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Offensive Line Coach Marc Colombo FIRED

Anando : 11/18/2020 12:13 pm
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The #Giants have fired offensive line coach Mark Colombo and are bringing in longtime NFL assistant Dave DeGuglielmo to replace him, per sources.
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RE: RE: Like most, if not everyone, I read this and first said WTF  
Matt M. : 11/18/2020 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15050657 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The OL is starting to play well, rookies are rounding out, etc. Then you read about Judge stepping in and assisting in coaching, and Thomas reverting back to his college technique and it answers a lot.

So WTF changed to good for Judge. I still don't know how to feel about this team right now, but the last few weeks are the first time in a few years I have felt good about the future of this team. Even after McAdoo's fist year, I didn't feel confident in the team. Right now, I do. Judge is in full control and holding everyone accountable. It's great.

As for Thomas, I remember a few weeks back his college coach was quoted about him not doing what they taught him and what made him a first round pick. So, what I haven't seen here (maybe I missed it) is what made him go back to his Georgia technique? Was it on his own? Did that interview with the Georgia coach make an impact? Is that Judge's doing also?



All this crap came from Paul Alexander who has a major ax to grind with Columbo. Who knew offensive line coaches were all a bunch of Mary’s?

This all comes to the fact Judge had to work with the offensive line, wanted to bring in an assistant, Columbo took it like the asshole he apparently is, and Judge fired him because their relationship was over. All this stuff about his “Georgia technique” is a bunch of unsubstantiated fluff. That Bobby Skinner guy has broken this down.
How is unsubstantiated? The coach at Georgia is the one who commented on the technique being different a few weeks ago and him using the Ga. technique now. He's not a reliable source?
RE: RE: If true,kinda sneaky by Judge  
Ralph.C : 11/18/2020 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15050052 Silver Spoon said:
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But hey,he's the best 3-7 coach in the league




According to some, he’s leading them to a super bowl....:this year!!


That would be me. lol
Cutting through the BS and the noise  
D HOS : 11/18/2020 11:51 pm : link
Here is what I think we have learned.

Columbo is liked by his players, is probably a decent OL coach (past resume) but our young roster needed more help, evidenced by Judge stepping to help out and that having a positive effect. Possibly Judge wasn't in full agreement with the coaching style, techniques being taught.

We assume that the help that was needed wasn't something that could come from assistant position coaches, they already have those - it needed another top level guy.

So Judge efficiently went back to DeGuglielmo, his still unemployed 2nd choice OL coach candidate and asked him to come in and help out. It seems pretty clear this was not discussed with Columbo before, which is maybe a little bit disrespectful but also could indicate that Judge, knowing Columbo, foresaw that such a conversation would not be productive and had already made up his mind about bringing in DeGuglielmo.

So then Judge tells Columbo about it and he flips his shit & calls Judge some nasty words. Even though this is apparently is in character for Columbo, Judge don't play that, so Judge fires him. The new guy is the now interim OL position coach.

I have no questions about this.

Though I am slightly curious if Judge could have weathered the outrage from Columbo and talked him around. I assume there was more to it than that (wrong techniques, not on the same page...) so that wasn't really an option once it got to the name-calling. I don't really care that much about this point. It's Judge's business and he handled it.
guys  
Platos : 11/18/2020 11:52 pm : link
paul alexander isn't a coach at UGA, Thomas was at his cmap or something

also i think the 4 letter C word is CUNT. its CUNT guys.
tl;dr version  
D HOS : 11/18/2020 11:52 pm : link
You play happy music during Judge's presser...
You get the pissed off Dad treatment.

You call Judge a &@#^*!$
Your ass is fired.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Kim Jones latest tweet about this  
chopperhatch : 11/19/2020 3:35 am : link
In comment 15050550 bw in dc said:
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Really? Because a football coach called another football coach a bad name? Isn’t that par for the course these days? He felt undermined, got upset. End of career?



I don't know if it's "par for the course".

Colombo called his boss the four letter C-word. That seems way over the top to me...even for football.


Lmao
RE: RE: From Raanan over at ESPN...  
section125 : 11/19/2020 5:17 am : link
In comment 15050768 PatersonPlank said:
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Another source added that the hands-on Judge wanted to bring in "one of his guys" to capture more control at a position that is not his expertise.



Assuming this is true, how do we unpack this?

Does this confirm that Judge let Garrett make the call on Colombo? And know Judge is pulling rank and making the move for "his guy"...?



I'm thinking that bringing on DD as an assistant was the first move in replacing Colombo. He gets all the players used to him, learns the players and schemes, reports all going on to Judge, then Judge lets Colombo go at the end of the season. Colombo saw it coming and blew up.


