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Strahan91 : 11/18/2020 12:44 pm
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RE: None of this is ideal..  
bw in dc : 11/18/2020 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15050458 Sean said:
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And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.

Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.


I don't think there is piling on with the negative side.

Remember, DeGu finished runner-up to Colombo in the first go around.

I think it's more - at least on my end - of re-studying DeGu's path and trying to see why he didn't stick...especially with the Pats.
Sean it's definitely a negative  
NoGainDayne : 11/18/2020 5:19 pm : link
not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.
RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
bw in dc : 11/18/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.


I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
RE: RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
5BowlsSoon : 11/18/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15050495 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:


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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...


+1

Sounds logical to me.
RE: so much  
5BowlsSoon : 11/18/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 15050243 broadbandz said:
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.


Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?
RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
Sean : 11/18/2020 5:47 pm : link
In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.


It makes me wonder about Garrett. Judge brought in a lot of Belichick/Saban coaches. Garrett did coach with Saban for a year, but plenty of people speculate Garrett was more of a Mara hire. Makes you wonder about any coach who isn’t familiar with the Belichick/Saban program.
I should add that Colombo had a background with Garrett  
Sean : 11/18/2020 5:49 pm : link
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RE: None of this is ideal..  
joeinpa : 11/18/2020 5:54 pm : link
In comment 15050458 Sean said:
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And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.

Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.


Exactly. Some just have to have a definitive Answer to the question, is this a good or bad thing.

It s just a thing that happens in locker rooms. It could have a good or negative impact on the team, or none at all
RE: RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
NoGainDayne : 11/18/2020 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15050495 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:


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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...


Agree completely. My comment was in terms of the fact that the Giants have a bit of a pattern of letting people in the building whose conduct is less than ideal. Some of these personality things you'd hope come out better before you hire them.

Now as for Judge, it could be that Garret puts up with more shit than him and Columbo couldn't handle being pushed back. And I agree good riddance to that especially with poor performance. I just wouldn't be too quick to isolate it to that when our problems with "difficult personalities" span many years at this point. Happy to get rid of people that don't perform just would like more of them to not get in the building in the first place.

Also with DG, there is a concern that we like big personalities that maybe border on too big or overconfident.
I'd be careful about ripping him.  
mittenedman : 11/18/2020 6:14 pm : link
He had the Colts OL among the best in the league. Reich wanted to bring in his own guy. The Colts were ranked 2nd in pass blocking and 4th in run blocking his final year there.
The Dolphins wanted him back this past year, but they couldn't agree on $$$ and he wanted the Giants job. He then lost out to Colombo in the interview process.

From Colombo's perspective, it's not just that a consultant was hired. It's the candidate you were interviewing against. Ouch.
RE: RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2020 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15050495 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:


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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...


This is likely all true. I would add however that there is definitely a management style of bringing in an "assistant" or "consultant" to help, in order to investigate what is really going on and to create a smooth transition. So what I am saying is this might not be as innocent as getting Colombo more help. It could also be that this guy comes in, gives Judge his opinion on everything going wrong (which Colombo would take as spying), and then at the end of the season DeGuglielmo knows all the players and schemes so the firing of Colombo is a smooth thing for the team and players.

Colombo handled it completely wrong, but a lot of people would have taken this as the first step out the door (in any industry).
Added one more highlight  
LBH15 : 11/18/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15050495 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:


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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Colombo fires off the "C-word" in his rage.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Funny thing here is that  
section125 : 11/18/2020 7:26 pm : link
a bunch of judgmental assholes here on BBI are telling us that DD is a judgmental asshole and an awful person. Seems like a circular argument, no?

Fact is he did a good job in Indy but was let go because Frank Reich wanted his own guy. He went to Miami, did a good job, Flores wanted him back but could not agree on $$. He missed out on the Giants job for whatever reason(probably Garrett's recommendation). Meanwhile, Judge needed to help with the oline the past three weeks( I guess because Colombo wasn't meeting expectations) so he hires DeGuglielmo to assist, Colombo was insulted, bitched and was canned. So who is the asshole?
Didn’t know Guge  
big canoe jeff : 11/18/2020 7:52 pm : link
From Jack shit through a mutual friend Guge spent the entire afternoon with me a day before the KC game in 2006 @ stadium saw everything locker rooms offices field even showed me the playbook before game which Tiki had 220:yrs . Threw in a field pass as well. Great guy. Hope it works out.
RE: RE: Judge seems to be a good judge of character  
Red Right Hand : 11/18/2020 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15050194 FranknWeezer said:
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.



