NFT: Knicks trade!

but I feel like you don't see teams looking to dump picks high in the second round for cash any more. You do see deals like that later in the second round....but that's where drafts usually become a wasteland.

Have a clear answer why teams trade/trade for the rights of players clearly not coming to the NBA ? Every year we see random 37 year old Euro/African players rights traded. Is there some sort of money exchanged by doing so? I never understood this.

42nd and 46th picks were traded for cash. And the 39th and 44th picks were traded for cash and "future second rounder"

It is a strange move, but I think we are looking into it too much.

I think to me it is an indication of what we spoke about yesterday.

The Knicks have settled on Vassell or Okoro at #8 and want to make sure they get one of the cluster at PGs later (Maledon, Flynn, Terry and Pritchard). Perhaps, they thought 4 spots made the difference.

Obviously not the case here but sometimes teams use rights because of the rule something has to be traded and you cannot just trade someone something for nothing (i.e., a salary dump) - more common is the top 55 protected 2nd for this purpose.

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im going to trust this FO. So im guessing Rose has a reason for doing this now. Maybe UTA had another offer from a team, maybe this is part of another trade, maybe a team offered us the 40th pick for money and we figured we can easily replace 38, etc...

Yeah, I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt too, for at least one offseason. Excited to see what happens later. But somewhat nervous as well. I'm hoping Rose isn't pulling out all the stops for LaMela.

In comment 15049723 Pete44 said:

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It is a strange move, but I think we are looking into it too much. I think to me it is an indication of what we spoke about yesterday. The Knicks have settled on Vassell or Okoro at #8 and want to make sure they get one of the cluster at PGs later (Maledon, Flynn, Terry and Pritchard). Perhaps, they thought 4 spots made the difference.

Still doesnt make sense to do the deal now, you wait til 23 then make the trade, what happens if all those players you like are gone?

Might be in the Anthony range also.

according to stein

But it's the best they could do at this moment

Vassell or Okoro at 8...I have a hard time even typing it.I think they should be aiming higher.

But then I remembered it's the Knicks. Trade up in the late first round of a draft before the draft starts. Regardless of how it turns it out it's a classic Knicks move and just when I thought nothing they could do would surprise me.

Thibs wants okoro

tells me Ainge is trying "every angle" to land Harden.

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Thibs wants okoro

It’s his Jimmy Butler clone

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But it's the best they could do at this moment Vassell or Okoro at 8...I have a hard time even typing it.I think they should be aiming higher.

Ghost - Im with you, I hate either of those picks.

be offering? I cant imagine they are offering brown and without him i see zero way they get into the top 3

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In comment 15049738 arniefez said:

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But then I remembered it's the Knicks. Trade up in the late first round of a draft before the draft starts. Regardless of how it turns it out it's a classic Knicks move and just when I thought nothing they could do would surprise me.

its not a bad mpve just odd timing...

so even if it turns out good it is a bad move?

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be offering? I cant imagine they are offering brown and without him i see zero way they get into the top 3

What if they did Hayward and their 3 firsts (with Hayward agreeing to an extension with GS) and took back Wiggins with #2? That's the only thing I can think of. Would probably also take a future first or two to get it done.

In comment 15049742 Earl the goat said:

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In comment 15049739 Earl the goat said: Quote: Thibs wants okoro It’s his Jimmy Butler clone

Jimmy Butler "clone" doesn't fall to 8 in a poor draft. He has some Butler similarities.

could make some sense.

In comment 15049738 arniefez said:

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But then I remembered it's the Knicks. Trade up in the late first round of a draft before the draft starts. Regardless of how it turns it out it's a classic Knicks move and just when I thought nothing they could do would surprise me.

We know NOTHING about this new front office other than that they all have OUTSTANDING reputations. What Isiah Thomas or Phil Jackson or Steve Mills did has ZERO to do with this FO team.

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Rumors: the T’Wolves don’t want #1. They could move back for Obi, or take Wiseman and trade him later. The Cavs want Obi too. The Hornets and Spurs want Wiseman. Ball to Hornets over Big O, if they can't get Wiseman. Williams to Pistons. Vassell or Achiuwa to Wizards... #nbadraft

In comment 15049739 Earl the goat said:

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Thibs wants okoro

I like him, but who’s going to spread the floor? The fit with Barrett is questionable.

a bit more than Okoro but if not Kira Lewis, either of those wing defenders would be welcome

Its like the knicks are going out of there way to make sure they have no shooting. You will not win in this league with 3 or 4 of your starters being bad shooters. Okoro just doesnt make sense to me.

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being available for cash.

Exactamundo!

Adrian Wojnarowski
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Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.

yeah well duh (aimed at Woj, not you)

or might just be connected the same dots we are

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or might just be connected the same dots we are

He knows, he has a relationship with Rose

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Its like the knicks are going out of there way to make sure they have no shooting. You will not win in this league with 3 or 4 of your starters being bad shooters. Okoro just doesnt make sense to me.

Yep. Don't want him for precisely that reason. Either get a point guard or a guy who can shoot. Hayes or Lewis if they want a point, Vassell if they want a shooter.

I didn't refresh the thread. So to me that basically means the Knicks will be trading up. LaMelo 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

to 8.

I guess it could be Toppin, which would be annoying. My hope is it's for Hayes.

gets them to a top 3 pick. They'd either need to add player(s) or future picks.

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In comment 15049624 Enzo said: Quote: to do this now as opposed to during the draft. Yup, unless they are using 8 and 23 to move up, or using 23 for another player?

That was my thoughts too. Or, they literally did the math and know for (99%) certain a player they like will definitely be at 23. Seems far fetched but i guess it's possible?

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn Moving up four spots to No. 23 strengthens the Knicks ability to package that and No. 8 to target a pick/player above them on the board tonight.

that assumes 23 has more value than 27 and 38....and even if that's true, why does Utah do the deal?

and 8 does not get you into the top 3, let's be realistic.

i dont see how 8 and 23 get you top 3. Maybe GSW love Julius Randle and want Randle, 8 and 23 (LOL!!!).

But im thinking this more gets you to the 5 range which seems like Toppin. Cant understand essentially using 8, 27 and 38 to get Toppin.

been addressed 20 times already.

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but I'd rather the Knicks stay at #8 and #23 instead of moving up.

I agree. In terms of why now, there could be several good (hopefully) reasons. After making inquiries, perhaps this was as low as they could get with the 27 and 38 and they didn't want to potentially lose the opportunity to another team as things heat up during the draft. It would imply that there are two players or more they are interested in and didn't want to miss out on by three places. Finally, there has been talk about the Knicks being willing to buy another pick. If so, it adds to the explanation of this move. Hope springs eternal.

that its not likely this is for a player they forecast as available at 23 but not at 27. More likely, its a sweeter asset to trade up from 8.

But another possibility is that they viewed it as a "free" upgrade from 27 to 23 given that they view 38 as very replaceable with a purcha$e of an early 2nd rounder.

Mike Vorkunov
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Maybe a trade like 8 + 23 to move up to No. 5 (and something else) could work if Cleveland likes that offer. Knicks seem to have some interest in Obi Toppin and Cavaliers have been projected as a landing spot for him in mock drafts.

wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...

for 4 and Carter seems like a steal for GSW if it happens.

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wouldn't expect...says the Bulls and Pistons like him enough...

this was posted on the new Draft Express mock:

"Some NBA executives believe the Knicks traded up from No. 27 to this spot to get ahead of Oklahoma City and ensure they land Stewart on draft night, though it's possible the Knicks attempt to package this pick to move up deeper into the top 10."

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Avdija? Like him and keeping quiet. Where would RJ fit?