Yeah, I think you are correct. For whatever reason, Judge was not overall happy with Colombo. Wanted to bring DD in and then after the season let MC go and elevate DD to OL coach from assistant. Colombo read the writing on the all.

The Giants have an assistant OL coach already, so bringing DD seems superfluous. But if true that Judge needed to take a hands on approach with the line, then he was right to bring in DD. Doing this on the bye week also allows this to happen with most of the team away and out of earshot.
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Peppers : 11/19/2020 6:20 am : link
What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.

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section125 : 11/19/2020 6:33 am : link
In comment 15051088 Peppers said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.


Thanks.
Um...he called him the C-word.  
LBH15 : 11/19/2020 6:57 am : link
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Columbo yell that word to Judge at 31 Flavors last night.

I guess it's pretty serious.
The O Line  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/19/2020 7:22 am : link
Has been shit all year. Just because the last 2 weeks they have been slightly better... slightly better than shit is still shit.

The run blocking has gotten better, but the pass protection is horrid.

You see the stats from last week, that when well protected, Jones was 18-18 in passing.

No brainer that the OL needs to perform better. Especially pass protection.

Judge is beholden to noone... he wants it fixed.

I say GOOD!
RE: The O Line  
section125 : 11/19/2020 7:32 am : link
In comment 15051105 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Has been shit all year. Just because the last 2 weeks they have been slightly better... slightly better than shit is still shit.

The run blocking has gotten better, but the pass protection is horrid.

You see the stats from last week, that when well protected, Jones was 18-18 in passing.

No brainer that the OL needs to perform better. Especially pass protection.

Judge is beholden to noone... he wants it fixed.

I say GOOD!


noone? you mean no one? (two words)
RE: The O Line  
dslayton86 : 11/19/2020 7:32 am : link
In comment 15051105 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Has been shit all year. Just because the last 2 weeks they have been slightly better... slightly better than shit is still shit.

The run blocking has gotten better, but the pass protection is horrid.

You see the stats from last week, that when well protected, Jones was 18-18 in passing.

No brainer that the OL needs to perform better. Especially pass protection.

Judge is beholden to noone... he wants it fixed.

I say GOOD!


Agreed, good riddance to Colombo.
RE: RE: The O Line  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/19/2020 7:35 am : link
In comment 15051110 section125 said:
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Has been shit all year. Just because the last 2 weeks they have been slightly better... slightly better than shit is still shit.

The run blocking has gotten better, but the pass protection is horrid.

You see the stats from last week, that when well protected, Jones was 18-18 in passing.

No brainer that the OL needs to perform better. Especially pass protection.

Judge is beholden to noone... he wants it fixed.

I say GOOD!



noone? you mean no one? (two words)


hey, I got beholden right!
RE: Cutting through the BS and the noise  
Spider56 : 11/19/2020 7:40 am : link
In comment 15051052 D HOS said:
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Here is what I think we have learned.

Columbo is liked by his players, is probably a decent OL coach (past resume) but our young roster needed more help, evidenced by Judge stepping to help out and that having a positive effect. Possibly Judge wasn't in full agreement with the coaching style, techniques being taught.

We assume that the help that was needed wasn't something that could come from assistant position coaches, they already have those - it needed another top level guy.

So Judge efficiently went back to DeGuglielmo, his still unemployed 2nd choice OL coach candidate and asked him to come in and help out. It seems pretty clear this was not discussed with Columbo before, which is maybe a little bit disrespectful but also could indicate that Judge, knowing Columbo, foresaw that such a conversation would not be productive and had already made up his mind about bringing in DeGuglielmo.

So then Judge tells Columbo about it and he flips his shit & calls Judge some nasty words. Even though this is apparently is in character for Columbo, Judge don't play that, so Judge fires him. The new guy is the now interim OL position coach.

I have no questions about this.


