Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
by Mike G (miss that dude covering the Gmen and Eric and I had him on BBI Online Live a few times).
Go back to the report that the Georgia Coach said Thomas's technique was not what he had been coached before and maybe there was something to it.
Judge does not mess around and I love it. It sends a message to the players as well, not all blame will be on you. If coaches are not doing their jobs or not doing them the way Judge wants then changes will be made.
To follow-up on this, last week Thomas said in an interview that he was going back to some of the techniques he used in college the past few weeks. Couple that with the report from his college coach and the comments that Judge took more control of the OL, and I think there's some insight on why the change was made.
But it was something I didn't see coming. Pretty indicative of the way Judge will look at accountability.
it's funny, when I posted that story I was ridiculed. Author an asshole, shit stirrer, story is bullshit. old news. yadda yadda yadda from the usual suspects who just wanted to shit on Thomas and Gettleman
Crazy. It would be interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder if they hire an additional person to help with line coaching if Colombo wasn't originally going to be fired.
interesting piece on Andrew Thomas
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:54 am
claims he has reverted to his GA technique
NY Giants’ Andrew Thomas’ major change powering major improvement - ( New Window )
this feels like a shit stirring article
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/12/2020 9:57 am : link : reply
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
Matt
Jon in NYC : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
RE: this feels like a shit stirring article
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
In comment 15043269 Jim in Forest Hills said:
Quote:
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
or maybe Colombo is smart enough to realize that not every technique is suitable to every player
Paul Alexander
gary_from_chester : 11/12/2020 10:03 am : link : reply
Is a self promoter who was canned in Dallas. Has an axe to grind IMO. Crap article by Lombardo.
Here is Paul Alexander’s site
Paul Alexander - ( New Window )
OL technique isn't like flipping a switch
regulator : 11/12/2020 10:04 am : link : reply
This is shit-stirring article.
Is this a second article
JonC : 11/12/2020 10:05 am : link : reply
from the same dude? Sounds like an axe to grind with Colombo.
so the same guy shitting on thomas a week or two ago
Platos : 11/12/2020 10:12 am : link : reply
is now claiming he's using his old technique...
which if you have eyes, know isn't true...
Paul Alexander
MattyKid : 11/12/2020 10:13 am : link : reply
Was on NFL Radio (Sirius) 2 weeks ago and discussed his technique at length. He worked with him prior to the draft and mentioned that he wasn't applying the strengths that made him a first rounder. Made the statement " I don't know who's in his ear" with respect to his change in technique (dig at Columbo). Alexander stated before the draft that Thomas was the best NFL ready tackle in the draft. Self promotion? Probably but I'm just happy he's playing better
This guy, a few weeks ago: "He's not using his Georgia technique"
Heisenberg : 11/12/2020 10:25 am : link : reply
Now: "He's using his Georgia technique"
Wow, some analysis. Basically said nothing more than he stunk and now he doesn't stink.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:12 am : link : reply
I see what he is say when I him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he when back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
Well let’s see if he can block
Carl in CT : 11/12/2020 11:13 am : link : reply
Philly this time.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:15 am : link : reply
I see what he is saying when I saw him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he went back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
RE: Matt
giants#1 : 11/12/2020 11:17 am : link : reply
In comment 15043277 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
This. One unnamed "source" in the NFL claims Thomas reverted to his GA technique. Quotes from Paul Alexander and he doesn't even make that claim.
IDK
GoDeep13 : 11/12/2020 12:12 pm : link : reply
How much is true and how much is just talk but I did notice Thomas’s kick step looked different. As for the punch, I think he punched well (and did it with power) vs Washington.
I remember several of Thomas's post-game interviews in which he
Ira : 11/12/2020 1:12 pm : link : reply
said he was able to get by on athleticism in college, but needed to work on improving his technique to compete in the nfl. So I agree that the article is wrong.
That being said, I'm delighted that we got three young offensive linemen including two tackles who are proving themselves as rookies.
...was asked about him in an interview this past offseason and let's just say he gave him a mixed review at best. I wasn't sure if it was just sour grapes or his objective opinion, but this leads me to believe it was the latter.
