not because I am against Colombo but because if Judge feels a change was needed- and this may have been in the works for a few weeks (waiting on the bye week)- then who are we to question that. He has done a great job to date and the Oline is playing better. If that is because of his having to intervene and assist with the Oline (perhaps the biggest issue was MC wasn't a teacher in the Judge said all of his coaches would be)then a change was definitely needed and definitely coming.
been quite a few comments from Judge in pressers regarding the offense over the season that he has some questions in general imo.
Agree, the new OL coach will be a try and buy. Evaluate at seasons end. Have to think this was in the works for weeks. I think most coaches would be very upset bringing in someone to assist them so I understand Columbo upset....lot of pride in the NFL.
We will see how things play out but I also think Judge may see Jones strengths differently and may make more changes at year ends.
Maybe, though, 6 years later he has a different perspective. Judge probably asked DD about the situation and told him he'll be on a short leash with players and the media. Having worked with him at NE, Judge knows exactly what he's getting. They only variable is Garrett, and Garrett may move on.
that Belichick fell out of favor with Dave DeGuglielmo, who he hired to replace Scarnecchia, and that led to Belichick coaxing the mad genius back out of retirement...
Is all that matters? Every single person on this board has lost someone, and had to go to work, or so I assume. Be a professional at work, period. As Bob Kelso used to say, "It's not bring your problems to work day, it's just work day."
Is all that matters? Every single person on this board has lost someone, and had to go to work, or so I assume. Be a professional at work, period. As Bob Kelso used to say, "It's not bring your problems to work day, it's just work day."
Most places of employment has bereavement time as PTO and those that dont normally a person uses PTO .... as well as the human factor.
Yes, taking time off for a bereavement is accepted
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
This. It’s mid season so it’s obviously not ideal.
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Can you imagine that visual at Jints Central where they bring in security to walk Colombo, who is a massive human being, out of the building?
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
In Colombo’s defense, if this is all about the blocking scheme,
Maybe, the plan was for Barkley to be the. #1 back and the scheme was set to take advantage of his outside the tackles style. Gallman and Morris (maybe Freeman too) are different than Barkley and maybe that had a lot to do with encouraging Colombo to change the scheme.
No offensive line expertise here, so take it for what it’s worth.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
Sounds like DeGuglielmo was a scapegoat; maybe to Tom Lady's whining
“The dismissal represents a sharp turn of events for DeGuglielmo, who had been praised this season for his work with an offensive line hit hard by injuries to several starters.”
“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
“The dismissal represents a sharp turn of events for DeGuglielmo, who had been praised this season for his work with an offensive line hit hard by injuries to several starters.”
“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
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Of course, New England went to three SBs and won two when Scarnecchia returned.
I have no comment on Dave D’ s history, but look at our OL roster ...
We have (4) rookies, a 2nd year guy (Barton) and (2) 3rd year guys, 1 of which is playing center for the time in his life. It’s clear these guys need to be taught and developed, and maybe that was beyond Colombo’s reach as a relatively new coach ... If nothing else, DD has a good track record of working with young guys .... Also, if he starts immediately, we’ll know he has the covid stuff behind him and this was in the works for at least a week. Maybe 1 day Colombo will look back and say he just should have accepted the help as offered.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm more bothered by what happened with him in NE than Indy
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
Yeah. If he was the longer term answer, why not hire him full time in the first place?
Is there any truth to Joe and Marc got into physically this AM and that led to the canning ....
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
It's too bad DuGuglielmo sucks though.
BB brought Dante S. back from out of retirement a few years
back...Dante has since retired again.
He was the OL coach for the Pats when they won the Super Bowl the year before he was replaced by Dante though — and was in demand enough to be hired by three more teams since then — unclear why the Dante return means he “sucks.” Tends to get rave reviews before he wears out his welcome personality wise.
The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
RE: The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
Exactly.
RE: The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
Is there any truth to Joe and Marc got into physically this AM and that led to the canning ....
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
RE: RE: The fact people are acting like Deguglielmo sucks because they
brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
J McDaniels thought enough of him to hire him to be OL coach in his aborted Indy regime — and Ballard decided to keep him on anyway. Colts running game thrived in 2018, but Ballard fired him after the season amidst whispers of personality concerns. And then he immediately got hired by Miami. Obviously a talented, in-demand guy who tends to rub people the wrong way.
