not because I am against Colombo but because if Judge feels a change was needed- and this may have been in the works for a few weeks (waiting on the bye week)- then who are we to question that. He has done a great job to date and the Oline is playing better. If that is because of his having to intervene and assist with the Oline (perhaps the biggest issue was MC wasn't a teacher in the Judge said all of his coaches would be)then a change was definitely needed and definitely coming.
been quite a few comments from Judge in pressers regarding the offense over the season that he has some questions in general imo.
Agree, the new OL coach will be a try and buy. Evaluate at seasons end. Have to think this was in the works for weeks. I think most coaches would be very upset bringing in someone to assist them so I understand Columbo upset....lot of pride in the NFL.
We will see how things play out but I also think Judge may see Jones strengths differently and may make more changes at year ends.
Maybe, though, 6 years later he has a different perspective. Judge probably asked DD about the situation and told him he'll be on a short leash with players and the media. Having worked with him at NE, Judge knows exactly what he's getting. They only variable is Garrett, and Garrett may move on.
that Belichick fell out of favor with Dave DeGuglielmo, who he hired to replace Scarnecchia, and that led to Belichick coaxing the mad genius back out of retirement...
Is all that matters? Every single person on this board has lost someone, and had to go to work, or so I assume. Be a professional at work, period. As Bob Kelso used to say, "It's not bring your problems to work day, it's just work day."
Is all that matters? Every single person on this board has lost someone, and had to go to work, or so I assume. Be a professional at work, period. As Bob Kelso used to say, "It's not bring your problems to work day, it's just work day."
Most places of employment has bereavement time as PTO and those that dont normally a person uses PTO .... as well as the human factor.
Yes, taking time off for a bereavement is accepted
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
This. It’s mid season so it’s obviously not ideal.
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Can you imagine that visual at Jints Central where they bring in security to walk Colombo, who is a massive human being, out of the building?
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
In Colombo’s defense, if this is all about the blocking scheme,
Maybe, the plan was for Barkley to be the. #1 back and the scheme was set to take advantage of his outside the tackles style. Gallman and Morris (maybe Freeman too) are different than Barkley and maybe that had a lot to do with encouraging Colombo to change the scheme.
No offensive line expertise here, so take it for what it’s worth.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
Sounds like DeGuglielmo was a scapegoat; maybe to Tom Lady's whining
“The dismissal represents a sharp turn of events for DeGuglielmo, who had been praised this season for his work with an offensive line hit hard by injuries to several starters.”
“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
“The dismissal represents a sharp turn of events for DeGuglielmo, who had been praised this season for his work with an offensive line hit hard by injuries to several starters.”
“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
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Of course, New England went to three SBs and won two when Scarnecchia returned.
I have no comment on Dave D’ s history, but look at our OL roster ...
We have (4) rookies, a 2nd year guy (Barton) and (2) 3rd year guys, 1 of which is playing center for the time in his life. It’s clear these guys need to be taught and developed, and maybe that was beyond Colombo’s reach as a relatively new coach ... If nothing else, DD has a good track record of working with young guys .... Also, if he starts immediately, we’ll know he has the covid stuff behind him and this was in the works for at least a week. Maybe 1 day Colombo will look back and say he just should have accepted the help as offered.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm more bothered by what happened with him in NE than Indy
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
Yeah. If he was the longer term answer, why not hire him full time in the first place?
Is there any truth to Joe and Marc got into physically this AM and that led to the canning ....
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
It's too bad DuGuglielmo sucks though.
BB brought Dante S. back from out of retirement a few years
back...Dante has since retired again.
He was the OL coach for the Pats when they won the Super Bowl the year before he was replaced by Dante though — and was in demand enough to be hired by three more teams since then — unclear why the Dante return means he “sucks.” Tends to get rave reviews before he wears out his welcome personality wise.
The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
RE: The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
Exactly.
RE: The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
Is there any truth to Joe and Marc got into physically this AM and that led to the canning ....
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
RE: RE: The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
J McDaniels thought enough of him to hire him to be OL coach in his aborted Indy regime — and Ballard decided to keep him on anyway. Colts running game thrived in 2018, but Ballard fired him after the season amidst whispers of personality concerns. And then he immediately got hired by Miami. Obviously a talented, in-demand guy who tends to rub people the wrong way.
And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
I don't think there is piling on with the negative side.
Remember, DeGu finished runner-up to Colombo in the first go around.
