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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 9:24 am
27 and 38 for 23. Per Woj.. take Bane or Flynn at 23
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I dont know if Celtics would  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:03 am : link
but if Hayward agrees to sign with Knicks, would you do Randle, Knox or frank, future 1st in a sign and trade?
Don't want Melo back under any circumstances  
Chris L. : 11/20/2020 8:03 am : link
Please go in another direction!
id only do that for Hayward...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 8:08 am : link
if we had a specific other move lined up (not even sure what that would be). Otherwise Seems like a hefty price to pay just to dump Randle right? Thats essentially what your doing there, trading Knox or Frank and a first to trade one year of Randle?
RE: id only do that for Hayward...  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:09 am : link
In comment 15051923 Italianju said:
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if we had a specific other move lined up (not even sure what that would be). Otherwise Seems like a hefty price to pay just to dump Randle right? Thats essentially what your doing there, trading Knox or Frank and a first to trade one year of Randle?


Yeah basically leaves you still with 33 million in space roughly if Hayward took 3 years at 25 million, can go after FVV and presumably still have 10 million to fill out roster
I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 8:29 am : link
He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.
RE: I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
Gmen88 : 11/20/2020 8:32 am : link
In comment 15051938 Heisenberg said:
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He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.


I agree. Only thing I'm thinking is maybe 30 per for 3 years makes him feel more secure than one year of 34 and then 20ish potentially after that.
RE: I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:34 am : link
In comment 15051938 Heisenberg said:
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He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.


if you get a 3 year or 4 year deal he is making more money, plus only 2 teams on the market with enough cap space..

Sign and trades with a cap strapped team at that price is hard to do..
and lets be real Hayward already has a deal lined up  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:35 am : link
he is not opting out without a deal lined up and if he did he should fire his agent..

Same thing happened with Horford last year, Boston media said he didnt have a deal lined up and truth was he did
i dont think Hayward is getting 30 per...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 8:37 am : link
but im guessing he is around 25 for 3 years. Still makes a ton of sense for him. Gets 40 mill guaranteed in a time when we still dont know if we will get a full season, fans in the stands, etc...

Yeah the only way id consider that for Randle is if you were getting FVV and even then i think its a kinda steep price.

I think he wants to go to Indiana  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 8:37 am : link
and they have talked about a sign and trade. Personally, I think the best fit for him and the celtics in a sign and trade would be GSW. He'd work really well there.

If he just signed as a FA straight, I'm not sure why NYK would be a draw for him unless they totally blew ATL out of the water.
RE: i dont think Hayward is getting 30 per...  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 15051945 Italianju said:
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but im guessing he is around 25 for 3 years. Still makes a ton of sense for him. Gets 40 mill guaranteed in a time when we still dont know if we will get a full season, fans in the stands, etc...

Yeah the only way id consider that for Randle is if you were getting FVV and even then i think its a kinda steep price.


I'll take the over :)
GSW...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 8:44 am : link
have pretty much no way to make a S&T work unless BOS is dying to get Wiggins, im assuming they arent.

RE: I dont know if Celtics would  
TyreeHelmet : 11/20/2020 9:17 am : link
In comment 15051918 nygiants16 said:
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but if Hayward agrees to sign with Knicks, would you do Randle, Knox or frank, future 1st in a sign and trade?


Can't do that trade.
RE: GSW...  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 9:18 am : link
In comment 15051954 Italianju said:
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have pretty much no way to make a S&T work unless BOS is dying to get Wiggins, im assuming they arent.

I was thinking they would be agreeable in taking Wiggins as a salary dump in order to get Wiseman.
RE: RE: GSW...  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 9:19 am : link
In comment 15051985 Bill L said:
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have pretty much no way to make a S&T work unless BOS is dying to get Wiggins, im assuming they arent.



I was thinking they would be agreeable in taking Wiggins as a salary dump in order to get Wiseman.


They are over luxury tax, they cant do it
Bertans  
DanMetroMan : 11/20/2020 9:53 am : link
Wants 18 per, well worth it
RE: Bertans  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 9:55 am : link
In comment 15052031 DanMetroMan said:
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Wants 18 per, well worth it



Not from us
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 9:56 am : link
much rather be the team paying Bertans 18 mil than Randle 22.

Probably not a fit anymore with Toppin, but Bertans at 18 isn't the worst value.
RE: I'd  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 15052037 Jon in NYC said:
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much rather be the team paying Bertans 18 mil than Randle 22.