I think you summed it up very well ... I’ll add again that the Giants have (4) rookies on the active roster, plus a 2nd year guy (Barton) who we know very little about, and (2) 3rd year guys (Gates and Will) who still have a way to grow. It was great idea to bring in another set of experienced hands to help and Colombo should have accepted it as an opportunity to learn more himself. Along with Zeitler, there is more talent on this OL than I’ve seen in forever.
RE: Coach DeGuglielmo's Resume  
johnnyb : 11/19/2020 7:44 am : link
In comment 15050080 montanagiant said:
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Boston College (1991–1992)
Graduate assistant
Boston University (1993–1996)
Assistant head coach & offensive line coach
Connecticut (1997–1998)
Offensive line coach
South Carolina (1999–2003)
Offensive line coach
New York Giants (2004–2008)
Assistant offensive line & quality control coach
Miami Dolphins (2009–2011)
Offensive line coach
New York Jets (2012)
Offensive line coach
New England Patriots (2014–2015)
Offensive line coach
San Diego Chargers (2016)
Assistant offensive line coach
Miami Dolphins (2017)
Offensive line coach
Indianapolis Colts (2018)
Offensive line coach
Miami Dolphins (2019)
Offensive line coach
New York Giants (2020–present)
Offensive line coach


I am guessing he rents rather than buys.
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Boatie Warrant : 11/19/2020 7:56 am : link
In comment 15051088 Peppers said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.

Putting your hands on your boss in anyway is never a good idea.
the p-ifacation of america continues  
fkap : 11/19/2020 8:11 am : link
men can't bring themselves to say cunt.

It's one thing to call another guy that, but sorta pathetic that others can't even reference the term other than with an abbreviation.
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McNally's_Nuts : 11/19/2020 8:21 am : link
In comment 15051126 Boatie Warrant said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.



Putting your hands on your boss in anyway is never a good idea.


Exactly
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PatersonPlank : 11/19/2020 8:43 am : link
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.




Thanks.


This is what I have been thinking. Usually things like this are not a one time thing. I would bet there were issues going on for a while behind the scenes. If it was a one time confrontation it likely could have been worked out. This just sounds to me like the "straw that broke the camels back" type of thing.

If this is the case, then a change may be a good thing. No employee or organization likes to be surrounded by conflict
RE: RE: This story reminds me of this scene from Moneyball  
BestFeature : 11/19/2020 8:57 am : link
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.. Link - ( New Window )

That's a great scene. I still haven't read the book, but I intend to. Loved the movie.


I'm not usually one of those people and I don't even like baseball but the book is infinitely better.
Judge is all about flexibility and maybe Colombo wasn’t flexible  
Ivan15 : 11/19/2020 8:59 am : link
Enough.

Technique, scheme, I don’t know. Colombo might have been stuck on what worked for Zeke Elliot, expecting it to work with Barkley, but now had to make it work with Gallman, Freeman, and Morris.

DeG may not have a great personality but has the experience in technique and scheme to be successful. He gets a tryout to see if he fits where Colombo obviously didn’t.
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ryanmkeane : 11/19/2020 9:00 am : link
In comment 15051088 Peppers said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.

Jesus, if that's true Colombo must be a real hothead. That's next level prick to do that to your boss.
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Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 9:14 am : link
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.



Jesus, if that's true Colombo must be a real hothead. That's next level prick to do that to your boss.


If this is the way this went down, yeah Columbo is an asshole, but as a people manager you have to see this happening. Sit him down, explain the situation, and if he isn’t onboard, sayanara.
RE: the p-ifacation of america continues  
Harvest Blend : 11/19/2020 9:38 am : link
In comment 15051135 fkap said:
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men can't bring themselves to say cunt.


lol. Got to be some irony in there somewhere.
To me this is just bullshit drama  
Harvest Blend : 11/19/2020 9:46 am : link
it's Judge's team and if he wants to bring in a consultant and ultimately fire a coach because he doesn't like it, tough shit. Judge will be judged based on progress. Wins and losses.

He doesn't have time for this dumb shit.
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mfsd : 11/19/2020 9:57 am : link
In comment 15051088 Peppers said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.


Thanks for sharing the info.
PatersonPlank IMO nailed this situation EXACTLY.  
BelieveJJ : 11/19/2020 10:07 am : link
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I'm thinking that bringing on DD as an assistant was the first move in replacing Colombo. He gets all the players used to him, learns the players and schemes, reports all going on to Judge, then Judge lets Colombo go at the end of the season. Colombo saw it coming and blew up.


+1

Colombo was gonna be replaced this off season, and he accelerated it himself with his blow up at JJ.
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JB_in_DC : 11/19/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 15051175 Zeke's Alibi said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.



Jesus, if that's true Colombo must be a real hothead. That's next level prick to do that to your boss.



If this is the way this went down, yeah Columbo is an asshole, but as a people manager you have to see this happening. Sit him down, explain the situation, and if he isn’t onboard, sayanara.


Yeah good lesson for Judge going forward. Should not have let Colombo hear this from someone else.