I think it's more - at least on my end - of re-studying DeGu's path and trying to see why he didn't stick...especially with the Pats.
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
It makes me wonder about Garrett. Judge brought in a lot of Belichick/Saban coaches. Garrett did coach with Saban for a year, but plenty of people speculate Garrett was more of a Mara hire. Makes you wonder about any coach who isn’t familiar with the Belichick/Saban program.
I should add that Colombo had a background with Garrett
And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
Exactly. Some just have to have a definitive Answer to the question, is this a good or bad thing.
It s just a thing that happens in locker rooms. It could have a good or negative impact on the team, or none at all
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Agree completely. My comment was in terms of the fact that the Giants have a bit of a pattern of letting people in the building whose conduct is less than ideal. Some of these personality things you'd hope come out better before you hire them.
Now as for Judge, it could be that Garret puts up with more shit than him and Columbo couldn't handle being pushed back. And I agree good riddance to that especially with poor performance. I just wouldn't be too quick to isolate it to that when our problems with "difficult personalities" span many years at this point. Happy to get rid of people that don't perform just would like more of them to not get in the building in the first place.
Also with DG, there is a concern that we like big personalities that maybe border on too big or overconfident.
He had the Colts OL among the best in the league. Reich wanted to bring in his own guy. The Colts were ranked 2nd in pass blocking and 4th in run blocking his final year there.
The Dolphins wanted him back this past year, but they couldn't agree on $$$ and he wanted the Giants job. He then lost out to Colombo in the interview process.
From Colombo's perspective, it's not just that a consultant was hired. It's the candidate you were interviewing against. Ouch.
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
This is likely all true. I would add however that there is definitely a management style of bringing in an "assistant" or "consultant" to help, in order to investigate what is really going on and to create a smooth transition. So what I am saying is this might not be as innocent as getting Colombo more help. It could also be that this guy comes in, gives Judge his opinion on everything going wrong (which Colombo would take as spying), and then at the end of the season DeGuglielmo knows all the players and schemes so the firing of Colombo is a smooth thing for the team and players.
Colombo handled it completely wrong, but a lot of people would have taken this as the first step out the door (in any industry).
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Colombo fires off the "C-word" in his rage.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
a bunch of judgmental assholes here on BBI are telling us that DD is a judgmental asshole and an awful person. Seems like a circular argument, no?
Fact is he did a good job in Indy but was let go because Frank Reich wanted his own guy. He went to Miami, did a good job, Flores wanted him back but could not agree on $$. He missed out on the Giants job for whatever reason(probably Garrett's recommendation). Meanwhile, Judge needed to help with the oline the past three weeks( I guess because Colombo wasn't meeting expectations) so he hires DeGuglielmo to assist, Colombo was insulted, bitched and was canned. So who is the asshole?
From Jack shit through a mutual friend Guge spent the entire afternoon with me a day before the KC game in 2006 @ stadium saw everything locker rooms offices field even showed me the playbook before game which Tiki had 220:yrs . Threw in a field pass as well. Great guy. Hope it works out.
RE: RE: Judge seems to be a good judge of character
...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
We've got some characters alright...Bielema and Kitchens. Ha.
The only horror story I heard about ANY of the ACs since the season started is this one about Colombo, one who Judge DIDN'T know personally and hired largely on Garrets voucher and request. Haven't heard any stories this year about Kitchens or Bielema. Dunno why we're throwing crap at them for good measure.
...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
So if he brought him in on garrets say so, are you saying we should dump garret? Or Judge shouldn't have brought in any of garrets guys and accepted his voucher for them? Or are you saying JJ's judgement sucks and we should can him?
And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
I don't think there is piling on with the negative side.
Remember, DeGu finished runner-up to Colombo in the first go around.
I think it's more - at least on my end - of re-studying DeGu's path and trying to see why he didn't stick...especially with the Pats.
He got fired cause he's an asshole, and he's probably a better position coach than Colombo, and most others out there. Process that, it isn't that complicated.
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have
for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.
Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
yeah I do. It's not even a question. A player was told he would never play and thus not be able to feed his family in the future because his brother was murdered. That is a definition of a piece of shit human. Why does this need to be explained on BBI? A bunch of you are clear sociopaths.
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Not sure what part of my post you struggled to comprehend, but it shouldn't have been that challenging.
a bunch of judgmental assholes here on BBI are telling us that DD is a judgmental asshole and an awful person. Seems like a circular argument, no?
