 22. Okoro is 19.Your not building your team for next year. Your building it looking past 2021.

I'm making bets on people that contribute on both ends of the floor, while developing the jumper. I don't know a lot of players that come into the league shooting a high % from the outside and are complete players. Okoro would be well out of our Range if he was polished shooter and go before Edwards. His jumper form is more projectable than Lamelo's.


nobody is talking about those guys..  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 6:20 pm : link
we are talking about Mitch (not a shooter) and RJ (not a shooter). Those are the guys we are building our team around right now. So the first 3 pieces of your team are all non shooters. Look if the Knicks think that Okoro is head and shoulders the best player then fine, just on paper he doesnt seem like the best fit with RJ and Mitch.
Kelly Oubre  
UGADawgs7 : 11/18/2020 6:21 pm : link
OKC apparently wants to trade Kelly Oubre JR for a 1st according to @thehoopcentral on Twitter. Is Kelly Oubre worth the 23rd pick?
Wow. I hope for his sake it's not serious but this doesn't sound good  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 6:24 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
1m
Warriors star Klay Thompson suffered an apparent lower leg injury today and is undergoing tests to determine severity, sources tell
@TheAthleticNBA

@Stadium
They apparently  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 6:26 pm : link
really like Vassell. Wonder if there's a last minute pivot.
.  
Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 6:28 pm : link
Jonathan Wasserman
@NBADraftWass
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20s
Hearing Isaac Okoro has risen high on the Cavaliers board. Any motivation to swap with the Knicks would be tied to Cleveland's interest/ability to get Okoro at 8.
RE: .  
UGADawgs7 : 11/18/2020 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15050549 Strahan91 said:
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Jonathan Wasserman
@NBADraftWass
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Hearing Isaac Okoro has risen high on the Cavaliers board. Any motivation to swap with the Knicks would be tied to Cleveland's interest/ability to get Okoro at 8.

So basically if NYK moved up to 5, Cleveland really may also want Okoro hence they want more than 8+23? NYK should sit back and take Vassell at 8 and still have a pick at 23, or maybe Tobbin falls to 8 and they don’t have to trade up.
Begley-  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:12 pm : link
Knicks have spoken to the Cavs about 5 to take Obi
Awful Klay  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:13 pm : link
news. Hope it's nothing serious.
Leon  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:18 pm : link
asleep at the wheel? Pistons got 16th overall for just cap space and a future pick?
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:20 pm : link

Chris Fedor
@ChrisFedor
It sure seems like teams are operating under the impression that Deni Avdija is going 4th to Chicago. That's why #Cavs would be willing to move down. Why Knicks would trade up to 5, believing Cavs wouldn't let Obi Toppin get to 8. Why Detroit has considered moving up (Williams)
Hasn't Avidija to Chicago  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:22 pm : link
been a lock for awhile?
We  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:23 pm : link
are totally trading 38, 27 and 8 to land... Obi Toppin lol
Been reading some articles about Edwards & his lack of  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:23 pm : link
love for basketball. Yeah, not someone I'd take...
RE: We  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15050586 DanMetroMan said:
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are totally trading 38, 27 and 8 to land... Obi Toppin lol


Am i crazy for likely Toppin? they obviously need to then move randle
RE: Leon  
TyreeHelmet : 11/18/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15050583 DanMetroMan said:
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asleep at the wheel? Pistons got 16th overall for just cap space and a future pick?


I get that it’s a weak draft but man that seems like a great use of cap space. Ariza is on a 12 million expiring. Seems like a no brainer.

I don’t get why the Knicks seem so averse to these types of deals. Just cut Bobby Portis and there’s your cap space for this move.
RE: RE: We  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15050591 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15050586 DanMetroMan said:


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are totally trading 38, 27 and 8 to land... Obi Toppin lol



Am i crazy for likely Toppin? they obviously need to then move randle


If he fell to 8 maybe, not at the cost of 8, 27 and 38 c'mon. No other team was going to do this and you know it.
'Not good' on  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:30 pm : link
Klay's injury per Marc Spears. Ugh...
Bogdanovic is now going to enter free agency  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:30 pm : link
..
Toppin is not worth  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
all that.
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Sacramento Kings forward Bogdan Bogdanovic plans to enter restricted free agency on Friday at 6 PM ET, sources tell ESPN.
RE: RE: RE: We  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15050593 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15050591 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15050586 DanMetroMan said:


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are totally trading 38, 27 and 8 to land... Obi Toppin lol



Am i crazy for likely Toppin? they obviously need to then move randle



If he fell to 8 maybe, not at the cost of 8, 27 and 38 c'mon. No other team was going to do this and you know it.


that i agree with, i jjst mean the prospect
RE: Bogdanovic is now going to enter free agency  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15050595 nygiants16 said:
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Wait, wasn't he traded to Milwaukee? Am I confusing him with someone else?
RE: RE: Leon  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15050592 TyreeHelmet said:
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asleep at the wheel? Pistons got 16th overall for just cap space and a future pick?



I get that it’s a weak draft but man that seems like a great use of cap space. Ariza is on a 12 million expiring. Seems like a no brainer.

I don’t get why the Knicks seem so averse to these types of deals. Just cut Bobby Portis and there’s your cap space for this move.


Because they are saving the cap space for westbrook
Not  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:32 pm : link
knocking anyone on here but if I told you last week we were trading all 3 picks for Toppin I don't think a single person would have signed for that.
RE: RE: Bogdanovic is now going to enter free agency  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15050600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15050595 nygiants16 said:


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Wait, wasn't he traded to Milwaukee? Am I confusing him with someone else?


He apparently bever agreed to it
RE: RE: Bogdanovic is now going to enter free agency  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15050600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Wait, wasn't he traded to Milwaukee? Am I confusing him with someone else?


Fell through
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:33 pm : link
Damn. I didn't know that.
If Toppin  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:33 pm : link
fell to 8 and he was the pick I wouldn't have loved it but accepted the potential "value". 3 picks seems "lolKnicks". Would love to be proven wrong.
Klay injury change Warriors strategy?  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:34 pm : link
Skunds like an achilles to me
Its like the Knicks go out of there way...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 7:35 pm : link
to make moves that are poor value, lol. I had been talking myself into Obi as good value if he fell to 8, but to give up all our picks for him sux. I was excited about adding 3 solid players today and now we could add one player who im not that thrilled about.
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:35 pm : link
Thinking the same...this might change the dynamics.
I am not sure I want Toppin at 8  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 7:38 pm : link
I would rather Okaro, Vessell, Williams.
Is there anyone that would be worth 3 picks  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 7:38 pm : link
In that trade up scenario? Trying to give myself one last shred of hope.
Maybe this group will surprise  
MookGiants : 11/18/2020 7:40 pm : link
but woof what a horrible year to have a top pick
I  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:40 pm : link
guess LaMelo "joked" he's going #2
RE: Maybe this group will surprise  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15050617 MookGiants said:
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but woof what a horrible year to have a top pick


It feels like a year you should want multiple picks over aiming for one guy. Hope for the best... but nope lol
RE: Is there anyone that would be worth 3 picks  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15050614 widmerseyebrow said:
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In that trade up scenario? Trying to give myself one last shred of hope.


maybe Ball and Wiseman but there is on Zion or Morant in this draft
RE: Maybe this group will surprise  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15050617 MookGiants said:
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but woof what a horrible year to have a top pick


Yup. Next year is the year you want to have a high pick, especially with Cunningham.
sucks about Klay  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/18/2020 7:41 pm : link
hopefully it's just a HAS or something that isn't season ending. I really wanted to see their revenge tour.
2022  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:43 pm : link
Bates, Holmgren, Wembanyama... all 3 go 1/1 this year.
Yeah, the Klay news sucks.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:43 pm : link
Hopefully it's nothing too bad, but the early reports don't sound good.
RE: 2022  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15050623 DanMetroMan said:
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Bates, Holmgren, Wembanyama... all 3 go 1/1 this year.


Yup. Another stacked draft.
I know the competition isn't  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:45 pm : link
stiff, but Silver is the best commish in sports.
Holmgren  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:47 pm : link
is creepily thin but man is he skilled. All 3 of those kids could be special.
RE: I know the competition isn't  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15050627 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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stiff, but Silver is the best commish in sports.


My friends mom sent her up on a date with him years ago. Apparently, he's a very nice guy with a good sense of humor. They never went on a second date.
When is this baby getting underway?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:49 pm : link
Let's go.
RE: When is this baby getting underway?  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15050633 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Let's go.


8
Dan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:50 pm : link
Haha. That's funny. He strikes me as a good dude. Also, he's very bright. I think he went to Duke undergrad?
RE: 2022  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/18/2020 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15050623 DanMetroMan said:
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Bates, Holmgren, Wembanyama... all 3 go 1/1 this year.


That draft is gonna be insane. I was really impressed by both Holmgren and Bates in their game last week. Holmgren is another unicorn and Bates plays like a pro despite being a child.
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 7:51 pm : link
Thanks. My brother told me 7:30...I guess he was thinking ESPN coverage.
Ran into Silver at Jones farm in Shelton, CT  
aimrocky : 11/18/2020 8:00 pm : link
last year cutting down a Christmas tree. He was wearing an NBA wool cap as well.
RE: Dan.  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15050635 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Haha. That's funny. He strikes me as a good dude. Also, he's very bright. I think he went to Duke undergrad?


Yup. He went to Duke. She didn’t have anything particularly noteworthy or funny to say about him other than he was funny and a “good dude”
kids in bed, jjst smoked a nice little blunt  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:02 pm : link
let the craziness go
Edwards and Wiseman are the two top talents, not clean in terms of  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 8:03 pm : link
motor and work ethic, but they won't be in our range so no sense debating them. After that, Toppin is the most likely to contribute in the league. He'll be a 20 ppg scorer for sure, you can't say that about anyone else. None of the PG prospects are guaranteed to even become a George Hill. I don't see anyone with that elite quickness and explosion you need at the PG position. And how do you know LaMelo will be better than Lonzo or Shaun Livingston? How do you know any of the 3-and-D guys will be better than Mikal Bridges? Okoro could be another Stanley Johnson for all we know.

Again, everything is a crapshoot, hopefully we'll have better luck with this regime. I'd be happy with Toppin at 5.
The company line on a Toppin trade-up  
JB_in_DC : 11/18/2020 8:03 pm : link
will cite Wes/Leon connections keying them into improvements to his defensive profile I guess.
RE: kids in bed, jjst smoked a nice little blunt  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15050649 nygiants16 said:
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let the craziness go


Haha. Love it. Just cracked open my second beer.
Edwards to Minny  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:10 pm : link
per Shams.
That’s gonna be a mess in Minny.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 8:11 pm : link
Edwards, D-Lo, KAT - good luck with that.
RE: Edwards to Minny  
Del Shofner : 11/18/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15050656 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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per Shams.


Edwards it is.
RE: RE: kids in bed, jjst smoked a nice little blunt  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15050655 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15050649 nygiants16 said:


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let the craziness go



Haha. Love it. Just cracked open my second beer.


i dont drink anymore, so a little blunt here and there is my thing
Dubs taking Wiseman @ 2  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:16 pm : link
per Shams.
This kills me...Woj has to dance  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:17 pm : link
around it for obvious reasons while Shams just brings it:


Shams Charania

Sources: Charlotte will select LaMelo Ball with the No. 3 overall pick in the NBA Draft.

Adrian Wojnarowski

Charlotte is focused on LaMelo Ball with the No. 3 pick, sources tell ESPN.
Charlotte takes LaMelo, says Woj.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 8:17 pm : link
.
Charlotte i guess out on Westbrook  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:19 pm : link
Knicks going to end up with toppin and westbrook tonight lol
Woj, for obvious reasons,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:19 pm : link
breaking out the thesaurus for another NBA Draft.
Wiseman is a great pick for GS.  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 8:21 pm : link
.
Ball to Hornets.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:22 pm : link
Maybe now we can see LaVar vs. MJ?
Patrick Williams to Chicago.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 8:28 pm : link
Well that shakes things up a bit.
Williams to  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:30 pm : link
Bulls.
Per Woj, Cavs  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:30 pm : link
shopping 5th pick.
Williams  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 8:31 pm : link
had been rumored to the Bulls for some time.
RE: Per Woj, Cavs  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15050681 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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shopping 5th pick.


Would love it if Knkcms could trade for 5 and somehow get Garland with it..
.  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 8:32 pm : link
Cavs take Okoro  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 8:33 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
22s
Sources: Cleveland is selecting Isaac Okoro with the No. 5 pick in the NBA Draft.
Knicks stay at 8 and take Obi?  
Sean : 11/18/2020 8:34 pm : link
.
Didn't Detroit give a promise to Williams at 7?  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 8:34 pm : link
He must have shot really well in the workouts. Great athlete but doesn't seem to have an offensive game.
RE: Cavs take Okoro  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15050686 KevinBBWC said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
22s
Sources: Cleveland is selecting Isaac Okoro with the No. 5 pick in the NBA Draft.



...is that the Knicks guy?
That means the Knicks are guaranteed one of Halliburton  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:35 pm : link
Toppin or Avdija
Give me Adjiva.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:35 pm : link
Please. Please. Please.
Nice!  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:35 pm : link
Honestly working out as well as one could have hoped for the Knicks. Didn't want Okoro.
Glad to hear it  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:35 pm : link
Really didn't feel like Okoro was right for the Knicks.

One of Toppin, Hayes, Lewis, or Vassell will be a Knick, and I'm pretty good with that.
RE: That means the Knicks are guaranteed one of Halliburton  
Del Shofner : 11/18/2020 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15050691 dpinzow said:
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Toppin or Avdija


out of those who do you want?
Hawks  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:36 pm : link
taking Okongwu. Also great.
Stay at 8  
Jerry's Kids : 11/18/2020 8:36 pm : link
At you might get Cole Anthony on the back end or Flynn. Plenty of good players at 8.
RE: RE: That means the Knicks are guaranteed one of Halliburton  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15050696 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 15050691 dpinzow said:


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Toppin or Avdija



out of those who do you want?


Halliburton > Avdija > Toppin

We need a PG desperately and Halliburton will be a good one
RE: RE: That means the Knicks are guaranteed one of Halliburton  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15050696 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 15050691 dpinzow said:


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Toppin or Avdija



out of those who do you want?


I talked myself into Halliburton earlier this afternoon.
You have to think Detroit goes Point Guard  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:37 pm : link
If you draft Toppin, Randle must be traded
RE: Hawks  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15050697 Jon in NYC said:
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taking Okongwu. Also great.


Looks like Knicks will get Toppin without trading up.

Wonder if they try to trade up from 23 to get a PG?
Sounds  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:38 pm : link
like the Pistons want Hayes. It's gonna be Toppin.
Avdija  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 8:39 pm : link
I said this afternoon they thought he would fall to us. Not saying we take him but he was getting consideration.
Would love  
TommyWiseau : 11/18/2020 8:39 pm : link
Vassel and a move up using Dallas picks to land a PG
Obi  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 8:39 pm : link
falls to 8 after all the talk there was no chance he would
RE: Sounds  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15050703 Jon in NYC said:
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like the Pistons want Hayes. It's gonna be Toppin.


He's a meh pick IMO. Another small forward stretch 4 who can't defend. Give me Halliburton or Avdija
Pistons taking  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:40 pm : link
Hayes per Shams.
Working out well for the Knicks.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 8:40 pm : link
Didn’t expect Deni and Toppin to be available.
Pistons take Killian Hayes  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 8:40 pm : link
Knicks have their choice of Haliburton, Avidja & Toppin. I want them in that order.
Toppin  
RAIN : 11/18/2020 8:40 pm : link
Another one dimensional player. This isn’t 2004. You need players that can compete on both ends.
RE: Pistons taking  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15050709 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Hayes per Shams.


Please pick Halliburton
Tough to choose between Toppin and Avdija....  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 8:41 pm : link
I don't see it with Halliburton at all.
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:41 pm : link
probably take Avidja here.
RE: I'd  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15050715 Jon in NYC said:
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probably take Avidja here.


I'm fine with him too but then you're acknowledging the Knox pick was a bust
RE: RE: I'd  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15050716 dpinzow said:
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probably take Avidja here.



I'm fine with him too but then you're acknowledging the Knox pick was a bust


Sold. Knox was a bust.
What am I missing about Avdija?  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:44 pm : link
I admittedly don't pay much attention at all to foreign prospects. He sounds kind of like a poor man's Ben Simmons. Big, skilled passer, weak shooter, average athlete. What's his upside?
I don't know if Knox is a bust yet...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:45 pm : link
But he hasn't lived up to the hype.
It's  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:45 pm : link
Toppin.
Woj  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 8:45 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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16s
New York has long been excited that Dayton's Obi Toppin might drop to them at No. 8, sources tell ESPN. He's almost there.
Woj all but saying Knicks taking  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
Toppin.
RE: I don't know if Knox is a bust yet...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15050721 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But he hasn't lived up to the hype.


They never tried him at his best position which is stretch 4.
Knox has been a bust.....so far  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
But he just turned 21. Still could turn it around.
Now trade randle  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
..
Knicks select Obi Toppin  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
That's who they wanted
RE: Woj  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15050724 KevinBBWC said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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16s
New York has long been excited that Dayton's Obi Toppin might drop to them at No. 8, sources tell ESPN. He's almost there.


Toppin can't play defense to save his life. Maybe Thibs can coach him up
So who’s the PG?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/18/2020 8:47 pm : link
...
Well, they got their man at #8, no trade up needed.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 8:48 pm : link
Looking forward to #23.
Do they try to trade up from 23 for a PG or stay put?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 8:48 pm : link
.
RE: Knicks select Obi Toppin  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15050729 Big Rick in FL said:
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That's who they wanted


Toppin is a one-dimensional stretch 4 type who can score at will but has virtually zero defensive skills required of an NBA power forward or stretch 4
Toppin  
MookGiants : 11/18/2020 8:48 pm : link
will likely at least be exciting to watch.