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Agree, the new OL coach will be a try and buy. Evaluate at seasons end. Have to think this was in the works for weeks. I think most coaches would be very upset bringing in someone to assist them so I understand Columbo upset....lot of pride in the NFL.
We will see how things play out but I also think Judge may see Jones strengths differently and may make more changes at year ends.
If true, that's an understatment...
Most places of employment has bereavement time as PTO and those that dont normally a person uses PTO .... as well as the human factor.
We've got some characters alright...Bielema and Kitchens. Ha.
The man has many talents
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
This. It’s mid season so it’s obviously not ideal.
Best guess he was brought in to be assistant OL coach. Columbo is apparently a hot head too and didn’t take it well. Things got heated and he got canned. Putting all the pieces together
Can you imagine that visual at Jints Central where they bring in security to walk Colombo, who is a massive human being, out of the building?
Judge should give each of the OL players a direct line to him to report and nonsense from this guy.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
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Belichick didn't seem to be a fan.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
No offensive line expertise here, so take it for what it’s worth.
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Belichick didn't seem to be a fan.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
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“DeGuglielmo feels like a victim of circumstance more than anything. He was coaching up a patchwork line protecting a slow-footed 38-year-old passer against arguably the best defense in football. DeGuglielmo ran out of answers on Sunday, and it cost him his job.”
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Of course, New England went to three SBs and won two when Scarnecchia returned.
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Belichick didn't seem to be a fan.
I've said similar.
Belichick had had enough and pulled Scarneccia off the Bocce court and back into that role...
Nothing to see here as we play out the season. If he’s retained for 2021, then there might be something to complain about. My sense is he’s a stopgap for ‘20
I think you're right. If they were planning on bringing in DeGuglielmo to serve as a consultant that doesn't exactly confirm that he is a long term answer. I agree with you that he's just a stopgap and Judge will likely hire a new OL coach this offseason.
Yeah. If he was the longer term answer, why not hire him full time in the first place?
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
Maybe not so different from Colombo in that regard.
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Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
It's too bad DuGuglielmo sucks though.
BB brought Dante S. back from out of retirement a few years
back...Dante has since retired again.
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It's too bad DuGuglielmo sucks though.
BB brought Dante S. back from out of retirement a few years
back...Dante has since retired again.
He was the OL coach for the Pats when they won the Super Bowl the year before he was replaced by Dante though — and was in demand enough to be hired by three more teams since then — unclear why the Dante return means he “sucks.” Tends to get rave reviews before he wears out his welcome personality wise.
Exactly.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
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Is there any truth to Joe and Marc got into physically this AM and that led to the canning ....
No asshaterry here based on what happened this morning. But Columbo was the same year as me at BC. And I knew a couple of his best friends on the team well. Both were very nice guys, one of which also played in NFL...but didn't come close to Columbo's NFL success. Now Columbo on the other hand was far from a nice guy. Complete ASSHOLE...hot head, tough guy type. He was the type of guy that just looked to start trouble with people half his size. I could share a couple stories, but it doesn't matter. I posted this when he was hired. Not that I was against the hire, as being an asshole doesn't necessarily make you a bad OL coach. Not to mention people typically cool down from 19 years old to 41. But in the end, people are who they are.
With all that said, who knows...maybe this will end up being a precursor to a bunch more of negative stuff with Judge. And Judge will continue the line of loser head coaches since Coughlin. But I don't know Judge, and I do know Columbo. So none of the reports surprise me one bit, that Columbo wouldn't have taken the news well that Judge was getting him help on the OL...and that Columbo would have even gotten somewhat physical with Judge.
Interesting ... thanks for the feedback
Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.
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brought Dante out of retirement to replace him. That dude is arguably the best OL coach of all time. He has a pretty good resume, but he’s another hard to work with asshole which seems to be a trend at this position coach. Probably why Haley got job after job, nice guy who didn’t rock the boat and did what he was told.
I mentioned the change in New England not because I think DeGuglielmo sucks, but because Belichick seemed to have lost confidence in him. So he kidnapped Scarnecchia away from his retirement and bought him back... ;)
J McDaniels thought enough of him to hire him to be OL coach in his aborted Indy regime — and Ballard decided to keep him on anyway. Colts running game thrived in 2018, but Ballard fired him after the season amidst whispers of personality concerns. And then he immediately got hired by Miami. Obviously a talented, in-demand guy who tends to rub people the wrong way.
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