I mean he appears to be in control of what is going and that he is not going to deal with BS. You can see that in how he handles players, the coaching staff and press conferences. Certainly he does not have control of the roster...yet.
I wish Judge was completely in charge. I just wanted to clarify the point that I don't think we're quite there...yet. ;)
RE: The OL was getting better so a lot of us thought to credit Columbo
without knowing that it was Judge who was taking a more active role behind the scenes. Good for him in doing so, getting results, and being proactive to fix something that he thought wasn't working.
It's pretty impressive when you think about it. Judge was a special teams coach who decided to help coach up the offensive line. During that time the offensive line began playing noticeably better.
Perhaps Judge learned a lot from watching Dante Scarnecchia in practice for years.
without knowing that it was Judge who was taking a more active role behind the scenes. Good for him in doing so, getting results, and being proactive to fix something that he thought wasn't working.
It's pretty impressive when you think about it. Judge was a special teams coach who decided to help coach up the offensive line. During that time the offensive line began playing noticeably better.
Perhaps Judge learned a lot from watching Dante Scarnecchia in practice for years.
He also coached blocking schemes on ST which I'd imagine has some crossover (or at least more than if he were a DB coach).
More than likely he was probably just better at communicating with the players and being flexible to let them stick with what they did well vs. overcoaching.
Anyone Catch this Judge Clip after the Eagles Game Sunday? HAHA!!
This seemed to be a positive reflection on Colombo. But, if Mike G says Judge was spending more time with the OL and then in the bye week wants to bring in a new OL guy as a consultant, it would seem to indicate that it's not a positive for Colombo.
There's only one thing we can really know for sure about this. For good or bad, Joe Judge does not fuck around.
You don't see coaches fired mid-season very often.
Based off of the line's significant improvement the past couple of weeks, it doesn't take a psychic to figure out that Columbo getting fired means that they were getting results by going away from Columbo's instructions.
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
Plus a million
He’s coached 10 games. Wow, are we willing to go all in fast. How does all of this information become public. How does that happen? Love Pat Hanlon, but I’ve often wondered about the Giants’ crisis communication strategy.
Didn't the Pats' OL decline under him, which is why they pleaded with Scarnecchia to come out of retirement?
It is so damn difficult to evaluate OL coaches. The Colts offensive line under Hal Hunter allowed 65 sacks in 2017, and IMO was a big reason why Luck retired so early, and he was replaced by Dave DeGuglielmo. In 2018 the Colts line was one of the best in football. Now some of that had to do with rookies Quenton Nelson and Braden Smith but it was still an impressive turn around.
What concerns me is that DeGuglielmo appears to do a good job with each franchise that hires me but he is not there for long.
Started to go back to his Georgia technique very recently as opposed to what Colombo was teaching him. Now what I believe happened is, Judge got in the mix an started fixing him, he's played well last 2 games and we won last 2 games. Coincidence?
I think it was here where I read that his coach at GA couldn't believe what he was seeing with Thomas, and was really critical of the coaching. Now it makes sense.
Didn't the Pats' OL decline under him, which is why they pleaded with Scarnecchia to come out of retirement?
That is true but before that he had a pretty sterling reputation, I remember Jake Long having his best years with him as the OL coach and then falling off a cliff and never achieving pro bowl status again when he left. Some of that had to do with injuries of course.
interesting piece on Andrew Thomas
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:54 am
claims he has reverted to his GA technique
NY Giants’ Andrew Thomas’ major change powering major improvement - ( New Window )
this feels like a shit stirring article
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/12/2020 9:57 am : link : reply
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
Matt
Jon in NYC : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
RE: this feels like a shit stirring article
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
In comment 15043269 Jim in Forest Hills said:
Quote:
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
or maybe Colombo is smart enough to realize that not every technique is suitable to every player
Paul Alexander
gary_from_chester : 11/12/2020 10:03 am : link : reply
Is a self promoter who was canned in Dallas. Has an axe to grind IMO. Crap article by Lombardo.
Here is Paul Alexander’s site
Paul Alexander - ( New Window )
OL technique isn't like flipping a switch
regulator : 11/12/2020 10:04 am : link : reply
This is shit-stirring article.