This Knicks team not only sucks balls but they are remarkably boring to watch.
There's  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:49 pm : link
still a lot of guys left. Kira, Haliburton, Vassell. If one of them somehow fell 14 picks that would be unbelievable.
RE: So who’s the PG?  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15050733 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Westbrook and maybe Terry or Flynn
RE: RE: Knicks select Obi Toppin  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15050736 dpinzow said:
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In comment 15050729 Big Rick in FL said:


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That's who they wanted



Toppin is a one-dimensional stretch 4 type who can score at will but has virtually zero defensive skills required of an NBA power forward or stretch 4


I mean he's definitely not one dimensional. He can't defend or rebound, but he's a dynamic offensive player.
I am not the biggest Thibs fan  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:50 pm : link
But he knows defense. If he's on board with the Toppin pick, then I have to think he believes he can become at least an average defender.
All this Toppin pick does is amp up the Westbrook rumors  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:50 pm : link
because Thibs will not go into the season without an established PG
RE: All this Toppin pick does is amp up the Westbrook rumors  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15050742 dpinzow said:
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because Thibs will not go into the season without an established PG


I'd agree with this.
More athletic Tobias Harris  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/18/2020 8:52 pm : link
Is that a decent comp for Toppin’s upside?
RE: RE: All this Toppin pick does is amp up the Westbrook rumors  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15050743 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15050742 dpinzow said:


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because Thibs will not go into the season without an established PG



I'd agree with this.


And the Hornets have their PG in Lamelo
I  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 8:52 pm : link
agree the Knicks should have taken Haliburton. They need a PG, and Toppin's lack of defensive intensity is concerning.
RE: More athletic Tobias Harris  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15050744 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Is that a decent comp for Toppin’s upside?


Not bad
RE: RE: RE: Knicks select Obi Toppin  
Heisenberg : 11/18/2020 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15050740 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15050736 dpinzow said:


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In comment 15050729 Big Rick in FL said:


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That's who they wanted



Toppin is a one-dimensional stretch 4 type who can score at will but has virtually zero defensive skills required of an NBA power forward or stretch 4



I mean he's definitely not one dimensional. He can't defend or rebound, but he's a dynamic offensive player.


yeah, he can score at all three levels. He's Kanter-esque in PnR defense.

I need Terry at 23 now pls
RE: More athletic Tobias Harris  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15050744 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Is that a decent comp for Toppin’s upside?


The right comparison is actually a much older school player: Larry Nance
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15050746 AcidTest said:
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agree the Knicks should have taken Haliburton. They need a PG, and Toppin's lack of defensive intensity is concerning.


Problem with Haliburton, he xoesnt have thr athleticism to get into the lane, i dont want my Point guard hanging around the perimiter
RE: So who’s the PG?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2020 8:54 pm : link
In comment 15050733 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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The same as its been for 10 years. Nobody. Nobody is the PG because they never get one.
Yeah that's right,fuck this league  
ghost718 : 11/18/2020 8:54 pm : link
Oooh, nice pull there!  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:55 pm : link
I can definitely see some Larry Nance to him
For you guys who follow the basketball  
arniefez : 11/18/2020 8:56 pm : link
did the Knicks just draft Channing Frye or Jordan Hill again?
Obi sobbing.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 8:56 pm : link
Thrilled to be a Knick.
Eh, I wasnt a Haliburton fan  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:56 pm : link
I'm sorry they didn't have a shot at Hayes, though apparently they would have picked Toppin anyway.
I think the notion of drafting "winning" players is funny. Frank is  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 8:56 pm : link
the epitome of a winning player. He's a good defender, unselfish to a fault, no ego at all, can shoot when open, young....but people forget that he's just not very good at playing basketball.

Let's see who they can get at 23.
I Don’t Know College BBall  
Samiam : 11/18/2020 8:57 pm : link
But how is it that the Knicks haven’t had a good PG in like forever?
RE: For you guys who follow the basketball  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15050755 arniefez said:
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did the Knicks just draft Channing Frye or Jordan Hill again?


Not even close. Toppin is going to score, and score a bunch. The question is will he allow even more points than he puts in.
RE: For you guys who follow the basketball  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15050755 arniefez said:
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did the Knicks just draft Channing Frye or Jordan Hill again?


No way, Toppin is a freakish athlete. Think Larry Nance back when he was on the Suns in the 80s
Love the emotion. NY kid.  
RDJR : 11/18/2020 8:58 pm : link
Hope he turns out to be a good player.
they got their guy without trading up...  
Italianju : 11/18/2020 8:59 pm : link
i mean I would have preferred Haliburton or Avdija but at 8 this is not a bad pick. He has just as good of a chance of being a star as anyone outside of the top 3 (and maybe including the top 3). Had they traded up i would have been pissied, but this is fine.

Now do something with Randle please
Wizards  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 8:59 pm : link
take Avdija. Does that mean Wall is on the move?
Meh  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 9:00 pm : link
I'll keep an open mind heading into the season. This might be an omen for Westbrook though. But Obi starting alongside Mitch and RJ works for me. Please just get rid of Randle already!
RE: Obi sobbing.  
mfsd : 11/18/2020 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15050756 bceagle05 said:
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Thrilled to be a Knick.


Obi is the cousin of one of my best friends from college. Their family is over the moon.

I haven’t followed this draft close enough to opine on whether he was the right pick, but rooting hard for the kid.
Well  
TommyWiseau : 11/18/2020 9:01 pm : link
I am glad we didn't move up for him. His offensive game is great and he is athletic, hopefully he can put it together somewhat on defense.
Toppin can come in this year  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:01 pm : link
and be 18 and 8, lets hope Thibs can teach him defense..
Toppin is Amare-lite with an outside shot.  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 9:02 pm : link
And, aside from AD and Green, which elite PF in the league is a top defender?

Toppin is perfect with Mitch.

Haliburton isn't quick or vertically explosive, not a great shooter, okay handle, what makes you think he'll be a great PG? Because he's unselfish?
do we take on  
TommyWiseau : 11/18/2020 9:03 pm : link
a shitty contract to move up to land Kira Lewis?
RE: do we take on  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15050772 TommyWiseau said:
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a shitty contract to move up to land Kira Lewis?


Depends on the shitty contract, but I probably would. I really like Kira's game.
Lol we found the one guy in organized basketball  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 9:04 pm : link
That cried tears of joy to come play for the Knicks!!!
RE: RE: More athletic Tobias Harris  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/18/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15050749 dpinzow said:
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Is that a decent comp for Toppin’s upside?



The right comparison is actually a much older school player: Larry Nance


Nance was a pretty good defender though. I can def see the similarities in terms of finishing.

Hopefully his defense is up to par. He should atleast provide some excitement for Knicks fans. RJ Barrett/Obi/Mitch... the Knicks are forming an identity of a team that could potentially be really good at scoring inside, but they need their outside shooting to be good enough to allow them that opportunity. Barrett getting a jumper remains the key.
RE: do we take on  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15050772 TommyWiseau said:
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a shitty contract to move up to land Kira Lewis?


If possible I would hope so.
The one  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:04 pm : link
thing you can say about Obi, is he can probably be a team's 2rd or probably 3rd scorer on a really good team. Not a ton of guys in this draft could say that. Edwards...maybe that's it?
Kira Lewis would be nice  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 9:05 pm : link
.
Now please draft a point guard at 23  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:05 pm : link
and i am lerfectly fine taking a chance on Cole Anthony at 23..
RE: RE: RE: More athletic Tobias Harris  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15050776 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 15050749 dpinzow said:


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In comment 15050744 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:


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Is that a decent comp for Toppin’s upside?



The right comparison is actually a much older school player: Larry Nance



Nance was a pretty good defender though. I can def see the similarities in terms of finishing.

Hopefully his defense is up to par. He should atleast provide some excitement for Knicks fans. RJ Barrett/Obi/Mitch... the Knicks are forming an identity of a team that could potentially be really good at scoring inside, but they need their outside shooting to be good enough to allow them that opportunity. Barrett getting a jumper remains the key.


Interestingly enough RJ may actually have the worst jumper out of all 3 of those guys.
IMO the Knicks  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 9:07 pm : link
Are going hard at VanVleet, Westbrook or another veteran PG.

RE: Lol we found the one guy in organized basketball  
Del Shofner : 11/18/2020 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15050774 Stu11 said:
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That cried tears of joy to come play for the Knicks!!!


haha - so true.
dpinzow  
arniefez : 11/18/2020 9:10 pm : link
Thanks. Larry Nance was a hell of player. I'm sure the Knicks would be thrilled if he played to that level.
RE: RE: Lol we found the one guy in organized basketball  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15050784 Del Shofner said:
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That cried tears of joy to come play for the Knicks!!!



haha - so true.


I think he's from the lower east side
Well the way this has unfolded  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 9:11 pm : link
The almost 100% of people clamoring that the top of this draft was not one to give up assets to move up in were dead on balls accurate.
Stix goes top 10!  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 9:11 pm : link
Shocker. I'm definately staying up late this year to watch me some Suns action
RE: RE: RE: Lol we found the one guy in organized basketball  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15050786 dpinzow said:
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That cried tears of joy to come play for the Knicks!!!



haha - so true.



I think he's from the lower east side


Brooklyn, no?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lol we found the one guy in organized basketball  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15050790 Spider43 said:
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In comment 15050774 Stu11 said:


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That cried tears of joy to come play for the Knicks!!!



haha - so true.



I think he's from the lower east side



Brooklyn, no?


You're right, Bushwick
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lol we found the one guy in organized basketball  
shyster : 11/18/2020 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15050790 Spider43 said:
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That cried tears of joy to come play for the Knicks!!!



haha - so true.



I think he's from the lower east side



Brooklyn, no?


Yes, Bushwick. Moved to Florida for HS.

RJ's mother is from Brooklyn, went to St Johns. He really wanted to be a Knick too.

As a Brooklyn native myself, really hope it works out.

RE: Well the way this has unfolded  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15050787 bigbluehoya said:
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The almost 100% of people clamoring that the top of this draft was not one to give up assets to move up in were dead on balls accurate.

Yep the one guaranteed thing in life in pro sports drafts is that when all the reporters say its gonna be a wild night of trades, there are virtually none...
Yep, Brooklyn native  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 9:17 pm : link
Spent some high school years in Florida but grew up in Bushwick
.  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 9:17 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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New Orleans has been discussing trade scenarios with the No. 13 pick, sources tell ESPN.
RE: .  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15050795 KevinBBWC said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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2m
New Orleans has been discussing trade scenarios with the No. 13 pick, sources tell ESPN.


Hell yes swoop in there for Kira.
Not surprised the Spurs snapped up Vassell  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 9:19 pm : link
Seems like the archetypal Spurs player
Pelicans  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:21 pm : link
are taking Kira. Fuck. Hopefully it's part of a trade.
Hali to Sacramento.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:21 pm : link
.
RE: Pelicans  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15050801 Jon in NYC said:
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are taking Kira. Fuck. Hopefully it's part of a trade.


It has to be they have Bledsoe, George Hill and Lonzo
RE: Pelicans  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15050801 Jon in NYC said:
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are taking Kira. Fuck. Hopefully it's part of a trade.


Hopefully
RE: RE: Pelicans  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15050803 nygiants16 said:
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are taking Kira. Fuck. Hopefully it's part of a trade.



It has to be they have Bledsoe, George Hill and Lonzo


Eh. None of those guys are long term options. Maybe they'll trade Bledsoe.
Obi  
ripdumaine : 11/18/2020 9:24 pm : link
Ended up back in NY for Jr and Sr yr at Ossining hs
Damn  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 9:25 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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1m
New Orleans plans to keep Kira Lewis with No. 13 pick.
And everyone said there would  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 9:26 pm : link
Be tons of deals......NOT.
RE: RE: RE: Pelicans  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15050806 Jon in NYC said:
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are taking Kira. Fuck. Hopefully it's part of a trade.



It has to be they have Bledsoe, George Hill and Lonzo



Eh. None of those guys are long term options. Maybe they'll trade Bledsoe.


I thought they would go Nesmith
Bah  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 9:26 pm : link
Well, guess they're going to be hunting for a vet point.
RE: And everyone said there would  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2020 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15050810 Carl in CT said:
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Be tons of deals......NOT.


Oh, we're going old school? Mint!
Cole Anthony to Orlando, per Woj.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:28 pm : link
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I think the  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:29 pm : link
Knicks are going to take Tyrell Terry if he's there.

Just a hunch.
RE: Stix goes top 10!  
Jerry's Kids : 11/18/2020 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15050788 Stu11 said:
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Shocker. I'm definately staying up late this year to watch me some Suns action


I don’t understand that pick at all, doesn’t seem like a good fit with Ayton in the middle. Go Suns thou I follow Bridges out there.
RE: Cole Anthony to Orlando, per Woj.  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15050816 bceagle05 said:
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Shocked he went that high
RJ Hampton  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 9:32 pm : link
At #23?
Maxey  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 9:33 pm : link
Would be my projection if still there.
Like RJ  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 9:33 pm : link
Too.
Won’t last to 23  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 9:33 pm : link
But Saddiq Bey would be a nice fit for NYK.

A versatile defender and good 3p shooter, feels complimentary in both directions between RJ and Toppin.
RE: Won’t last to 23  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15050825 bigbluehoya said:
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But Saddiq Bey would be a nice fit for NYK.

A versatile defender and good 3p shooter, feels complimentary in both directions between RJ and Toppin.


Would've loved Bey had we not taken Toppin. We need backcourt help desperately.
Lots of intriguing options.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:35 pm : link
Terry, Bane, Hampton, Maxey, Bey, Flynn - many will come off the board between now and 23. I hope Stewart is off the table now - need a guard or wing.
RE: Won’t last to 23  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15050825 bigbluehoya said:
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But Saddiq Bey would be a nice fit for NYK.

A versatile defender and good 3p shooter, feels complimentary in both directions between RJ and Toppin.


Tough thing to type as a Hoyas fan, but Bey was an absolute pain in the nuts to play against.
Wow Detroit is taking Stewart, per Woj.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:36 pm : link
Seems like a reach.
Oh my. Cole at 15 is a  
jpkmets : 11/18/2020 9:37 pm : link
giant reach, IMO, as someone who watches a ton of unc.
Ricky Rubio headed back to Minnesota  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:39 pm : link
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RE: RE: Won’t last to 23  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15050826 Anakim said:
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But Saddiq Bey would be a nice fit for NYK.

A versatile defender and good 3p shooter, feels complimentary in both directions between RJ and Toppin.



Would've loved Bey had we not taken Toppin. We need backcourt help desperately.


I don’t see a game changing point guard worth forcing something at 23 right now. A safe 3-and-D contributor is a welcome add for any team but a real need on this NYK roster right now.
RE: RE: Won’t last to 23  
Jerry's Kids : 11/18/2020 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15050828 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 15050825 bigbluehoya said:


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But Saddiq Bey would be a nice fit for NYK.

A versatile defender and good 3p shooter, feels complimentary in both directions between RJ and Toppin.



Tough thing to type as a Hoyas fan, but Bey was an absolute pain in the nuts to play against.


With no respect to Jay Billass, Bey is the best shooter in this draft. The dude he talked about played 14 games.

Damn Cole Anthony is gone. I think he’s gonna be a steal.
My top  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:41 pm : link
2 guys are probably Maxey and Bey at this point.
#17  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 9:41 pm : link
Big foreigner.
There is the Kenny Payne/Tyrese Maxey connection  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:42 pm : link
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Jaden McDaniels is another really good prospect  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:44 pm : link
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Dallas  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:44 pm : link
taking Green. 5 picks left with Maxey, Bey on the board.
Landry Shamet to the Nets  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:45 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Clippers are trading Landry Shamet to the Nets for No. 19, source tells ESPN.
RE: Dallas  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15050840 Jon in NYC said:
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taking Green. 5 picks left with Maxey, Bey on the board.


And Tyrell Terry.
RE: Landry Shamet to the Nets  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15050841 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Clippers are trading Landry Shamet to the Nets for No. 19, source tells ESPN.


And Clippers trade #19 to the Pistons for Luke Kennard
RE: Landry Shamet to the Nets  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15050841 Anakim said:
Quote:
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The Clippers are trading Landry Shamet to the Nets for No. 19, source tells ESPN.


damn
4 players go before us  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 9:46 pm : link
Hope Bey, RJ, Maxey is there or Terry.
Nets get a really good shooter  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:47 pm : link
really nice fit
Sean Marks doesn’t make too many mistakes.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:49 pm : link
.
.  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 9:49 pm : link
This is a three-way deal that includes the Pistons, with Luke Kennard heading to the Clippers, sources tell ESPN.


The Clippers are trading Landry Shamet to the Nets for No. 19, source tells ESPN.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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The Pistons will get the No. 19 pick, giving them three in the Top 20 now, per source.
Wonder if Nets know  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 9:49 pm : link
they wont be able to keep Harris
Although Marks  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:50 pm : link
was bailed out of some terrible RFA offer sheets early on. But lately...damn.
Love Poku to OKC.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 9:52 pm : link
Give him a development year while they tank.
Pistons take Bey  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 9:53 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
31s
Sources: Detroit is selecting Saddiq Bey with the No. 19 pick in the NBA Draft.
Fuck it. I want Maxey  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 9:57 pm : link
.
Confused as to why  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 9:58 pm : link
The Nets don’t want that Bey pick there. Dude is a perfect fit next to 2 max players. He’ll drill the open shot, play defense and rebound, and keep his mouth shut.
I want Flynn big time but I don't think they're gonna take him  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 9:59 pm : link
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Precious  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 9:59 pm : link
Gone to miami
.  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:00 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
21s
Miami is targeting Precious Achiuwa at No. 20, source tells ESPN.

Only two more players going in front of us.
Prescious at 20.  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:00 pm : link
Knicks guaranteed one of Hampton, Maxey or Terry.

I think it's going to be Maxey if here's there. Kentucky connection.
The Nets/Pistons/Clippers trade is so odd  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/18/2020 10:00 pm : link
They just flipped around different players with pretty similar skill sets (all shooters). I wonder who wins the deal down the line.
I think it’s Maxey, too  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:01 pm : link
but I’d be very happy with Bane.
His brother's name is God'sgift?  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:01 pm : link
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RE: His brother's name is God'sgift?  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15050864 Anakim said:
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Yeah he played for St. Johns. Big family they all have crazy names.
There goes Maxey to the sixers  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:04 pm : link
..
Maxey  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 10:04 pm : link
Gone
Morey  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:04 pm : link
with two great moves already.
RE: Fuck it. I want Maxey  
Jerry's Kids : 11/18/2020 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15050855 Anakim said:
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Me too, he’s a gamer. I don’t love his shot, but he has size, some wiggle and can defend. RJ Hampton also tempting. Terry is undersized, but has been compared to Steph Curry, so that’s nice.

