wanted to bring in someone to help Columbo. Columbo didn't like it. He was fired. Lack of accountability has been one of our biggest problems for years. When you're 3-7, everything is analyzed, and everyone can be fired.
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
Well given everything, this seems to make sense. It will be interesting to see player's reaction.
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
Well given everything, this seems to make sense. It will be interesting to see player's reaction.
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The #Giants were planning to bring in Dave DeGuglielmo to work alongside Marc Colombo with the offensive line, sources say. Colombo's reaction to the news led to his dismissal.
Sounds like an overreaction
Bringing in a consultant to help you with your job especially when it's a guy who interviewed for same job is not a good sign. Can't blame him for not taking it well. Probably best for him to move on.
So no sense guessing. My issue is that DeGuglielmo has worn out his welcome quickly in a lot of places and New England's OL vastly improved when Dante came out of retirement.
I think this will be a short term thing with an replacement in the off season.
Judge will know enough if DeGuglielmo can teach the techniques he wants taught in the interim
Memory is foggy, but someone posted on here a little while back. Guy who scouted Thomas said his technique is completely different from college, and that’s why he was struggling so much.
Would explain why Judge got more involved. And why he’d break in help, before the bye week when they have time to work on things. Apparently Colombo rode the coattails of that Dallas OL talent
Most of the heavy lifting in Dallas was before he got there and they had a LOT of talent on that line so didn't expect him to walk on water. Was excited to see him work with Solder (and then Peart) as he could provide personal experience with being that tall as a tackle.
A mixed bag. Thomas has certainly underperformed as did Fleming. I know Fleming is a journeyman type but he was brought in by Garrett/Colombo and is making (marginal)starter money. Hernandez is treading water. Gates certainly improved but we don't have a baseline floor with this guy and I think Peart/Lemieux were ready when called.
Googs is an interesting coach. Has had some good success but doesn't seem to stay around too long anywhere.
I am sure it makes sense among the Believers. For the agnostics among us, Joe Judge has never played or coached o-line in his life but we are given the sugar coated Company line that He stepped in for a guy who both played and coached o-line in the NFL and the o-line was suddenly better due to His guidance and acumen.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
Plenty of NFL coaches have coached positions they never played, if they played at all. Bill Belichick coached TE's and WR's after playing lacrosse at D3 Wesleyan.
disagreement. Heated exchange? Sure, maybe. But heated exchange would be enough for a coach to fire especially if it was over bringing in help for Columbo he didn't want and took as an insult.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
There have been rumblings about Thomas' technique going in the shitter long before this. If Judge really has been stepping in recently then it checks out.
I am sure it makes sense among the Believers. For the agnostics among us, Joe Judge has never played or coached o-line in his life but we are given the sugar coated Company line that He stepped in for a guy who both played and coached o-line in the NFL and the o-line was suddenly better due to His guidance and acumen.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
The chronology doesn't work out though, unless they had a time machine to feed Garafolo the story on Sunday so they could get rid of a guy after a fight the following Wednesday.
You don't need to be a believer to look at a calendar.
in a first year HC he has been around arguably the best OL coach for a long time in NE. He most certainly knows how critical this position coach is to a team. This is something brewing for quite some time imo.
Apparently, Andrew Thomas' old coach noticed Thomas went back to the technique he used at Georgia and was playing much better because of it. Maybe Columbo was teaching his way, instead of trying to make the players better. Hell did anyone see Hernandez taking a step back? Thomas reverts to old technique - ( New Window )
here's hoping Judge made the right call. Reading the tea leaves, it seems the OL has started to play a lot better since Judge got more involved. I trust Mike G's reporting on this and could definitely see Colombo getting pissed at the news they were bringing someone on.
But one thing I love about Judge is that he isn't afraid to improve/expand his staff. There is no maximum number of coaches a team is allowed to employ. If the report is true the Giants would have brought in another OL coach which would have given them three coaches for the offensive line.
I never understood why Shurmur didn't hire more coaches as he was the HC and play caller, OC Mike Shula was also the QB coach. Why on earth didn't he hire at least one more coach to serve as the QB coach allowing Shula to focus on one job?