Is this a second article
JonC : 11/12/2020 10:05 am : link : reply
from the same dude? Sounds like an axe to grind with Colombo.
so the same guy shitting on thomas a week or two ago
Platos : 11/12/2020 10:12 am : link : reply
is now claiming he's using his old technique...
which if you have eyes, know isn't true...
Paul Alexander
MattyKid : 11/12/2020 10:13 am : link : reply
Was on NFL Radio (Sirius) 2 weeks ago and discussed his technique at length. He worked with him prior to the draft and mentioned that he wasn't applying the strengths that made him a first rounder. Made the statement " I don't know who's in his ear" with respect to his change in technique (dig at Columbo). Alexander stated before the draft that Thomas was the best NFL ready tackle in the draft. Self promotion? Probably but I'm just happy he's playing better
This guy, a few weeks ago: "He's not using his Georgia technique"
Heisenberg : 11/12/2020 10:25 am : link : reply
Now: "He's using his Georgia technique"
Wow, some analysis. Basically said nothing more than he stunk and now he doesn't stink.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:12 am : link : reply
I see what he is say when I him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he when back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
Well let’s see if he can block
Carl in CT : 11/12/2020 11:13 am : link : reply
Philly this time.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:15 am : link : reply
I see what he is saying when I saw him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he went back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
RE: Matt
giants#1 : 11/12/2020 11:17 am : link : reply
In comment 15043277 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
This. One unnamed "source" in the NFL claims Thomas reverted to his GA technique. Quotes from Paul Alexander and he doesn't even make that claim.
IDK
GoDeep13 : 11/12/2020 12:12 pm : link : reply
How much is true and how much is just talk but I did notice Thomas’s kick step looked different. As for the punch, I think he punched well (and did it with power) vs Washington.
I remember several of Thomas's post-game interviews in which he
Ira : 11/12/2020 1:12 pm : link : reply
said he was able to get by on athleticism in college, but needed to work on improving his technique to compete in the nfl. So I agree that the article is wrong.
That being said, I'm delighted that we got three young offensive linemen including two tackles who are proving themselves as rookies.
Looks like there was something to it after all. A bit of a shocker. We’ll see how this affects the team in the Cinci game.
After that initial shock, it's like, ok, this is Judges team and if this is what he wants, he must have a pretty good reason. He doesnt seem like the type to not think things through.
Gotta love his approach. He has consistently said since day one, that everyone has to buy in and work towards one goal, that's the coaches and players. He hasn't been afraid to bench players, or even out right replace them, so now it's on to the coaches. Earn your keep
RE: Gotta say, I was kind of hoping for a fist fight
wanted to bring in someone to help Columbo. Columbo didn't like it. He was fired. Lack of accountability has been one of our biggest problems for years. When you're 3-7, everything is analyzed, and everyone can be fired.
Turn that around though. If Columbo sucked, shouldn't he have just been fired? Why beat around the bush and 'save face' by hiring another 'consultant'? Do the proper and right thing and just fire him, who cares if it's just half season. Admit the mistake and move on (more honorable too). That's not the 'Giant way', I know.
So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
Thanks, as always for your positive and constructive comments.
Seen this team operate for a long, long time. This is the way they operate. The Company circles the wagons, the Company line gets broadcast by its media mouthpieces and the person let go gets trashed through rumor and innuendo.
job ... but fans obviously only see above the surface of the water, so I am officially going to stop trying to figure stuff out and just roll with it.
Sometimes managers get credit for improvement that is happening despite them, not because of them. Sometimes they get credit for improvement when they're actually holding the organization back, and the improvement would have been better if they'd get out of the way. I've seen it happen.
So the improvement in the line may be despite Colombo.
Or, there's something else going on we aren't party to. That happens, too. Coaches get fired for the same reasons anybody else gets fired. Not just poor performance or insubordination, but all kinds of misconduct.
RE: RE: I was excited about the Colombo hire and thought he was doing a great
Or, there's something else going on we aren't party to. That happens, too. Coaches get fired for the same reasons anybody else gets fired. Not just poor performance or insubordination, but all kinds of misconduct.