Need someone who can break a defense down off the dribble and shoot the ball.
RE: There goes Maxey to the sixers  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15050866 nygiants16 said:
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Fuck. Alright, I'm down with Hampton or Terry
Big  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 10:13 pm : link
To denver
Knicks up  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:13 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
10s
Sources: Denver is selecting Zeke Nnaji with the No. 22 pick in the NBA Draft.
Thoughts on Maledon?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 10:13 pm : link
?
Think I like Flynn the most here  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
.
So  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
If we don't pick RJ Hampton at #23 (or even Tre Jones), start ordering your home white Russell Westbrook jerseys.
We're up  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
Fuck it. Swing for the fences with Hampton.
Wally and Hahn talking up my boy Flynn  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
So would love to see him at the Garden. Think they're gonna take Bane or Hamptin though
Give me Terry  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 10:15 pm : link
We need a knock down shooter
RE: We're up  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15050882 Anakim said:
Quote:
Fuck it. Swing for the fences with Hampton.


I agree.
I think  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:15 pm : link
Terry has the most upside out of who's left.
RE: So  
dpinzow : 11/18/2020 10:16 pm : link
In comment 15050880 Spider43 said:
Quote:
If we don't pick RJ Hampton at #23 (or even Tre Jones), start ordering your home white Russell Westbrook jerseys.


Even if they do, the Westbrook rumors will be there because Thibs is going to demand an established PG
Right  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 10:18 pm : link
now, the Knicks don't have a PG or shooters. Not exactly a winning formula.
Well, now really wish they had kept their two picks instead.  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 10:19 pm : link
I guess you go RJ Hampton here.
Shit  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 10:19 pm : link
Foreigner
Knicks take Leandro Bolmaro  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:20 pm : link
The Knicks are targeting Leandro Bolmaro at No. 23, source tells ESPN. New York selected Obi Toppin at No. 8.
.  
Walnut : 11/18/2020 10:20 pm : link
Can't take anyone from overseas after the Frank disaster
Knicks are trading for Westbrook  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:20 pm : link
obvious now
Why do they always do this.  
guitarguybs12 : 11/18/2020 10:21 pm : link
Yuck.
So this is why the Knicks...  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/18/2020 10:21 pm : link
Traded up?
Knicks trade  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 10:21 pm : link
23 for 25 & 33
Traded pick to MIN  
adamg : 11/18/2020 10:21 pm : link
For 25 and 33.

Nice
RE: Knicks take Leandro Bolmaro  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15050893 KevinBBWC said:
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The Knicks are targeting Leandro Bolmaro at No. 23, source tells ESPN. New York selected Obi Toppin at No. 8.


Okay...I know nothing about him, but my friend likes him a lot
bad shooter?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 10:21 pm : link
.
Possible Knicks trade?  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
Brian Windhorst
@WindhorstESPN
·
1m
Knicks talking to Minnesota about moving pick No. 23 for picks 25 & 33, sources said.
Wooo! The Hampton/Terry dream is still alive!  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
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oh ok  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
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Oh thank God, a trade.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
Fuck off with Bolmaro.
Knicks have traded the pick  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
get 25 and 33
RE: bad shooter?  
Big Rick in FL : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15050902 widmerseyebrow said:
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He's a Timberwolve anyway. So doesn't matter for the Knicks.
They  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
ended up trading 27 and 38 for 25 and 33 lmao
RE: Traded pick to MIN  
Shecky : 11/18/2020 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15050899 adamg said:
Quote:
For 25 and 33.

Nice


So moved up two in 1st and four in second. Amazing trade in hindsight. Wonder who they were targeting with the 23rd trade up?
RE: Possible Knicks trade?  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15050903 KevinBBWC said:
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Brian Windhorst
@WindhorstESPN
·
1m
Knicks talking to Minnesota about moving pick No. 23 for picks 25 & 33, sources said.


27/38 for 25/33. Totally would do that.
I know nothing about him  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
Reading that he cant shoot is not encouraging
RE: They  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15050909 Jon in NYC said:
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ended up trading 27 and 38 for 25 and 33 lmao


Three dimensional chess
who the  
TommyWiseau : 11/18/2020 10:23 pm : link
f is this guy
God dammit  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:24 pm : link
Alright. Go with Terry. Let's hope he winds up better than our last Stanford guy, Landry Fields.
RE: They  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15050909 Jon in NYC said:
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ended up trading 27 and 38 for 25 and 33 lmao


Nice trading by Rose.
I’m watching Knicks Fan TV on a slight delay...  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:24 pm : link
Can’t wait to listen to them lose their minds when the Bolmaro pick is announced.
RE: God dammit  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15050915 Anakim said:
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Alright. Go with Terry. Let's hope he winds up better than our last Stanford guy, Landry Fields.


Wait, was Fields the last Stanford guy we had? I feel like there was another?
RE: God dammit  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:24 pm : link
In comment 15050915 Anakim said:
Quote:
Alright. Go with Terry. Let's hope he winds up better than our last Stanford guy, Landry Fields.


Landry Fields was a great contributor for a second rounder.
Hampton to Pelicans  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:25 pm : link
another point guard?
Hampton gone  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:25 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
·
1m
Sources: New Orleans picking RJ Hampton at No. 24 and trading him to Denver.
Sounds like that’s the deal...  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/18/2020 10:25 pm : link
Knocks get 25 and 33...
Hampton  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 10:25 pm : link
to the Bucks. The Knicks obviously didn't want him, or they wouldn't have risked losing him by making that trade.
RE: Hampton  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15050924 AcidTest said:
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to the Bucks. The Knicks obviously didn't want him, or they wouldn't have risked losing him by making that trade.


Yup. Or they had two guys that were close.
RE: RE: God dammit  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15050920 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 15050915 Anakim said:


Quote:


Alright. Go with Terry. Let's hope he winds up better than our last Stanford guy, Landry Fields.



Landry Fields was a great contributor for a second rounder.


True. He was decent for a couple of years...at least he sucked with Toronto.
I thought I could hit the sack  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 10:26 pm : link
Now I have to wait till pick 33, LOL!
Wut? The 3.5 minutes of clips on that Argentinian guy was actually  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 10:27 pm : link
good!!

Hampton is gone too, now what?

Quickley? Nwora? Terry seems awfully slow.
ESPN has OKC with...  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/18/2020 10:27 pm : link
Pick 35, not Minny...
There's your PG!  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:28 pm : link
And he has the Kenny Payne connection
Nwora? Mehhhhh  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 10:28 pm : link
Very good college player, not enough of an athlete to be more than a benchwarmer as a pro
Quickley to Knicks  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:28 pm : link
good shooter
Apparently that Bolmaro guy isn't coming to the US  
adamg : 11/18/2020 10:28 pm : link
For a year anyway.
Holy shit we turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33?  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 10:28 pm : link
You mean the Knicks FO did something clever and smart???? Its a new era!
Meh  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:29 pm : link
disappointed by that.
Quickley is a nice value at that spot  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 10:30 pm : link
Good shooter too. Not a great playmaker but they run so much offense through Barrett anyway I don't think it's a problem.
At  
AcidTest : 11/18/2020 10:30 pm : link
this point in the draft, Quickley is a good pick by the Knicks. A PG who can shoot.
.  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:31 pm : link
Sam Vecenie
@Sam_Vecenie

Remember: Kenny Payne coached Immanuel Quickley last year at Kentucky, and Quickley gets absolutely rave reviews from any source you talk to about him as a kid. Not surprised at all the Knicks wanted him. Had him locked in at 38 for a while.
Yes  
XBRONX : 11/18/2020 10:31 pm : link
Meh, who needs a great shooter?
CAA Wildcats, baby!  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:32 pm : link
.
According to Windhorst  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:33 pm : link
Knicks now looking to trade 33
RE: Meh  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15050935 Jon in NYC said:
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disappointed by that.


Im taking this back. I don't know much about Quickley. I did want Terry or Bane but it sounds like Quickley can bring some of the same stuff to the table.
I dont think Quickley will be a point guard  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 10:33 pm : link
more of an off guard shooter in the nba
I'm fine with Quickley  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 10:33 pm : link
Less Russ rumors. We didn't end up with LaMela. I'm happy.
Knicks trading the 33 now???  
Beezer : 11/18/2020 10:33 pm : link
???
At 33  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 10:34 pm : link
Woodard, Bane, or Flynn would be nice
RE: According to Windhorst  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15050941 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks now looking to trade 33


Terry, Bane or McDaniels!
the internet is doing a terrible job keeping up with all of this  
islander1 : 11/18/2020 10:34 pm : link
I am not watching, but now wish I was.
IQ  
UGADawgs7 : 11/18/2020 10:34 pm : link
Is a LETHAL 3 pt shooter! Kenny Payne all over this pick and he is a great coach. Solid defender, amazing FT shooter also which is a must.
could someone post the Cliff Notes -  
Del Shofner : 11/18/2020 10:35 pm : link
I know about #8 but WTF happened after that? Do we have the Argentina guy or did we trade that pick, and if so who did we get?

Falling asleep over here...
.  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:35 pm : link
Jeremy Woo
@JeremyWoo

My understanding is Immanuel Quickley won a number of teams over with remarkable shooting displays in private workouts over the past month. The Kentucky connections within the Knicks’ front office and coaching staff certainly mattered. NY betting on his intangibles and jumper.
Reading up on Quickley...  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/18/2020 10:35 pm : link
His background is as a PG...only played the 2 out of necessity at Kentucky...
RE: could someone post the Cliff Notes -  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15050950 Del Shofner said:
Quote:
I know about #8 but WTF happened after that? Do we have the Argentina guy or did we trade that pick, and if so who did we get?

Falling asleep over here...


Dealt for 25 (Quickley) and 33
Quickley  
Beezer : 11/18/2020 10:43 pm : link
SEC player of the year.

Conference games 18.4 ppg and shot 47.8% on 3s


RE: .  
Jerry's Kids : 11/18/2020 10:46 pm : link
In comment 15050951 Anakim said:
Quote:
Jeremy Woo
@JeremyWoo

My understanding is Immanuel Quickley won a number of teams over with remarkable shooting displays in private workouts over the past month. The Kentucky connections within the Knicks’ front office and coaching staff certainly mattered. NY betting on his intangibles and jumper.


He can shoot it and play defense, that’s what they need. I hope they keep 33 and get another PG. Tre Jones, Terry, and Cassius Winston are still available. Still surprised they didn’t take RJ Hampton.
Quickley was a top 20 recruit, but definitely more of a shooter than  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 10:46 pm : link
a playmaker. Along with Winston he shot the lights out at the combine.

Was hoping for Maxey though. So close.
Maledon,  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:47 pm : link
Terry, Flynn still there if they want a pure point.
Love the Quickley pick  
Jim from Katonah : 11/18/2020 10:47 pm : link
McDonald’s All-American, SEC player of the year as a sophomore, 6’10” wingspan, 92% free throw shooter, and Payne obviously vouched for him. Finally, a pure shooter.
Maledon could be a steal  
ghost718 : 11/18/2020 10:49 pm : link
One of those guys who was top 15 early,than fell into the NBA Bermuda Triangle

Better athlete than what people say
RE: Maledon,  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15050961 Jon in NYC said:
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Terry, Flynn still there if they want a pure point.


Sounds good to me
Woodard and Bane hanging around too.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:51 pm : link
Nice choices at #33. Hope we stay put.
Celtics moving number 30  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:52 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
7s
Boston is moving the 30th pick, per source.
Toronto takes Flynn.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:52 pm : link
.
Toronto  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 10:54 pm : link
taking Flynn. Could mean FVV departure?
.  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 10:54 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
26s
Grizzlies are targeting Desmond Bane here, per source.
Grizzlies taking Bane at 30.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 10:54 pm : link
Damn.
Very interesting pick. Makes you think they're not so sure  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 10:54 pm : link
They're keeping FVV
Elijah Hughes?  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 10:55 pm : link
His tapes look good.
Yeah, I don't know anything about Maledon  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:57 pm : link
But it seems like Terry is far and away the best player available at this point
Woodard is the one guy I see here  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 10:58 pm : link
Maybe Tyler Bey
What about Vernon Carey Jr.?  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 10:59 pm : link
.
Terry to DAL at 31  
adamg : 11/18/2020 10:59 pm : link
Damn
I think  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:00 pm : link
I want Maledon
RE: Terry to DAL at 31  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15050981 adamg said:
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Damn


Fuck. So close to Maxey. So close to Hampton. So close to Terry....
RE: Yeah, I don't know anything about Maledon  
Jerry's Kids : 11/18/2020 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15050978 Anakim said:
Quote:
But it seems like Terry is far and away the best player available at this point


That draft nerd Kevin O’Conner had Terry ranked 8th in this draft. The NBA is such a crap shoot. And why can’t they certify these trades so we know who’s drafting, it’s so stupid.
Paul Reed of DePaul  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 11:02 pm : link
Also seems like someone Thibs could work with
Charlotte takes Carey.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 11:04 pm : link
We’re on the clock.
There goes Cary.  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:04 pm : link
I'd take Maledon.
Anak...  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/18/2020 11:05 pm : link
They passed on Hampton...
RE: Anak...  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15050989 Mike in St. Louis said:
Quote:
They passed on Hampton...


Well, they traded down from 23 to 25 and Hampton went 24, so yeah, techncally, but he only had to go down one spot to reach us!
Sixers trading richardson to dallas  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:07 pm : link
..
Knicks take Oturu  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 11:07 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
28s
The Knicks are targeting Daniel Oturu at No. 33, source tells ESPN.
Oturu  
adamg : 11/18/2020 11:07 pm : link
Center baby. Let's go
RE: Knicks take Oturu  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15050994 KevinBBWC said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
28s
The Knicks are targeting Daniel Oturu at No. 33, source tells ESPN.


Not bad. A C. I know Bilas likes him a lot
So when does the Westbrook trade get finalized?  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:08 pm : link
..
Getting this guy here is crazy  
ghost718 : 11/18/2020 11:08 pm : link
Looked like a much higher pick

But what do I know
traded to clippers  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:09 pm : link
2023 2nd coming back
Mavs trade Seth Curry  
adamg : 11/18/2020 11:09 pm : link
For Josh Richardson and 36
RE: traded to clippers  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15051000 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
2023 2nd coming back

Good.
Seth Curry to Philly  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:10 pm : link
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I feel the Knicks are truly happy with their draft  
George from PA : 11/18/2020 11:11 pm : link
All the picks seem like the players they had targeted.

Terry will be a Seth Curry clone.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 11:11 pm : link
Pretty nice work by the Mavs.
I don't  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:11 pm : link
hate the trading of the pick but we couldn't do more than just a 2nd in a later year? This is literally the 3rd pick of the 2nd round.
.  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:11 pm : link
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman

At 33, Knicks take Minnesota big man Daniel Oturu. He's a nice player who improved his outside shooting as season wore on. Would've taken Vernon Carey Jr. if he fell 1 more slot.
Dude looks athletic for a big  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 11:11 pm : link
A big man who knows how to score a face up is complementary to Mitch.

Hey - they Knicks didn’t do the things that I really hoped they wouldn’t do tonight. I’ll fucking take it.
RE: traded to clippers  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15051000 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
2023 2nd coming back

Oturu?
Would have taken Carey  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 11:12 pm : link
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
·
1m
At 33, Knicks take Minnesota big man Daniel Oturu. He's a nice player who improved his outside shooting as season wore on. Would've taken Vernon Carey Jr. if he fell 1 more slot.
This Minnesota center  
Beezer : 11/18/2020 11:12 pm : link
Traded!
RE: traded to clippers  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15051000 nygiants16 said:
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2023 2nd coming back


WTF? Why? Trading a high second round pick for a likely lower second round in 2023?
Where are you hearing that ny16?  
adamg : 11/18/2020 11:13 pm : link
Not seeing it
Oturu traded to Clippers  
Beezer : 11/18/2020 11:14 pm : link
For a 2nd rounder in 2023
Yeah this is the part where I get confused  
bigbluehoya : 11/18/2020 11:14 pm : link
How do you get just the 2nd rounder one year later from a really good team?
It will be the Pistons pick  
KevinBBWC : 11/18/2020 11:14 pm : link
Brian Windhorst
@WindhorstESPN
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2m
Detroit's 2023 second rounder will be sent to Knicks via Clippers in this deal
RE: RE: traded to clippers  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15051012 Anakim said:
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In comment 15051000 nygiants16 said:


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2023 2nd coming back



WTF? Why? Trading a high second round pick for a likely lower second round in 2023?

It's for the Pistons 2nd round pick so it should be low but still makes no sense.
There was a lot of quality left on the board
Gotta be something else to it, right?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/18/2020 11:15 pm : link
?
RE: Where are you hearing that ny16?  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15051013 adamg said:
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Not seeing it


windhorst
there's gotta  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 11:15 pm : link
be more to it than us trading #33 for a future #2. That makes zero sense.
RE: RE: RE: traded to clippers  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15051017 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15051012 Anakim said:


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In comment 15051000 nygiants16 said:


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2023 2nd coming back



WTF? Why? Trading a high second round pick for a likely lower second round in 2023?


It's for the Pistons 2nd round pick so it should be low


Who's to say? it's 3 years away!
Oh I see  
adamg : 11/18/2020 11:16 pm : link
That's fucking lame
Gotta admit it's next level shit trading 2 lower picks for 2 higher  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/18/2020 11:17 pm : link
ones, but this makes no sense.
No G league  
adamg : 11/18/2020 11:17 pm : link
Maybe they don't want too many young prospects?

Weird move.
RE: No G league  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15051024 adamg said:
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Maybe they don't want too many young prospects?

Weird move.


They need to round out the roster and even so, the best they could do for a high second round pick is a very distant second rounder?
Knicks couldn't end the night without  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 11:19 pm : link
Doing something stupid.
So all the trading you ended up moving up 2 spots in the first and for 38 and a 2nd 2 years from now.
Woj or Shams havnt tweeted anything  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:19 pm : link
So maybe Windhorst is wrong, but who knows
Trade doesn't make sense  
ghost718 : 11/18/2020 11:20 pm : link
Windhorst/Liverwurst might be full of it
just for comparison...  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 11:21 pm : link
when we traded for the #35 pick that became Wily, we traded two future first rounders.
I'm pretty  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2020 11:21 pm : link
on board with paying FVV at this point. Massive hole on the roster. Could be a half decent team with him and Toppin added.
I’m not gonna sweat that second rounder too much.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 11:22 pm : link
Hope we don’t regret passing on Hampton, otherwise I’m fine with tonight’s haul. Hopefully we see that Kentucky bump from Quickley.
Hell, purchase a second round pick and take Nico Mannion  
Anakim : 11/18/2020 11:23 pm : link
Why not?
John schmeelk  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 11:24 pm : link
LAC owned the Pistons 2023 2nd - this now makes more sense. As I've pointed out a bunch the Knicks had seven picks this year and next. Cant roster everyone. They needed to consolidate somehow. One way is to move picks for future ones. Pick likely to be in front end of 2nd round

Not sure I agree.
You gotta think either Russ or FVV are gonna be a Knick soon  
Stu11 : 11/18/2020 11:26 pm : link
Interesting with Toronto taking Flynn and Lowry with still some gas left in the tank it gives them the out to not max out FVV
RE: John schmeelk  
Enzo : 11/18/2020 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15051034 larryflower37 said:
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LAC owned the Pistons 2023 2nd - this now makes more sense. As I've pointed out a bunch the Knicks had seven picks this year and next. Cant roster everyone. They needed to consolidate somehow. One way is to move picks for future ones. Pick likely to be in front end of 2nd round

Not sure I agree.

schmeelk doesn't know what he's talking about. This is not a smart move.
RE: John schmeelk  
Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15051034 larryflower37 said:
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LAC owned the Pistons 2023 2nd - this now makes more sense. As I've pointed out a bunch the Knicks had seven picks this year and next. Cant roster everyone. They needed to consolidate somehow. One way is to move picks for future ones. Pick likely to be in front end of 2nd round

Not sure I agree.


