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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:24 am
27 and 38 for 23. Per Woj.. take Bane or Flynn at 23
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seems like..  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 5:44 pm : link
the obsession with power forwards continues, but I do like Davis.

They must move Randle or buy him out.
I imagine  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 5:45 pm : link
we got an asset to take on Davis.
i mean its not really an obsession for this FO...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:47 pm : link
we currently have Mitch, Randle, and Obi as "Bigs". I mean we were going to get a PF or two as the offseason went on, ha.

But yeah if we arent getting an asset for taking Davis this is a bad start to FA/Trade season.
we are loving those 2023 seconds..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:47 pm : link

Adrian Wojnarowski
The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell
@WindhorstESPN
and me.
Well that works  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:48 pm : link
The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell @WindhorstESPN and me.
3- 2nds in 2023  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:49 pm : link
Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts
Love  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2020 5:49 pm : link
it. He probably takes Taj's spot.
RE: we are loving those 2023 seconds..  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15051644 Italianju said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski
The Utah Jazz are trading Ed Davis and two 2023 second-round picks to the New York Knicks, sources tell
@WindhorstESPN
and me.


We're going to own the second round of 2023!
This is a dumb move right now....  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:50 pm : link
you get 2 second round picks 2 years from now to waste 5 mill in capspace the day before FA starts. And i mean Davis is 31 its not like they think he has untapped potential.

Boy im really trying to stick to my not crush this FO for a yaer and it did work out mostly ok last night when i didnt kill them for the trade up from 27 and then they essentially turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 for free. But unless they needed these seconds for a different deal, i dont get it.
RE: 3- 2nds in 2023  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15051646 larryflower37 said:
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Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts


4. 4 second round picks in 2023 altogether in the "double draft"
And im not killing the value...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:51 pm : link
just the timing. I dont get making the trade the day before FA. Like how do we know we wont need that 5 mill. I mean i guess maybe they know they arent going to be on any big money guys, so maybe it doesnt matter.
It's $5M, it's not going to hamper anything they plan to do in FA  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 5:51 pm : link
Also for all we know Randle is on the move elsewhere
RE: This is a dumb move right now....  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15051650 Italianju said:
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you get 2 second round picks 2 years from now to waste 5 mill in capspace the day before FA starts. And i mean Davis is 31 its not like they think he has untapped potential.

Boy im really trying to stick to my not crush this FO for a yaer and it did work out mostly ok last night when i didnt kill them for the trade up from 27 and then they essentially turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 for free. But unless they needed these seconds for a different deal, i dont get it.


I'm not understanding the hostility. This FO knows what they want to do. Do you really think they are dumb enough to take on $5 mil now and go after a FA and lose out because they were $5 mil short? Come on.
RE: RE: 3- 2nds in 2023  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15051652 Anakim said:
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In comment 15051646 larryflower37 said:


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Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts



4. 4 second round picks in 2023 altogether in the "double draft"


What double draft? I keep seeing this being said but nothing has been agreed upon. And from what I read there is a stalemate and will not happen. Maybe I am not up to date but that is the last I saw as the most current.
I wonder what the Knicks gave up  
Mike in NY : 11/19/2020 5:55 pm : link
Ed Davis sounds like a good locker room guy and if we were not going to use that $5M in cap room anyway an expiring contract for a bench player is better than spending it on some PG who had a handful of good games.
So they have  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:55 pm : link
2 firsts in 2023 and 4-2nds ?
Always helpful to build up picks.
ok dumb move was a stretch....  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:56 pm : link
just dont really see the value in second rounders at this point in the offseason. This is the start of FA, maybe a desperate team will give more for our capspace. But again if we know we arent going for any big salaried guys then we have plenty more capspace to rent out.

If it was a first id be thrilled.
unless Rose has some inside info...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:57 pm : link
the double draft would be a risky thing to plan on. Sounds like its 50 to 50 to ever happen.

Always good to have extra picks, that part i def like.
RE: ok dumb move was a stretch....  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15051659 Italianju said:
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just dont really see the value in second rounders at this point in the offseason. This is the start of FA, maybe a desperate team will give more for our capspace. But again if we know we arent going for any big salaried guys then we have plenty more capspace to rent out.

If it was a first id be thrilled.