It sounds like Colombo's mouth cost him his job. According to Garafalo Colombo told off Judge after the news about DeGuglielmo. Obviously Judge is not going to tolerate someone openly disrespecting him.
Look at the OL roster ... 4 rookies, 1 2nd year guy and 2 in their 3rd
year.... they need a lot of teaching and development, and maybe this was beyond Colombo’s reach, as a young coach himself. DD can teach and if he starts tomorrow, we’ll know he is thru the covid protocols and this was in the works for at least a week. Maybe it could have worked with him just being an advisor ... but we’ll never know.
Boy this is a shocker - I wonder where Garrett is on all this
Makes you wonder, as many have said above, that perhaps Colombo wasn't the one turning around the OL at all. If Judge and by silence Garrett, where involved then the transition should be easy. However if this was an out of the blu move by Judge, then the OL players and Garrett could be bent out of shape a little. I sure hope not, things were just starting.
The other thing that is clear is this was a thought through move, waiting until the break week to do it
RE: Boy this is a shocker - I wonder where Garrett is on all this
Makes you wonder, as many have said above, that perhaps Colombo wasn't the one turning around the OL at all. If Judge and by silence Garrett, where involved then the transition should be easy. However if this was an out of the blu move by Judge, then the OL players and Garrett could be bent out of shape a little. I sure hope not, things were just starting.
The other thing that is clear is this was a thought through move, waiting until the break week to do it
Whatever Garrett thinks, he's not going to opine publicly about it. They'll keep it in house
RE: RE: Boy this is a shocker - I wonder where Garrett is on all this
however....
I have also long believed that superior athletes make poor position coaches.
Success came naturally to them and they find it harder to relate to someone who has to put in a lot of effort to succeed.
There are a lot of very successful coaches who have played enough to understand the game but often rode the bench. (Dabo Swinney, walkon Alabama WR, is a recent example.)
wanted to bring in someone to help Columbo. Columbo didn't like it. He was fired. Lack of accountability has been one of our biggest problems for years. When you're 3-7, everything is analyzed, and everyone can be fired.
Turn that around though. If Columbo sucked, shouldn't he have just been fired? Why beat around the bush and 'save face' by hiring another 'consultant'? Do the proper and right thing and just fire him, who cares if it's just half season. Admit the mistake and move on (more honorable too). That's not the 'Giant way', I know.
Maybe they liked some aspects of Colombo's coaching, but not others? For example, maybe he was great at connecting and working with the guys, but not up to par in analyzing the tape and seeing where the breakdowns were occurring?
Imagine how McAdoo would have handled these situations
Quote:
Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
Plus a million
+2.
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by Mike G (miss that dude covering the Gmen and Eric and I had him on BBI Online Live a few times).
Go back to the report that the Georgia Coach said Thomas's technique was not what he had been coached before and maybe there was something to it.
Judge does not mess around and I love it. It sends a message to the players as well, not all blame will be on you. If coaches are not doing their jobs or not doing them the way Judge wants then changes will be made.
To follow-up on this, last week Thomas said in an interview that he was going back to some of the techniques he used in college the past few weeks. Couple that with the report from his college coach and the comments that Judge took more control of the OL, and I think there's some insight on why the change was made.
But it was something I didn't see coming. Pretty indicative of the way Judge will look at accountability.
it's funny, when I posted that story I was ridiculed. Author an asshole, shit stirrer, story is bullshit. old news. yadda yadda yadda from the usual suspects who just wanted to shit on Thomas and Gettleman
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:54 am
claims he has reverted to his GA technique
NY Giants’ Andrew Thomas’ major change powering major improvement - ( New Window )
this feels like a shit stirring article
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/12/2020 9:57 am : link : reply
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
Matt
Jon in NYC : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
RE: this feels like a shit stirring article
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
In comment 15043269 Jim in Forest Hills said:
Quote:
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
or maybe Colombo is smart enough to realize that not every technique is suitable to every player
Paul Alexander
gary_from_chester : 11/12/2020 10:03 am : link : reply
Is a self promoter who was canned in Dallas. Has an axe to grind IMO. Crap article by Lombardo.