Or draft and stash a foreigner you like the upside of
Knicks need a splash in FA  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 11:27 pm : link
Need VanVleet.
My fear is they are building around acquiring Westbrook
I keep forgetting free agency  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:27 pm : link
is basically a day away
If they intended on giving away the 2nd rounder  
Shecky : 11/18/2020 11:29 pm : link
What was the benefit of moving back from 23 to 25?.?
Pretty happy with the players we ended up with.  
guitarguybs12 : 11/18/2020 11:30 pm : link
Doesn't change the fact that that's still horrible draft capital management.
RE: If they intended on giving away the 2nd rounder  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2020 11:31 pm : link
In comment 15051040 Shecky said:
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What was the benefit of moving back from 23 to 25?.?


My friend said it best. He said we went from Belichick to O'Brien in a matter of minutes.
RE: RE: If they intended on giving away the 2nd rounder  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2020 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15051042 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15051040 Shecky said:


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What was the benefit of moving back from 23 to 25?.?



My friend said it best. He said we went from Belichick to O'Brien in a matter of minutes.


This is dead on ..
Trading the 2nd  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:39 pm : link
could be about saving some money on the cap, adding a later 2nd round pick can be a throw in on a trade..
Yeah, the more I think about it  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2020 11:40 pm : link
it does seem like a waste. An NBA draft pick in the low 30s is a free shot at great value. Odd that a team with an empty cupboard would pass.
It’s a second round pick. Teams sell them for cash  
Mike in NJ : 11/18/2020 11:41 pm : link
Kicking the can down the road to have a future asset isn’t that big of a deal.
RE: Yeah, the more I think about it  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2020 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15051046 bceagle05 said:
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it does seem like a waste. An NBA draft pick in the low 30s is a free shot at great value. Odd that a team with an empty cupboard would pass.


Unless they figure having the 23 2nd,which may be the double draft is a better asset
It’s being reported  
Oscar : 11/18/2020 11:43 pm : link
That they targeted the Duke kid picked at 32. When he was taken they bailed on the pick. Detroit’s second rounder will be in the same neighborhood next year, not the end of the world if they didn’t like anyone.
Last time I checked  
ghost718 : 11/18/2020 11:44 pm : link
Leon Rose still works for us,he didn't switch over to Lebron or Windhorst in the past hour

Seems like they could be having some fun here
Not sure I want t commit max money to FVV  
GMEN46 : 11/18/2020 11:52 pm : link
Ans I have no interest in Westbrook. What about Randle, Payton and the 2023 second rd pick for Mike Conley expiring in utah. Gives Knicks a vet pg for a year and then figure out PG nex year?
If they wanted the Duke kid  
Carl in CT : 11/18/2020 11:53 pm : link
They should have picked him first. There were tons of PGs left and one would have been there.
What is everyone talking about bailing on 33?  
George from PA : 11/19/2020 12:13 am : link
The Knicks drafted the center...a decent pick.

What am I missing?

The NBA is having trouble posting the trades....so they still have 33 with original pick
RE: What is everyone talking about bailing on 33?  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 12:18 am : link
In comment 15051058 George from PA said:
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The Knicks drafted the center...a decent pick.

What am I missing?

The NBA is having trouble posting the trades....so they still have 33 with original pick

They traded the center to LAC for a 2023 2nd rd pick (Pistons pick LAC owned)
nygiants16....  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/19/2020 12:39 am : link
what is a "double draft?"...
RE: nygiants16....  
Jim in Fairfax : 11/19/2020 1:19 am : link
In comment 15051064 Mike in St. Louis said:
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what is a "double draft?"...

The minimum age for the NBA draft is being reduced from 19 to 18 in 2022. Thus, you’ll have the last crop of “one and done” players in the draft that year AND the newly eligible top high school players who otherwise would have been in the 2023 draft.
But if 2022 is in fact the double draft  
shyster : 11/19/2020 1:30 am : link
then the Knicks traded into the following draft in 2023, which, as it looks now, would be the weak one.

Unless I'm missing something.
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Double draft might be in 2023  
Vanzetti : 11/19/2020 2:26 am : link
in which case it could be a hell of a move

Knicks also likely have Dallas' first rounder in 2023


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I like this quote of Toppin -  
Ira : 11/19/2020 3:59 am : link
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“I learned a lot about Coach through this pandemic,’’ Toppin said of Thibodeau. “I understand he’s a defensive coach, and that’s one of my biggest things I need to work on. He’s going to make sure that I lock in and make sure that I become great one day. I feel like if I get that defensive scheme down, I’m going to be a really good player one day, a really great player one day.’’
@Gil_Brandt  
Ira : 11/19/2020 4:24 am : link
Two years from now we'll all be asking how Obi Toppin dropped all the way to the Knicks at 8.
RE: Double draft might be in 2023  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 6:58 am : link
In comment 15051073 Vanzetti said:
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in which case it could be a hell of a move

Knicks also likely have Dallas' first rounder in 2023
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From what I read the NBA isn't changing that rule at all. There is a discrepancy with medicals that the players will not give up. Maybe this gets resolved but as of now it sounds like a stalemate.
RE: @Gil_Brandt  
Eli Wilson : 11/19/2020 7:23 am : link
In comment 15051083 Ira said:
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Two years from now we'll all be asking how Obi Toppin dropped all the way to the Knicks at 8.


Tim Legler just said the same thing on Sports Center.
look the worst thing the Knicks did...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 7:45 am : link
was trade an early second for a future (hopefully) early second. Did i think there were players on the board worth taking, sure, but if they didnt then i guess it makes some sense. Would have liked it to be 2 future seconds though, lol.

Curious to see what we do next. Can they somehow move randle? Do we go FVV or find a cheaper starting vet pg somewhere. Do we make any big signings at all. Outside of FVV i dont really see anyone worth big money. Wood makes zero sense now. Id still like to see them make a run at Hayward.
If Obi Toppin was the best college B-ball player  
M.S. : 11/19/2020 7:50 am : link

Why did he drop to #8?

Or, the premise is wrong, and he was not the "best?"

And/or, it wasn't really a drop to get Obi Toppin at #8?

Any thoughts much appreciated!
Clearly the Knicks thought the future pick was better than  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 7:52 am : link
what was on the board. I can't really fault them for that.
RE: If Obi Toppin was the best college B-ball player  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 7:54 am : link
In comment 15051121 M.S. said:
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Why did he drop to #8?

Or, the premise is wrong, and he was not the "best?"

And/or, it wasn't really a drop to get Obi Toppin at #8?

Any thoughts much appreciated!


1. he is 22, NBA gms are obsessed with upside..

2. His Defense is suspect, but if he just becomes an average defender hr is an all star and if his defense was better he would of been a consensus 1st overall pick..

RE: Clearly the Knicks thought the future pick was better than  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 7:54 am : link
In comment 15051122 Heisenberg said:
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what was on the board. I can't really fault them for that.


Most likely cap related
The market for FVV now is basically Knicks and Raptors  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 8:08 am : link
I still kinda think the Raptors will pay him. And Lamelo going to CHA would indicate no Russ for them.

So, if the Knicks want to pay FVV and the Raps don't they should get him.

If the Knicks want Russ, they can wait and see if HOU is gonna ditch him at a discount.

What's not clear to me is what they do if neither of them work out. What PG can we get? Maybe Conley?
after taking a guy like Toppin...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 8:16 am : link
Russ makes even less sense. You want to allow RJ and Toppin to develop there offensive games. Getting a guy who will dominate the ball 90% of the time does not help them do that. Its the same reason i dont want a black hole like Randle on the team (on top of not wanting him to take minutes).

Has anyone taken the time to try to find an offensive starved team with a similarly ehh contract like Randles who might want to swap a guy.
RE: The market for FVV now is basically Knicks and Raptors  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 8:18 am : link
In comment 15051133 Heisenberg said:
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I still kinda think the Raptors will pay him. And Lamelo going to CHA would indicate no Russ for them.

So, if the Knicks want to pay FVV and the Raps don't they should get him.

If the Knicks want Russ, they can wait and see if HOU is gonna ditch him at a discount.

What's not clear to me is what they do if neither of them work out. What PG can we get? Maybe Conley?


I want nothing to do with Westbrook. There is just so much not to like about that fit from the insane contract to not making others around him better. If we want a one man show and want to put asses in the seats then go for it. But if you want this team to develop, buy into defense, and maintain cap flexibility then Westbrook makes no sense. It is way too shortsighted.
I wanted Russ  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 8:27 am : link
But now let RJ and Toppin cook, FVV would be the perfect point guard for this team..

Will be interesting today who of the team option guys they keep, If Payton is gone you habe to thibk the Knicks think they have a shot..
RE: RE: The market for FVV now is basically Knicks and Raptors  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 8:34 am : link
In comment 15051143 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15051133 Heisenberg said:


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I still kinda think the Raptors will pay him. And Lamelo going to CHA would indicate no Russ for them.

So, if the Knicks want to pay FVV and the Raps don't they should get him.

If the Knicks want Russ, they can wait and see if HOU is gonna ditch him at a discount.

What's not clear to me is what they do if neither of them work out. What PG can we get? Maybe Conley?



I want nothing to do with Westbrook. There is just so much not to like about that fit from the insane contract to not making others around him better. If we want a one man show and want to put asses in the seats then go for it. But if you want this team to develop, buy into defense, and maintain cap flexibility then Westbrook makes no sense. It is way too shortsighted.


I don't agree with Westbrook not making others better. He's no Chris Paul in that way, but he led the league in assists and averaged 10+ assists for his last 4 years in OKC. He's still a great player. The contract is terrible, for sure. I'd prefer FVV, if he wants to leave TOR, but if HOU is giving Westbrook away at a discount, I'd definitely entertain bringing him here.
FVV does fit really well...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 8:34 am : link
If you could add him, a SG who can shoot, and ship out Randle ill be pretty happy. Roll with:

FVV
SG who can shoot
RJ
Toppin
Mitch

Then hope some of the youth makes strides off the bench. Frank, Knox, Quickley, Ignas
Good read on Toppin  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 8:48 am : link
was apparently 6'4" and 170 lbs when he graduated HS. Kind of explains him being a bit of a late bloomer.
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RE: FVV does fit really well...  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 8:51 am : link
In comment 15051154 Italianju said:
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If you could add him, a SG who can shoot, and ship out Randle ill be pretty happy. Roll with:

FVV
SG who can shoot
RJ
Toppin
Mitch

Then hope some of the youth makes strides off the bench. Frank, Knox, Quickley, Ignas

regarding guard, I'd like them to try and keep Dotson if they can get him on a reasonable deal. Him and Ellington would be decent stopgaps.
Macri claims  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 8:54 am : link
that the knicks were prepared to deal 23 and 2021 Dallas 1st rounder to Boston to take Kira last night. If they had been able to pull that off, would have been an A+ draft.
Bullock back according to Berman  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 8:55 am : link
Another player wjo is a free agent who might not be a bad pick up, KCP
my two targets for Knicks  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 8:57 am : link
were Haliburton or Toppin. Happy they got 1 of them. Also think Quickley will be a good NBA player. Dude is legit.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 8:59 am : link
Van Vleet makes so much sense for this team. I'll be pretty mad if they don't throw a big contract at him.
- 26 years old
- winning championship player. Never been on a losing team.
- Can play the point or off the ball seamlessly.
- elite 3pt shooter.
- excellent on ball and team defender.

What is the risk of offering him a big deal? They only competition they seem to have is Toronto and maybe Detroit. Make him take less from Toronto or make Toronto match a big deal.

If you want to compare him to Russ- the problems are fit, contract, age, and defense. You can probably get FVV at 15-25 million less a year and not have to give up a single asset for him.
RE: Knicks  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 9:24 am : link
In comment 15051171 TyreeHelmet said:
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Van Vleet makes so much sense for this team. I'll be pretty mad if they don't throw a big contract at him.
- 26 years old
- winning championship player. Never been on a losing team.
- Can play the point or off the ball seamlessly.
- elite 3pt shooter.
- excellent on ball and team defender.

What is the risk of offering him a big deal? They only competition they seem to have is Toronto and maybe Detroit. Make him take less from Toronto or make Toronto match a big deal.

If you want to compare him to Russ- the problems are fit, contract, age, and defense. You can probably get FVV at 15-25 million less a year and not have to give up a single asset for him.


VanVleet can be had if the Knicks go all out for him.
Raptors won't go max.
Moving Randle will be harder.
Funny the NBA picked...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 9:27 am : link
6pm as the start time for FA? Why not do noon? They trying to make it a prime time event?
Van Vleet  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 9:29 am : link
for 0 assets is a significantly better option than Russ for Assets. Age, playmaking, injury history, defense, all in favor of Van Vleet.
Bullock  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 9:32 am : link
I don’t know much about him, but he doesn’t seem to be that good. Why are they keeping him? Yes depth but how much would they save had they cut him? Also don’t think Thibs is the type of coach who would be happy if they didn’t do something for a huge improvement this season.
RE: Van Vleet  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 9:37 am : link
In comment 15051185 Jon in NYC said:
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for 0 assets is a significantly better option than Russ for Assets. Age, playmaking, injury history, defense, all in favor of Van Vleet.


I agree. I just wonder if the Raptors decide to pay him and keep him to play along Siakam when Lowry is gone. This is the last year of Lowry's contract. I guess it's possible that they don't pay him. But if the money is equal, you'd have to think he stays in TOR.
RE: Bullock  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 9:38 am : link
In comment 15051186 UGADawgs7 said:
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I don’t know much about him, but he doesn’t seem to be that good. Why are they keeping him? Yes depth but how much would they save had they cut him? Also don’t think Thibs is the type of coach who would be happy if they didn’t do something for a huge improvement this season.


He's a solid nba player on a pretty good deal at 4 M. Would have been 1M if they cut him. So, keeping him as an expiring for 3M more is a no brainer, IMO
Did we get Leon back yet  
ghost718 : 11/19/2020 9:45 am : link
Or is he still with the Clippers?

I knew hiring an agent would put the Knicks in better standing with the rest of the league.What a wonderful plan Jimmy.Phil would never do this
Bullock is nothing special  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2020 9:49 am : link
But he can shoot, and the Knicks need as many shooters as they can get.
Bullock  
JJ2525 : 11/19/2020 9:57 am : link
He's a legit shooter for $4m. You definitely keep that. As long as he's healthy he could easily net you an asset from a team looking for shooting at the deadline.
RE: RE: If Obi Toppin was the best college B-ball player  
hitdog42 : 11/19/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 15051124 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15051121 M.S. said:


Quote:



Why did he drop to #8?

Or, the premise is wrong, and he was not the "best?"

And/or, it wasn't really a drop to get Obi Toppin at #8?

Any thoughts much appreciated!



1. he is 22, NBA gms are obsessed with upside..

2. His Defense is suspect, but if he just becomes an average defender hr is an all star and if his defense was better he would of been a consensus 1st overall pick..


exactly this. GMs like him, but top of draft their is an obsession with age and upside, and his defense a known ?. so like for the cavs, who have no defense and are lacking toughness- the preference was the young player with upside then the higher floor guy (who btw still has a lot of upside so i find it a bit silly)
The Knicks can't wait another  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 10:12 am : link
5 years to be good. Who the hell cares if Toppin is 22. Tired of waiting for 18 and 19 year olds to amount to nothing (like Frank).
I am glad Knicks didn't trade up for Toppin  
Mike in NY : 11/19/2020 10:18 am : link
The Defense is definitely a concern, but he is also saying the right things about wanting to put in the effort to improve in that area. I also appreciate that the Knicks are not just looking at who is the best now and trying to project what a player may become.
I understand that from a fan perspective  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 10:21 am : link
But realistically they have nothing but time. They're starting from nothing and don't even have a foundation. They're not just going to be a winner in 3 years.

The Giants had to rebuild their whole program. So do the Knicks.
Knicks are in a much different position  
JB_in_DC : 11/19/2020 10:23 am : link
then some of the other lottery teams. They are capable of attracting big time stars and extending them, but no one is coming if there aren't pieces around them. I think its a sound strategy to go for high floor, faster developing draft picks rather than more likely to fail projects for this reason. Knicks need to get themselves to where the Nets were in 2019 - competitive team with some pieces, and the financial flexibility to take on potential stars.

Teams like the TWolves and Cavs need to build from within - no one is coming to rescue them. Obviously no one has come to rescue the Knicks in the past decade we've been caught in this cycle since The Decision, but there's always been better options for wayward stars.
RE: The Knicks can't wait another  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 15051208 ryanmkeane said:
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5 years to be good. Who the hell cares if Toppin is 22. Tired of waiting for 18 and 19 year olds to amount to nothing (like Frank).

Yeah, there was a noticeable shift in philosophy. Toppin can start and contribute day one, and Quickley can come off the bench and contribute day one. No projects or draft-and-stashes, just two guys who can play.

I hated the idea of trading up for Toppin, but he was a no-brainer pick at eight.
Obi  
31southst : 11/19/2020 10:24 am : link
Big difference IMO between trading up to get him and taking him at 8. Reality is ever year and particularly this year, you are not getting a perfect prospect at 8. Toppin seems likely to contribute and have value even if he isn't someone who is perfect.
On Toppin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 10:26 am : link
I keep seeing people complain about his age. He's 22 damn years old. He's still a child. His NBA prime is 25-28.
per ESPN's 'depth chart' for the Knicks -  
Del Shofner : 11/19/2020 10:27 am : link
Elfrid Payton is our starting PG-

there's a name I had forgotten, lol.

It's a pretty raggedy 'depth chart.'
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RE: Did we get Leon back yet  
NYG22 : 11/19/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 15051197 ghost718 said:
Quote:
Or is he still with the Clippers?