But isn't that the point of taking in "bad contracts"? It has to be done now for 1 year contracts. We shouldn't be taking on multiple year guys. It should be 1 year contracts and the purpose of that is so teams have money to spend in FA hence the timing.
RE: unless Rose has some inside info...  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15051660 Italianju said:
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the double draft would be a risky thing to plan on. Sounds like its 50 to 50 to ever happen.

Always good to have extra picks, that part i def like.

I thought the double draft was 2022 if at all?
if they know they arent gonna get (or they dont want)  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 5:59 pm : link
guys like Hayward and FVV then im fine making 5 more trades like this. Sure we will suck again next year, but at least we can accumulate assets, save cap flexibility and hopefully get some improvements from the kids with a new FO and coaching staff

RE: RE: RE: 3- 2nds in 2023  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15051656 robbieballs2003 said:
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Gives them freedom to move up in the next couple drafts



4. 4 second round picks in 2023 altogether in the "double draft"



What double draft? I keep seeing this being said but nothing has been agreed upon. And from what I read there is a stalemate and will not happen. Maybe I am not up to date but that is the last I saw as the most current.


TBH, I'm not sure, but I came across this on Twitter:

"This most recent agreement started with the 2017–18 season and will run through 2023–24, with a mutual opt-out AFTER 2022–23. The plan would be for high schoolers to re-enter in the 2023 Draft."


But yeah, I'm essentially parroting what others are saying about high schoolers and about the double draft
RE: RE: unless Rose has some inside info...  
robbieballs2003 : 11/19/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15051663 larryflower37 said:
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the double draft would be a risky thing to plan on. Sounds like its 50 to 50 to ever happen.

Always good to have extra picks, that part i def like.


I thought the double draft was 2022 if at all?


From the most recent news I could find, 2022 will not happen. 2023 is possible but the stalemate is something like the NBA wants full medicals and the union and agents said hell no. Until there is a breakthrough there the double draft is not happening.
What  
ripdumaine : 11/19/2020 6:03 pm : link
Did we give up for Davis?
we didnt give up anything for Davis..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:04 pm : link
UTA needed to save money.

So if im looking at this right we have....  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:08 pm : link
2021 - 2 1st, 3 2nd
2022 - Just our 1st
2023 - 2 1st, 4 2nd

Not exactly OKC but not bad at all
Davis thing is a nice move  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:09 pm : link
You never know when those 2nds might come into play as trade filler or whatnot.
i feel like there was a stretch...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:10 pm : link
where we didnt have a second round pick for years, lol. Now we have 7 in the next 3 drafts.
Ed Davis is a CAA client  
ghost718 : 11/19/2020 6:12 pm : link
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The big thing for me is does the team have a cohesive strategy?  
NoGainDayne : 11/19/2020 6:13 pm : link
Rose for the first time in a while looks like a guy in charge that does.

It fits with who he is as well, which is more encouraging. He seems to be looking to just get value out of moves and want to stockpile assets with value. I wouldn't expect us to give us much value for Randle as he could have potential value as a trade deadline expiring or a piece in a 3 way deal.

To me taking on $5M in salary seems like good value for 2 second rounders. Also to those confused with the move on draft night with our 2nd rounder could easily be a strategy to maximize around a strategy fork in 2023. Either you can be a FA destination with RJ and Mitch as a core or you dump everyone for whatever you can get and reload with a new core all at once.

IMO what I'd expect to see with Hayward if this is the thinking is either a 2 year max deal or a longer term non max deal. If it is a longer max deal as other have noted Hayward is the kind of guy that fits alongside any star so he isn't a bad foundational player to bring in if in your estimation you have to scrape the bottom and take on some risk to bring in a "first star" FA.
i get theyve tortured us forever  
JJ2525 : 11/19/2020 6:13 pm : link
but the way people hate on everything they do is crazy. people lost there minds about swapping seconds last night, some people complained today about keeping bullock for 4m and now complaining about getting picks to take on ed davis. to me, these moves show me this FO actually knows how to start building. theyre accumulating assets and also have a decent 3-and-d guy with a serviceable backup big for $9m total. last year we were giving out 10-12m each for these type of guys. you have to field a team and have some locker room stabilizers with all the youth. to me theyre doing that at reasonable prices while also grabbing some picks.
zero chance id give up any assets to move...  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:17 pm : link
randle, unless we really needed to. I dont want him stunting the growth of Toppin but at worst you let him play out the year and let him walk. Id really like to swap him for a guy that fits a bit better. I think sending him to CHA for Cody Zeller kind of makes sense for both teams. CHA gets offense and we get a backup 5.
To be fair..  
Italianju : 11/19/2020 6:19 pm : link
i walked back my "dumb move" comment and i think im the only one who said it was a dumb move. I still think the timing is a bit ehh, but everyone can calm down, i took it back, lol.
Can someone please  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2020 6:19 pm : link
Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?
RE: Can someone please  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15051683 UGADawgs7 said:
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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?


