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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:31 pm
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RE: Arenado  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15050544 Vanzetti said:
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Road stats (career):

Avg: 263

OPS 793


Home stats:

AVG 322

OPS 985


Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies


Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday

Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road

"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from

That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
One  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:07 pm : link
thing people don't seem to realize is since the Rockies came into existence, they have the highest home OPS in baseball and the LOWEST road OPS in baseball which tells you that it's not simply about a "Colorado invention" it's about different swings used, about different movement of pitches, in Colorado vs. other stadiums. Unless we are to accept that in 25 years of existence, the rockies "really" had the worst (again lowest OPS on the road in baseball) hitters in baseball... OR that H/R splits when it comes to Colorado aren't a great gauge... Matt Holliday and DJ LeMahieu are 2 perfect examples of the latter.
Long piece  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:10 pm : link
from 2015 about Coors Field and H/R Splits
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The  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:16 pm : link
Rockies basically see a completely different set of pitches on the home and road
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A's  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:16 pm : link
RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
RE: The  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15050580 DanMetroMan said:
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Rockies basically see a completely different set of pitches on the home and road Link - ( New Window )


Bingo. That's why some guys thrive there and some guys can do fine in both venues.

Arenado strikes me as the type who will be fine out of coors because he has contact skills. This is rudimentary and I'm sure there's a more detailed way to analyze recent splits on breaking balls vs. FB, exit velo, etc. - but the guy only K's 15% of the time for his career, has a .290 career BA, and has gotten his walk rates up to almost 10% while posting lower K rates the last couple years than his career average. That is almost on par with Cano's contact skills, with more power and perhaps a once in a generation glove.

Put that guy in this lineup and I don't have very many concerns, even if he loses 5-10 homers out of Coors.
Arenado  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 7:44 pm : link
would be the best defensive 3B to ever play for the Mets.

I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).

Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
RE: A's  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15050581 DanMetroMan said:
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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.


Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
RE: Arenado  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15050625 pjcas18 said:
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would be the best defensive 3B to ever play for the Mets.

I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).

Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.


Yeah I'd give up baty and 1 of the guys off the roster like JDD or Rosario. That'd be the max though. And I'd possibly want another cost controlled player back with Arenado. His contract isn't terrible, but it's $10m more per year than JTR and Springer are likely to get - and they cost no prospects. That's what we need to leverage because they are very viable alternatives if Colorado tries to be greedy whereas I don't believe there are going to be too many other teams buying $100m+ players this offseason.
RE: RE: A's  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15050631 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15050581 DanMetroMan said:


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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.



Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?


Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
To be fair to Cano  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 7:57 pm : link
we haven't heard his side of the story.

I mean, not to be a dick but him being suspended without pay is the 2nd best thing to happen to the Mets this month.

This scenario was never even discussed among Mets fans, but it gets Cano off the payroll for *at least* this season with no cost to get him off the payroll.

But...sometimes these guys do fail tests for innocuous inadvertent ingestion. Not saying Cano deserves the benefit of the doubt with his track record (he doesn't) or that it is likely it was inadvertent (it's not likely), but he does deserve the opportunity to explain himself.

I wonder how long the Mets have known. As I understand it they don't announce these suspensions publicly until the player and team are notified - is that right?
RE: RE: RE: A's  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15050640 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15050631 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 15050581 DanMetroMan said:


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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.



Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?



Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.


That's possible but I think he was probably already in? This is speculation but I think he's just a guy who didn't stay in good shape as he got older and was always rumored to be lazy - so my guess is he was just taking a short cut to try to remain fit enough to keep playing.
Another  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 9:41 pm : link
Take.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: A's  
jpkmets : 11/18/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15050646 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15050581 DanMetroMan said:


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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.



Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?



Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.



That's possible but I think he was probably already in? This is speculation but I think he's just a guy who didn't stay in good shape as he got older and was always rumored to be lazy - so my guess is he was just taking a short cut to try to remain fit enough to keep playing.