We've got some characters alright...Bielema and Kitchens. Ha.
The only horror story I heard about ANY of the ACs since the season started is this one about Colombo, one who Judge DIDN'T know personally and hired largely on Garrets voucher and request. Haven't heard any stories this year about Kitchens or Bielema. Dunno why we're throwing crap at them for good measure.
RE: so much  
Red Right Hand : 11/18/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15050243 broadbandz said:
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.
Funny how that's a big issue when it's a coach, but not a player, like a WR or CB.
RE: RE: Judge seems to be a good judge of character  
Simms11 : 11/18/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15050426 NoGainDayne said:
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.



Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.


I’m referring to DeGuglielmo and Judge I’m sure hired Colombo moreso at Garrett’s request.
Best quote  
Red Right Hand : 11/18/2020 8:35 pm : link
"is there a code, or do I just dial 9?"
RE: RE: Judge seems to be a good judge of character  
Red Right Hand : 11/18/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15050426 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15050160 Simms11 said:


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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.



Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.
So if he brought him in on garrets say so, are you saying we should dump garret? Or Judge shouldn't have brought in any of garrets guys and accepted his voucher for them? Or are you saying JJ's judgement sucks and we should can him?
RE: RE: None of this is ideal..  
Red Right Hand : 11/18/2020 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15050483 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15050458 Sean said:


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And honestly, none of us know what happened. There is no way Judge wanted a coaching change mid season like this, but if DeGu was brought in to consult and Colombo lost his shit, yeah he should be fired.

Anyone who is looking at this as a positive is likely overreaching and everyone who is looking at this as a negative is just piling on. We’ll see how it plays out.



I don't think there is piling on with the negative side.

Remember, DeGu finished runner-up to Colombo in the first go around.

I think it's more - at least on my end - of re-studying DeGu's path and trying to see why he didn't stick...especially with the Pats.
He got fired cause he's an asshole, and he's probably a better position coach than Colombo, and most others out there. Process that, it isn't that complicated.
RE: RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
Red Right Hand : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15050495 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:


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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...
Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have
RE: RE: so much  
broadbandz : 11/18/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15050498 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 15050243 broadbandz said:


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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.



Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?


yeah I do. It's not even a question. A player was told he would never play and thus not be able to feed his family in the future because his brother was murdered. That is a definition of a piece of shit human. Why does this need to be explained on BBI? A bunch of you are clear sociopaths.
Broad  
cosmicj : 11/18/2020 8:56 pm : link
That story may or may not be true. The press report I saw only had the player’s side of things. Nothing from DeGugliemo or the Colts.
RE: RE: RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
bw in dc : 11/18/2020 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15050730 Red Right Hand said:
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In comment 15050487 NoGainDayne said:


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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...

Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have


I have no idea what you are talking about.

Not sure what part of my post you struggled to comprehend, but it shouldn't have been that challenging.
RE: Funny thing here is that  
Ike#88 : 11/18/2020 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15050588 section125 said:
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a bunch of judgmental assholes here on BBI are telling us that DD is a judgmental asshole and an awful person. Seems like a circular argument, no?

Fact is he did a good job in Indy but was let go because Frank Reich wanted his own guy. He went to Miami, did a good job, Flores wanted him back but could not agree on $$. He missed out on the Giants job for whatever reason(probably Garrett's recommendation). Meanwhile, Judge needed to help with the oline the past three weeks( I guess because Colombo wasn't meeting expectations) so he hires DeGuglielmo to assist, Colombo was insulted, bitched and was canned. So who is the asshole?


Isn't this always the question on firings? Good post. Columbo reverted to form and he was sent on his way.
Think the writing was on the wall ...  
Manny in CA : 11/18/2020 10:40 pm : link

When Judge went into great detail about the blocking schemes on Monday's video presser (made me wonder if he was stepping in personally because Columbo wasn't doing his job, well enough); then he brought in Dave Guglielmo as an assistant ...

Columbo blew up, and it was over.

Dave has been around, plenty. At the Pats, he couldn't be was Dante S. was, so Bill dumped him. With the Colts he did a great job but I've read somewhere that he mistreated a player
(who was grieving a family loss (then they dumped him).

Next, he went to Miami; Flores and him mutually agreed to part ways. Judge knows him and his history; hope he can keep Dave on the rails.
Scary thing is...  
Milton : 11/18/2020 11:49 pm : link
This is DeGoodlookinelmo...
RE: RE: so much  
santacruzom : 11/18/2020 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15050498 5BowlsSoon said:
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.



Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?


To be fair, it's a pretty telling incident.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean it's definitely a negative  
Red Right Hand : 11/19/2020 12:18 am : link
In comment 15050775 bw in dc said:
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not a huge deal but definitely beyond "non-ideal." The Giants have had these kind of personality difficulties throughout the building for a bit now. It's worth wondering how difficult situations seem to find the Giants at a higher rate than many teams.