I knew hiring an agent would put the Knicks in better standing with the rest of the league.What a wonderful plan Jimmy.Phil would never do this


I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
Toppin  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 10:31 am : link
Toppin was the right pick, although the Israeli kid was interesting. I never got the sense the Knicks were interested in Killian Hayes or Tyrese Halliburton. I don't think they really scouted the Israeli kid as he was supposed to go higher and everybody in NY would have thought he was going to be Luca, when he is more Darko Saric.

I am interested to see Toppin and I actually think he will be a candidate for rookie of the year, because of his offense and playing time. They just need to unload Julius Randle and fast.

I'm intrigued by the Kentucky kid, because if you think about the guards that they have recently produced such as hero and Murray, there is a chance this kid could be something and we need shooting. Cal was raving about this guy more than Maxey.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 10:32 am : link
Please get rid of Payton, Portis and Randle. Sign Van Vleet and another guard and it will be a good offseason.
if FVV doesn't  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 10:34 am : link
want to come....I think you just gotta go with Payton and Frank again at PG. They're probably the worst PG rotation in the league, but I'd rather just be patient and wait for a real solution as opposed to something crazy like Russ. Maybe you get a team looking to dump a vet's salary (Conley?) for a pick. Besides that,
PG  
31southst : 11/19/2020 10:36 am : link
Ignoring Westbrook (like I hope we do), I feel like our starting PG will either be FVV or DJ Augustine. The latter is a fine stopgap for me - can organize an offense, solid 3 pt shooter, and experience with Thibs.
TTH  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 10:38 am : link
somewhat agree, but the problem is that they've taken 2 players in the top 10 since 2017 that haven't worked out. I don't want to call his career but Knox doesn't look like he's going to pan out. The Frank pick speaks for itself.

Barrett was a nice restart in taking the right player. I think Toppin was another wise choice. They hired a defensive minded coach who hopefully can get them to start looking functional defensively.

If they sign a guy like FVV, they aren't that far away from being a playoff team. You get Randle off the books in 2021, sign another good FA and now we're talking.
I hate  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 10:41 am : link
to say it but I think the draft increased the likelihood of trading for Russ. Player that excels on the fast break in Toppin and a guard who supplements Russ's skillset almost perfectly in Quickley.
The Pelicans have 5  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 10:41 am : link
point guards on their roster. Ball, Bledsoe, Hill, Alexander-Walker and now Kira Lewis. Could be a good trade partner if the Knicks decide to go the trade route for a pg.
I envision  
NYG22 : 11/19/2020 10:43 am : link
one of 3 things happening in the next 2-3 days (merely guessing as we all are):

1 FVV via FA for 4*25mm

2 Westbrook + Tucker for Randle and at least one of the Dallas picks (note: I hate the idea of RW coming)

3 Draft compensation + one of our crappy young assets (Frank or preferably, DSJ) for Lonzo Ball or Eric Bledsoe

I would be excited for (1), bracing myself for (2) and though I continue to have shooting concerns, would be okay with (3) if Ball.

We will know how agressive the Knicks plan to be by 3pm today  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 10:53 am : link
If they let go of all of their non guaranteed players, besides bullock, you know they are going to be agressive
I wonder if there's an option 4 and maybe the Knicks could get  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 10:53 am : link
Mike Conley?
RE: We will know how agressive the Knicks plan to be by 3pm today  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 15051246 nygiants16 said:
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If they let go of all of their non guaranteed players, besides bullock, you know they are going to be agressive

I think Taj, Payton, and Ellington might be kept to actually be on the team this season. If they keep Portis...it's gotta be because they have a larger trade in mind.
I could definitely see  
RomanWH : 11/19/2020 11:00 am : link
both Taj and Payton staying. Thibs will want some vet experience and guys who can play defense to start the season as he eases in the younger guys to his program.
RE: RE: We will know how agressive the Knicks plan to be by 3pm today  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 15051249 Enzo said:
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In comment 15051246 nygiants16 said:


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If they let go of all of their non guaranteed players, besides bullock, you know they are going to be agressive


I think Taj, Payton, and Ellington might be kept to actually be on the team this season. If they keep Portis...it's gotta be because they have a larger trade in mind.


I could see them letting taj go and then resign him to a smaller contract
RE: I wonder if there's an option 4 and maybe the Knicks could get  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 15051247 Heisenberg said:
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Mike Conley?

Randle for Conley and a pick?
RE: Toppin  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/19/2020 11:09 am : link
In comment 15051223 Pete44 said:
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Toppin was the right pick, although the Israeli kid was interesting. I never got the sense the Knicks were interested in Killian Hayes or Tyrese Halliburton. I don't think they really scouted the Israeli kid as he was supposed to go higher and everybody in NY would have thought he was going to be Luca, when he is more Darko Saric.

I am interested to see Toppin and I actually think he will be a candidate for rookie of the year, because of his offense and playing time. They just need to unload Julius Randle and fast.

I'm intrigued by the Kentucky kid, because if you think about the guards that they have recently produced such as hero and Murray, there is a chance this kid could be something and we need shooting. Cal was raving about this guy more than Maxey.


I liked the Toppin pick, but really was hoping for Halliburton at that spot. But once Cleveland passed on Toppin, knew there was no way Knicks were passing up Toppin. Don't know much about Quickley, but was hoping Knicks stayed at 23 and took either Hampton or Desmond Bane. Still don't understand trading away that second round pick, when a guy like Nico Mannion was still on the board. We'll see how it all works out
RE: I wonder if there's an option 4 and maybe the Knicks could get  
NYG22 : 11/19/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 15051247 Heisenberg said:
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Mike Conley?


That's a good thought.

I'd do Randle + Ntilikina and/or DSJ for Conley + O'Neal. We have the cap room to absorb the extra $.

Did I just greedy with O'Neal? Probably.
Peyton and Bullock will stay  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 11:19 am : link
Knicks need to be really be active over the next couple weeks to build a roster.
They have to move Randle and either DSJ or Frank.
Add a solid vet PG to help to develop RJ,Robinson,and Toppin.
Quickley is more of a 2 in the NBA and they need shooters and that's what he is.
I like the draft but FA is going to make the difference
RE: Peyton and Bullock will stay  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 15051269 larryflower37 said:
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Knicks need to be really be active over the next couple weeks to build a roster.
They have to move Randle and either DSJ or Frank.
Add a solid vet PG to help to develop RJ,Robinson,and Toppin.
Quickley is more of a 2 in the NBA and they need shooters and that's what he is.
I like the draft but FA is going to make the difference

Sorry meant Ellington
RE: Peyton and Bullock will stay  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 15051269 larryflower37 said:
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Knicks need to be really be active over the next couple weeks to build a roster.
They have to move Randle and either DSJ or Frank.
Add a solid vet PG to help to develop RJ,Robinson,and Toppin.
Quickley is more of a 2 in the NBA and they need shooters and that's what he is.
I like the draft but FA is going to make the difference

Sorry meant Ellington
Given the reports on wall looking very good  
GMEN46 : 11/19/2020 11:26 am : link
Would you take the wall risk to get Beal?

Wall and Beal for Randle, porter, Payton taj, smith jr, Barrett, both Dallas picks and Knicks 1st rounder?

Wall, Frank
Beal, quickley, Dotson, Bullock
TBD, iggy
Toppin, Knox
Mitch, Wooten

After looking at this I wouldn’t do it, but curious to know what others think
Payton  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 11:27 am : link
I would be very upset if they kept Payton, there was definitely a lot of buzz last season that he and Randle tried to freeze out RJ. I think that eased up later in the season, but they need to let him go.

I am in the minority here as I don't want Van Vleet, I just feel he is a bit of a product of the Raptors system and he is also injury prone. I think he is good where he is. Also, he is not a true penetrating PG.

I agree with a poster that the draft and some other things that went on last night increase the chances of Russ coming here. Again, I hate that idea.

The Pelicans are really getting on my nerves, drafting Kira was so indulgent on their part with 4 other PGs on their roster. I think sometimes Griffin just gets ahead of himself thinking he is the smartest guy in the world and the joy of screwing up other teams. I wish the Knicks would thrown an insane offer sheet at Brandon Ingram.

I believe the starting PG for the Knicks next season will be DJ Augustine or Jeff Teague.

The wiz are not giving up Beal...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 11:30 am : link
to trade Wall. Not sure how that become a rumor awhile back. Makes no sense at all for WAS.
Long video, but worth a watch  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 11:33 am : link
Mike Schmitz from ESPN does this series and has good film walkthroughs showing highs and lows of prospects with the prospect. Here's the video of Toppin, I've watched it before and it's a good one. Smart and likable kid.

Link - ( New Window )
well to be fair...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 11:35 am : link
i see you included RJ and 3 firsts so that makes it a bit more of a deal. But again the Wiz dont really seem interested in trading Beal, the media seems interested in the Wiz trading Beal
RE: Given the reports on wall looking very good  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 11:38 am : link
In comment 15051275 GMEN46 said:
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Would you take the wall risk to get Beal?

Wall and Beal for Randle, porter, Payton taj, smith jr, Barrett, both Dallas picks and Knicks 1st rounder?

Wall, Frank
Beal, quickley, Dotson, Bullock
TBD, iggy
Toppin, Knox
Mitch, Wooten

After looking at this I wouldn’t do it, but curious to know what others think


I definitely would.
There is a rumor  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 11:55 am : link
That Kings do not think Fox will want to be there long term..
That’s a guy to  
Carl in CT : 11/19/2020 11:57 am : link
Push the ball.
Knowing the Pels situation  
RomanWH : 11/19/2020 12:00 pm : link
we should explore the possibility of buying low on the other Ball brother. Change of scenery after being dealt from the Lakers could motivate him. There's untapped potential w/ Lonzo.
RE: Long video, but worth a watch  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15051285 Heisenberg said:
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Mike Schmitz from ESPN does this series and has good film walkthroughs showing highs and lows of prospects with the prospect. Here's the video of Toppin, I've watched it before and it's a good one. Smart and likable kid. Link - ( New Window )


That was really annoying. Schmitz doesn't shut up. He just talks and talks and talks and then is like, "Is that right?" Yes, Obi got to discuss some stuff but it was like a lawyer leading the witness. Obi came across very well. I appreciate the video though.
RE: There is a rumor  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 15051316 nygiants16 said:
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That Kings do not think Fox will want to be there long term..


Perry loves Fox, but doubt we have the bullets to get him without giving up RJ.
RE: RE: There is a rumor  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15051331 Pete44 said:
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Perry loves Fox, but doubt we have the bullets to get him without giving up RJ.

Also no incentive for Sacramento to trade him. If they put the max extension in front of him he's not going to bypass it and sign a QO.
RE: RE: Long video, but worth a watch  
Stu11 : 11/19/2020 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15051327 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15051285 Heisenberg said:


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Mike Schmitz from ESPN does this series and has good film walkthroughs showing highs and lows of prospects with the prospect. Here's the video of Toppin, I've watched it before and it's a good one. Smart and likable kid. Link - ( New Window )



That was really annoying. Schmitz doesn't shut up. He just talks and talks and talks and then is like, "Is that right?" Yes, Obi got to discuss some stuff but it was like a lawyer leading the witness. Obi came across very well. I appreciate the video though.

ESPN rolled him out there as the younger hip basketball version of Mel Kiper jr. wasn't that impressed with Schmitz at all last night. If you look at his late mocks, he was way off. The ESPN coverage last night sucked peiod and I'm not usually a comlainer of draft coverage. Way too little reporters like Woj and Wind and way too much Bilas and Jay Williams and their power conference love.
Knicks are signing Myles Powell  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 12:15 pm : link
. Guessing it's a 2-way deal.
Isn't Beal  
bigbluehoya : 11/19/2020 12:19 pm : link
on a player option after the upcoming season?

I can't take 3 / $130M of Wall for that.

I'm all about using some cap to obtain assets but doing favors that will haunt 3 years out is too much.
RE: Knicks are signing Myles Powell  
Del Shofner : 11/19/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15051340 Strahan91 said:
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. Guessing it's a 2-way deal.


Do you mean with the G League? Is there even going to be a G League season?
RE: RE: Knicks are signing Myles Powell  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15051345 Del Shofner said:
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. Guessing it's a 2-way deal.



Do you mean with the G League? Is there even going to be a G League season?


They changed the rules for this year they can basically stay with nba team for the entire seaaon..

can only be active for 50 games i believe but no day limit
RE: RE: RE: Long video, but worth a watch  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15051337 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15051285 Heisenberg said:


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Mike Schmitz from ESPN does this series and has good film walkthroughs showing highs and lows of prospects with the prospect. Here's the video of Toppin, I've watched it before and it's a good one. Smart and likable kid. Link - ( New Window )



That was really annoying. Schmitz doesn't shut up. He just talks and talks and talks and then is like, "Is that right?" Yes, Obi got to discuss some stuff but it was like a lawyer leading the witness. Obi came across very well. I appreciate the video though.


ESPN rolled him out there as the younger hip basketball version of Mel Kiper jr. wasn't that impressed with Schmitz at all last night. If you look at his late mocks, he was way off. The ESPN coverage last night sucked peiod and I'm not usually a comlainer of draft coverage. Way too little reporters like Woj and Wind and way too much Bilas and Jay Williams and their power conference love.


I agree, thought ESPN coverage was terrible. They all seemed to ignore the fact that Tyrese Haliburton is not a true PG, because he was a good kid. Also, they did a terrible job with the trades, they need a solution for that so we all know who is picking. Woj was also really off his game, he seemed confused.
Yeah I paid no attention to ESPN.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 12:32 pm : link
I was following on Twitter and watching KnicksFan TV on YouTube.
my issue with the ESPN coverage...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 12:40 pm : link
was there was like no analysis. Everything felt rushed and they had to interview every pick so he could say the same thing, then give us some touching story and then 30 seconds analysis. Rinse repeat
the espn draft coverage  
GGGGmen : 11/19/2020 12:48 pm : link
was awful. They don't debate picks anymore, there's no nuanced basketball discussion they basically turned all the interviews into GMA. Let's ask him about some terrible thing that happened in his life and get the audience to cry.

that's not what NBA fans want to see. I want to see bilas and someone arguing about the player fit on the team he was picked by. It was so boring.
Randle Trades  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 12:52 pm : link
1) OKC for Steven Adams- allows OKC to trim 8 million in 2021 salary.

2) Utah for Mike Conley- Allows Utah to trim 14 million. Who's playing point for them though?

3) Charlotte for Terry Rozier- rumored to be discussed at the deadline. With Lamelo Ball and Graham- this might make positional sense for them.

I would be all for any of these options. I just don't want to watch another year of Julius Randle.
To add to the ESPN garbage ...  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 12:54 pm : link
There was one point the host asked a legit question. Now, I personally hate predictions, rankings, etc. It is all bullshit opinions. I don't care for it. However, the question was asked which under the radar player has the upside of a super star? Ok, that is good. Morons like me who don't know these players can get a better understanding from the "experts".

All they did was bitch and moan about the question. We aren't madame cleo. Super star? There are only like 7 super stars in the NBA. If we knew that they would have went higher in the draft.

I mean what the fuck was that? Just name some fuckin players with high upside. Holy shit.
I doubt they'll want  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 12:59 pm : link
to tie up another 20 mil in salary for the 21-22 season with Rozier.

Conley could make sense
.  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:02 pm : link
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Newsday has learned Knicks are waiving Elfrid Payton and Kenny Wooten and not picking up option on Bobby Portis. Also, no qualifying offer for Damyean Dotson, who is an unrestricted FA now. More decisions to come...
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15051378 Strahan91 said:
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Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Newsday has learned Knicks are waiving Elfrid Payton and Kenny Wooten and not picking up option on Bobby Portis. Also, no qualifying offer for Damyean Dotson, who is an unrestricted FA now. More decisions to come...


That is a lot of open cap space
i would have rathered kept..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 1:04 pm : link
payton over Taj, but i guess THibs wanted Taj (or we think we are signing/trading for a PG).
We'll always have Bobby's random revenge game against Chicago  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 1:05 pm : link
when he morphed into Kevin Durant for two hours.
RE: i would have rathered kept..  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15051381 Italianju said:
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payton over Taj, but i guess THibs wanted Taj (or we think we are signing/trading for a PG).

They haven't decided to keep Taj yet. Just no word on what they're doing yet.
You have to assume  
GGGGmen : 11/19/2020 1:07 pm : link
they have big plans for point guard $$$ wise atleast.

Russ
FVV
Conley trade?

Not sure what else is out there but its a gaping hole on the roster and the money is available to be spent.
Liked  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 1:10 pm : link
Wooten. Strange
Gibson and Ellington waived now too  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:11 pm : link
.
Ellington  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 1:13 pm : link
Being waived as well apparently...
"Today I settle all family business." - Leon  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 1:13 pm : link
.
never made sense to have Ellington and Bullock...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 1:14 pm : link
and i think that Taj money could be better well spent
RE: Liked  
Mike in NY : 11/19/2020 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15051388 DanMetroMan said:
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Wooten. Strange


Yep I am a tad surprised considering that he didn't exactly make a tremendous amount of money relatively. Could just be an issue that they felt that they had enough PF's on the roster and they are giving Wooten the courtesy of getting on the market now versus after teams have started signing players.
so  
Steve in Greenwich : 11/19/2020 1:14 pm : link
they cleared out essentially everyone that had options aside from Bullock? Anyone know where that leaves them in cap room?
I could see Taj returning at a lower number  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 1:15 pm : link
especially with Wooten being shown the door.
RE: so  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15051395 Steve in Greenwich said:
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they cleared out essentially everyone that had options aside from Bullock? Anyone know where that leaves them in cap room?

About $40M. Could create another $2-3M or so if they stretched the cap hits from waiving the guys who had a little bit of money guaranteed.
Well I guess we are going to build a Tibs  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 1:18 pm : link
Team in FA and trades.
I think it's close to 60 million in cap space.
We can go in on Wood, VanVleet, Etc
I would be absolutely stunned if they had any interest in Wood  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:23 pm : link
after drafting Toppin last night
I'd be shocked if Knicks  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 1:24 pm : link
weren't the frontrunner for FVV at this point
Can someone explain to me the VanVleet love?  
Gmen88 : 11/19/2020 1:26 pm : link
Every single time I've watched him I've come away thoroughly unimpressed. Very average basketball player.
Maybe there is talk  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 1:27 pm : link
that contracts will be more difficult to come by with all the lost money this past season and they just thought this money could be better spent.
did you not watch the 2019 NBA Finals?  
GGGGmen : 11/19/2020 1:27 pm : link
guy was going toe to toe with the Warriors. played incredibly well.
RE: Well I guess we are going to build a Tibs  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15051400 larryflower37 said:
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Team in FA and trades.
I think it's close to 60 million in cap space.
We can go in on Wood, VanVleet, Etc


39 million cap space
achilles for Klay  
bigbluehoya : 11/19/2020 1:34 pm : link
awful to hear.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 1:36 pm : link
Happy to see them cleaning house. Shows you how disastrous last offseason really was.