Probably sending Ante Tomic back. Haha
RE: Can someone please  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15051683 UGADawgs7 said:
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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?


Since it's a salary dump for utah, not much. It hasn't been reported yet though. Here is speculation:

"My guess is that the Ed Davis deal is a salary dump, a pick will be going out, and it's either Louis Labeyrie, Ognjen Jaramaz, or Yusuf Sanon coming back — those are the guys the Knicks still have the draft rights to. "
Trade  
31southst : 11/19/2020 6:25 pm : link
Probably a top 55 protected pick or maybe the rights to that 31 yr one euro they just got.
Dolan won't be satisfied until an earthquake swallows MSG  
ghost718 : 11/19/2020 6:28 pm : link
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RE: RE: Can someone please  
TheMick7 : 11/19/2020 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15051686 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?

Knicks get 2 2023 2nd round picks for taking on Davis' $5M contract. They now have 2 #1's & 4 #2's in what has been labeled the"double draft" as HS players will be coming out.Davis will replace Gibson as Mitch's backup!Smart move by Leon!



Since it's a salary dump for utah, not much. It hasn't been reported yet though. Here is speculation:

"My guess is that the Ed Davis deal is a salary dump, a pick will be going out, and it's either Louis Labeyrie, Ognjen Jaramaz, or Yusuf Sanon coming back — those are the guys the Knicks still have the draft rights to. "
RE: RE: Can someone please  
Anakim : 11/19/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 15051686 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15051683 UGADawgs7 said:


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Comment on what NYK gave up for Ed Davis? I saw that there was nothing given up but they’d have to have given up at least a contract or a future pick?



Since it's a salary dump for utah, not much. It hasn't been reported yet though. Here is speculation:

"My guess is that the Ed Davis deal is a salary dump, a pick will be going out, and it's either Louis Labeyrie, Ognjen Jaramaz, or Yusuf Sanon coming back — those are the guys the Knicks still have the draft rights to. "



Noooo. Not Loose Labia!
Speculation  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 6:36 pm : link
That Westbrook is going to happen...
RE: Speculation  
nygiants16 : 11/19/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...


There is a trainer on twitter apparently big name trainer saying something big is about to go down involving the Knicks
RE: Speculation  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...


What's worse? Westbrook on his deal or multi-years for Hayward?
RE: Speculation  
Pete44 : 11/19/2020 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...


Where is this speculation?
RE: RE: Speculation  
Enzo : 11/19/2020 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15051697 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...



What's worse? Westbrook on his deal or multi-years for Hayward?

Westbrook would be way worse.
Well I enjoyed last night at least.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 6:51 pm : link
Malik Beasley is a guy I’ve wanted the Knicks to steal for two years now. Legal troubles have soured me a bit though — not exactly a culture guy.
RE: RE: RE: Speculation  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15051699 Enzo said:
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In comment 15051693 DanMetroMan said:


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That Westbrook is going to happen...



What's worse? Westbrook on his deal or multi-years for Hayward?


Westbrook would be way worse.

Westbrook at 44 million means we would have to move Randle, Frank & DSJ
Hayward at 4 years 120 million is probably worse
Both have injury history.
Hayward isn't getting 4/$120M  
Strahan91 : 11/19/2020 6:56 pm : link
More likely is something like 3/60 or 4/80, give or take a a couple million in AAV
Looks like MSG is airing “Knicks Report w/Leon Rose” tonight at 8pm.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2020 6:59 pm : link
I’m guessing it’s new, but don’t know for sure.
RE: RE: Speculation  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15051698 Pete44 said:
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That Westbrook is going to happen...



Where is this speculation?


Dave Zenon for one. He’s an NBA trainer
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