If it's true that Judge devoted his time to being more involved with the O-line during practice, it absolutely shows the benefit of not having a HC whose calling the plays and buried in the playbook
Amen. This is what I was banging on the table with for the next HC hire after McAdoo and Shurmer, those guys just aren’t leaders. This is the exemplification of what it means to lead and hold people and players accountable. While I will remain a skeptic of our FO and GM, I have no doubts that Joe Judge is the right guy for this organization.
Judge has said something about coaching to players strengths and maybe Colombo was taking too much of a "My way or the highway" approach which rubbed Judge the wrong way.
So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That's what it sounds like. Anything know about Dave DeGuglielmo? Seems like he's bounced around the league between teams every year or so. Wonder why he's never stuck anywhere long term.
He has been everywhere including here in NY.
I think he was purposely replaced in New England a few years back because the OL was failing under his watch....don't quote me though.
He took over for a Scarneccia when he retired for 2 yrs (2014 & 2015) before he came back for 2016-2019.
So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
There have been rumblings about Thomas' technique going in the shitter long before this. If Judge really has been stepping in recently then it checks out.
I wonder what this does to the Garrett/Judge dynamic if anything? I figured Columbo was a 'Garrett guy' but that might not be the case. I understand we are near if not at the bottom of the league in terms of points scored per game so might Judge be souring on Garrett too?
but Colombo seems like a hot head, (not necessarily a bad thing as a coach), but if Judge was riding him a bit, I could see Colombo taking issue with it and speaking his mind in a very colorful vocabulary kind of way. Might be OK in private, but if he did it in front of the players???
But yeah it could just be different visions, or Colombo wasn't capable as they'd like.
he has a blue checkmark and an alleged scoop that Colombo beat the crap out of Judge this morning and was fired immediately.
Maybe this?
Yeah I don’t care about ones “credentials” especially via social media. I am very skeptical they got into a physical fight this morning, the team is on Bye Week, only reason it may have happened is if they called him into fire him and he took it bad.
is accountable. Love it. Do your job or you're out. As others have said, maybe the improvement in the OL, specifically with Thomas, was because Judge got more involved. Thomas also went back to the technique he learned at Georgia. It's a given that Judge had a lot of say in drafting Thomas. He was obviously unhappy with his development.
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Told same. Marc Colombo wasn’t pleased by Joe Judge’s decision and let it be known verbally. But nothing physical, according to sources.
So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
There have been rumblings about Thomas' technique going in the shitter long before this. If Judge really has been stepping in recently then it checks out.
I am sure it makes sense among the Believers. For the agnostics among us, Joe Judge has never played or coached o-line in his life but we are given the sugar coated Company line that He stepped in for a guy who both played and coached o-line in the NFL and the o-line was suddenly better due to His guidance and acumen.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
Looks like Judge did indeed get his degree from Belichek U
that Garafolo clip talking about how he spent more time with the OL the last few weeks fits a lot of these pieces together. Great sign that Judge will take action and not just let problems linger. Ballsy decision and I don't know how you can not be encouraged by a leader taking decisive action (both in taking the more active role with the OL the last few weeks and making a change he clearly felt he needed to make).
Also this doesn't really feel like scapegoating since the OL has been improving and the team winning. Canning him 2 weeks ago may have been that but right now there's not really any scapegoat needed. This feels more like confirmation that there was a behind the scenes reason for the improvement in the OL the last 2 weeks beyond usual business.
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
Told same. Marc Colombo wasn’t pleased by Joe Judge’s decision and let it be known verbally. But nothing physical, according to sources.
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Nah, supposedly it was a tad overblown but definitely got heated this AM
Haha, is this real!?!?
We are not going to know everything that transpired
So no sense guessing. My issue is that DeGuglielmo has worn out his welcome quickly in a lot of places and New England's OL vastly improved when Dante came out of retirement.
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
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This has been refuted by Art Stapleton & Kim Jones. Kinda destroying your credibility here
Garafolo says the story is BS, words were spoken, but no fight..and I'll take Mike's word over this guy. I'll bet this was in the works, as they came up with a replacement same day.
The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
So no sense guessing. My issue is that DeGuglielmo has worn out his welcome quickly in a lot of places and New England's OL vastly improved when Dante came out of retirement.