I hope I am wrong but it doesn't sound like the Knicks are frontrunners for Van Vleet. Begley and Berman seem to think the Knicks aren't all in on him. From Berman

"But NBA sources have long indicated VanVleet may not be the maximum contract-type of player to come along and change a franchise’s direction single-handedly. As much as the Knicks like him, they also are aware he’s probably best off on a club already established."
Great Moves  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 1:36 pm : link
These are great moves by Rose and team, all those guys needed to go, especially Payton and Portis.

I am curious on the plan at PG.

I do not want Rozier.

The cap space gives them a lot of flexibility.

I'd still love to see an offer sheet to Brandon Ingram.
I qm calling Boston  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 1:39 pm : link
and saying hey we can sign Hayward outright, but if you take randle, we will throw in a future 1st
RE: did you not watch the 2019 NBA Finals?  
Gmen88 : 11/19/2020 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15051412 GGGGmen said:
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guy was going toe to toe with the Warriors. played incredibly well.


So all based on Game 6 3 point shooting. Got it.
RE: achilles for Klay  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/19/2020 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15051422 bigbluehoya said:
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awful to hear.


Terrible. I wish him a strong recovery. One of the most unique players in recent history, nobody goes nuclear quite like Klay. I've always thought if there was one guy who could challenge Wilt's 100 points record, it would be him. I hope we still see a few more Nuclear Klay games in the future, but this is going to be tough to bounce back from.
Yeah I get the sense that they're not high enough on FVV  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:41 pm : link
to make the kind of offer that Toronto would hesitate to match. Toronto also seems confident that they'll keep him but I guess we'll find out tomorrow/Saturday. Other than FVV, there aren't too many other exciting FA's. Maybe they make a run at Hayward or Joe Harris but if it's not FVV then I would imagine they'll be more active on the trade market than FA.
RE: I qm calling Boston  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15051427 nygiants16 said:
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and saying hey we can sign Hayward outright, but if you take randle, we will throw in a future 1st

I was thinking about this earlier but if you're Boston, why not take Randle straight up? Most of his money isn't guaranteed after this year anyways and he's a useful player for them off the bench. It's not like they'll have cap space to improve the roster if Hayward walks for nothing anyways.
Lets be real  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 1:44 pm : link
Thibs is not going into the season eith Frank and DSJ as his point guards
I don't understand them  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 1:44 pm : link
not at least giving Dotson the QO. Whatever. Rose better have a plan for all this space...
RE: RE: I qm calling Boston  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15051435 Strahan91 said:
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and saying hey we can sign Hayward outright, but if you take randle, we will throw in a future 1st


I was thinking about this earlier but if you're Boston, why not take Randle straight up? Most of his money isn't guaranteed after this year anyways and he's a useful player for them off the bench. It's not like they'll have cap space to improve the roster if Hayward walks for nothing anyways.


This conversation is more about Kemba, I have a feeling. Boston wants some assets to get Harden.
RE: RE: did you not watch the 2019 NBA Finals?  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15051428 Gmen88 said:
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guy was going toe to toe with the Warriors. played incredibly well.



So all based on Game 6 3 point shooting. Got it.


What exactly do you not like about FVV?
RE: RE: RE: did you not watch the 2019 NBA Finals?  
Gmen88 : 11/19/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15051444 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 15051412 GGGGmen said:


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guy was going toe to toe with the Warriors. played incredibly well.



So all based on Game 6 3 point shooting. Got it.



What exactly do you not like about FVV?


I'd say he's a fine complimentary piece and the Knicks need winning basketball players, but I just don't understand clamoring or breaking the bank for an average or slightly above average player.
RE: RE: RE: did you not watch the 2019 NBA Finals?  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15051444 TyreeHelmet said:
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guy was going toe to toe with the Warriors. played incredibly well.



So all based on Game 6 3 point shooting. Got it.



What exactly do you not like about FVV?


I know not directed at me, but I have been outspoken on FVV. I like him a lot, but he benefits from the Toronto system. He is not a true penetrating PG and definitely not work the max that it will take to get him. We have to stop overpaying guys and FVV would be a overpay. The only FA worth the money this year are Anthony Davis (Not getting him) and Brandon Ingram (restricted and Griffin rather give up his first born then let the Knicks get Ingram)
The Knicks are going to have $40M in cap space  
GGGGmen : 11/19/2020 1:55 pm : link
and I think they need to spend it vs hoarding it.

Not a lot of FA options out there. I'd pay FVV a 3 year deal and in that time maybe we draft the PG of the future.

NEED to improve that position or this team will continue to flounder.
RE: The Knicks are going to have $40M in cap space  
Gmen88 : 11/19/2020 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15051452 GGGGmen said:
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and I think they need to spend it vs hoarding it.

Not a lot of FA options out there. I'd pay FVV a 3 year deal and in that time maybe we draft the PG of the future.

NEED to improve that position or this team will continue to flounder.


But he's not a great passer or penetrator.
Randle  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 1:58 pm : link
More than likely will be traded somewhere so that in essence will open up $19M more in cap space UNLESS that $40M being discussed includes Randle $19M?
I really  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 1:58 pm : link
think the Knicks are going to be very active in the trade market. It's hard to see Randle being here come opening day, and equally hard to picture Frank/DSJ being the starting PG.

There's a blues song to be made re: having 40 mil to spend and no one to spend it on.
Wooten  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 2:02 pm : link
Isn’t he a solid defender? This move made the least amount of sense.
RE: Wooten  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15051461 UGADawgs7 said:
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Isn’t he a solid defender? This move made the least amount of sense.


He's a great leaper, but unclear if he had any other real skills
FVV  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 2:09 pm : link
Is not a penetrating point guard? I mean he's not Steph Curry but the guy can get in the lane and distribute. Is he a perfect player? No but he could really help the Knicks in many different ways. And what are the other options? You guys are also massively underselling his flexibility on offense and his defensive skillset.

You want to wait around for Anthony Davis or a similar caliber player to use your cap space? You'll be waiting a long time. And if lightning strikes and one of those superstars does decide to come to NY, you will always be able to move FVV- the guy is 26.

Lastly the Knicks are clearly not going to use their cap space to acquire picks or facilitate trades with sweeteners. That has been made pretty clear.
Cap space  
31southst : 11/19/2020 2:17 pm : link
With all this room I can’t help but wonder if we’ll make a run at Bogdonovich as an RFA. I wonder if the sign and trade with the Bucks fell through because someone told his agent he’d get more than the roughly 15 he signed for this year.
I would not be shocked  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 2:19 pm : link
if Westbrook is a Knick before free agency and then knicks sign a shooter to play shooting guard
Someone help me out. Harkless & Dotson were listed  
TheMick7 : 11/19/2020 2:25 pm : link
as FAs w/cap holds Dotson @$3M & Harkless @$16.5M Dotson was waived. Does Harkless money count against the cap as it's listed as a cap hold?
RE: I really  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15051458 Jon in NYC said:
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think the Knicks are going to be very active in the trade market. It's hard to see Randle being here come opening day, and equally hard to picture Frank/DSJ being the starting PG.

There's a blues song to be made re: having 40 mil to spend and no one to spend it on.


I think there is a chance they see Randle as an expiring asset for the next deadline day disgruntled star trade. I'm bracing for him to be dazzling us with spinning into double teams right up until Feb.
RE: Someone help me out. Harkless & Dotson were listed  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15051482 TheMick7 said:
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as FAs w/cap holds Dotson @$3M & Harkless @$16.5M Dotson was waived. Does Harkless money count against the cap as it's listed as a cap hold?

No, Dotson could've been tendered and then would be a RFA whereas Harkless those are just his bird rights that the Knicks could retain but can renounce at any time (which they almost certainly will). Dotson and the others from today had deadlines on those decisions due today.
RE: RE: I really  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 2:29 pm : link
In comment 15051484 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15051458 Jon in NYC said:


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think the Knicks are going to be very active in the trade market. It's hard to see Randle being here come opening day, and equally hard to picture Frank/DSJ being the starting PG.

There's a blues song to be made re: having 40 mil to spend and no one to spend it on.



I think there is a chance they see Randle as an expiring asset for the next deadline day disgruntled star trade. I'm bracing for him to be dazzling us with spinning into double teams right up until Feb.


He has to be traded before opening night
RE: RE: Someone help me out. Harkless & Dotson were listed  
TheMick7 : 11/19/2020 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15051485 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 15051482 TheMick7 said:


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as FAs w/cap holds Dotson @$3M & Harkless @$16.5M Dotson was waived. Does Harkless money count against the cap as it's listed as a cap hold?


No, Dotson could've been tendered and then would be a RFA whereas Harkless those are just his bird rights that the Knicks could retain but can renounce at any time (which they almost certainly will). Dotson and the others from today had deadlines on those decisions due today.


Thanks!
RE: RE: I really  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15051484 Heisenberg said:
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think the Knicks are going to be very active in the trade market. It's hard to see Randle being here come opening day, and equally hard to picture Frank/DSJ being the starting PG.

There's a blues song to be made re: having 40 mil to spend and no one to spend it on.



I think there is a chance they see Randle as an expiring asset for the next deadline day disgruntled star trade. I'm bracing for him to be dazzling us with spinning into double teams right up until Feb.

You don’t draft a soon to be 23 year old Toppin to not start. Unless the plans is to have Toppin at SF, RJ SG and a PG, Randle being here doesn’t make sense.
Barrett  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 2:34 pm : link
Not totally certain if he’s better as a SF or SG.
Barrett, Toppin and Robinson is your front court  
GGGGmen : 11/19/2020 2:35 pm : link
need guards to start. Bring Frank, Quickley, DSJ (if not traded) off the bench.
Randle really doesnt fit here...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 2:36 pm : link
what a dumb signing he was. Id love to trade him for an equivalent salary but a different style. Id trade him to CHA for Cody Zeller. Let Zeller backup mitch.
Begley  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 2:38 pm : link
says FVV is unlikely. Passing on Flynn at 25 may haunt us. I'll root for Quickley and I'm moving on but it feels like a CAA pick.
RE: Randle really doesnt fit here...  
Del Shofner : 11/19/2020 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15051491 Italianju said:
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what a dumb signing he was. Id love to trade him for an equivalent salary but a different style. Id trade him to CHA for Cody Zeller. Let Zeller backup mitch.


I don't disagree, but what I see is this. With Taj gone (the only cut that surprised me a little), Randle is the only one on the roster besides Mitch who plays C. In addition, Randle is a Kentucky guy and (at least if you believe the Post) that's a factor on the Knicks at the moment.
Hahn was intimating on Twitter last night that he could see us going  
Stu11 : 11/19/2020 2:42 pm : link
to camp with DSJ as our starting pg. That sent me to sleep really depressed.
RE: Hahn was intimating on Twitter last night that he could see us going  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15051498 Stu11 said:
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to camp with DSJ as our starting pg. That sent me to sleep really depressed.

there's maybe 5 guys in the league that are worse options than Frank as starting PG. DSJ is one of them.
RE: RE: Hahn was intimating on Twitter last night that he could see us going  
Stu11 : 11/19/2020 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15051503 Enzo said:
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to camp with DSJ as our starting pg. That sent me to sleep really depressed.


there's maybe 5 guys in the league that are worse options than Frank as starting PG. DSJ is one of them.

you're being generous.
When is Haywarss opt out date?  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 2:54 pm : link
I know they pushed it back
We have what? 40M in cap space with a roster of 10 players?  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 2:57 pm : link
RJ
Obi
Randle
Robinson
DSJ
Frank
Knox
Quickley
Iggy
Bullock

Jared Harper - 2 way
Myles Powell - 2 way



And Frank is the longest tenured Knick. Let that sink in.
RE: Can someone explain to me the VanVleet love?  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15051409 Gmen88 said:
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Every single time I've watched him I've come away thoroughly unimpressed. Very average basketball player.

Did you watch the playoffs? He practically dragged the Raptors to a deep run..
RE: When is Haywarss opt out date?  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15051508 nygiants16 said:
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I know they pushed it back

Today at 5p ET
I want Randle gone,too. But if Rose thinks he'd be valuable  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 3:15 pm : link
at the trade deadline, he's probably here opening night.
RE: RE: When is Haywarss opt out date?  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15051513 Strahan91 said:
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I know they pushed it back


Today at 5p ET


Was that pushed back so they can trade him prior to FA tomorrow night? If he opts out he is a UFA? What happens if he is traded prior? Can whatever team he gets traded to in theory trade for him and lose him for 0?
RE: RE: RE: When is Haywarss opt out date?  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15051522 UGADawgs7 said:
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Was that pushed back so they can trade him prior to FA tomorrow night? If he opts out he is a UFA? What happens if he is traded prior? Can whatever team he gets traded to in theory trade for him and lose him for 0?

My read on the situation is that yes, it was so they can trade him and get something in return rather than him leaving for nothing. He'd have to opt-in and then be traded or opt-in and agree to an extension. I don't think he can be traded and then opt-out from his new team.
Harper looks like Marlo Stanfield  
ghost718 : 11/19/2020 3:32 pm : link
Makes sense because I think Maurice Levy runs the Knicks
Come on Rose  
Carl in CT : 11/19/2020 3:39 pm : link
Beg Davis. Give him a job at CAA after his playing days are over. Make it happen.
Haha Davis no chance  
GMEN46 : 11/19/2020 3:56 pm : link
Pretty sure if they had a shot at davis they would not have drafted Obi last night.

Just because I’m bored, if knicks signed davis and hayward, dj augustin. How competitive of a team would that be? Is that top 4 in the East?
Haha Davis no chance  
GMEN46 : 11/19/2020 3:57 pm : link
Pretty sure if they had a shot at davis they would not have drafted Obi last night.

Just because I’m bored, if knicks signed davis and hayward, dj augustin. How competitive of a team would that be? Is that top 4 in the East?
might be unworkable under  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 4:03 pm : link
the cap but FVV and Hayward together would be two vets I wouldn't mind them getting.
oh?  
Heisenberg : 11/19/2020 4:04 pm : link
RE: might be unworkable under  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15051559 Enzo said:
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the cap but FVV and Hayward together would be two vets I wouldn't mind them getting.

It works of you can move Randle to Boston or elsewhere.
RE: might be unworkable under  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15051559 Enzo said:
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the cap but FVV and Hayward together would be two vets I wouldn't mind them getting.


It depends what Hayward is looking for in free agency..

If he opts out he could just look for a long term deal..

RE: RE: Can someone explain to me the VanVleet love?  
Gmen88 : 11/19/2020 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15051512 ryanmkeane said:
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Every single time I've watched him I've come away thoroughly unimpressed. Very average basketball player.


Did you watch the playoffs? He practically dragged the Raptors to a deep run..


Apparently we watched a different playoffs. He had good production given his role in the raptors system which benefits him significantly. He still does not penetrate or distribute that well and is a very average player in my opinion. I just don't get the allure.
This  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 4:16 pm : link
is definitely going to end with 3/90 for Hayward and a Russ-RJ-Hayward-Obi-Mitch lineup. Probably good enough for the 7 seed until Russ and Hayward's knees explode and land on Uranus and Saturn respectively
Hayward  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 4:18 pm : link
is interesting. He was really playing well this past year before getting hurt again. I wonder what kind of contract he's looking for if he opts out.
there's really no reason  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 4:20 pm : link
for Hayward to consider the Knicks unless we're giving him a fat contract. Or his agent is trying to use the Knicks as fake leverage. I'd love to get Hayward at something like 3/90 but we're the Knicks, so you know it's going to be 4/120 or even more.
Rose  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 4:25 pm : link
And the front office must view Barrett long term as a SG if they’re going hard for Hayward. He must up his FT% if that’s the case. Can’t be a slasher plus take some jumpers if you can’t make FT. Randle is a must trade how.
Is there anyone else besides the Hawks  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 4:27 pm : link
who have cap space??
Beasley  
31southst : 11/19/2020 4:28 pm : link
Apparently Minnesota is making Malik Beasley available. Could be an interesting fit but I believe he has some sort of charges pending against him.
I liked the Hayward fit a lot more prior to the Toppin pick.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 4:30 pm : link
RJ/Hayward/Toppin/Mitch is pretty big and slow for a 2-5 in today's NBA.
Begley  
Professor Falken : 11/19/2020 4:32 pm : link
sez the Knicks have been interested in Hayward, but less likely to happen now since Knicks used their picks last night.
RE: Begley  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15051585 Professor Falken said:
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sez the Knicks have been interested in Hayward, but less likely to happen now since Knicks used their picks last night.


Stein is saying it would be a free agent
.  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 4:40 pm : link
Vincent Goodwill
@VinceGoodwill
The Minnesota Timberwolves have made guard Malik Beasley available in discussions, and the New York Knicks are one of several interested teams, according to sources. He averaged 20 after being traded from Denver to Minnesota last season
RE: I liked the Hayward fit a lot more prior to the Toppin pick.  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15051584 bceagle05 said:
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RJ/Hayward/Toppin/Mitch is pretty big and slow for a 2-5 in today's NBA.

I think RJ comes off the bench as the backup 3 or 4 in that scenario. He can still get plenty of mins.
I am sure the Knicks would love for it to be a sign and trade  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 4:42 pm : link
and the Celtics take randle
RE: Is there anyone else besides the Hawks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/19/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15051582 nygiants16 said:
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who have cap space??


Pistons and Kings. But the Knicks and Hawks have the most by far.

I'm not opposed to Hayward. He's only 30 and can still be a really good all around player. But if you have a lineup of Russ, RJ, Hayward, Toppin and Mitch or worse Randle- they are going to get torched defensively.

It would worry me that Boston is letting him walk though...
Klay Thompson with an ACL  
adamg : 11/19/2020 4:47 pm : link
Per woj
RE: RE: Is there anyone else besides the Hawks  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15051600 TyreeHelmet said:
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who have cap space??



Pistons and Kings. But the Knicks and Hawks have the most by far.

I'm not opposed to Hayward. He's only 30 and can still be a really good all around player. But if you have a lineup of Russ, RJ, Hayward, Toppin and Mitch or worse Randle- they are going to get torched defensively.

It would worry me that Boston is letting him walk though...


Boston has no say in it..