I don't know about this one. This seems pretty straightforward...

-- OL is struggling.
-- Judge is investing too much time helping.
-- Judge determines Colombo could use additional support.
-- So Judge turns to old coaching peer from Pats
-- Colombo over-reacts to the suggestion in a manner that leaves Judge no choice.
-- Thus, Colombo is ousted.

At least on the surface, this seems ALL on Colombo losing his professionalism and making this too personal...

Are you implying the Mara's and/or Tisch's have some sort of quarrelsome nature that pervades the organization? or maybe it's the equipment manager...have



I have no idea what you are talking about.

Not sure what part of my post you struggled to comprehend, but it shouldn't have been that challenging.
Wasn't directed at you
RE: Think the writing was on the wall ...  
Ivan15 : 11/19/2020 8:21 am : link
In comment 15050954 Manny in CA said:
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When Judge went into great detail about the blocking schemes on Monday's video presser (made me wonder if he was stepping in personally because Columbo wasn't doing his job, well enough); then he brought in Dave Guglielmo as an assistant ...

Columbo blew up, and it was over.

Dave has been around, plenty. At the Pats, he couldn't be was Dante S. was, so Bill dumped him. With the Colts he did a great job but I've read somewhere that he mistreated a player
(who was grieving a family loss (then they dumped him).

Next, he went to Miami; Flores and him mutually agreed to part ways. Judge knows him and his history; hope he can keep Dave on the rails.

+1 for you Manny
RE: RE: RE: so much  
Brown_Hornet : 11/19/2020 8:24 am : link
In comment 15050731 broadbandz said:
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for the culture. This dude is just a terrible human being.



Wow, do you base this on one incident from 6 years ago?



yeah I do. It's not even a question. A player was told he would never play and thus not be able to feed his family in the future because his brother was murdered. That is a definition of a piece of shit human. Why does this need to be explained on BBI? A bunch of you are clear sociopaths.
it “hes to be explained” because you have no idea if it’s true or not.

And regarding the patriots apparently ‘Joe was “in the building” when his tenure ended there.

I trust the Coach.
Judge anticipates everything so when he brought DeG in as consultant  
Ivan15 : 11/19/2020 8:47 am : link
He should have anticipated what Colombo’s reaction might be. I expect he didn’t really want to replace Colombo but had Plan B ready.

Considering Colombo and DeG were the top 2 candidates back in January, I’m sure he knew what he was getting with DeG, an experienced and successful but well traveled line coach, with a not-so-great skill at personal relationships.

Colombo and DeG sound like the same person but Colombo does not have the years of coaching experience and only has a couple of years of apparent success. With the information we have, I am actually a bit surprised that Colombo was hired over DeG. Maybe the tie breaker was the relationship with Garrett, although I wonder if Garrett was hired before the offensive line coach. Not sure of the timing there.

I guess in retrospect, it could have worked out better if the bye week was around week 7, but who really cares. Even with the improvement of the past few weeks, it sounds like Colombo was one and done. So DeG coaches up the line the way Judge wants it (the Patriots Way) and the Giants continue tryouts, although this time with a coach instead of a player.
RE: RE: RE: Judge seems to be a good judge of character  
Simms11 : 11/19/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 15050708 Red Right Hand said:
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...no pun intended. I'm sure he won't let Guge talk like that with our players.



Strange comment to make the day a coach on his staff gets dismissed 10 games into his tenure.

So if he brought him in on garrets say so, are you saying we should dump garret? Or Judge shouldn't have brought in any of garrets guys and accepted his voucher for them? Or are you saying JJ's judgement sucks and we should can him?


HUH?! Who said anything about canning Garrett?!
When a coach is as well-travelled at DeG  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/19/2020 8:32 pm : link
I don't think you really need to give him the benefit of the doubt. This is Judge's guy, so if it doesn't work out, as it hasn't in many other places, it falls on him.
RE: Columbo, DeGuglielmo, Scarnecchia  
AFC11 : 11/20/2020 8:35 am : link
In comment 15050425 SomeFan said:
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Three of the five families.


My youngest draft pick was forced to leave this team because of this Columbo business. All right. And I have to make arrangements to bring him back here safely, cleared of all these false charges. But I'm a superstitious man. And if some unlucky accident should befall him - if he should get a strained MCL, or if he should stub his toe in the locker room, or if he's struck by a bolt of lightning - then I'm going to blame some of the people in this room. And that I do not forgive. But that aside, let me say that I swear on the souls of my grandchildren that I will not be the one to break the peace that we've made here today.
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