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NFT: Cano suspended for ENTIRE 2021 season (forfeits salary)

DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:31 pm
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:32 pm : link
20 million for @Mets to work with, McNeil slides over to 2b
Now go get Aerenado  
figgy2989 : 11/18/2020 3:33 pm : link
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Well, that probably explains why he had a good season this year, haha  
speedywheels : 11/18/2020 3:34 pm : link
Total blessing for the Mets - now have $20 million to play with and takes him out of the 2B carousel
there goes any shot he had at Canton  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2020 3:34 pm : link
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RE: Well, that probably explains why he had a good season this year, haha  
KDavies : 11/18/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15050313 speedywheels said:
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Total blessing for the Mets - now have $20 million to play with and takes him out of the 2B carousel


Agreed. If only they could get out of the other two years of his contract...

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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:37 pm : link
Hate to say it but... it's not a huge loss. 20 million off the books, McNeil likely better at 2b than 3b. On paper Davis likely the starting 3b (or Gimenez/Rosario up the middle) but figure they will add someone. It's risky, but I've seen some places suggest Ha-seong Kim can handle 3B, he's intriguing , obviously Arenado also out there.
Brodie is such a dunce  
figgy2989 : 11/18/2020 3:37 pm : link
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Do Mets still owe another year ?  
averagejoe : 11/18/2020 3:38 pm : link
Or does this finish contract ?
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Mike in NY : 11/18/2020 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15050306 DanMetroMan said:
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20 million for @Mets to work with, McNeil slides over to 2b


Or it allows a way to keep Rosario and Gimenez in the line-up at one time.
A  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:38 pm : link
Darvish/Bryant combo also a possibility
RE: Do Mets still owe another year ?  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15050323 averagejoe said:
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Or does this finish contract ?


2 more after this one.. yeah... quite the trade lol
blessing in disguise (maybe not even in disguise)  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 3:39 pm : link
if the Wilpons were still the owners i'd be theorizing they slipped something in his food just to save the money.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15050325 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15050306 DanMetroMan said:


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20 million for @Mets to work with, McNeil slides over to 2b



Or it allows a way to keep Rosario and Gimenez in the line-up at one time.


Find it hard to believe Rosario, given the season he had is being penciled into the starting lineup at a position he's never played before. More likely McNeil slides over to 2b.
RE: Do Mets still owe another year ?  
Jim in Fairfax : 11/18/2020 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15050323 averagejoe said:
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Or does this finish contract ?

TWO more years (thru 2023)
Nothing against Cano, but for the Mets, that's addition by subtraction  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2020 3:40 pm : link
Without Cano at 2B, the logjam breaks up. McNeill doesn't have to compete for playing time at a corner outfield spot, or at 3B.

And getting Cano's salary off the books is a blessing, considering that contract was un-tradeable.
Any chance  
JB_in_DC : 11/18/2020 3:43 pm : link
a suspension breaks his contract?

Crazy - this guy was a shoe-in for Cooperstown without these two suspensions.
Now if the NL adopts the DH  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 3:43 pm : link
it works out perfectly.

Alonso to DH, Dom to 1B, Gimenez, Rosario and McNeil 2B/SS/3B or someone like Arenado/Bryant at 3B (if they decide to make a trade).

OF of Conforto, Springer (FA signing) and Nimmo

defensive catcher

Add Bauer or another SP2 (Darvish?), and a BP arm and let's roll.

not much wish list in there, lol
Potential 3b options  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:43 pm : link
Bryant, Kim, Arenado, LeMahieu, Turner, , La Stella, Profar
Arenado - Gimenez - McNeil - Smith would be quite the IF defense  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 3:46 pm : link
think that's what I'm rooting for.

Won't complain about McNeil - Lindor - Gimenez - Smith either.