Pistons i believe have like 10 million because of them taking ariza
Hayward opts out  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 4:56 pm : link
per Shams.
Shams  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 4:56 pm : link
Celtics’ Gordon Hayward has opted out of his $34M deal for the 2020-21 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Wow  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 4:57 pm : link
Hayward opted out. Gotta be Knicks, Atlanta or Boston. I bet we find out soon.
Oklahoma city trading Oubre to Golden State  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 5:00 pm : link
..
RE: Wow  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15051608 Jon in NYC said:
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Hayward opted out. Gotta be Knicks, Atlanta or Boston. I bet we find out soon.

I think it could also be a sign-and-trade to some other team as well.
Avery Bradley  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 5:03 pm : link
is another free agent I think we should pursue.
RE: Avery Bradley  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15051616 Enzo said:
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is another free agent I think we should pursue.


Yeah just came to post this. Would fit in really well next to RJ
RE: RE: Wow  
Saquads26 : 11/19/2020 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15051614 Enzo said:
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Hayward opted out. Gotta be Knicks, Atlanta or Boston. I bet we find out soon.


I think it could also be a sign-and-trade to some other team as well.


Seems that’s what is coming
Hopefully the Knicks can move Randle  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:05 pm : link
Anyone feel there is a market for him?
im good with going after hayward...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:09 pm : link
he is a good player who can be the top offensive option (not on a championship team, but we are not that right now) but he doesnt have to be due to his shooting ability.

Beasley is interesting. Has played well with minutes. Good shooter. Could fit well with RJ and i cant imagine has a high cost.
if you go with Hayward you really have to find...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:31 pm : link
a way to get one more good nba player here. Otherwise you would be better off going with maybe Beasley and hoping he turns into something. And im not saying Russ, but maybe another solid vet PG. Or sure if you could somehow convince someone to take Randle so you could get Hayward and FVV that would work, but i dont see anyone taking Randle.
Interesting Twitter notes  
Professor Falken : 11/19/2020 5:33 pm : link
Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
29m
One strong tie between the Knicks and Gordon Hayward: new NYK associate head coach Johnnie Bryant, the former Jazz assistant who oversaw Hayward's development in Utah.

Also, Walt Perrin, who is now with the Knicks, was Utah's head of player personnel in Utah when they drafted Hayward.
why?  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:35 pm : link

Tony Jones
@Tjonesonthenba
The Utah Jazz have an agreement to trade Ed Davis to the New York Knicks, League Sources tell The Athletic
RE: why?  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15051633 Italianju said:
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Tony Jones
@Tjonesonthenba
The Utah Jazz have an agreement to trade Ed Davis to the New York Knicks, League Sources tell The Athletic


What else do we get from the Jazz? A first round pick?
Ed Davis...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:39 pm : link
making 5 mill this year. Not really sure why this is the kind of guy you get at the beginning of the offseason. Im guessing we could find his production for vet min the day before the season starts. Unless we are getting something to take that 5 from UTA, but havent seen that.
Davis is a waste of cap right before  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:43 pm : link
FA.
Stupid move unless there is a pick involved
seems like..  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 5:44 pm : link
the obsession with power forwards continues, but I do like Davis.

They must move Randle or buy him out.
I imagine  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 5:45 pm : link
we got an asset to take on Davis.
i mean its not really an obsession for this FO...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:47 pm : link
we currently have Mitch, Randle, and Obi as "Bigs". I mean we were going to get a PF or two as the offseason went on, ha.

But yeah if we arent getting an asset for taking Davis this is a bad start to FA/Trade season.
we are loving those 2023 seconds..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:47 pm : link

Adrian Wojnarowski
The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell
@WindhorstESPN
and me.
Well that works  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:48 pm : link
The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell @WindhorstESPN and me.
3- 2nds in 2023  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:49 pm : link
Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts
Love  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 5:49 pm : link
it. He probably takes Taj's spot.
RE: we are loving those 2023 seconds..  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15051644 Italianju said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell
@WindhorstESPN
and me.


We're going to own the second round of 2023!
This is a dumb move right now....  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:50 pm : link
you get 2 second round picks 2 years from now to waste 5 mill in capspace the day before FA starts. And i mean Davis is 31 its not like they think he has untapped potential.

Boy im really trying to stick to my not crush this FO for a yaer and it did work out mostly ok last night when i didnt kill them for the trade up from 27 and then they essentially turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 for free. But unless they needed these seconds for a different deal, i dont get it.
RE: 3- 2nds in 2023  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15051646 larryflower37 said:
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Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts


4. 4 second round picks in 2023 altogether in the "double draft"
And im not killing the value...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:51 pm : link
just the timing. I dont get making the trade the day before FA. Like how do we know we wont need that 5 mill. I mean i guess maybe they know they arent going to be on any big money guys, so maybe it doesnt matter.
It's $5M, it's not going to hamper anything they plan to do in FA  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 5:51 pm : link
Also for all we know Randle is on the move elsewhere
RE: This is a dumb move right now....  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15051650 Italianju said:
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you get 2 second round picks 2 years from now to waste 5 mill in capspace the day before FA starts. And i mean Davis is 31 its not like they think he has untapped potential.

Boy im really trying to stick to my not crush this FO for a yaer and it did work out mostly ok last night when i didnt kill them for the trade up from 27 and then they essentially turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 for free. But unless they needed these seconds for a different deal, i dont get it.


I'm not understanding the hostility. This FO knows what they want to do. Do you really think they are dumb enough to take on $5 mil now and go after a FA and lose out because they were $5 mil short? Come on.
RE: RE: 3- 2nds in 2023  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15051652 Anakim said:
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In comment 15051646 larryflower37 said:


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Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts



4. 4 second round picks in 2023 altogether in the "double draft"


What double draft? I keep seeing this being said but nothing has been agreed upon. And from what I read there is a stalemate and will not happen. Maybe I am not up to date but that is the last I saw as the most current.
I wonder what the Knicks gave up  
Mike in NY : 11/19/2020 5:55 pm : link
Ed Davis sounds like a good locker room guy and if we were not going to use that $5M in cap room anyway an expiring contract for a bench player is better than spending it on some PG who had a handful of good games.
So they have  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:55 pm : link
2 firsts in 2023 and 4-2nds ?
Always helpful to build up picks.
ok dumb move was a stretch....  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:56 pm : link
just dont really see the value in second rounders at this point in the offseason. This is the start of FA, maybe a desperate team will give more for our capspace. But again if we know we arent going for any big salaried guys then we have plenty more capspace to rent out.

If it was a first id be thrilled.
unless Rose has some inside info...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:57 pm : link
the double draft would be a risky thing to plan on. Sounds like its 50 to 50 to ever happen.

Always good to have extra picks, that part i def like.
RE: ok dumb move was a stretch....  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15051659 Italianju said:
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just dont really see the value in second rounders at this point in the offseason. This is the start of FA, maybe a desperate team will give more for our capspace. But again if we know we arent going for any big salaried guys then we have plenty more capspace to rent out.

If it was a first id be thrilled.


But isn't that the point of taking in "bad contracts"? It has to be done now for 1 year contracts. We shouldn't be taking on multiple year guys. It should be 1 year contracts and the purpose of that is so teams have money to spend in FA hence the timing.
RE: unless Rose has some inside info...  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15051660 Italianju said:
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the double draft would be a risky thing to plan on. Sounds like its 50 to 50 to ever happen.

Always good to have extra picks, that part i def like.

I thought the double draft was 2022 if at all?
if they know they arent gonna get (or they dont want)  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:59 pm : link
guys like Hayward and FVV then im fine making 5 more trades like this. Sure we will suck again next year, but at least we can accumulate assets, save cap flexibility and hopefully get some improvements from the kids with a new FO and coaching staff

RE: RE: RE: 3- 2nds in 2023  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15051656 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15051652 Anakim said:


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In comment 15051646 larryflower37 said:


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Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts



4. 4 second round picks in 2023 altogether in the "double draft"



What double draft? I keep seeing this being said but nothing has been agreed upon. And from what I read there is a stalemate and will not happen. Maybe I am not up to date but that is the last I saw as the most current.


TBH, I'm not sure, but I came across this on Twitter:

"This most recent agreement started with the 2017–18 season and will run through 2023–24, with a mutual opt-out AFTER 2022–23. The plan would be for high schoolers to re-enter in the 2023 Draft."


But yeah, I'm essentially parroting what others are saying about high schoolers and about the double draft
RE: RE: unless Rose has some inside info...  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15051663 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 15051660 Italianju said:


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the double draft would be a risky thing to plan on. Sounds like its 50 to 50 to ever happen.

Always good to have extra picks, that part i def like.


I thought the double draft was 2022 if at all?


From the most recent news I could find, 2022 will not happen. 2023 is possible but the stalemate is something like the NBA wants full medicals and the union and agents said hell no. Until there is a breakthrough there the double draft is not happening.
What  
ripdumaine : 11/19/2020 6:03 pm : link
Did we give up for Davis?
we didnt give up anything for Davis..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:04 pm : link
UTA needed to save money.

So if im looking at this right we have....  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:08 pm : link
2021 - 2 1st, 3 2nd
2022 - Just our 1st
2023 - 2 1st, 4 2nd

Not exactly OKC but not bad at all
Davis thing is a nice move  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:09 pm : link
You never know when those 2nds might come into play as trade filler or whatnot.
i feel like there was a stretch...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:10 pm : link
where we didnt have a second round pick for years, lol. Now we have 7 in the next 3 drafts.
Ed Davis is a CAA client  
ghost718 : 11/19/2020 6:12 pm : link
.
The big thing for me is does the team have a cohesive strategy?  
NoGainDayne : 11/19/2020 6:13 pm : link
Rose for the first time in a while looks like a guy in charge that does.

It fits with who he is as well, which is more encouraging. He seems to be looking to just get value out of moves and want to stockpile assets with value. I wouldn't expect us to give us much value for Randle as he could have potential value as a trade deadline expiring or a piece in a 3 way deal.

To me taking on $5M in salary seems like good value for 2 second rounders. Also to those confused with the move on draft night with our 2nd rounder could easily be a strategy to maximize around a strategy fork in 2023. Either you can be a FA destination with RJ and Mitch as a core or you dump everyone for whatever you can get and reload with a new core all at once.

IMO what I'd expect to see with Hayward if this is the thinking is either a 2 year max deal or a longer term non max deal. If it is a longer max deal as other have noted Hayward is the kind of guy that fits alongside any star so he isn't a bad foundational player to bring in if in your estimation you have to scrape the bottom and take on some risk to bring in a "first star" FA.
i get theyve tortured us forever  
JJ2525 : 11/19/2020 6:13 pm : link
but the way people hate on everything they do is crazy. people lost there minds about swapping seconds last night, some people complained today about keeping bullock for 4m and now complaining about getting picks to take on ed davis. to me, these moves show me this FO actually knows how to start building. theyre accumulating assets and also have a decent 3-and-d guy with a serviceable backup big for $9m total. last year we were giving out 10-12m each for these type of guys. you have to field a team and have some locker room stabilizers with all the youth. to me theyre doing that at reasonable prices while also grabbing some picks.
zero chance id give up any assets to move...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:17 pm : link
randle, unless we really needed to. I dont want him stunting the growth of Toppin but at worst you let him play out the year and let him walk. Id really like to swap him for a guy that fits a bit better. I think sending him to CHA for Cody Zeller kind of makes sense for both teams. CHA gets offense and we get a backup 5.
To be fair..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:19 pm : link
i walked back my "dumb move" comment and i think im the only one who said it was a dumb move. I still think the timing is a bit ehh, but everyone can calm down, i took it back, lol.
Can someone please  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 6:19 pm : link
Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?
RE: Can someone please  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15051683 UGADawgs7 said:
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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?


Probably sending Ante Tomic back. Haha
RE: Can someone please  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15051683 UGADawgs7 said:
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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?


Since it's a salary dump for utah, not much. It hasn't been reported yet though. Here is speculation:

"My guess is that the Ed Davis deal is a salary dump, a pick will be going out, and it's either Louis Labeyrie, Ognjen Jaramaz, or Yusuf Sanon coming back — those are the guys the Knicks still have the draft rights to. "
Trade  
31southst : 11/19/2020 6:25 pm : link
Probably a top 55 protected pick or maybe the rights to that 31 yr one euro they just got.
Dolan won't be satisfied until an earthquake swallows MSG  
ghost718 : 11/19/2020 6:28 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Can someone please  
TheMick7 : 11/19/2020 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15051686 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?

Knicks get 2 2023 2nd round picks for taking on Davis' $5M contract. They now have 2 #1's & 4 #2's in what has been labeled the"double draft" as HS players will be coming out.Davis will replace Gibson as Mitch's backup!Smart move by Leon!



Since it's a salary dump for utah, not much. It hasn't been reported yet though. Here is speculation:

"My guess is that the Ed Davis deal is a salary dump, a pick will be going out, and it's either Louis Labeyrie, Ognjen Jaramaz, or Yusuf Sanon coming back — those are the guys the Knicks still have the draft rights to. "
RE: RE: Can someone please  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15051686 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15051683 UGADawgs7 said:


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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?



Since it's a salary dump for utah, not much. It hasn't been reported yet though. Here is speculation:

"My guess is that the Ed Davis deal is a salary dump, a pick will be going out, and it's either Louis Labeyrie, Ognjen Jaramaz, or Yusuf Sanon coming back — those are the guys the Knicks still have the draft rights to. "



Noooo. Not Loose Labia!
Speculation  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 6:36 pm : link
That Westbrook is going to happen...
RE: Speculation  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...


There is a trainer on twitter apparently big name trainer saying something big is about to go down involving the Knicks
RE: Speculation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...


What's worse? Westbrook on his deal or multi-years for Hayward?
RE: Speculation  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...


Where is this speculation?
RE: RE: Speculation  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15051697 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...



What's worse? Westbrook on his deal or multi-years for Hayward?

Westbrook would be way worse.
Well I enjoyed last night at least.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 6:51 pm : link
Malik Beasley is a guy I’ve wanted the Knicks to steal for two years now. Legal troubles have soured me a bit though — not exactly a culture guy.
RE: RE: RE: Speculation  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15051699 Enzo said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...



What's worse? Westbrook on his deal or multi-years for Hayward?


Westbrook would be way worse.

Westbrook at 44 million means we would have to move Randle, Frank & DSJ
Hayward at 4 years 120 million is probably worse
Both have injury history.
Hayward isn't getting 4/$120M  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 6:56 pm : link
More likely is something like 3/60 or 4/80, give or take a a couple million in AAV
Looks like MSG is airing “Knicks Report w/Leon Rose” tonight at 8pm.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 6:59 pm : link
I’m guessing it’s new, but don’t know for sure.
RE: RE: Speculation  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15051698 Pete44 said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...



Where is this speculation?


Dave Zenon for one. He’s an NBA trainer
well i mean if this was a player we really wanted...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 7:01 pm : link
and someone said we were getting him because a trainer said something big was going to happen, we would all be like "yeah sure". So maybe this is that?? I really dont want to have to talk myself into russ.
RE: RE: Speculation  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15051696 nygiants16 said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...



There is a trainer on twitter apparently big name trainer saying something big is about to go down involving the Knicks


What’s the Twitter handle? And is it involving Westbrook? Kemba? Hayward?
Oubre  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:04 pm : link
To GSW
His  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:08 pm : link
Handle is @davidzenon1 he deleted a tweet saying news coming would make Twitter explode (he has extensive Knicks ties and trains some of the current Knicks)
He’s  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:09 pm : link
Legit
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Westbrook as a Knick.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 7:11 pm : link
Just shoot me. Please.
For me with Russ it's all about what we are giving up  
NoGainDayne : 11/19/2020 7:13 pm : link
anything more than not much and I wouldn't like it.

As a salary dump for them I am interested. We don't have many options right now and while I wouldn't bet on Russ becoming a better teammate there are plenty of players that figure out how to be more selfless to win. I'm intrigued with him and Thibs perhaps making him an even better defender and how no nonsense he is. If Russ ever learned to force his shot less he could be the #1 on a championship team. You can't say that about Hayward, who you likely have to overpay to be the "first star" here as discussed above.
Stein  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:14 pm : link
The NBA has opened an investigation of the reported transaction involving Milwaukee and Sacramento that was to send Bogdan Bogdanovic to the Bucks via sign-and-trade after Friday's scheduled start of free agency, @NYTSports has learned
RE: His  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15051711 DanMetroMan said:
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Handle is @davidzenon1 he deleted a tweet saying news coming would make Twitter explode (he has extensive Knicks ties and trains some of the current Knicks)


I still see that tweet :)
If Russ is inevitable  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 7:22 pm : link
they have to add at least one other good vet.
Maybe do Randle, DSJ, and Bullock for Russ. Sign Hayward. And with whatever is left over try to get Avery Bradley. Or if you have enough $$$ try to get Bogdan. They can stretch Ed Davis if they need a few extra bucks. And then sign a big with the room exception.
But  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 7:22 pm : link
He hadn’t commented on it if NYK fans will be happy or pissed with it...
RE: RE: His  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15051717 UGADawgs7 said:
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In comment 15051711 DanMetroMan said:


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Handle is @davidzenon1 he deleted a tweet saying news coming would make Twitter explode (he has extensive Knicks ties and trains some of the current Knicks)



I still see that tweet :)


Link it
Celtics trade  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:28 pm : link
We have traded center Vincent Poirier and cash considerations to the @okcthunder in exchange for a conditional future second round pick.
RE: RE: RE: His  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15051720 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15051711 DanMetroMan said:


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Handle is @davidzenon1 he deleted a tweet saying news coming would make Twitter explode (he has extensive Knicks ties and trains some of the current Knicks)



I still see that tweet :)



Link it

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I still think the odds are that both Harden & Russ  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 7:33 pm : link
are Rockets to begin the season.
RE: I still think the odds are that both Harden & Russ  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15051724 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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are Rockets to begin the season.


Why do that to your rookie head coach? baaically ask him to coach 2 guya who dont want to be there
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 7:36 pm : link
Is both Westbrook and Hayward even possible with our cap?
RE: RE: I still think the odds are that both Harden & Russ  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15051726 nygiants16 said:
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are Rockets to begin the season.