I don’t think he was getting in without the second violation. Really seen candidates compromised by steroid rumors, let alone suspensions. Maybe there’s a sea change happening, but if Bonds and Clemens can’t get in, I don’t see how Cano was getting in with a suspension on his ledger.
RE: Arenado  
Vanzetti : 11/18/2020 10:07 pm : link
In comment 15050625 pjcas18 said:
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would be the best defensive 3B to ever play for the Mets.

I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).

Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.



No doubt he is a good player. One of the best fielding 3B of all time.

But you should expect an .850 OPS guy.

Much better places to spend money than Arenado when you already have a decent 3B in JD.
RE: RE: Arenado  
Vanzetti : 11/18/2020 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15050566 DanMetroMan said:
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Road stats (career):

Avg: 263

OPS 793


Home stats:

AVG 322

OPS 985


Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies



Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday

Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road

"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from

That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now


Two guys hit relatively the same home and away, so it means Arenado will too? How about the 500 guys who didn't?

I do not consider  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 10:17 pm : link
JD Davis an option at 3B on a Cohen team.

Maybe he'll wind up there if he's still on the team, but that's the kind of shit that reeks of Wilpon, playing a guy out of position because you acquired him without thinking about his defense.

Davis is statistically worse at 3B than he is in the OF and he's not good at either.

he should be a DH or he should be learning 1B (which is not a need on the Mets).
BVG Special  
CowboyHaters : 11/18/2020 10:48 pm : link
Brodie has to be one of the worst baseball GM’s in recent memory. The Cano/Diaz trade was an unmitigated disaster.
Fangraphs 2021 projections for Mets with league rank  
Vanzetti : 11/18/2020 10:52 pm : link
Catcher: nido/ (25th)
First base: Alonso / Smith (5th)
Second base: McNeil / Guillorme / Giménez (6th)
Shortstop: Giménez / Rosario (21st)
Third base: Davis / McNeil (13th)
Left field: Smith / McNeil (15th)
Center field: Brandon Nimmo (8th)
Right field: Michael Conforto (5th)


So, if you go by these projections, catcher and SS are the two positions that need most to be addressed. Realmuto and Lindor?

Interesting that CF is really not a need, at least based on WAR.
RE: RE: RE: Arenado  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15050881 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 15050566 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 15050544 Vanzetti said:


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Road stats (career):

Avg: 263

OPS 793


Home stats:

AVG 322

OPS 985


Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies



Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday

Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road

"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from

That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now



Two guys hit relatively the same home and away, so it means Arenado will too? How about the 500 guys who didn't?


So you skipped both articles I posted about and and this is your retort? Fine you’re right. Potential future HOF 3B Nolan Arenado is a Colorado product.. based on H/R splits.
Nolan A.  
csb : 11/19/2020 8:10 am : link
What would it take to get him? I assume the asking price is less than half of the ask for Lindor given what is owed to him.
I don't want Arenado  
CMicks3110 : 11/19/2020 8:14 am : link
his home/road splits are inauspicious, he signed for 6 more years at a very high price, he could opt out after this season. If the Mets do want to trade for him, I would expect another piece back, maybe German Marquez or Kyle Freeland if they want anything of value.

I also don't want to give up JD Davis. I think depth is a huge part of success and having a bat like JD around helps us ride out injuries that are almost certain to happen.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:30 am : link
absolutely move Davis.He's a poor fielder and they have 2 better 1b/DH on the roster. Someone like Profar is a much better depth option. He can play every position on the field.
JD Davis  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:33 am : link
was tied for the worst 3b in baseball by OAA. It's a cumulative stat so despite not a ton of time there he was still -3. So he's unplayable at 3b. He's not someone you can put in late for defense in the OF, nor is he better than Alonso or Dom. So where is his value this roster? He's a trade chip, he and Rosario are their 2 best trade chips without pillaging the minors
The  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:35 am : link
Mets need more versatility and less poor fielders out of position.