He was Flaherty’s assistant, and took over while Coach Flats was fighting cancer, IIRC, that period happened to coincide with the line making a big jump, though it may have been more a function of personnel than coaching.
I am sure it makes sense among the Believers. For the agnostics among us, Joe Judge has never played or coached o-line in his life but we are given the sugar coated Company line that He stepped in for a guy who both played and coached o-line in the NFL and the o-line was suddenly better due to His guidance and acumen.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
Plenty of NFL coaches have coached positions they never played, if they played at all. Bill Belichick coached TE's and WR's after playing lacrosse at D3 Wesleyan.
Belichick also played football, C and TE, at Wesleyan U.
Joe Judge actually met with OL coach Marc Colombo last night to discuss bringing Dave DeGuglielmo aboard. The plan was to have him as a "consultant" and not just for the offensive line. Obviously OL is his area of expertise, though. And obviously Colombo didn't welcome that news.
I liked the Colombo hiring and thought he was the reason for the improved OL play lately.
I can see why he would be pissed about having another coach brought in to look over his shoulder.
Add to that if Judge had been stepping in to over-rule him on coaching practice for a week or two. It sounds justifiable to be pissed. It also sounds possible this is the right move.
When a new coach is putting together a staff, everyone has to get on the same page pretty quick...If Colombo wasn't, move on.
Dave TE (RIP) reported in this past offseason that the Giants went for Andrew Thomas because Colombo was all in on him and felt that he was the best OT in the draft. Scouts favored Becton. So it was on Colombo to make him into a better player and he was a mess early in the season. You could clearly see his game pick up after the Thursday Night game at Philly and he went back to his old techniques. In the end, this all seems like Judge putting his money where his mouth was that he put it on the coaches to make the players better. Obviously they were not on the same page. That they didn't agree and the Giants pretty much already moved on happens in football (and the business world for that matter).
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
The OL was getting better so a lot of us thought to credit Columbo
without knowing that it was Judge who was taking a more active role behind the scenes. Good for him in doing so, getting results, and being proactive to fix something that he thought wasn't working.
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
I am BIG on accountability. I think OL got better because people had to sit and watch someone else play their position. Strong motivation. I also support firing a position coach, does the same kind of thing. Produce or GTFO. That is the way back to respectability.
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
He's certainly put his stamp on things in a very short period of time, thats for sure. I'm not saying its an objectively good thing to fire a coach mid-season but you have to appreciate the no-nonsense approach. This guy is 100% committed to improvement and holds everyone accountable.
and everyone will know it. The lack of organizational BS is refreshing.
Well, it's his coaching staff. I'm not sure it's "Joe's team" in the sense it's being applied.
Judge hired all of the coaches. So in the org chart he has the authority to jettison Columbo.
I mean he appears to be in control of what is going and that he is not going to deal with BS. You can see that in how he handles players, the coaching staff and press conferences. Certainly he does not have control of the roster...yet.
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
Same. I was excited about the Colombo hiring.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
My wife has her period 1 week out of the month (and usually doesn't take it out on me).
You seem to have it every week. That must suck.
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Colombo isn't looking too good here.
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Well given everything, this seems to make sense. It will be interesting to see player's reaction.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
My wife has her period 1 week out of the month (and usually doesn't take it out on me).
You seem to have it every week. That must suck.
He is confusing the Giants with Washington.
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Sounds like an overreaction
Bringing in a consultant to help you with your job especially when it's a guy who interviewed for same job is not a good sign. Can't blame him for not taking it well. Probably best for him to move on.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
Thanks, as always for your positive and constructive comments.
I think this will be a short term thing with an replacement in the off season.
Judge will know enough if DeGuglielmo can teach the techniques he wants taught in the interim
Would explain why Judge got more involved. And why he’d break in help, before the bye week when they have time to work on things. Apparently Colombo rode the coattails of that Dallas OL talent
A mixed bag. Thomas has certainly underperformed as did Fleming. I know Fleming is a journeyman type but he was brought in by Garrett/Colombo and is making (marginal)starter money. Hernandez is treading water. Gates certainly improved but we don't have a baseline floor with this guy and I think Peart/Lemieux were ready when called.