Well, that goes without saying. Haha
RE: Bertans  
UGADawgs7 : 11/20/2020 9:59 am : link
In comment 15052031 DanMetroMan said:
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Wants 18 per, well worth it


I would much rather sign Bertans as a starting SF if Barrett is SG, who is a 3 pt sniper and 6’10”. Especially if he plays 30-35 minutes a game as a starter. Is his defense good? It’s a lot better to pay him $16-$20M per year vs Hayward at $25M per year.
i cant imagine that he is a good defender at SF....  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 10:02 am : link
but im not really sure. People literally only talk about how he shoots, lol. Id be ok with adding him, if he can play SF. Now if Hayward clocks in at 25 id much rather him for 7 mill more. He is a better player and fits a bit better.
Bertans is putrid defensively  
Strahan91 : 11/20/2020 10:06 am : link
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Don't like Bertans much  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 10:07 am : link
Really one dimensional and a bad defender. Bad rebounder for 6'10". Elite shooter but I don't think he does enough other things to be a big part of your cap space. He's gotta be more of a role player, IMO so 18M is too much for me.
RE: I find it hard to think that Hayward opted out of 34M to take 25M per  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 15051938 Heisenberg said:
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He probably knows he can get more than that from another team or he'd take the extra dough and be a FA next year.


A guy with his string of injuries wants guaranteed years, not just single years with a balloon salary.
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Strahan91 : 11/20/2020 10:52 am : link
“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix
Just offer Hayward  
djm : 11/20/2020 11:04 am : link
2 big years with a team option year 3.
.  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 11:06 am : link
Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
Yahoo Sources: The Houston Rockets and Orlando Magic had discussed a trade featuring Russell Westbrook for a package centered around Aaron Gordon, but talks never progressed.
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bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 15052128 Strahan91 said:
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“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix

RE: RE: .  
UGADawgs7 : 11/20/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 15052151 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 15052128 Strahan91 said:


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“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix




That’d be solid news if true, and nothing against Westbrook
RE: .  
adamg : 11/20/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 15052128 Strahan91 said:
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“The Knicks have not engaged—Westbrook is not a priority for New York,” per
@SIChrisMannix


That's the right move.
Great  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 11:10 am : link
news about Russ.

Still have no idea what they plan to do at PG.
my $.02 -  
Del Shofner : 11/20/2020 11:12 am : link
get a veteran PG other than Westbrook - FVV would be great, but Augustine would be fine. And get another defensive minded 5 - don't see that we have Mitch's backup (or the starter for whom he's the backup) on the roster yet. Don't particularly want to see Randle at the 5 but right now I think we will unless we land someone else who can play the position.

Forget Hayward, Melo etc. Any vets other than FVV should be on relatively short contracts, no more than 2 years.
Ed  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 11:13 am : link
Davis is the likely backup to Mitch.

I think there's a pretty decent chance FVV underperforms on his next contract. I'm not thrilled about throwing a ton of money at him, but I'm not thrilled about a one year stopgap of DJ Augustin either.
PG  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2020 11:17 am : link
We will get one for some combo of future picks. Too many teams have an excess right now. My question is can RJ guard the two? Haywood would have to guard the 3. Not sure RJ is quick enough.
My bet is that FVV goes back to Toronto or  
Stu11 : 11/20/2020 11:28 am : link
Some contender we're not even thinking off swoops in, clears out cap space and signs him.
Macri  
DanMetroMan : 11/20/2020 1:51 pm : link
Is hinting he’s hearing buzz about Hayward 3 for 70
RE: Macri  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15052314 DanMetroMan said:
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Is hinting he’s hearing buzz about Hayward 3 for 70


That's a pretty good number, IMO
Interesting. Not sure why he would do that.  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 1:58 pm : link
That can't be different from what a couple other teams could offer and I would think that NY would not be the most enticing team for him.
there are very few teams with capspace....  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 2:00 pm : link
and BOS might not be interested in figuring out a S&T
Macri needs to hit on one of these  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 2:05 pm : link
before heading into Incarcerated Bob territory.
I still think  
Enzo : 11/20/2020 2:16 pm : link
Hayward is just using the Knicks to get more out of some other team like the Pacers or whatever...
RE: I still think  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15052337 Enzo said:
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Hayward is just using the Knicks to get more out of some other team like the Pacers or whatever...


It has been known to happen, lol
RE: Macri needs to hit on one of these  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15052331 bceagle05 said:
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before heading into Incarcerated Bob territory.


Starting to feel this way too. A little too much gossip not enough facts.
well hopefully this new FO...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 2:50 pm : link
just set an amount and said here you go. Dont let him use us to bid against ourselves or bid up someone else. If anything you would think Rose knows how this part works.
I'll believe the Knicks signing a desired player when it happens  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2020 3:16 pm : link
Not a moment sooner. Amare is the only one since, what, Allen Houston? Not gonna get my hopes up.
Where is  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2020 3:34 pm : link
Bernard King?
RE: Where is  
Semipro Lineman : 11/20/2020 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15052454 Carl in CT said:
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Bernard King?


And the return of Tim Hardaway Jr. as well
Age wise and position wise, VanVleet should be the first choice  
Ira : 11/20/2020 3:41 pm : link
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RE: I'll believe the Knicks signing a desired player when it happens  
Enzo : 11/20/2020 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15052425 Greg from LI said:
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Not a moment sooner. Amare is the only one since, what, Allen Houston? Not gonna get my hopes up.

Tyson Chandler. It was a sign-and-trade...but there were several teams trying to get him.
Where is  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2020 4:05 pm : link
Bernard King?
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