Springer should be CF, Nimmo LF, Dom at 1b, McNeil 2b, bring in a real 3b (even Profar paired with someone else).
If  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:39 am : link
they strike out on Springer, Bader would be worth looking into, Buxton (but I highly doubt the Twins move him now), I'd also call about Merrifield though the price might be too high. He's a very nice player
Chernoff to interview for Mets job  
CMicks3110 : 11/19/2020 11:43 am : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
· 57s
Sources: Mike Chernoff will formally interview for #Mets president of baseball operations job. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Chernoff to interview for Mets job  
CMicks3110 : 11/19/2020 11:43 am : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
· 57s
Sources: Mike Chernoff will formally interview for #Mets president of baseball operations job. @MLBNetwork @MLB
him and Bobby Heck might make a good tandom  
CMicks3110 : 11/19/2020 11:44 am : link
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ZIPS  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:44 am : link
has Merrifield at .284/.330/.428 55 extra base hits, 20 steals 2.3 fWAR

Profar .248/.333/.431 45 extra base hits, 7 steals 1.9 fWAR (128 games)

Davis .262/.321/.464 45 extra base hits 0.7 fWAR (126 games)

Buxton .243/.302/.442 38 extra base hits 14 steals 2.0 fWAR (only 103 games)

Heck  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:45 am : link
drafted Springer so hopefully, that would help us reel him in
Nimmo vs. JDD is an interesting discussion for LF  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 11:45 am : link
they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.

Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.

At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.

If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.

So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
RE: Chernoff to interview for Mets job  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 15051296 CMicks3110 said:
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Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
· 57s
Sources: Mike Chernoff will formally interview for #Mets president of baseball operations job. @MLBNetwork @MLB


Not sure this happens if he isn't the guy. Guess we will see but I expect this is our new president.
Chernoff  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:49 am : link
has been high on their list for years, Cohen wanted Heck considered over Brodie. It would be a surprise if that's not the combo.
RE: Nimmo vs. JDD is an interesting discussion for LF  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 11:53 am : link
In comment 15051301 Eric on Li said:
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they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.

Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.

At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.

If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.

So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.


Nimmo is a MUCH better fielder. Davis was -7 OAA in LF in 2019, that's unplayable, Nimmo was +1 in LF in 2019
RE: Chernoff  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 15051307 DanMetroMan said:
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has been high on their list for years, Cohen wanted Heck considered over Brodie. It would be a surprise if that's not the combo.


Agreed. Interesting story btw about Chernoff here - apparently a couple years ago he'd been trying to extend Lindor early. Right around the same time he turned down the Mets interview because of the Wilpons.

Perhaps 2 years later he's able to close the deal on both.
Did Indians GM's adorable son leak news of a possible Lindor extension on the radio? - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Nimmo vs. JDD is an interesting discussion for LF  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 11:56 am : link
In comment 15051310 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15051301 Eric on Li said:


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they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.

Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.

At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.

If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.

So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.



Nimmo is a MUCH better fielder. Davis was -7 OAA in LF in 2019, that's unplayable, Nimmo was +1 in LF in 2019


No question but if I recall JDD hadn't ever consistently played LF before (even in the minors) so I'd expect he might be able to improve closer to playable given the chance.
Cohen oddly  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 12:13 pm : link
Just tweeted out “not that I’m aware of” in regard to Chernoff but maybe he’s either playing dumb for Chernoff’s sake or playing up the fact he’s hands off
Cohen  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 12:18 pm : link
Not that I’m aware of, wrong again
JDD is a DH on my team  
pjcas18 : 11/19/2020 12:22 pm : link
he is not a legitimate fielder.

I guess maybe PH like Rusty Staub late in his career.

He is almost equally bad in OF as he is at 3B, but 3B generally you get more chances and it's supposedly his natural position.

Davis:
Career at 3B: 770 innings (so roughly half a season and 152 plays) and -19 DRS

Carrer in OF: 663 innings and 75 plays and -12 DRS

Nimmo:
Nimmo's career in the OF 2481 innings and 426 plays and -10 DRS - so basically MUCH better than JD Davis.