Here is Paul Alexander’s site
Paul Alexander - ( New Window )
OL technique isn't like flipping a switch
regulator : 11/12/2020 10:04 am : link : reply
This is shit-stirring article.
Is this a second article
JonC : 11/12/2020 10:05 am : link : reply
from the same dude? Sounds like an axe to grind with Colombo.
so the same guy shitting on thomas a week or two ago
Platos : 11/12/2020 10:12 am : link : reply
is now claiming he's using his old technique...
which if you have eyes, know isn't true...
Paul Alexander
MattyKid : 11/12/2020 10:13 am : link : reply
Was on NFL Radio (Sirius) 2 weeks ago and discussed his technique at length. He worked with him prior to the draft and mentioned that he wasn't applying the strengths that made him a first rounder. Made the statement " I don't know who's in his ear" with respect to his change in technique (dig at Columbo). Alexander stated before the draft that Thomas was the best NFL ready tackle in the draft. Self promotion? Probably but I'm just happy he's playing better
This guy, a few weeks ago: "He's not using his Georgia technique"
Heisenberg : 11/12/2020 10:25 am : link : reply
Now: "He's using his Georgia technique"
Wow, some analysis. Basically said nothing more than he stunk and now he doesn't stink.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:12 am : link : reply
I see what he is say when I him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he when back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
Well let’s see if he can block
Carl in CT : 11/12/2020 11:13 am : link : reply
Philly this time.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:15 am : link : reply
I see what he is saying when I saw him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he went back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
RE: Matt
giants#1 : 11/12/2020 11:17 am : link : reply
In comment 15043277 Jon in NYC said:
Quote:
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
This. One unnamed "source" in the NFL claims Thomas reverted to his GA technique. Quotes from Paul Alexander and he doesn't even make that claim.
IDK
GoDeep13 : 11/12/2020 12:12 pm : link : reply
How much is true and how much is just talk but I did notice Thomas’s kick step looked different. As for the punch, I think he punched well (and did it with power) vs Washington.
I remember several of Thomas's post-game interviews in which he
Ira : 11/12/2020 1:12 pm : link : reply
said he was able to get by on athleticism in college, but needed to work on improving his technique to compete in the nfl. So I agree that the article is wrong.
That being said, I'm delighted that we got three young offensive linemen including two tackles who are proving themselves as rookies.
Judge doesn't play around.
I mean he appears to be in control of what is going and that he is not going to deal with BS. You can see that in how he handles players, the coaching staff and press conferences. Certainly he does not have control of the roster...yet.
I wish Judge was completely in charge. I just wanted to clarify the point that I don't think we're quite there...yet. ;)
It's pretty impressive when you think about it. Judge was a special teams coach who decided to help coach up the offensive line. During that time the offensive line began playing noticeably better.
Perhaps Judge learned a lot from watching Dante Scarnecchia in practice for years.
This.
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without knowing that it was Judge who was taking a more active role behind the scenes. Good for him in doing so, getting results, and being proactive to fix something that he thought wasn't working.
It's pretty impressive when you think about it. Judge was a special teams coach who decided to help coach up the offensive line. During that time the offensive line began playing noticeably better.
Perhaps Judge learned a lot from watching Dante Scarnecchia in practice for years.
He also coached blocking schemes on ST which I'd imagine has some crossover (or at least more than if he were a DB coach).
More than likely he was probably just better at communicating with the players and being flexible to let them stick with what they did well vs. overcoaching.
Turn it off! - ( New Window )
There's only one thing we can really know for sure about this. For good or bad, Joe Judge does not fuck around.
Based off of the line's significant improvement the past couple of weeks, it doesn't take a psychic to figure out that Columbo getting fired means that they were getting results by going away from Columbo's instructions.
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Judge has earned more trust than should be placed on anyone else in the organization. As far as I'm concerned he IS the New York Giants. What he says, goes.
Plus a million
He’s coached 10 games. Wow, are we willing to go all in fast. How does all of this information become public. How does that happen? Love Pat Hanlon, but I’ve often wondered about the Giants’ crisis communication strategy.
Yes. Replied to your comment on this on the other thread...