Man, what a lucky break with Cano.
The Wilpon curse is gone!  
Everyone Relax : 11/18/2020 3:48 pm : link
His bat was a plus, but pretty sure I'd rather have that extra $20m to spend. Wouldn't be surprised if Cohen sent someone to inject PEDs into Robbie in his sleep.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 3:51 pm : link
2b options include Wong, Kike Hernandez, LeMahieu, La Stella

The Mets now are roughly 74 million under the luxury tax threshold meaning they can pretty comfortably at least 2 big salaries if not 3.
Makes the trade even worse  
Knineteen : 11/18/2020 3:56 pm : link
What the hell are they going to do with a 40 year old player making $20+ mil/year coming off an entire year suspension? Why even bother with drugs at this point? Suck the next 3 years and take your money; there's no contract after this one.
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pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15050359 DanMetroMan said:
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2b options include Wong, Kike Hernandez, LeMahieu, La Stella

The Mets now are roughly 74 million under the luxury tax threshold meaning they can pretty comfortably at least 2 big salaries if not 3.


and of course McNeil, which many people feel is his most natural position.
Wow  
Trainmaster : 11/18/2020 3:59 pm : link
I ignored NFT and read this as Gano.
Uncle  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:03 pm : link
Stevie, bring the Mets their Rolen. Thank You
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Agree with the thinking here...  
dannysection 313 : 11/18/2020 4:03 pm : link
McNeil to 2nd, which is fine, Cano loses his salary, which frees up a ton of $ for the Mets (20 million?) and the likelihood of his duplicating his 2020 numbers for 150ish games without injury were not huge.

There goes his HOF chances...

Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time...

One door closes, another opens...
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:07 pm : link
suspect the Mets will buy Cano out after 2021. He's clearly a loser. Move on.


Nolan Arenado (shoulder issue and all)....15 DRS in 2020...15...48 games... 15 runs saved. +7 OAA, complete monster at 3b
Nail in the coffin  
moze1021 : 11/18/2020 4:09 pm : link
on the historically bad trade

LeMahieu would be a nice fit here  
Metnut : 11/18/2020 4:09 pm : link
Mets should make a strong bid for him. No one can outbid us if Sandy truly wants him.
Arenado  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
and Lindor or even Arenado and Gimenez would be a ++ left side of the infield. Top of the league caliber.
RE: LeMahieu would be a nice fit here  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15050389 Metnut said:
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Mets should make a strong bid for him. No one can outbid us if Sandy truly wants him.


Very limited 3b experience, might not be the ideal fit if they prefer moving McNeil to 2b.
LeMahieu  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:16 pm : link
has 82 career starts at 3b over 10 MLB seasons. Not saying I wouldn't look into him but he's really not a 3b.
RE: blessing in disguise (maybe not even in disguise)  
Spider43 : 11/18/2020 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15050329 Eric on Li said:
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if the Wilpons were still the owners i'd be theorizing they slipped something in his food just to save the money.


LOL!

Yeesh though...
RE: LeMahieu  
Metnut : 11/18/2020 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15050396 DanMetroMan said:
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has 82 career starts at 3b over 10 MLB seasons. Not saying I wouldn't look into him but he's really not a 3b.


Play him at 2B and McNeil at 3B. Trade Gimenez plus for Lindor. Sign Realmuto. Best Mets IF since 99.
RE: RE: LeMahieu  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15050422 Metnut said:
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In comment 15050396 DanMetroMan said:


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has 82 career starts at 3b over 10 MLB seasons. Not saying I wouldn't look into him but he's really not a 3b.



Play him at 2B and McNeil at 3B. Trade Gimenez plus for Lindor. Sign Realmuto. Best Mets IF since 99.


Not that I'm against such a plan but I suspect they will look to move McNeil to 2b and keep him there long-term. It was only 9 games but McNeil really struggled (I'd personally be fine with him at 3b) but his arm will always be? They should look into Arenado as the Rockies will want out from his salary. He's one of the best defensive 3b ever.
I looked into Statcast  
JB_in_DC : 11/18/2020 4:39 pm : link
Outs Above Average numbers. Since 2017 (the starting point of when they measure) - Mets rank 2nd to last in Infield Outs Above Average at -44. Only the Yankees have been worse by this measure. Mets are 3rd to last in OAA for all positions in the same timespan.