Why do that to your rookie head coach? baaically ask him to coach 2 guya who dont want to be there


I agree it sucks for Silas, but Fertitta seems like a vengeful SOB & probably will instruct the FO not to move either one, unless it's a Godfather like offer.
Any chance it’s Anthony davis?  
GMEN46 : 11/19/2020 7:43 pm : link
I know it’s crazy but I don’t think Twitter explodes for russel Westbrook. Imagine the kentucky crew talks davis into it. He got his championship now ts time to do it in New York. I know it’s a less than 1 percent chance, but can’t think of any other things that makes Twitter explode
RE: Any chance it’s Anthony davis?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15051731 GMEN46 said:
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I know it’s crazy but I don’t think Twitter explodes for russel Westbrook. Imagine the kentucky crew talks davis into it. He got his championship now ts time to do it in New York. I know it’s a less than 1 percent chance, but can’t think of any other things that makes Twitter explode


I think you're wildly underestimating the shit show that would be the reaction to a westbrook trade.
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15051727 ryanmkeane said:
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Is both Westbrook and Hayward even possible with our cap?


Depends on what goes for Westbrook and what Hayward wanta money wise
RE: Any chance it’s Anthony davis?  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15051731 GMEN46 said:
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I know it’s crazy but I don’t think Twitter explodes for russel Westbrook. Imagine the kentucky crew talks davis into it. He got his championship now ts time to do it in New York. I know it’s a less than 1 percent chance, but can’t think of any other things that makes Twitter explode


Westbrook is still a big name and it is New York..
Haha.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 7:55 pm : link
Yes, AD is leaving the world champions for the Knicks. Thanks for the laugh.
Westbrook and Hayward  
GMEN46 : 11/19/2020 7:56 pm : link
Makes this team a 6 or 7 seed with major injury risks on players who will be locked in for at least 3 years. It asked no sense
Westbrook to the Knicks would  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 7:56 pm : link
result in Twitter exploding, with most Knicks fan decrying the move & non Knicks fans laughing at the organization for like the 74744474777474798th time this century.
Zenon’s a good follow  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 7:56 pm : link
but these cryptic tweets are nothing new for him. We’ll see if anything comes of this one.
RE: Zenon’s a good follow  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15051746 bceagle05 said:
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but these cryptic tweets are nothing new for him. We’ll see if anything comes of this one.


Have they ever hit?
Stupid question but  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 8:20 pm : link
Did the NBA waive it's rule on not being able to trade specific players like draft picks before X amount of days because of this unique situation with covid?
RE: RE: Zenon’s a good follow  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15051755 UGADawgs7 said:
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Have they ever hit?

I’ve only followed him a few months, so this is the first offseason of his supposed intel. He has a lot of vague tweets about his personal life, too - I think he has legit connections, but he’s a bit of an attention whore, too. (Like most folks on Twitter)
It really  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 8:34 pm : link
does sound like the grand plan is Russ-RJ-Hayward-Randle-Mitch

They can afford it under the cap if they trade Randle, DSJ for Russ. Pretty easily in fact. I'm sort of resigned to this fate, I'm just hoping we can get some picks from Houston instead of giving them.
RE: We have what? 40M in cap space with a roster of 10 players?  
Jerry's Kids : 11/19/2020 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15051509 Anakim said:
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RJ
Obi
Randle
Robinson
DSJ
Frank
Knox
Quickley
Iggy
Bullock

Jared Harper - 2 way
Myles Powell - 2 way



And Frank is the longest tenured Knick. Let that sink in.


Wow, that’s crazy. Young team.
RE: It really  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15051762 Jon in NYC said:
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does sound like the grand plan is Russ-RJ-Hayward-Randle-Mitch

They can afford it under the cap if they trade Randle, DSJ for Russ. Pretty easily in fact. I'm sort of resigned to this fate, I'm just hoping we can get some picks from Houston instead of giving them.


Plan is probably to field a compeititve team and then when Russ and Hayward are done Rj, Toppin and Mitch will be ready to take over with their other draft picks in the future
our top 3 pick from last year...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 8:40 pm : link
is a guy who is prolly best with the ball in his hand as a slasher, this year we took an offensively skilled big. So lets go out and get a guy who literally dominates the ball 90% of the time. Really dont get it. Still hoping all this Russ to the knicks stuff is just people thinking that Russ is exactly what the knicks would usually do.
RE: It really  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15051762 Jon in NYC said:
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does sound like the grand plan is Russ-RJ-Hayward-Randle-Mitch

They can afford it under the cap if they trade Randle, DSJ for Russ. Pretty easily in fact. I'm sort of resigned to this fate, I'm just hoping we can get some picks from Houston instead of giving them.


Did you really mean Randle at PF or Toppin?
RE: RE: It really  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15051770 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15051762 Jon in NYC said:


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does sound like the grand plan is Russ-RJ-Hayward-Randle-Mitch

They can afford it under the cap if they trade Randle, DSJ for Russ. Pretty easily in fact. I'm sort of resigned to this fate, I'm just hoping we can get some picks from Houston instead of giving them.



Did you really mean Randle at PF or Toppin?


I meant Toppin. Randle has just invited my brain.
RE: RE: We have what? 40M in cap space with a roster of 10 players?  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15051763
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RJ
Obi
Randle
Robinson
DSJ
Frank
Knox
Quickley
Iggy
Bullock

Jared Harper - 2 way
Myles Powell - 2 way



And Frank is the longest tenured Knick. Let that sink in.



Keith Smith
@KeithSmithNBA
Per league sources: The New York Knicks have tendered a Two-Way qualifying offer to Jared Harper. Harper will now be a restricted free agent.
Toppin and Barrett when they were younger  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 9:09 pm : link


Please no  
TommyWiseau : 11/19/2020 9:10 pm : link
on Westbrook
I’m not scared of Westbrook at all  
djm : 11/19/2020 9:27 pm : link
He’s still a great player and we’d (hopefully) be giving up pennies on the dollar in the trade. The cons in paying him all that loot are mitigated greatly by the low cost to get him. Plus it’s 3 years not 5. Big difference in my view.

nothing new but  
Del Shofner : 11/19/2020 9:44 pm : link
kind of a fun read in the Post.

compares Knicks' long PG search to Jets' long QB search - ( New Window )
I  
mitch300 : 11/19/2020 9:56 pm : link
Admit I’m a casual Knick fa. Michael Kay made a good point. He said the Knicks need to start getting some wins. I think he makes a good point. It would be nice for the Knicks to make the playoffs.
Meaning  
mitch300 : 11/19/2020 9:57 pm : link
The Knicks should get Westbrook.
I like russ  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 10:03 pm : link
Which will make it easier after we trade for him and I start talking myself i to it. If they do it just make sure randle is in the deal and don’t send out any real assets. Then find at least one lethal shooter to start with Russ, Rj, obi and Mitch. See I’m talking myself into it already, ugh.
RE: I like russ  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15051809 Italianju said:
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Which will make it easier after we trade for him and I start talking myself i to it. If they do it just make sure randle is in the deal and don’t send out any real assets. Then find at least one lethal shooter to start with Russ, Rj, obi and Mitch. See I’m talking myself into it already, ugh.


Right there with you.
It will be exciting basketball and maddening at times.
But they will grab a playoff spot.
It would be nice to win a little while we rebuild.
Damn it's gotten so bad that Westbrook is a savior.
Can someone give me quick rundown of both  
chopperhatch : 11/20/2020 12:08 am : link
Knicks 1st round draft picks please? I AM aknicks fan, but the current game has passed me by and its no secret the Knicks have been jokesters in FA and the draft (last super draft class was the nate rob/David Lee/Channing Frye draft right?). i honestly hated the KP pick at the timebecause he's, you know, European. But this Toppin kid looks liie he can dash to the net. Can he be taught how to d up?


I also know like nothing about Quikley. College ball was a wash for me last year.

Thanks in advance
Carmelo scored between 27 and 22 points per game  
shyster : 11/20/2020 12:11 am : link
every year between 2013-14 and 2016-17 and the Knicks finished way under .500 and out of the playoffs each season.

Just because you have a "name" player on your team scoring 20+ points a game doesn't mean you have a winning team or a playoff team.

Westbrook shot 25.8% from 3pt last year. In an average game he took 3.7 3pt shots and made 1.0.

He had the worst 3pt percentage in the league among players taking three 3pts per game or more. (Except for injured Steph Curry, whose percentage dropped to 25 percent from 43 percent the year before.)

Westbrook also tied for second in the league in turnovers per game.

Far, far from a sure thing that adding a declining RW will translate to wins.
RE: Can someone give me quick rundown of both  
Ira : 11/20/2020 6:40 am : link
In comment 15051856 chopperhatch said:
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Knicks 1st round draft picks please? I AM aknicks fan, but the current game has passed me by and its no secret the Knicks have been jokesters in FA and the draft (last super draft class was the nate rob/David Lee/Channing Frye draft right?). i honestly hated the KP pick at the timebecause he's, you know, European. But this Toppin kid looks liie he can dash to the net. Can he be taught how to d up?


I also know like nothing about Quikley. College ball was a wash for me last year.

Thanks in advance


This article should help.
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Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 11/20/2020 7:30 am : link
Like Melo is expected to return
RE: Sounds  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 7:43 am : link
In comment 15051893 DanMetroMan said:
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Like Melo is expected to return


Ive been all for Melo but at this point he better be ok coming off the bench
if Melo is coming back..  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 7:52 am : link
that has to be another sign that Randle is on the way out right? You cant have this many offensively skilled players who like the ball (i know this isnt prime melo but still) and arent good defenders.

Kind of surprised Melo doesnt want to ring chase. I respect the fact that he wants to play for the Knicks.
I dont know if Celtics would  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:03 am : link
but if Hayward agrees to sign with Knicks, would you do Randle, Knox or frank, future 1st in a sign and trade?
Don't want Melo back under any circumstances  
Chris L. : 11/20/2020 8:03 am : link
Please go in another direction!
id only do that for Hayward...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 8:08 am : link
if we had a specific other move lined up (not even sure what that would be). Otherwise Seems like a hefty price to pay just to dump Randle right? Thats essentially what your doing there, trading Knox or Frank and a first to trade one year of Randle?
RE: id only do that for Hayward...  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:09 am : link
In comment 15051923 Italianju said:
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if we had a specific other move lined up (not even sure what that would be). Otherwise Seems like a hefty price to pay just to dump Randle right? Thats essentially what your doing there, trading Knox or Frank and a first to trade one year of Randle?


Yeah basically leaves you still with 33 million in space roughly if Hayward took 3 years at 25 million, can go after FVV and presumably still have 10 million to fill out roster
I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 8:29 am : link
He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.
RE: I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
Gmen88 : 11/20/2020 8:32 am : link
In comment 15051938 Heisenberg said:
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He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.


I agree. Only thing I'm thinking is maybe 30 per for 3 years makes him feel more secure than one year of 34 and then 20ish potentially after that.
RE: I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:34 am : link
In comment 15051938 Heisenberg said:
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He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.


if you get a 3 year or 4 year deal he is making more money, plus only 2 teams on the market with enough cap space..

Sign and trades with a cap strapped team at that price is hard to do..
and lets be real Hayward already has a deal lined up  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:35 am : link
he is not opting out without a deal lined up and if he did he should fire his agent..

Same thing happened with Horford last year, Boston media said he didnt have a deal lined up and truth was he did
i dont think Hayward is getting 30 per...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 8:37 am : link
but im guessing he is around 25 for 3 years. Still makes a ton of sense for him. Gets 40 mill guaranteed in a time when we still dont know if we will get a full season, fans in the stands, etc...

Yeah the only way id consider that for Randle is if you were getting FVV and even then i think its a kinda steep price.

I think he wants to go to Indiana  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 8:37 am : link
and they have talked about a sign and trade. Personally, I think the best fit for him and the celtics in a sign and trade would be GSW. He'd work really well there.

If he just signed as a FA straight, I'm not sure why NYK would be a draw for him unless they totally blew ATL out of the water.
RE: i dont think Hayward is getting 30 per...  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 15051945 Italianju said:
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but im guessing he is around 25 for 3 years. Still makes a ton of sense for him. Gets 40 mill guaranteed in a time when we still dont know if we will get a full season, fans in the stands, etc...

Yeah the only way id consider that for Randle is if you were getting FVV and even then i think its a kinda steep price.


I'll take the over :)
GSW...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 8:44 am : link
have pretty much no way to make a S&T work unless BOS is dying to get Wiggins, im assuming they arent.

RE: I dont know if Celtics would  
TyreeHelmet : 11/20/2020 9:17 am : link
In comment 15051918 nygiants16 said:
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but if Hayward agrees to sign with Knicks, would you do Randle, Knox or frank, future 1st in a sign and trade?


Can't do that trade.
RE: GSW...  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 15051954 Italianju said:
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have pretty much no way to make a S&T work unless BOS is dying to get Wiggins, im assuming they arent.

I was thinking they would be agreeable in taking Wiggins as a salary dump in order to get Wiseman.
RE: RE: GSW...  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 9:19 am : link
In comment 15051985 Bill L said:
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In comment 15051954 Italianju said:


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have pretty much no way to make a S&T work unless BOS is dying to get Wiggins, im assuming they arent.



I was thinking they would be agreeable in taking Wiggins as a salary dump in order to get Wiseman.


They are over luxury tax, they cant do it
Bertans  
DanMetroMan : 11/20/2020 9:53 am : link
Wants 18 per, well worth it
RE: Bertans  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 9:55 am : link
In comment 15052031 DanMetroMan said:
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Wants 18 per, well worth it



Not from us
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 9:56 am : link
much rather be the team paying Bertans 18 mil than Randle 22.

Probably not a fit anymore with Toppin, but Bertans at 18 isn't the worst value.
RE: I'd  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 15052037 Jon in NYC said:
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much rather be the team paying Bertans 18 mil than Randle 22.


Well, that goes without saying. Haha
RE: Bertans  
UGADawgs7 : 11/20/2020 9:59 am : link
In comment 15052031 DanMetroMan said:
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Wants 18 per, well worth it


I would much rather sign Bertans as a starting SF if Barrett is SG, who is a 3 pt sniper and 6’10”. Especially if he plays 30-35 minutes a game as a starter. Is his defense good? It’s a lot better to pay him $16-$20M per year vs Hayward at $25M per year.
i cant imagine that he is a good defender at SF....  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 10:02 am : link
but im not really sure. People literally only talk about how he shoots, lol. Id be ok with adding him, if he can play SF. Now if Hayward clocks in at 25 id much rather him for 7 mill more. He is a better player and fits a bit better.
Bertans is putrid defensively  
Strahan91 : 11/20/2020 10:06 am : link
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Don't like Bertans much  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 10:07 am : link
Really one dimensional and a bad defender. Bad rebounder for 6'10". Elite shooter but I don't think he does enough other things to be a big part of your cap space. He's gotta be more of a role player, IMO so 18M is too much for me.
RE: I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 15051938 Heisenberg said:
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He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.


A guy with his string of injuries wants guaranteed years, not just single years with a balloon salary.
.  
Strahan91 : 11/20/2020 10:52 am : link
“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix
Just offer Hayward  
djm : 11/20/2020 11:04 am : link
2 big years with a team option year 3.
.  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 11:06 am : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
Yahoo Sources: The Houston Rockets and Orlando Magic had discussed a trade featuring Russell Westbrook for a package centered around Aaron Gordon, but talks never progressed.
RE: .  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 15052128 Strahan91 said:
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“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix

RE: RE: .  
UGADawgs7 : 11/20/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 15052151 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 15052128 Strahan91 said:


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“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix




That’d be solid news if true, and nothing against Westbrook
RE: .  
adamg : 11/20/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 15052128 Strahan91 said:
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“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix


That's the right move.
Great  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 11:10 am : link
news about Russ.

Still have no idea what they plan to do at PG.
my $.02 -  
Del Shofner : 11/20/2020 11:12 am : link
get a veteran PG other than Westbrook - FVV would be great, but Augustine would be fine. And get another defensive minded 5 - don't see that we have Mitch's backup (or the starter for whom he's the backup) on the roster yet. Don't particularly want to see Randle at the 5 but right now I think we will unless we land someone else who can play the position.

Forget Hayward, Melo etc. Any vets other than FVV should be on relatively short contracts, no more than 2 years.
Ed  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 11:13 am : link
Davis is the likely backup to Mitch.

I think there's a pretty decent chance FVV underperforms on his next contract. I'm not thrilled about throwing a ton of money at him, but I'm not thrilled about a one year stopgap of DJ Augustin either.
PG  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2020 11:17 am : link
We will get one for some combo of future picks. Too many teams have an excess right now. My question is can RJ guard the two? Haywood would have to guard the 3. Not sure RJ is quick enough.
My bet is that FVV goes back to Toronto or  
Stu11 : 11/20/2020 11:28 am : link
Some contender we're not even thinking off swoops in, clears out cap space and signs him.
Macri  
DanMetroMan : 11/20/2020 1:51 pm : link
Is hinting he’s hearing buzz about Hayward 3 for 70
RE: Macri  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15052314 DanMetroMan said:
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Is hinting he’s hearing buzz about Hayward 3 for 70


That's a pretty good number, IMO
Interesting. Not sure why he would do that.  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 1:58 pm : link
That can't be different from what a couple other teams could offer and I would think that NY would not be the most enticing team for him.
there are very few teams with capspace....  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 2:00 pm : link
and BOS might not be interested in figuring out a S&T
Macri needs to hit on one of these  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 2:05 pm : link
before heading into Incarcerated Bob territory.
I still think  
Enzo : 11/20/2020 2:16 pm : link
Hayward is just using the Knicks to get more out of some other team like the Pacers or whatever...
RE: I still think  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15052337 Enzo said:
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Hayward is just using the Knicks to get more out of some other team like the Pacers or whatever...


It has been known to happen, lol
RE: Macri needs to hit on one of these  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15052331 bceagle05 said:
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before heading into Incarcerated Bob territory.


Starting to feel this way too. A little too much gossip not enough facts.
well hopefully this new FO...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 2:50 pm : link
just set an amount and said here you go. Dont let him use us to bid against ourselves or bid up someone else. If anything you would think Rose knows how this part works.
I'll believe the Knicks signing a desired player when it happens  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2020 3:16 pm : link
Not a moment sooner. Amare is the only one since, what, Allen Houston? Not gonna get my hopes up.
Where is  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2020 3:34 pm : link
Bernard King?
RE: Where is  
Semipro Lineman : 11/20/2020 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15052454 Carl in CT said:
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Bernard King?


And the return of Tim Hardaway Jr. as well
Age wise and position wise, VanVleet should be the first choice  
Ira : 11/20/2020 3:41 pm : link
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RE: I'll believe the Knicks signing a desired player when it happens  
Enzo : 11/20/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15052425 Greg from LI said:
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Not a moment sooner. Amare is the only one since, what, Allen Houston? Not gonna get my hopes up.

Tyson Chandler. It was a sign-and-trade...but there were several teams trying to get him.
Where is  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
Bernard King?
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