It is so damn difficult to evaluate OL coaches. The Colts offensive line under Hal Hunter allowed 65 sacks in 2017, and IMO was a big reason why Luck retired so early, and he was replaced by Dave DeGuglielmo. In 2018 the Colts line was one of the best in football. Now some of that had to do with rookies Quenton Nelson and Braden Smith but it was still an impressive turn around.
What concerns me is that DeGuglielmo appears to do a good job with each franchise that hires me but he is not there for long.
DD would be brought in for the rest of the year for familiarity, if nothing else.
This has already been debunked.
I think it was here where I read that his coach at GA couldn't believe what he was seeing with Thomas, and was really critical of the coaching. Now it makes sense.
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In comment 15049939 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
My wife has her period 1 week out of the month (and usually doesn't take it out on me).
You seem to have it every week. That must suck.
That is true but before that he had a pretty sterling reputation, I remember Jake Long having his best years with him as the OL coach and then falling off a cliff and never achieving pro bowl status again when he left. Some of that had to do with injuries of course.
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:54 am
claims he has reverted to his GA technique
NY Giants’ Andrew Thomas’ major change powering major improvement - ( New Window )
this feels like a shit stirring article
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/12/2020 9:57 am : link : reply
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
Matt
Jon in NYC : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
RE: this feels like a shit stirring article
Victor in CT : 11/12/2020 9:59 am : link : reply
In comment 15043269 Jim in Forest Hills said:
Quote:
trying to create a divide between Columbo/Thomas and Alexander. Disguised as a positive.
or maybe Colombo is smart enough to realize that not every technique is suitable to every player
Paul Alexander
gary_from_chester : 11/12/2020 10:03 am : link : reply
Is a self promoter who was canned in Dallas. Has an axe to grind IMO. Crap article by Lombardo.
Here is Paul Alexander’s site
Paul Alexander - ( New Window )
OL technique isn't like flipping a switch
regulator : 11/12/2020 10:04 am : link : reply
This is shit-stirring article.
Is this a second article
JonC : 11/12/2020 10:05 am : link : reply
from the same dude? Sounds like an axe to grind with Colombo.
so the same guy shitting on thomas a week or two ago
Platos : 11/12/2020 10:12 am : link : reply
is now claiming he's using his old technique...
which if you have eyes, know isn't true...
Paul Alexander
MattyKid : 11/12/2020 10:13 am : link : reply
Was on NFL Radio (Sirius) 2 weeks ago and discussed his technique at length. He worked with him prior to the draft and mentioned that he wasn't applying the strengths that made him a first rounder. Made the statement " I don't know who's in his ear" with respect to his change in technique (dig at Columbo). Alexander stated before the draft that Thomas was the best NFL ready tackle in the draft. Self promotion? Probably but I'm just happy he's playing better
This guy, a few weeks ago: "He's not using his Georgia technique"
Heisenberg : 11/12/2020 10:25 am : link : reply
Now: "He's using his Georgia technique"
Wow, some analysis. Basically said nothing more than he stunk and now he doesn't stink.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:12 am : link : reply
I see what he is say when I him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he when back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
Well let’s see if he can block
Carl in CT : 11/12/2020 11:13 am : link : reply
Philly this time.
I agree
DRich1980 : 11/12/2020 11:15 am : link : reply
I see what he is saying when I saw him struggling it was because he was using the punch something they didn't do at Georgia and it showed because whenever he punched he was off balance but in the last 2 weeks he went back to what he did a Georgia in where he would kind of open his chest and then grab the defender and when he gets his hands on them it's over
RE: Matt
giants#1 : 11/12/2020 11:17 am : link : reply
In comment 15043277 Jon in NYC said:
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Lombardo sucks. This is the same guy that claimed the Giants were getting Takk.
This. One unnamed "source" in the NFL claims Thomas reverted to his GA technique. Quotes from Paul Alexander and he doesn't even make that claim.
IDK
GoDeep13 : 11/12/2020 12:12 pm : link : reply
How much is true and how much is just talk but I did notice Thomas’s kick step looked different. As for the punch, I think he punched well (and did it with power) vs Washington.