And if you remove the -14 DRS from CF Nimmo is not a liability AT ALL, he's a plus defender if a >0 DRS makes you a plus defender.

that's if you trust DRS...
RE: JDD is a DH on my team  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 15051346 pjcas18 said:
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he is not a legitimate fielder.

I guess maybe PH like Rusty Staub late in his career.

He is almost equally bad in OF as he is at 3B, but 3B generally you get more chances and it's supposedly his natural position.

Davis:
Career at 3B: 770 innings (so roughly half a season and 152 plays) and -19 DRS

Carrer in OF: 663 innings and 75 plays and -12 DRS

Nimmo:
Nimmo's career in the OF 2481 innings and 426 plays and -10 DRS - so basically MUCH better than JD Davis.

And if you remove the -14 DRS from CF Nimmo is not a liability AT ALL, he's a plus defender if a >0 DRS makes you a plus defender.

that's if you trust DRS...


OAA says essentially the same about both players FWIW
the only thing missing from that context is those 663 OF innings  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 12:35 pm : link
are basically JDD's only innings playing in the OF at any level even going back to HS and CBB. In the literal 15+ years since little league the guy has played less than 1 of those seasons as an OF'er and preparing for that.

We saw some improvement from him at 3b this past year and he has a big arm. Not unlike Conforto he had a multi-sport background so he's got some athleticism. Scouts say fielding is considered to be the tool that can be most improved as a professional with practice. If allowed to focus full time on LF I'd almost guarantee there would be improvement it's just a question of how much.
I believe players  
pjcas18 : 11/19/2020 12:44 pm : link
can improve their D to an extent - like Wade Boggs - he worked his ass off. but that was not a new position (though he did move off SS early in his development) - he didn't learn a new position in his late 20's. Jeter too - he improved his D to an extent.

I'm not sure Davis will ever be an adequate defender - so I won't say never - but he's not now and I would be hesitant to make transactions that would force the team to rely on him day in day out as a regular fielder.

This is just my preference. I would build my team based on defense and pitching. You need offense so I wouldn't obviously ignore it, but to be a lineup regular on my team defense cannot be square peg in round hole.
RE: I believe players  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15051366 pjcas18 said:
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can improve their D to an extent - like Wade Boggs - he worked his ass off. but that was not a new position (though he did move off SS early in his development) - he didn't learn a new position in his late 20's. Jeter too - he improved his D to an extent.

I'm not sure Davis will ever be an adequate defender - so I won't say never - but he's not now and I would be hesitant to make transactions that would force the team to rely on him day in day out as a regular fielder.

This is just my preference. I would build my team based on defense and pitching. You need offense so I wouldn't obviously ignore it, but to be a lineup regular on my team defense cannot be square peg in round hole.


No disagreement there. Like I said I'd choose Nimmo over JDD for LF primarily because of defense.

I just wouldn't completely write-off JDD because he has legitimate talent as a hitter. Enough that I'd be willing to give him a chance at a low impact defensive position because at worst he is a very valuable bat off the bench.
Gary Sanchez  
sshin05 : 11/19/2020 1:43 pm : link
since his value is pretty low at the moment, you think he's a good buy-low candidate?
Chernoff  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 1:44 pm : link
May not interview per Martino
RE: Gary Sanchez  
DanMetroMan : 11/19/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15051436 sshin05 said:
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since his value is pretty low at the moment, you think he's a good buy-low candidate?


He’s a 1B/DH. A team with a need there could give him a look, not us
What is wrong with these beat writees  
CMicks3110 : 11/19/2020 2:46 pm : link
Sending mixed messages about Chernoff
RE: What is wrong with these beat writees  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15051502 CMicks3110 said:
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Sending mixed messages about Chernoff


Just a guess but he has accepted an interview or considering it (hasn't rejected it) but also hasn't interviewed yet (which is what Cohen called BS on).

In other words things are happening but nothing is confirmed yet. There's no way to describe things accurately before they happen it just doesn't stop some reporters from trying.
Chernoff  
DanMetroMan : 11/20/2020 12:37 pm : link
has opted not to speak to the Mets.
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