Also worth noting that Arenado has been first in OAA since 2018 at 3rd, and Gimenez was 2nd in shortstop OAA in the short 2020 season. McNeil was 15th in 2nd Base OAA the last time he played there consistently in 2018 (short season for him, too) - the fact that he's been moved around likely makes this a little less useful.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 4:55 pm : link
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Suspensions resulting in the forfeiture of salary are considered a "special covenant" to the Uniform Player Contract....which do result in the removal of said salary from the Competitive Balance Tax Payroll calculation.
Really a good potential  
jpkmets : 11/18/2020 4:57 pm : link
opportunity!

Move on to another, better option!
Apparently he stopped by a local burger joint here in Babylon  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 11/18/2020 5:01 pm : link
They posted a picture of him with the owners on FB. The comments are gold.

So  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:10 pm : link
the Mets are about 69.4 million under the lux tax. Which means they can likely sign add 2 "BIG" salaries and then fill the holes around them. Hypothetically Bauer/Springer for say 46 million in new salary for 2021, leaving them 23 million for C, bullpen etc.
I suspect we get at least 1 big signing and 1 big $ add via trade  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 5:19 pm : link
and there could be multiple of both. I think they are going to really work the trade market to extra some prospects in return for salary relief to replenish the damage BVW and the Wilpons did the past couple years.

Lindor, Arenado, Cain, Yu all seem like trade possibilities (obviously at various trade costs).
JTR, Springer, Bauer all FA possibilities.

Hopefully Sandy does a good job choosing the right guy to choose the right guys.
RE: there goes any shot he had at Canton  
Carson53 : 11/18/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15050314 Greg from LI said:
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I would agree with that, 2nd time he has got 'popped'
for PED's.
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DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:20 pm : link
the record a writer told me that he's heard from a few sources that Cohen vowed to stay under the luxury tax. Now he may eventually go over, but I find it very hard to believe it will be this year. 69.4 million is more than enough to work with.
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Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15050491 DanMetroMan said:
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the record a writer told me that he's heard from a few sources that Cohen vowed to stay under the luxury tax. Now he may eventually go over, but I find it very hard to believe it will be this year. 69.4 million is more than enough to work with.


Agreed - exceeding it this year just isn't necessary.

They could get JTR (25), Hand (8), and maybe a salary dump like Cain (17) and still have almost $20m left to spend on SP. And that's before they ship out any salary - even if it's a smaller salary like Rosario or JDD.

That's sort of the base level offseason I'm expecting. More than that seems overly optimistic and anything less than that would be surprisingly light.
Just spitballing, hopefully someone picks it up  
Shecky : 11/18/2020 5:35 pm : link
2nd suspension is not for a “season”
Wonder how it affects him if they only get in 100 games this season, or something like that...
RE: Just spitballing, hopefully someone picks it up  
Eric on Li : 11/18/2020 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15050503 Shecky said:
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2nd suspension is not for a “season”
Wonder how it affects him if they only get in 100 games this season, or something like that...


I think they were going to ship him out this offseason anyway as dead salary in return for someone else's salary problem - so that's what I'd still predict. Now there's just less salary to ship out.

I'm pretty confident that the use of Cohen's $ Sandy would be most excited to utilize is getting rid of the mess he inherited from BVW.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 11/18/2020 5:43 pm : link
a note, since it's been SO long since we worried about things like lux tax, backloading does NOT help with the lux tax.
RE: Just spitballing, hopefully someone picks it up  
pjcas18 : 11/18/2020 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15050503 Shecky said:
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2nd suspension is not for a “season”
Wonder how it affects him if they only get in 100 games this season, or something like that...


You mean the "162 games" vs "a season"?
RE: Apparently he stopped by a local burger joint here in Babylon  
averagejoe : 11/18/2020 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15050461 Gary from The East End said:
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They posted a picture of him with the owners on FB. The comments are gold.


Burger Bar ?
When was his first suspension? I can’t remember if it was  
bhill410 : 11/18/2020 5:57 pm : link
Before or after Seattle contract. I ask because if it was prior, there very well could be language in that contract that a PED suspension is a breach and voids remainder of contract. Not sure if players union allows those clauses or not but seems like something a team would certainly try to include if there was a history.
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