Fact is he did a good job in Indy but was let go because Frank Reich wanted his own guy. He went to Miami, did a good job, Flores wanted him back but could not agree on $$. He missed out on the Giants job for whatever reason(probably Garrett's recommendation). Meanwhile, Judge needed to help with the oline the past three weeks( I guess because Colombo wasn't meeting expectations) so he hires DeGuglielmo to assist, Colombo was insulted, bitched and was canned. So who is the asshole?
Isn't this always the question on firings? Good post. Columbo reverted to form and he was sent on his way.
When Judge went into great detail about the blocking schemes on Monday's video presser (made me wonder if he was stepping in personally because Columbo wasn't doing his job, well enough); then he brought in Dave Guglielmo as an assistant ...
Columbo blew up, and it was over.
Dave has been around, plenty. At the Pats, he couldn't be was Dante S. was, so Bill dumped him. With the Colts he did a great job but I've read somewhere that he mistreated a player
(who was grieving a family loss (then they dumped him).
Next, he went to Miami; Flores and him mutually agreed to part ways. Judge knows him and his history; hope he can keep Dave on the rails.
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Not sure what part of my post you struggled to comprehend, but it shouldn't have been that challenging.
When Judge went into great detail about the blocking schemes on Monday's video presser (made me wonder if he was stepping in personally because Columbo wasn't doing his job, well enough); then he brought in Dave Guglielmo as an assistant ...
Columbo blew up, and it was over.
Dave has been around, plenty. At the Pats, he couldn't be was Dante S. was, so Bill dumped him. With the Colts he did a great job but I've read somewhere that he mistreated a player
(who was grieving a family loss (then they dumped him).
Next, he went to Miami; Flores and him mutually agreed to part ways. Judge knows him and his history; hope he can keep Dave on the rails.
for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.
Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
yeah I do. It's not even a question. A player was told he would never play and thus not be able to feed his family in the future because his brother was murdered. That is a definition of a piece of shit human. Why does this need to be explained on BBI? A bunch of you are clear sociopaths.
it “hes to be explained” because you have no idea if it’s true or not.
And regarding the patriots apparently ‘Joe was “in the building” when his tenure ended there.
I trust the Coach.
Judge anticipates everything so when he brought DeG in as consultant
He should have anticipated what Colombo’s reaction might be. I expect he didn’t really want to replace Colombo but had Plan B ready.
Considering Colombo and DeG were the top 2 candidates back in January, I’m sure he knew what he was getting with DeG, an experienced and successful but well traveled line coach, with a not-so-great skill at personal relationships.
Colombo and DeG sound like the same person but Colombo does not have the years of coaching experience and only has a couple of years of apparent success. With the information we have, I am actually a bit surprised that Colombo was hired over DeG. Maybe the tie breaker was the relationship with Garrett, although I wonder if Garrett was hired before the offensive line coach. Not sure of the timing there.
I guess in retrospect, it could have worked out better if the bye week was around week 7, but who really cares. Even with the improvement of the past few weeks, it sounds like Colombo was one and done. So DeG coaches up the line the way Judge wants it (the Patriots Way) and the Giants continue tryouts, although this time with a coach instead of a player.
RE: RE: RE: Judge seems to be a good judge of character
...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
So if he brought him in on garrets say so, are you saying we should dump garret? Or Judge shouldn't have brought in any of garrets guys and accepted his voucher for them? Or are you saying JJ's judgement sucks and we should can him?
I don't think you really need to give him the benefit of the doubt. This is Judge's guy, so if it doesn't work out, as it hasn't in many other places, it falls on him.
My youngest draft pick was forced to leave this team because of this Columbo business. All right. And I have to make arrangements to bring him back here safely, cleared of all these false charges. But I'm a superstitious man. And if some unlucky accident should befall him - if he should get a strained MCL, or if he should stub his toe in the locker room, or if he's struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room. And that I do not forgive. But that aside, let me say that I swear on the souls of my grandchildren that I will not be the one to break the peace that we've made here today.
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Agree, the new OL coach will be a try and buy. Evaluate at seasons end. Have to think this was in the works for weeks. I think most coaches would be very upset bringing in someone to assist them so I understand Columbo upset....lot of pride in the NFL.
We will see how things play out but I also think Judge may see Jones strengths differently and may make more changes at year ends.
If true, that's an understatment...