Googs is an interesting coach. Has had some good success but doesn't seem to stay around too long anywhere.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
Plenty of NFL coaches have coached positions they never played, if they played at all. Bill Belichick coached TE's and WR's after playing lacrosse at D3 Wesleyan.
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
There have been rumblings about Thomas' technique going in the shitter long before this. If Judge really has been stepping in recently then it checks out.
I am sure it makes sense among the Believers. For the agnostics among us, Joe Judge has never played or coached o-line in his life but we are given the sugar coated Company line that He stepped in for a guy who both played and coached o-line in the NFL and the o-line was suddenly better due to His guidance and acumen.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
The chronology doesn't work out though, unless they had a time machine to feed Garafolo the story on Sunday so they could get rid of a guy after a fight the following Wednesday.
You don't need to be a believer to look at a calendar.
I can see why he would be pissed about having another coach brought in to look over his shoulder.
Thomas reverts to old technique - ( New Window )
I never understood why Shurmur didn't hire more coaches as he was the HC and play caller, OC Mike Shula was also the QB coach. Why on earth didn't he hire at least one more coach to serve as the QB coach allowing Shula to focus on one job?
Considering the OL has been playing better since Judge had to step in, my guess is he reacted fine to it.
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I am sure it makes sense among the Believers. For the agnostics among us, Joe Judge has never played or coached o-line in his life but we are given the sugar coated Company line that He stepped in for a guy who both played and coached o-line in the NFL and the o-line was suddenly better due to His guidance and acumen.
Yeah ok. Frankly the "He got into a beef with Columbo who proceeded to kick his ass" makes more sense. For sure, you fire an employee for that but it sure doesn't say much about His Holiness' management style.
Plenty of NFL coaches have coached positions they never played, if they played at all. Bill Belichick coached TE's and WR's after playing lacrosse at D3 Wesleyan.
Belichick also played football, C and TE, at Wesleyan U.
Joe Judge actually met with OL coach Marc Colombo last night to discuss bringing Dave DeGuglielmo aboard. The plan was to have him as a "consultant" and not just for the offensive line. Obviously OL is his area of expertise, though. And obviously Colombo didn't welcome that news.
I can see why he would be pissed about having another coach brought in to look over his shoulder.
Funny that you say that. I mentioned last week that Columbo should be applauded for finally get this OL pointed in the right direction.
So much for that... ;)
I can see why he would be pissed about having another coach brought in to look over his shoulder.
Add to that if Judge had been stepping in to over-rule him on coaching practice for a week or two. It sounds justifiable to be pissed. It also sounds possible this is the right move.
When a new coach is putting together a staff, everyone has to get on the same page pretty quick...If Colombo wasn't, move on.
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Timeline from my reporting in the last hour:
* Giants were bringing Guge in as consultant with Colombo. Judge has been working closer with OL last few weeks.
* Giants were set to move forward with Colombo as OL coach + Guge as consultant.
* Colombo reax led to his firing.
In Judge I trust, I guess. Holy moly..
100% agree.
You have to wonder what he is even doing if Judge had to get involved.
Well, it's his coaching staff. I'm not sure it's "Joe's team" in the sense it's being applied.
Judge hired all of the coaches. So in the org chart he has the authority to jettison Columbo.
He's certainly put his stamp on things in a very short period of time, thats for sure. I'm not saying its an objectively good thing to fire a coach mid-season but you have to appreciate the no-nonsense approach. This guy is 100% committed to improvement and holds everyone accountable.
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and everyone will know it. The lack of organizational BS is refreshing.
Well, it's his coaching staff. I'm not sure it's "Joe's team" in the sense it's being applied.
Judge hired all of the coaches. So in the org chart he has the authority to jettison Columbo.
I mean he appears to be in control of what is going and that he is not going to deal with BS. You can see that in how he handles players, the coaching staff and press conferences. Certainly he does not have control of the roster...yet.
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