I remember several of Thomas's post-game interviews in which he
Ira : 11/12/2020 1:12 pm : link : reply
said he was able to get by on athleticism in college, but needed to work on improving his technique to compete in the nfl. So I agree that the article is wrong.
That being said, I'm delighted that we got three young offensive linemen including two tackles who are proving themselves as rookies.
Looks like there was something to it after all. A bit of a shocker. We’ll see how this affects the team in the Cinci game.
Mike Garafolo on twitter with video - ( New Window )
After that initial shock, it's like, ok, this is Judges team and if this is what he wants, he must have a pretty good reason. He doesnt seem like the type to not think things through.
Gotta love his approach. He has consistently said since day one, that everyone has to buy in and work towards one goal, that's the coaches and players. He hasn't been afraid to bench players, or even out right replace them, so now it's on to the coaches. Earn your keep
I'm not going to lie I was kind of hoping for a Patrick Swayze Road house brawl where Judge dragged an unconscious Colombo out of the building.
Like when Gunny Highway knocks Swede on his ass!
Turn that around though. If Columbo sucked, shouldn't he have just been fired? Why beat around the bush and 'save face' by hiring another 'consultant'? Do the proper and right thing and just fire him, who cares if it's just half season. Admit the mistake and move on (more honorable too). That's not the 'Giant way', I know.
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In comment 15049939 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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So Colombo was a bust, Judge had to step in, and since then they've been better?
That of course, is what the Company wants you to believe.
Look for Columbo to be thoroughly trashed by the team and its toadies in the media.
Thanks, as always for your positive and constructive comments.
And I don't think Judge gives a fuck how things used to work. Whatever company line you are alluding to he clearly hasn't abided by.
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#InJudgeWeTrust
So the improvement in the line may be despite Colombo.
Or, there's something else going on we aren't party to. That happens, too. Coaches get fired for the same reasons anybody else gets fired. Not just poor performance or insubordination, but all kinds of misconduct.
Or, there's something else going on we aren't party to. That happens, too. Coaches get fired for the same reasons anybody else gets fired. Not just poor performance or insubordination, but all kinds of misconduct.
It sounds like Colombo's mouth cost him his job. According to Garafalo Colombo told off Judge after the news about DeGuglielmo. Obviously Judge is not going to tolerate someone openly disrespecting him.
Makes you wonder, as many have said above, that perhaps Colombo wasn't the one turning around the OL at all. If Judge and by silence Garrett, where involved then the transition should be easy. However if this was an out of the blu move by Judge, then the OL players and Garrett could be bent out of shape a little. I sure hope not, things were just starting.
The other thing that is clear is this was a thought through move, waiting until the break week to do it
Makes you wonder, as many have said above, that perhaps Colombo wasn't the one turning around the OL at all. If Judge and by silence Garrett, where involved then the transition should be easy. However if this was an out of the blu move by Judge, then the OL players and Garrett could be bent out of shape a little. I sure hope not, things were just starting.
The other thing that is clear is this was a thought through move, waiting until the break week to do it
Whatever Garrett thinks, he's not going to opine publicly about it. They'll keep it in house
Whatever Garrett thinks, he's not going to opine publicly about it. They'll keep it in house
yeah.. Garrett will just have that stupid pedophile smile on his face and won't say anything
I have also long believed that superior athletes make poor position coaches.
Success came naturally to them and they find it harder to relate to someone who has to put in a lot of effort to succeed.
There are a lot of very successful coaches who have played enough to understand the game but often rode the bench. (Dabo Swinney, walkon Alabama WR, is a recent example.)
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wanted to bring in someone to help Columbo. Columbo didn't like it. He was fired. Lack of accountability has been one of our biggest problems for years. When you're 3-7, everything is analyzed, and everyone can be fired.
Turn that around though. If Columbo sucked, shouldn't he have just been fired? Why beat around the bush and 'save face' by hiring another 'consultant'? Do the proper and right thing and just fire him, who cares if it's just half season. Admit the mistake and move on (more honorable too). That's not the 'Giant way', I know.
Maybe they liked some aspects of Colombo's coaching, but not others? For example, maybe he was great at connecting and working with the guys, but not up to par in analyzing the tape and seeing where the breakdowns were occurring?