Most places of employment has bereavement time as PTO and those that dont normally a person uses PTO .... as well as the human factor.
We've got some characters alright...Bielema and Kitchens. Ha.
The man has many talents
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
This. It’s mid season so it’s obviously not ideal.
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Can you imagine that visual at Jints Central where they bring in security to walk Colombo, who is a massive human being, out of the building?
Judge should give each of the OL players a direct line to him to report and nonsense from this guy.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
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Belichick didn't seem to be a fan.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
No offensive line expertise here, so take it for what it’s worth.
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Belichick didn't seem to be a fan.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
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“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
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Of course, New England went to three SBs and won two when Scarnecchia returned.
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Belichick didn't seem to be a fan.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
Yeah. If he was the longer term answer, why not hire him full time in the first place?
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
Maybe not so different from Colombo in that regard.
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Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
It's too bad DuGuglielmo sucks though.
BB brought Dante S. back from out of retirement a few years
back...Dante has since retired again.
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Three of the five families.
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It's too bad DuGuglielmo sucks though.
BB brought Dante S. back from out of retirement a few years
back...Dante has since retired again.
He was the OL coach for the Pats when they won the Super Bowl the year before he was replaced by Dante though — and was in demand enough to be hired by three more teams since then — unclear why the Dante return means he “sucks.” Tends to get rave reviews before he wears out his welcome personality wise.
Exactly.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
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Is there any truth to Joe and Marc got into physically this AM and that led to the canning ....
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
Interesting ... thanks for the feedback
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
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brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
J McDaniels thought enough of him to hire him to be OL coach in his aborted Indy regime — and Ballard decided to keep him on anyway. Colts running game thrived in 2018, but Ballard fired him after the season amidst whispers of personality concerns. And then he immediately got hired by Miami. Obviously a talented, in-demand guy who tends to rub people the wrong way.
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Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
I don't think there is piling on with the negative side.
Remember, DeGu finished runner-up to Colombo in the first go around.
I think it's more - at least on my end - of re-studying DeGu's path and trying to see why he didn't stick...especially with the Pats.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
+1
Sounds logical to me.
Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
It makes me wonder about Garrett. Judge brought in a lot of Belichick/Saban coaches. Garrett did coach with Saban for a year, but plenty of people speculate Garrett was more of a Mara hire. Makes you wonder about any coach who isn’t familiar with the Belichick/Saban program.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
Exactly. Some just have to have a definitive Answer to the question, is this a good or bad thing.
It s just a thing that happens in locker rooms. It could have a good or negative impact on the team, or none at all
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Agree completely. My comment was in terms of the fact that the Giants have a bit of a pattern of letting people in the building whose conduct is less than ideal. Some of these personality things you'd hope come out better before you hire them.
Now as for Judge, it could be that Garret puts up with more shit than him and Columbo couldn't handle being pushed back. And I agree good riddance to that especially with poor performance. I just wouldn't be too quick to isolate it to that when our problems with "difficult personalities" span many years at this point. Happy to get rid of people that don't perform just would like more of them to not get in the building in the first place.
Also with DG, there is a concern that we like big personalities that maybe border on too big or overconfident.
The Dolphins wanted him back this past year, but they couldn't agree on $$$ and he wanted the Giants job. He then lost out to Colombo in the interview process.
From Colombo's perspective, it's not just that a consultant was hired. It's the candidate you were interviewing against. Ouch.
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
This is likely all true. I would add however that there is definitely a management style of bringing in an "assistant" or "consultant" to help, in order to investigate what is really going on and to create a smooth transition. So what I am saying is this might not be as innocent as getting Colombo more help. It could also be that this guy comes in, gives Judge his opinion on everything going wrong (which Colombo would take as spying), and then at the end of the season DeGuglielmo knows all the players and schemes so the firing of Colombo is a smooth thing for the team and players.
Colombo handled it completely wrong, but a lot of people would have taken this as the first step out the door (in any industry).
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Colombo fires off the "C-word" in his rage.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Fact is he did a good job in Indy but was let go because Frank Reich wanted his own guy. He went to Miami, did a good job, Flores wanted him back but could not agree on $$. He missed out on the Giants job for whatever reason(probably Garrett's recommendation). Meanwhile, Judge needed to help with the oline the past three weeks( I guess because Colombo wasn't meeting expectations) so he hires DeGuglielmo to assist, Colombo was insulted, bitched and was canned. So who is the asshole?
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
We've got some characters alright...Bielema and Kitchens. Ha.