My guess is that it's a stop gap move to finish the season. Judge already passed on him once in favor of Columbo I think (probably on Garrett's recommendation). Judge probably just wants someone he's familiar with who can coach the line like he wants the rest of the season: in a way that's not hanging Thomas out to dry.
The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
Wow interesting. One things for sure, Judge sticking to his guns with the whole everyone has to be on board with the program theme
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
Sounds like an overreaction
Judge has always said we need to play better AND we need to
Amen. This is what I was banging on the table with for the next HC hire after McAdoo and Shurmer, those guys just aren’t leaders. This is the exemplification of what it means to lead and hold people and players accountable. While I will remain a skeptic of our FO and GM, I have no doubts that Joe Judge is the right guy for this organization.
Judge has said something about coaching to players strengths and maybe Colombo was taking too much of a "My way or the highway" approach which rubbed Judge the wrong way.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
Paul Alexander probably had a huge hand in their succss. Check out his resume before they replaced him with Columbo.
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Everyone is evaluated and accountable including the staff as well as the players
He is no nonsense
Also, kind of a strange deal with him in Miami.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That's what it sounds like. Anything know about Dave DeGuglielmo? Seems like he's bounced around the league between teams every year or so. Wonder why he's never stuck anywhere long term.
He has been everywhere including here in NY.
I think he was purposely replaced in New England a few years back because the OL was failing under his watch....don't quote me though.
He took over for a Scarneccia when he retired for 2 yrs (2014 & 2015) before he came back for 2016-2019.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
There have been rumblings about Thomas' technique going in the shitter long before this. If Judge really has been stepping in recently then it checks out.
+1
Surprised the hell out of many that he took an open shot at another league guy/fellow coach at the time, regardless of who replaced who in Dallas.
Well then
But yeah it could just be different visions, or Colombo wasn't capable as they'd like.
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However, there may be other issues at work here, don't know.
Maybe this?
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he has a blue checkmark and an alleged scoop that Colombo beat the crap out of Judge this morning and was fired immediately.
Maybe this?
Yeah I don’t care about ones “credentials” especially via social media. I am very skeptical they got into a physical fight this morning, the team is on Bye Week, only reason it may have happened is if they called him into fire him and he took it bad.
Before or after the firing?
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that there was no fist fight, but there was some kind of heating exchange (not sure if in person or call/zoom).
Before or after the firing?
Not sure..I asked but he didn't know. Just heard from someone on in the organization that there was a heated exchange.
Mike Garafolo
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Told same. Marc Colombo wasn’t pleased by Joe Judge’s decision and let it be known verbally. But nothing physical, according to sources.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
There have been rumblings about Thomas' technique going in the shitter long before this. If Judge really has been stepping in recently then it checks out.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
Also this doesn't really feel like scapegoating since the OL has been improving and the team winning. Canning him 2 weeks ago may have been that but right now there's not really any scapegoat needed. This feels more like confirmation that there was a behind the scenes reason for the improvement in the OL the last 2 weeks beyond usual business.
Haha, is this real!?!?
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Mike Garafolo
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Told same. Marc Colombo wasn’t pleased by Joe Judge’s decision and let it be known verbally. But nothing physical, according to sources.
Oh ok. Fair enough.
That's some sensible analysis. He was getting canned today and it got heated before or after.
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Nah, supposedly it was a tad overblown but definitely got heated this AM
Haha, is this real!?!?
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
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This has been refuted by Art Stapleton & Kim Jones. Kinda destroying your credibility here
Garafolo says the story is BS, words were spoken, but no fight..and I'll take Mike's word over this guy. I'll bet this was in the works, as they came up with a replacement same day.
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1329118424090497026
My guess is that it's a stop gap move to finish the season. Judge already passed on him once in favor of Columbo I think (probably on Garrett's recommendation). Judge probably just wants someone he's familiar with who can coach the line like he wants the rest of the season: in a way that's not hanging Thomas out to dry.
According to some, he’s leading them to a super bowl....:this year!!
Wow interesting. One things for sure, Judge sticking to his guns with the whole everyone has to be on board with the program theme
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
Sounds like an overreaction