before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.
Who's the rat?
Fair questions. We’re all making guesses, none of us were in the building.
And all that aside - regardless of how it went down, sounds like Colombo was an asshole about it, and Judge did the right thing by firing him immediately
If you are going to do this the bye week is right time. Anyone know the details of Columbo's contract? If he shoved Judge, they can fire him for cause. I think this was handled this way so Columbo would quit. Instead he got confrontational and fired for cause. Same outcome.
RE: RE: RE: I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo
before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.
Who's the rat?
Fair questions. We’re all making guesses, none of us were in the building.
And all that aside - regardless of how it went down, sounds like Colombo was an asshole about it, and Judge did the right thing by firing him immediately
Agree 100%; ego is involved especially when you think you're good at your job.
RE: RE: I agree with the notion Judge should have talked to Colombo
before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.
Who's the rat?
IMO, there's no "didn't have the opportunity" here because Colombo should have been told before anyone other than DeGuglielmo himself (or maybe Garrett too, at most - I'm assuming here that neither DG nor ownership would have even accidentally hung JJ out by mentioning anything to MC). It sounds like DD has been in contact with JJ for more than just the past couple of days, so JJ would have had the opportunity to make MC aware of it if he so chose.
I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that one element of this is not especially favorable for Judge. I don't think it makes him a bad coach or a bad person, but it's the first time that I think his inexperience as a HC may have been on display just a bit.
of an interesting incident between superior and subordinate coming out of WW2. ( and remember it is a story filed by a member of media who might be all wet)
Now both these guys had enormously more responsibility and pressure on them. Both were in different leagues in terms of maintaining self control.
So suddenly, Ike shows up at Bradleys headquarters and tells him he wants him to hold up, set his line and also take and hold a town they had not talked about and then wait for the Germans and for Patton. He does this in public (meaning within the hearing range of other members on their respective staffs) without regard for Bradleys feelings or input
Bradley get very upset (for him and compared to his normal range of reactions) and pushes back in a way he never did before. He does not want his hands tied, doesnt want to wait and as far as he is concerned, Patton should and does report to him.
He tells Ike he is going to resign for under these orders he cant be accountable to the American people and he wants to tell the families of the troops he commands ( close to a half a million) that he is resigning because he cant protect the boys under these orders.
Ike gets pissed at what he sees as insubordination and a reaction without realizing that Ike knows something he does not.
"Brad, its pointless to resign for that reason. You are only accountable to me. You are not accountable to the American people. Only I am. Now lets you and I take this in the other room to discuss"
Bradley takes this in and gets more agitated and continues in the board room in front of the Americans, Montgomerys staff, De Gaulles staff and some press.
Ike steps closer and puts his hands on Bradleys shoulders right over his stars and says while Bradley is in his rant:
" Brad, but these are my orders. They are still my orders Brad. And they will be my orders. Understand Brad?"
So Bradley stops suddenly and completely, collects himself and goes and starts giving Ike's desired orders down the chain.
About 15 minutes later Bradley says to Ike: "Ike ( they were friends) im getting a lot of questions. Why are we supposed to be taking and holding Bastogne?"
"Because"
RE: RE: RE: Like most, if not everyone, I read this and first said WTF
How is unsubstantiated? The coach at Georgia is the one who commented on the technique being different a few weeks ago and him using the Ga. technique now. He's not a reliable source?
Depends on how you look at it. Paul Alexander was fired by dallas and replaced by Colombo, who was his assistant. Could there be something there?
But the Axis probably had even more of those types of interactions (due to the nature of getting orders from a raving lunatic by the end of the war) and they lost.
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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.
Who's the rat?
Fair questions. We’re all making guesses, none of us were in the building.
And all that aside - regardless of how it went down, sounds like Colombo was an asshole about it, and Judge did the right thing by firing him immediately
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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.
Who's the rat?
Fair questions. We’re all making guesses, none of us were in the building.
And all that aside - regardless of how it went down, sounds like Colombo was an asshole about it, and Judge did the right thing by firing him immediately
Agree 100%; ego is involved especially when you think you're good at your job.
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before he found out through the rumor mill. Nothing wrong with making the move, but that’s a little inexperience on Judge’s part.
Maybe he didnt have the opportunity because someone got ahead of him. Perhaps, this was the convo to inform Colombo he was bringing in Gugs to help? Again, conjecture.
Who's the rat?
IMO, there's no "didn't have the opportunity" here because Colombo should have been told before anyone other than DeGuglielmo himself (or maybe Garrett too, at most - I'm assuming here that neither DG nor ownership would have even accidentally hung JJ out by mentioning anything to MC). It sounds like DD has been in contact with JJ for more than just the past couple of days, so JJ would have had the opportunity to make MC aware of it if he so chose.
I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that one element of this is not especially favorable for Judge. I don't think it makes him a bad coach or a bad person, but it's the first time that I think his inexperience as a HC may have been on display just a bit.
It's one thing to call another guy that, but sorta pathetic that others can't even reference the term other than with an abbreviation.
Now both these guys had enormously more responsibility and pressure on them. Both were in different leagues in terms of maintaining self control.
So suddenly, Ike shows up at Bradleys headquarters and tells him he wants him to hold up, set his line and also take and hold a town they had not talked about and then wait for the Germans and for Patton. He does this in public (meaning within the hearing range of other members on their respective staffs) without regard for Bradleys feelings or input
Bradley get very upset (for him and compared to his normal range of reactions) and pushes back in a way he never did before. He does not want his hands tied, doesnt want to wait and as far as he is concerned, Patton should and does report to him.
He tells Ike he is going to resign for under these orders he cant be accountable to the American people and he wants to tell the families of the troops he commands ( close to a half a million) that he is resigning because he cant protect the boys under these orders.
Ike gets pissed at what he sees as insubordination and a reaction without realizing that Ike knows something he does not.
"Brad, its pointless to resign for that reason. You are only accountable to me. You are not accountable to the American people. Only I am. Now lets you and I take this in the other room to discuss"
Bradley takes this in and gets more agitated and continues in the board room in front of the Americans, Montgomerys staff, De Gaulles staff and some press.
Ike steps closer and puts his hands on Bradleys shoulders right over his stars and says while Bradley is in his rant:
" Brad, but these are my orders. They are still my orders Brad. And they will be my orders. Understand Brad?"
So Bradley stops suddenly and completely, collects himself and goes and starts giving Ike's desired orders down the chain.
About 15 minutes later Bradley says to Ike: "Ike ( they were friends) im getting a lot of questions. Why are we supposed to be taking and holding Bastogne?"
"Because"
Depends on how you look at it. Paul Alexander was fired by dallas and replaced by Colombo, who was his assistant. Could there be something there?
Proving ships do pass in the night without seeing each other