Appreciate the info, Peppers.
JB. The thing is Judge is a young, inexperienced coach,  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 10:16 am : link
but I’d there anything about the guy that says he’s not going to learn from this experience? I think that’s why we are all so excited. Just crazy to think we probably have our guy for next 15 years plus.
RE: The question is  
dorgan : 11/19/2020 11:27 am : link
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Did Columbo pass the chair test that Daniel Jones failed?


Great question. We probably never checked. Bunch of luddites in that FO.
RE: RE: the p-ifacation of america continues  
LBH15 : 11/19/2020 11:29 am : link
In comment 15051194 Harvest Blend said:
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men can't bring themselves to say cunt.



lol. Got to be some irony in there somewhere.


Only a dick would use the word cunt.
If I were HC and I fired an assistant, I probably would  
Marty in Albany : 11/19/2020 12:29 pm : link
not intentionally tell the media the exact reasons. How would the team benefit by telling the media?

If you're a decent person, you want to give the assistant a little wiggle-room to continue his career without the press all over him.
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Gatorade Dunk : 11/19/2020 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15051173 ryanmkeane said:
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.



Jesus, if that's true Colombo must be a real hothead. That's next level prick to do that to your boss.

True, although if I found out that my boss had hired a consultant behind my back that specializes precisely in my discipline of expertise, I wouldn't consider that a particularly good boss, either.

People bring in consultants all the time. There's any number of reasons why a boss might think that an extra set of eyes and ears could be of value, especially if there's a significant difference in experience level. But not making the employee aware of it is bad management, no matter how good of a job Judge is doing so far.
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Spider56 : 11/19/2020 1:16 pm : link
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.



Jesus, if that's true Colombo must be a real hothead. That's next level prick to do that to your boss.


True, although if I found out that my boss had hired a consultant behind my back that specializes precisely in my discipline of expertise, I wouldn't consider that a particularly good boss, either.

People bring in consultants all the time. There's any number of reasons why a boss might think that an extra set of eyes and ears could be of value, especially if there's a significant difference in experience level. But not making the employee aware of it is bad management, no matter how good of a job Judge is doing so far.


What you say is true in the corporate world ... but let’s not confuse that with the NFL which has more of a military like hierarchy. All coaches are to varying degree, control freaks and they are under no obligation to gain ‘buy in’ from their assistants or anyone else unless they see it necessary. Sure JJ could have done it differently if he wanted to, but don’t call it bad mgmt, especially without knowing any of the backstory details. His job is to put a winner on the field and go about it anyway he chooses.
I guess Colombo was really threatened  
cjac : 11/19/2020 1:24 pm : link
Apparently when he was playing for the Dolphins and Degugliemo was his coach, he told him he learned more from him than any other coach in his career.

And that was right after Colombo’s last game as an NFL player
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JB_in_DC : 11/19/2020 1:29 pm : link
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What I've heard..

1st. Judge and Colombo got into a shouting match - in each other's faces which led to Colombo shoving Judge. He was irate but there was no fistfight.

2nd. Apparently, this has been brewing for a while. There's been tension between the two since the start of the season. Colombo found out about DeGuglielmo from another coach/person in the building. Colombo confronted Judge. There was no set meeting where Judge informed Colombo.



Jesus, if that's true Colombo must be a real hothead. That's next level prick to do that to your boss.


True, although if I found out that my boss had hired a consultant behind my back that specializes precisely in my discipline of expertise, I wouldn't consider that a particularly good boss, either.

People bring in consultants all the time. There's any number of reasons why a boss might think that an extra set of eyes and ears could be of value, especially if there's a significant difference in experience level. But not making the employee aware of it is bad management, no matter how good of a job Judge is doing so far.



What you say is true in the corporate world ... but let’s not confuse that with the NFL which has more of a military like hierarchy. All coaches are to varying degree, control freaks and they are under no obligation to gain ‘buy in’ from their assistants or anyone else unless they see it necessary. Sure JJ could have done it differently if he wanted to, but don’t call it bad mgmt, especially without knowing any of the backstory details. His job is to put a winner on the field and go about it anyway he chooses.


Staffs change all the time though, and you want a position on your staff to be attractive to potential coaching talent. These assistants aren't grunts that have to be there.
I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo  
mfsd : 11/19/2020 1:31 pm : link
before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
All Conjecture  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 11/19/2020 2:02 pm : link
No of us really know how this went down. The consensus is the Line performed better the past few weeks and it's because of Judge's direct involvement. If Colombo wasnt doing his job, it was time to move on.

If the optics are bad, Judge will learn and handle things differently in the future.

RE: I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 11/19/2020 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15051418 mfsd said:
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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.


Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.

Who's the rat?
RE: RE: I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo  
mfsd : 11/19/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 15051464 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.



Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.

Who's the rat?


Fair questions. We’re all making guesses, none of us were in the building.

And all that aside - regardless of how it went down, sounds like Colombo was an asshole about it, and Judge did the right thing by firing him immediately
Timing  
Thegratefulhead : 11/19/2020 2:12 pm : link
If you are going to do this the bye week is right time. Anyone know the details of Columbo's contract? If he shoved Judge, they can fire him for cause. I think this was handled this way so Columbo would quit. Instead he got confrontational and fired for cause. Same outcome.
RE: RE: RE: I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 11/19/2020 2:39 pm : link
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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.



Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.

Who's the rat?



Fair questions. We’re all making guesses, none of us were in the building.

And all that aside - regardless of how it went down, sounds like Colombo was an asshole about it, and Judge did the right thing by firing him immediately


Agree 100%; ego is involved especially when you think you're good at your job.
RE: RE: I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/19/2020 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15051464 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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In comment 15051418 mfsd said:


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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.



Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.

Who's the rat?

IMO, there's no "didn't have the opportunity" here because Colombo should have been told before anyone other than DeGuglielmo himself (or maybe Garrett too, at most - I'm assuming here that neither DG nor ownership would have even accidentally hung JJ out by mentioning anything to MC). It sounds like DD has been in contact with JJ for more than just the past couple of days, so JJ would have had the opportunity to make MC aware of it if he so chose.

I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that one element of this is not especially favorable for Judge. I don't think it makes him a bad coach or a bad person, but it's the first time that I think his inexperience as a HC may have been on display just a bit.
RE: the p-ifacation of america continues  
Milton : 11/19/2020 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15051135 fkap said:
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men can't bring themselves to say cunt.

It's one thing to call another guy that, but sorta pathetic that others can't even reference the term other than with an abbreviation.
Does that mean your unwillingness to say "pussy" is an example of the cuntification of America?
"Cunt" is a term of endearment between mates  
montanagiant : 11/19/2020 6:01 pm : link
In Australia
I dont know why but I am reminded  
Bill2 : 11/19/2020 6:03 pm : link
of an interesting incident between superior and subordinate coming out of WW2. ( and remember it is a story filed by a member of media who might be all wet)

Now both these guys had enormously more responsibility and pressure on them. Both were in different leagues in terms of maintaining self control.

So suddenly, Ike shows up at Bradleys headquarters and tells him he wants him to hold up, set his line and also take and hold a town they had not talked about and then wait for the Germans and for Patton. He does this in public (meaning within the hearing range of other members on their respective staffs) without regard for Bradleys feelings or input

Bradley get very upset (for him and compared to his normal range of reactions) and pushes back in a way he never did before. He does not want his hands tied, doesnt want to wait and as far as he is concerned, Patton should and does report to him.

He tells Ike he is going to resign for under these orders he cant be accountable to the American people and he wants to tell the families of the troops he commands ( close to a half a million) that he is resigning because he cant protect the boys under these orders.

Ike gets pissed at what he sees as insubordination and a reaction without realizing that Ike knows something he does not.

"Brad, its pointless to resign for that reason. You are only accountable to me. You are not accountable to the American people. Only I am. Now lets you and I take this in the other room to discuss"

Bradley takes this in and gets more agitated and continues in the board room in front of the Americans, Montgomerys staff, De Gaulles staff and some press.

Ike steps closer and puts his hands on Bradleys shoulders right over his stars and says while Bradley is in his rant:

" Brad, but these are my orders. They are still my orders Brad. And they will be my orders. Understand Brad?"

So Bradley stops suddenly and completely, collects himself and goes and starts giving Ike's desired orders down the chain.

About 15 minutes later Bradley says to Ike: "Ike ( they were friends) im getting a lot of questions. Why are we supposed to be taking and holding Bastogne?"

"Because"

RE: RE: RE: Like most, if not everyone, I read this and first said WTF  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 6:13 pm : link
In comment 15050966 Matt M. said:
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How is unsubstantiated? The coach at Georgia is the one who commented on the technique being different a few weeks ago and him using the Ga. technique now. He's not a reliable source?


Depends on how you look at it. Paul Alexander was fired by dallas and replaced by Colombo, who was his assistant. Could there be something there?
Bill that’s a nice anecdote and all  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 6:19 pm : link
But the Axis probably had even more of those types of interactions (due to the nature of getting orders from a raving lunatic by the end of the war) and they lost.
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Bill2 : 11/19/2020 6:34 pm : link
True. But thats another direction than the intent.

Proving ships do pass in the night without seeing each other
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