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
I’m referring to DeGuglielmo and Judge I’m sure hired Colombo moreso at Garrett’s request.
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
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And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
I don't think there is piling on with the negative side.
Remember, DeGu finished runner-up to Colombo in the first go around.
I think it's more - at least on my end - of re-studying DeGu's path and trying to see why he didn't stick...especially with the Pats.
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.
Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
yeah I do. It's not even a question. A player was told he would never play and thus not be able to feed his family in the future because his brother was murdered. That is a definition of a piece of shit human. Why does this need to be explained on BBI? A bunch of you are clear sociopaths.
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Not sure what part of my post you struggled to comprehend, but it shouldn't have been that challenging.
Fact is he did a good job in Indy but was let go because Frank Reich wanted his own guy. He went to Miami, did a good job, Flores wanted him back but could not agree on $$. He missed out on the Giants job for whatever reason(probably Garrett's recommendation). Meanwhile, Judge needed to help with the oline the past three weeks( I guess because Colombo wasn't meeting expectations) so he hires DeGuglielmo to assist, Colombo was insulted, bitched and was canned. So who is the asshole?
Isn't this always the question on firings? Good post. Columbo reverted to form and he was sent on his way.
When Judge went into great detail about the blocking schemes on Monday's video presser (made me wonder if he was stepping in personally because Columbo wasn't doing his job, well enough); then he brought in Dave Guglielmo as an assistant ...
Columbo blew up, and it was over.
Dave has been around, plenty. At the Pats, he couldn't be was Dante S. was, so Bill dumped him. With the Colts he did a great job but I've read somewhere that he mistreated a player
(who was grieving a family loss (then they dumped him).
Next, he went to Miami; Flores and him mutually agreed to part ways. Judge knows him and his history; hope he can keep Dave on the rails.
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.
Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
To be fair, it's a pretty telling incident.
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...
-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.
At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Not sure what part of my post you struggled to comprehend, but it shouldn't have been that challenging.
When Judge went into great detail about the blocking schemes on Monday's video presser (made me wonder if he was stepping in personally because Columbo wasn't doing his job, well enough); then he brought in Dave Guglielmo as an assistant ...
Columbo blew up, and it was over.
Dave has been around, plenty. At the Pats, he couldn't be was Dante S. was, so Bill dumped him. With the Colts he did a great job but I've read somewhere that he mistreated a player
(who was grieving a family loss (then they dumped him).
Next, he went to Miami; Flores and him mutually agreed to part ways. Judge knows him and his history; hope he can keep Dave on the rails.
+1 for you Manny
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.
Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
yeah I do. It's not even a question. A player was told he would never play and thus not be able to feed his family in the future because his brother was murdered. That is a definition of a piece of shit human. Why does this need to be explained on BBI? A bunch of you are clear sociopaths.
And regarding the patriots apparently ‘Joe was “in the building” when his tenure ended there.
I trust the Coach.
Considering Colombo and DeG were the top 2 candidates back in January, I’m sure he knew what he was getting with DeG, an experienced and successful but well traveled line coach, with a not-so-great skill at personal relationships.
Colombo and DeG sound like the same person but Colombo does not have the years of coaching experience and only has a couple of years of apparent success. With the information we have, I am actually a bit surprised that Colombo was hired over DeG. Maybe the tie breaker was the relationship with Garrett, although I wonder if Garrett was hired before the offensive line coach. Not sure of the timing there.
I guess in retrospect, it could have worked out better if the bye week was around week 7, but who really cares. Even with the improvement of the past few weeks, it sounds like Colombo was one and done. So DeG coaches up the line the way Judge wants it (the Patriots Way) and the Giants continue tryouts, although this time with a coach instead of a player.
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.
Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
So if he brought him in on garrets say so, are you saying we should dump garret? Or Judge shouldn't have brought in any of garrets guys and accepted his voucher for them? Or are you saying JJ's judgement sucks and we should can him?
HUH?! Who said anything about canning Garrett?!
My youngest draft pick was forced to leave this team because of this Columbo business. All right. And I have to make arrangements to bring him back here safely, cleared of all these false charges. But I'm a superstitious man. And if some unlucky accident should befall him - if he should get a strained MCL, or if he should stub his toe in the locker room, or if he's struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room. And that I do not forgive. But that aside, let me say that I swear on the souls of my grandchildren that I will not be the one to break the peace that we've made here today.